Jameis Watch: No Nightlife Concerns
February 15th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Joe knows the Jameis Winston haters always try to invoke the name of Johnny Football into their diatribes. They say Johnny Football is a reason for the Bucs to steer clear of Winston. Joe thinks this is a totally apples and oranges argument.
(Yes, Joe is still on the bandwagon for Johnny. The dude came to grips he needs help. How is that a bad thing? And no, Joe isn’t some animal who would throw the kid overboard after six quarters of play — six! If the Bucs draft a quarterback, then Joe sincerely hopes those same mongrels who have already closed the book on Johnny Football give the new Bucs quarterback just a little more patience, huh?)
Winston’s “problems” are a few juvenile stunts. Johnny got caught in a whirlwind of partying, nightlife and hanging with celebrities.
Appearing on the “Opening Drive” with Ross Tucker and Booger McFarland last week, heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times made it clear Winston is not Johnny Football in so many ways.
“Here are the things that got people worried about Johnny Manziel: Alcohol and drugs, OK? Running around at night. Likes the party life. You know what, you don’t hear that with Jameis Winston. You just don’t,” Stroud said.
“It’s not the red flag you get about preparation, is he serious about football, does he love football or does he love what it brings him?”
Stroud also mentioned how Josh Freeman was considered an Eagle Scout when he came out of Kansas State, and look how he folded mentally.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
No Worries. Money always helps someone act mature.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Where was it that Jameis met the “alleged” victim?
Was he even 21?
February 15th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
And where did Winston meet his alleged Rape victim? In a Bar
February 15th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Beware all females and squirrels in Ybor City…
February 15th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
I saw those new pictures of Winston and that sure looked like a beer belly to me
February 15th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Jameis The Rapist Winston will be a regular at Mons Venus. I wonder, can you legally rape a stripper?
February 15th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Can someone help me out?:
what was the name of that young emerging TE the Bucs played midway through the season?
He looked relative tall, had very good hands.. Seemed like a great find
+Realy, i dont understand that IF the Bucs are going to select a QB, why they would wait instead of already giving them a head start (despite no contract, they certainly could make things happen in terms of handling them a playbook.. i dont think thats that hard.. – nothing wrong with players spending free-time together 😉 NFL couldn´t fine them for anything..)
+ if the Bucs are still unsecure about which QB to choose – that again shows lack of profesionalism on their part..
>>> are they looking hard at trade posssibilitys? Pretty sure there are some hefty descussions and offers…
February 15th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Bucs would be totally insane to draft this guy. Just a punk and nothing else
February 15th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
A few juvenile stunts? Rape really thats juvenile? You don’t have to keep trying to sell him to poeple that wanna vomit when thinking about the hunting ground in a bucs uniform. We all know FSU saved him from wearing stripes. Why don’t you post that he looks fifty pounds over wieght. Russell 2.0 plus the rape and the other stunts plus the movie release coming up. he should not be a top pick he will be a bust if he keeps out of jail. I have yet to see a woman that likes the hunting ground
February 15th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
” You know what, you don’t hear that with Jameis Winston. You just don’t,” Stroud said.
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Well mr. Stroud you should just take your shoe off shove it in your mouth and smile at the Camera
As Jeff Foxworthy would say…….”Here’s Your Sign”
February 15th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Manziel will always be different and I’m surprised that people haven’t figured out why. Partying is a part of it but it’s a bigger (and more obvious) issue at play.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
Joe…it is not that there are Jameis “haters”….rather folks here that rebel against biased Jameis stories crammed down their throats everyday, on top of what you did last year with Johnny Rehab…
February 15th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Wasting the first pick on this guy will be a disaster that will resonate for years. Hey, I am not sold on Mariota and if the Bucs aren’t either then they should trade down. Another option would be taking a QB in the second round where they have the first pick. Winston has serious maturity problems.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
I just found Jameis Winston’s new lawyer
http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/just-because-you-did-it-doesnt-mean-youre-guilty-greensboro-nc-wilmingtoncraigslistorgrnr4827485121html.jpg
February 15th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
He didn’t rape her ya dumb shi**! Do some research or shut your traps.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
No story on the fat photo? Lame.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
bucrightoff Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 1:21 pmManziel will always be different and I’m surprised that people haven’t figured out why. Partying is a part of it but it’s a bigger (and more obvious) issue at play.
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Yeah it is that he sucks. Like you could not see that comming. Well the Browns didn’t. Thank God the Bucs stayed away from him.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Tampa is filled with some of the dumbest, most conservative and judgmental nincompoops of any major city in the US.
The kid wasn’t even charged!
And I graduated UF, I’m born to hate Seminoles.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
JW is still a HUGE risk. Neither he or MM worth the #1 overall pick!
February 15th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
Kaput, I’m a Nole and I know this guy is dirty. I’m glad to see him leaving. Let him go and be someone else’s problem
February 15th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
The Manziel / Winston argument, as it pertains to the hyping of a QB on this site is an excellent one. Joe latched onto Johnny Football, and while technically the jury is still out, it doesn’t look good. The Browns are allegedly hot to trade up to replace him, he was awful in the games he played in, didn’t take being an NFL QB seriously, and now he’s in rehab.
The symptoms might not be identical, but the sickness is – namely, immaturity. That’s something Winston has plenty of.
Winston may or may not head out to the club, or he may or may not pour his whole being into football – the problem is that we simply don’t know.
Mariota or Winston can bust on the field – plenty of pro-style prospects have come along and failed to live up to the hype. But Winston has two ways he can bust, on or of the field. Mariota only has one.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Joe, do you not realize when your “Jameis watch’s” have in the title, no nightlife concerns here, no leadership concerns there, no character concerns here, no weight concerns there, that you are actually showing all your concerns yourself and only reaffirming ours? Thank you for proving everyone’s point on your own.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
It isn’t the partying….and it’s not about the drugs & alcohol….it’s what drives people to them that is the problem…..and a person can make foolish mistakes when completely sober.
My problem with both Manziel & Winston is their failure to think first before acting….neither seems to care.
Even if Winston isn’t guilty of rape….even if it was a totally false accusation…..for him to later publicly disrespect women in a very open & vulgar fashion shows little concern over public image….the very image he will have to protect going forward. Money added to that could spell disaster…..
February 15th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
Rob, what you said. TOTALLY agree!
February 15th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
I become dumber and dumber every time I read people’s comments. JBF should just turn that function off…
February 15th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Who….3 really profound posts in a row !
February 15th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
deacon, maybe it’s you, not everyone else! Just saying….
February 15th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
Wow
February 15th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
NuckinFutz Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
Kaput, I’m a Nole and I know this guy is dirty. I’m glad to see him leaving. Let him go and be someone else’s problem
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Winston’s innocence or guilt aside, Kudos to you sir for not being a homer.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Funny how ppl act like they never did anything irresponsible when they was 20.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo wonders about Winston’s squinting (see article pic). Pablo wonders if it is a sight problem or if Winston just has to take a giant mierda because this is the kind of face Pablo makes when he has the cocaladas after too many nasty burritos.
Pablo also thinks it could be gas”
February 15th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
I did numerous irresponsible things when I was 20, and they all pointed out the fact that I was not cut out to be in the top 1% of the world.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
LOL TBBF keeping Pablo alive
February 15th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Sanchez rape case.
Met her at a bar. Had sex after. She said rape. He said consensual. Rape kit inconclusive.
Due to insufficient corroborating evidence no charges. Decision within two months.
Just about identical to the Winston case except in Sanchez the girl didnt change her sto er y several times and Sanchez didnt have witnesses confirming his story.
Not s peep about it. No outcry about cover up.just a normal investigation as is commonly done in these cases across the country.
No outcry????????
No agenda back then.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Knuckledragger, I wish that I could say he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread being a Nole, however it is what it is and there’s plenty of us (Noles) that know it
February 15th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
It amazes me the amount of hate people have towards Jameis. Try reading all the comments on a Winston PFT article or any other site. All you see is extremely negative comments on the kid. Constant unoriginal Jamarcus Russell 2.0 remarks and judgemental comments. All these trolls will disappear when jameis is a star in the NFL. I just hope it’s for the Bucs.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Dem ,I did totally stupid stuff at 20 and still do today. I’m not judging him, just don’t want to spend the most valuable pick in the draft on him
February 15th, 2015 at 2:40 pm
Fish, why is expressing concern about spending the number pick on someone with a history hating. Many of us don’t hate him at all. I like him and his talent. But think the number 1 pick is too much based on the risk he presents.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
I like Pablo
February 15th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Eric here’s the difference with Sanchez and the others you sited. The bucks were not THE suitors for them as they are Winston. Stop the comparisons, it stupid
February 15th, 2015 at 2:45 pm
Fishfries : Exactly! Soon the trolls will disappear.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
My question is to Joe and other Buccs fans is….if we draft Jameis, are they Jameis haters going to go all Glennon Mob when he struggles, and he will struggle. Will Buccs fans actually be patient for a change? I’d personally would rather draft Jameis, but even if we draft Mariota, I’m going to give three full seasons at least to try and develop before throwing our qb in the trash heap.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
@ Bucnut2
Exactly. When you are coming off of 4-12 and 2-14 you do not take a chance, a risk or a gamble with the #1 pick that you “earned”. You have to do the smartest, most safe thing. Risks and gambles keep you at 2-14. And Winston is the biggest risk and gamble in this draft
February 15th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Mr Patrick…Jameis went to a bar?
Oh the horror.
Mons Venus is in Tampa….oh nooooooooo!! smh
You people are becoming lamer by the dya
February 15th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
@NukinFutz
Pablo likes you…..but not in that way…..Pablo likes all Buc Fans…but that shouldn’t diminish(big word for Pablo) Pablo’s like for NukinFttz…..Pablo likes that name too!!!”
February 15th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
@ feel & yeah
The hero worshipping man crash Winston groupies are the biggest trolls on here. They all try to discredit anything that anybody says with 16 year old comments that make them look really stupid
February 15th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Here are some categories for Winston
Lovers……87, Joe
Supporters/Apologists
Supporters (purely Football skills)
No Opinion (very, very few)
Skeptics
Non-supporters
Haters
I think the bulk of us fall inbetween Lovers & Haters.
I am a Skeptic….but I choose to reserve final judgement until all the facts are in and Bucs finish discernment.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
OOOOPS, Looks like 87 has his daily case of Winston Wood. Everybody watch out!
February 15th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Lol The closer we get to the draft the more hatred fills the comments over the dumbest stuff. Now Jameis is fat. LMAO. The haters are scared… It’s almost time for Jameis to be crowned #1 overall draft pics to the Bucs.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Bucnut2, I totally understand a fans concern. Beleive me, I was somewhat concerned myself when the reports initiatially came out. And I will admit he’s used bad judgment in college. But I did a lot of research on the kid and came away very impressed. His coaches and his teamates absolutely loved him in high school and college. He loves kids and goes out of his way to mentor them. He’s a known gym rat and loves watching tape. He’s a natural at motivating his team and blocking out distractions. His footbal IQ is tremendous. That to me is what impresses me the most about him. All the cons on him are very coachable. The kid has an aggressive personality and that has led to his “college” mistakes. All you can do for him is put a solid and positive foundation around him and let him grow with the team. As far as I’m concerned there’s no other sure thing sitting there for us.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Beer belly Winston!! I hope the Bucs kept fat Albert Haynesworth’s game gear cuz I think Jameis may need to borrow it hahaha
February 15th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
87, was that bar named “The Hunting Ground”?
February 15th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
@ Bucnut2
Exactly. When you are coming off of 4-12 and 2-14 you do not take a chance, a risk or a gamble with the #1 pick that you “earned”. You have to do the smartest, most safe thing. Risks and gambles keep you at 2-14. And Winston is the biggest risk and gamble in this draft
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The bigger risk is gambling on a guy that hasn’t shown that he can do the things on the field that will be asked of him at the next level. I agree you don’t risk the #1 pick that you earned on a guy like that.that
February 15th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Oh he’s fat lol. Are you guys looking for a boyfriend or a QB?
February 15th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Jameis is Famous alright, he was the star of the show at the all you can eat crab legs feast the other night! That boy has got an arm! You should see how fast he was throwing those crab legs in and out of that butter dipping sauce! Dude has nice form.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
A few juvenile stunts? Rape really thats juvenile? You don’t have to keep trying to sell him to poeple that wanna vomit when thinking about the hunting ground in a bucs uniform. We all know FSU saved him from wearing stripes. Why don’t you post that he looks fifty pounds over wieght. Russell 2.0 plus the rape and the other stunts plus the movie release coming up. he should not be a top pick he will be a bust if he keeps out of jail. I have yet to see a woman that likes the hunting ground
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You just won’t let it go. Regardless of the lack of evidence or the word of the other 2 guys that were also in the room that night you just insist that you know the truth smh.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
He has not been found guilty of rape: true. He has not been found innocent either.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
@ Waterboy
Exactly That’s why I’ve been saying all along that Bucs should draft Leonard Williams who is the best player in this draft.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
patrick, supersam
where are your pics? you keep running your pieholes disparaging a young man who has done nothing to you. why so jealous of a young superstar qb? you don’t need to keep your agenda secret, do you?
February 15th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
Somewhere Jared Lorenzen is laughing his backside off
February 15th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Don’t worry my young 16 year old friend. It’s clear to all of us what your agenda is
February 15th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
@ Waterboy
Exactly That’s why I’ve been saying all along that Bucs should draft Leonard Williams who is the best player in this draft.
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I like Williams too he’s a beast but a DE won’t help make them a playoff contender (look at JJ Watt). Even if they had a young Julius Peppers on the team right now they would still be bad without a QB. It’s not often that you have an opportunity to take the best QB in a draft and IMO you have roll the dice on one of the 2 and obviously my preference is Winston.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
ahhhhh posting as someone else again, huh
February 15th, 2015 at 3:25 pm
from thebiglead:
“Jameis Winston looks … fat? Out of shape? Photos can be deceptive, but this one popped up on twitter Saturday and quickly made the rounds. Its provenance was unknown, so I checked in with QB guru George Whitfield, who is currently coaching the Florida State QB, to see if a) it was Winston, and b) if it was recent.
“The photo of Jameis was taken in early-mid January,” Whitfield said by phone. “If people are saying he looks out of shape – well, did they notice he had the leash tight around his waist? That may have had something to do with it,” he laughed. “Jameis is in shape and doing great. Anyone saying he’s out of shape, they can check him out at the Combine this week.”
February 15th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
and you all say you don’t hate! smh
sad little people you all are. and are any going to apologize?
February 15th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
what are you holier than thou judgmental hypocrites going to cry about when Jameis is a star winning games in the league while Lovie and Glennon are out of the leage in 2 years or less.
all you haters need to stay in your CLOSET when Jameis is winning games for the bucs…
Draft Jameis! Fire Lovie. Save the Bucs!
February 15th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 15th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@ Lurker
Don’t worry my young 16 year old friend. It’s clear to all of us what your agenda is
February 15th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
“He has not been found innocent either.”
yes, yes he has. it is “innocent until proven guilty.” smh
sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda. you don’t like it, change the court system and our laws!
February 15th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
@Patrick
Here is one for you, Jason Pierre-Paul (age 26 and went to college in the area) is a free agent this year. Sign him and solve the DE problem but they still need to draft a QB. Greg Hardy will also be available and may be a slightly cheaper option.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
Oh lord let’s hope they don’t have an open snack bar with white women running it, or Winston is in serious trouble.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
@ Waterboy
There is a very good chance that the Bucs will not be sold on either one of these QB’s so they have to look at all other options.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
Couch Fan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
“Lol The closer we get to the draft the more hatred fills the comments over the dumbest stuff. Now Jameis is fat. LMAO. The haters are scared… It’s almost time for Jameis to be crowned #1 overall draft pics to the Bucs.”
Let’s hope they come out and say it already so these idiots will go away or just stfu either one.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
funny how you post with my name patrick. you poor little man.
ps what does age have to do with you being wrong, manipulative, spiteful, defaming, and deceitful?
February 15th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Supersam Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
Oh lord let’s hope they don’t have an open snack bar with white women running it, or Winston is in serious trouble.
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Lol, that one was actually pretty good!
February 15th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Waterboy Says
Pierre-Paul is not the answer. Do some research please. He quits on plays and is very, very inconsistent. No way he fixes the bucs DE problems. Grant it, he has moments when he is great but he has far to many lapses to bet the farm on.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
@ Waterboy
Those guys are both really good players and Bucs know they have to get a better pass rush. Lovie said at the end of the season that he still doesn’t have all of the horses he needs to run his defense
February 15th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
@ Lurker
Showing your age again kid
February 15th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Cleveland should be called as every time I see that picture it looks like Jamarcus Winston is trying to take the Browns to the Superbowl
February 15th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Stroud is stating what he has learned about Jameis independently of the NYT’s and BSPN coverage.
The kind of things the bucs are doing. Or have done already.
Naturally the haters and racists have made up their minds and no evidence in support of his good character can possibly be true or considered.
Which is normal for hater/racists.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
@ MarshallU
LOL, good one
February 15th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
Waterboy Says
Pierre-Paul is not the answer. Do some research please. He quits on plays and is very, very inconsistent. No way he fixes the bucs DE problems. Grant it, he has moments when he is great but he has far to many lapses to bet the farm on.
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Sounds a lot like Michael Johnson. I’d actually prefer Greg Hardy anyway.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
@ Eric
If everytime you read something that somebody says about Winston that you don’t like, stop calling them racists and haters because that makes you the biggest racist of them all
February 15th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Sounds a lot like Michael Johnson. I’d actually prefer Greg Hardy anyway.
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I agree. I’d take Hardy in a minute. The first thing that I thought of when I read the article on Piere-Paul was Allen Haynesworth.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Winston is about be one of the best QBs in the game and espn and others dont want Tampa to draft him they want him in NY or some other big Market But we are gonna draft him and I cant wait!!
February 15th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Can someone seriously tell me if it is documented that Winston has eye issues? I noticed when I saw some of his games, as in the picture with this article, that he really squints a lot. If he does have eye problems then he really needs to get that fixed before becoming a pro. May be some of the reason for elevated interceptions? Really, does anyone have any insight on Winston’s vision? Just curious/concerned.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
@ Waterboy
Judging by what Lovie said about getting Michael Johnson healthy this off season he isn’t going anywhere, so Bucs need a stud at the left side. And that’s why I think that Williams will be a consideration for them
February 15th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
@ Eric
If every time you read something that somebody says about Winston that you don’t like, stop calling them racists and haters because that makes you the biggest racist of them all
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Yet it’s fine for you haters to make crap up and call him rapist but when called out, the rules are different. The words Racists, Hate and Rape used to be very serious terms that carried meaning and weight. Now, in today’s society people toss around racist, rape, hate like it’s thank you or please have rendered those words maybe not meaningless but close to meaningless. Disagreeing with someones opinion used to be called a “Healthy Debate” but know the crybabies label it Hate. What wussified world we live in today.
Nothing would make me happier for one of the blind haters to be falsely accused of a crime and have to defend themselves. Since it’s a safe bet those blindly hating Winston lives are mostly meaningless or less successful than a star athlete no one would ever hear about it.
I
February 15th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Being against Winston as the pick and advocating for Greg Hardy defies logic.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
“Being against Winston as the pick and advocating for Greg Hardy defies logic.”
patrick and his cronies do not bother with logic!
the many times i have shown patrick to be wrong his best retorts are calling me 16 and posting using my name. smh if i was 16, he has shown to be the most immature.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
Buc’s draft should go like this
1st Round – Jamarcus Winston
2hd Round – Jimbo Fisher
3rd Round – Tallahassee Police Department
February 15th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Hitting a woman and raping them MIGHT be two different things BoltIsle:
Im not saying that either guy did either. Maybe Hardy did hit her. Maybe she punched him first. I enjoy watching people argue over it though.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
He definitely got fat. And I was on the fence about the rape. The more I read I think he is a dirtbag and he did it yes. Nothing will change my mind shot of her saying I made it up. She had nothing to gain FSU and the hunting ground had everything to lose. Can you say cover up.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Jameis does have vison issues ..which can be corrected with HUGE coke bottle lens…seriously contacts will correct his vision but …he’d be too tempted seeing so many hot babes….Fisher told him to squint and stay out of trouble
His poor vision was his excuse for his weight gain he thought 250 was 220 lbs
Seriously…Jameis has more issues than Kleenex has tissues
Seriously….
February 15th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
Well maybe I have insufficient evidence to call people racists.
But hey serious accusations are always true right? Even without corroboration?
Hmmmmmmmm
February 15th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
@ Lurker
Keep swinging kid, maybe someday you’ll hit something
February 15th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
the day after valentine’s day must be slow on gandy beach for patrick’s hotdog cart restaurants. are you still pimping the dogs in your g-string, patrick, to the johnny reb crowd popping beer cans?
February 15th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
@ Eric
What about all of the Black people that don’t want Winston to be a Buc because they don’t like his character issues or think he’s overrated. What are they?
February 15th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
@Lurker
Still showing your age again kid
February 15th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Fror those of you saying ‘ don’t take a chance with the 1st overall pick’… I feel that’s just a cowards way out of making a decision. Doesn’t matter where you pick, the chance of failure is high. SSo you pick up 5 extra picks , for that #1, there’s a great chance you whiff on them all. The best any staff can doo is identifie what they’re looking for, make the pick, & work like hell to make it successfull. We’ve all seen the ‘reach for need’ be successful, and we’ve seen him fall flat on his face. The same applies to ‘Best available Player’. Just seems to me that if your pick is going to fail, it’s better to actually be TRYING to improve your team, as opposed to fitting someone you don’t need into your plans cause he was ‘the best player’. Just me.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
@ Joe Joes
Yep, agreed. Charles Davis new mock shows him sliding to 10th to the Rams
February 15th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
BoltIsle Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Being against Winston as the pick and advocating for Greg Hardy defies logic.
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Oh let me be clear I’m not at all against drafting Winston or bringing in Hardy. In fact I hope they draft Winston, my focus is strictly on winning. It would be great to have the best of both worlds, a guy that’s great on and off the field but if I had to choose one I’m taking the guy that’s good on the field. Now granted after a certain point there comes a time where a guys acts off the field aren’t worth the trouble of even having him on the team but based on the facts and information that I know of on Winston as of today he’s not at that point.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
Oh geez a blind overweight quarterback that makes really poor off the feild desicions and turns the ball over so much Mayock called him the next Jay Cutler. Yea that’s exactly what this team needs.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
you still running your piehole, patrick? still talking for all the female bucs’ fans including your imaginary fiance? still smearing winston and defaming charlie campbell?
what campbell says of winston (not the crap you attribute):
“On the field, Winston is a better prospect than Marcus Mariota, and over time, that could push teams to overlook the character discrepancy. Even with the off-the-field concerns, I have Winston ranked first on my big board and have had as the No.1 overall pick since early October 2014. He is a rare athlete who has natural poise as a pocket passer. His phenomenal field vision, anticipation and decision-making are extremely impressive for a college quarterback. He is a rare talent. The biggest issue for Winston is off-the-field problems. ”
soooooooooo winston is the best prospect, not williams!
February 15th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Any team that would use the #1 over all pick on somebody like Jamarcus Winston would be only doing it out of desparation and would regret it later on like so many teams every year do
February 15th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
He definitely got fat. And I was on the fence about the rape. The more I read I think he is a dirtbag and he did it yes. Nothing will change my mind shot of her saying I made it up. She had nothing to gain FSU and the hunting ground had everything to lose. Can you say cover up.
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How is a pending civil suit or shake down of a future millionaire for cash nothing to gain?
That’s like me seeing a person driving a Bentley behind me in traffic and slam on brakes to make the person ram into the back of my car. Easy payday.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
ps
charlie campbell’s draft as of 2/9:
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
2. Tennessee Titans: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: Randy Gregory, DE/OLB, Nebraska
4. Oakland Raiders: Leonard Williams, DT/DE, USC
February 15th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Imagine,
RD 1: Jameis Winston
RD 2: Marcus Peters
RD 3: Dorial Green-Beckham
Talk about boom or (probably) bust!!
February 15th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Fishfries I couldn’t agree more…His haters are playing judge & jury…
You know, I’m sick of people calling this kid a rapist when he hasn’t been convicted of anything…The media is partly to blame for this; Winston is a good student, went 26-1 as the starting QB at FSU, won a Heisman & other awards, 2 ACC championships, and a National championship…yet almost every time the media mentions his name they (Oh by the way) mention the Rape Allegation as well…
Imho the rape allegation is a sham, this crazy chick has changed her story at least 4 times; toxicology test prove she wasn’t drunk/high/drugged anything…she claims she didn’t know him before that night, that’s bologna…
Has this kid made some bonehead mistakes in college at 18, 19, 20 yrs old?? yes…but who didn’t do dumb sh!t in college at that age, I know I did..Difference is, I wasn’t a high profile college QB, Winston has to realize that he’ll always be held to a higher standard because of his status…If Winston can convince L&L that he can keep his nose clean & is ready to go to work he’ll be the #1 pick…
February 15th, 2015 at 4:24 pm
Being charged and found guilty by a judge might be different than never having charges filed due to lack of evidence.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
funny how the other 3 nfl.com mocks have winston #1 to the bucs…and one, bucky brooks, has mariota dropping all the way to 18 to the chiefs, though the other 2 have him going at 6 the the jets.
smear, smear, smear smh
February 15th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Allegations vs being charged
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”
February 15th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
@joe – Jameis’ agent has him on lock-down. You WON’T hear this stuff, until you do. it’s interesting seeing you throw Johnny Football under the bus to defend Fameis…weren’t you the one telling us Johnny’s partying either wasn’t happening or DIDN’T matter…?
The WORST of the OFF FIELD decisions Fameis Jameis MADE was to stand on a table and scream obscenities at college coeds as they passed in front of him, IMMEDIATELY AFTER a rape investigation…this was NOT a college prank, and it’s definitely the biggest moron move this talented idiot has made thus far.
The WORST ON FIELD decision Fameis made was getting duped by opposing defenses into making bad throws at critical times – even if not every ACC defense was talented enough to take advantage of that Fameis Jameis proclivity – it still caused 17 interceptions – again, mostly against ACC defenses. When he ran into a MUCH better defense at Oregon, Fameis folded like a cheap suit – imagine what he will do in the NFL when he faces defense better & faster than Oregon’s, EVERY week?
Put that in your “it’s all about the hate” pipe and smoke it. This Kid either DOES NOT read defenses, or IS NOT CAPABLE of deciphering what he’s seeing.
It’s like watching the 2nd coming of Vinny Testeverde – loads of talent, incredible arm, great against lesser talent – but free INT’s for everyone in bowl games and the NFL!
February 15th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Let’s drop the rapist accusations…..they aren’t necessary to make the point that Winston has issues….I also think the pic was photoshopped…..
Now…I think that Mariota will develop into a great NFL QB.
This does not make me a Winston hater….as a matter of fact, I also think he can be a great NFL QB….perhaps even sooner than Mariota.
I think there is risk with both….but more long-term risk with Mariota. I think the Glazers will look at it that way.
This is not an unreasonable position to take and I could change my mind at any point during the process.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Sorry……More long-term risk with Winston….
February 15th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Cody Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Fishfries I couldn’t agree more…His haters are playing judge & jury…
You know, I’m sick of people calling this kid a rapist when he hasn’t been convicted of anything…The media is partly to blame for this; Winston is a good student, went 26-1 as the starting QB at FSU, won a Heisman & other awards, 2 ACC championships, and a National championship…yet almost every time the media mentions his name they (Oh by the way) mention the Rape Allegation as well…
Imho the rape allegation is a sham, this crazy chick has changed her story at least 4 times; toxicology test prove she wasn’t drunk/high/drugged anything…she claims she didn’t know him before that night, that’s bologna…
Has this kid made some bonehead mistakes in college at 18, 19, 20 yrs old?? yes…but who didn’t do dumb sh!t in college at that age, I know I did..Difference is, I wasn’t a high profile college QB, Winston has to realize that he’ll always be held to a higher standard because of his status…If Winston can convince L&L that he can keep his nose clean & is ready to go to work he’ll be the #1 pick…
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I couldn’t agree more!
Rape isn’t the type of crime that a person just does once. Normally there’s a pattern of that action or some tendencies along the way. That’s why I tend to believe Winston in saying that he met the girl and they mutually agreed to go back to his place and have sex and she later decided that she wanted to undo what had already happened. Furthermore if you’re a girl and met a guy out at a bar and he offers to take you back to his place, what do you think you’re going there for? I’m sure the Bucs are thoroughly investigating his past and if nothing comes up I’d say it’s fairly safe to assume that this was a money grab.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
more winston #1
cbssports.com mock drafts:
rob rang 2/9:
1. Jameis Winston QB | Florida State
2. Leonard Williams DT | Southern California
3. Randy Gregory DE | Nebraska
4. Amari Cooper WR | Alabama
5. Brandon Scherff OT | Iowa
6. Marcus Mariota QB | Oregon
dane brugler 2/9:
1. Jameis Winston QB | Florida State
2. Randy Gregory DE | Nebraska
3. Leonard Williams DT | Southern California
4. Amari Cooper WR | Alabama
5. Dante Fowler OLB | Florida
6. Marcus Mariota QB | Oregon
pat kirwan 2/16:
1. Jameis Winston QB | Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota QB | Oregon
3. Leonard Williams DT | Southern California
4. Amari Cooper WR | Alabama
5. Randy Gregory DE | Nebraska
6. Shane Ray DE | Missouri
February 15th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Allegations vs being charged
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”
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Easy answer, ask the 2 other people that were there watching the tree fall if it made a sound.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
Just for giggles I looked up Testaverde’s TD/INT stat in his final college season (where he too won a Heismann and led his team to a number one ranking and played the number 2 team in the nation): 21 TD’s and 15 INT’s.
Vinny started for 2 years and finished with Miami’s record for TD’s (48).
He then became the #1 overall pick of the 1987 NFL Draft, to our beloved Buccaneers…
In 5 years with the Buccaneers, Vinny NEVER threw more TD’s than INT’s.
Prosecution rests.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Racist…Racist…. Racist….. where is the hate for peyton manning when he was accused at tennessee…. How about hating big ben…. No better yet Tom Brady having his bodyguards fire shots at papparzi and actually hit the guy…. But wait these guys are white they dont fall under the same scrutiny… whats funny is the investigation is still pending, yet jameis is already guilty based on the hate of u ppl.. I guest the South wont change especially florida “the home of zimmerman”
February 15th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
The pic wasn’t photo shopped. It’s real but its an illusion. He has a rope around his belly pulling combined with the shadow and angle it looks like he’s fat. A trick of the eye but I know the haters will ignore those facts and continue to claim it’s fat. Lol. To F*ck’n funny.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
The woman has not recanted her story. Not being charged doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything we should be concerned about. Read the police report. Sounds like the behavior of a predator and a giant bag of sh1t. I don’t care if he’s not a rapist under the law. He’s not the kind of person I would want to hand giant bags of cash over to, or spend the first overall pick on.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Mariota or trade down.
February 15th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
@ Lurker
Keep it up! You seriously amusing me
February 15th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
I dont think everyone who does not want to draft Winston is a racist.
But there have been vitriolic remarks about him being a rapists; lacking in intelligence; cant speak; funny name; jamarcus Winston. Etc.
Those are racists remarks in my book.
Far different than opinions from true fellow bucs fans who would prefer Marcus or another player, or trade down.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
As the late, great Sports Editor of the Tampa Tribune, Tom McEwen would say…
“Over a single slice of slightly buttered whole-wheat toast, two eggs sunny side up, three very crisp slices of bacon, a couple of ripe red Ruskin tomatoes, a chilled glass of Florida OJ, finished with a cup of cafe con leche…”
The choice of whom to draft this year is obvious.
It is Jameis Winston.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
@ Mariota Mob
Exactly. Even State Attorney Meggs said that even though there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him, he knew that something bad had happened that night
February 15th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
The character issues are more long term – and standing on a table a yelling sexual obscenities at underage coeds AFTER you’ve just undergone a rape investigation – IS a character issue.
Fameis has talent, he also reads defenses like Vinny Testaverde, the last college QB we selected with a TD/INT stat ALMOST as high as Fameis. He too cost his team the National Championship and was selected with the #1 overall pick of the draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Although Vinny didn’t have any known issues with rape allegations and being caught on tape standing on tables screaming sexual obscenties at underage girls after his rape allegation…Vinny did indeed last 21 years in the NFL – where he eventually learned to throw more TD’s than INT’s.
Vinny’s excuse was that he was color blind…
February 15th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
@ Eric
So when people compare Winston to Ryan Leaf is that racist? And what about the Black people that don’t want Winston to be a Buc because of his character flaws, pattern of stupid behavior or because they think he’s overrated? What are they?
February 15th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
@eric
those are the remarks i speak of… I dont think everyone who doesn’t like want to draft him think like that… But these remarks and pure hatred for a guy you dont know. It makes me wonder their angle or purpose
February 15th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
It’s overly simplistic to say those down on Winston are racist. Read the police report. He did what he did. Whether it’s rape under the law or not, it still isn’t pretty. And it’s not even about whether he should have an opportunity in the NFL. Of course he should. But with serious character questions (sexual predator), you really have to question whether he’s worth the risk of the first overall pick and boatloads of cash. How many irresponsible kids become MORE responsible when given millions of $$$? How many? ZERO. That’s how many. It’s a huge risk.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
@waterboy. When she accused him it was 2012 he had not even taken a snap for FSU how would she know that he would be the starting QB no money there. If someone was going to make up a lie would you say there friend tried to stop the rape like no one would ask that person? I think not I think they covered it up for the dirtbag
February 15th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
@ Mr Patrick
If u havent said anything that could be considered racist or hate… Why would you think the comment was directed towards you… Those who speak from hate know who it was directed too.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
@waterboy. When she accused him it was 2012 he had not even taken a snap for FSU how would she know that he would be the starting QB no money there. If someone was going to make up a lie would you say there friend tried to stop the rape like no one would ask that person? I think not I think they covered it up for the dirtbag
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Exactly you said it yourself he hadent even took a snap yet. So why would they put there careers on the line for someone who wasn’t famous or even played a game yet?… but aye, let’s pretend your theory is better.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 15th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
@ Tampa2ali
I prefer Leonard Williams and last year hoped for Teddy so yep, I’m a racist alright. However, when I have said that I think that Winston is too much of a risk and is overrated the folks that don’t like it or can’t figure out how to rationally respond just call me a racist. But that says a lot more about them than it does me and shows who the racists really are
February 15th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
@waterboy. When she accused him it was 2012 he had not even taken a snap for FSU how would she know that he would be the starting QB no money there. If someone was going to make up a lie would you say there friend tried to stop the rape like no one would ask that person? I think not I think they covered it up for the dirtbag
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Just a question what do you think her reasoning was for leaving the bar to go back to his room with him? Do you think that she thought that they were going to play monopoly?
February 15th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
Lol you hunting ground guys will twist anything to help justify this dirtbag to yourselves.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
“He’s not the kind of person I would want to hand giant bags of cash over to”
and you’re not…
or as patrick would say: your not
February 15th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
If famous Cost his team the national championship then so did Marcus Mariota. That statement right there tells me you don’t know much about football.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
lurker Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Huh? What are you trying to say?
February 15th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
Once again here we are debating if we are scared of greatness. We have one of the greatest qbs in the history of college football sitting right in front of us and yet there’s debate. And for all you”Jameis didn’t beat any good defenses crowd “. This year alone FSU beat the number 20, 21, 33, 37 and 38 defenses in the country. And for some perspective the national Champs this year finished behind 3 of those teams in defense this year. So another crappy argument shut down. Accept it folks if we pass on Jameis we will regret it for the next 15-20 years as he tears the league up.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
“Even State Attorney Meggs said that even though there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him, he knew that something bad had happened that night”
where is the quote, patrick? not just you saying, someone said the state’s attorney said. where is the quote that the state attorney said those words?
February 15th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
SHAME on the Winston Zombies for stooping to the lowest level of calling anyone opposed to using the 1st overall pick on a player with a long record of poor judgement and character issues….his table top sexual rant was AFTER he won the Heisman…what is in store ater his is the 1st overall pick with $1,000,000.00’s burning a hole in his pocket.
It is all about using the 1st overall pick !!! Zombies
February 15th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
just say no to marcus mediocre!
February 15th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
tmaxcon Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Guilty of beating the crap out of his girlfriend/wife and threatening to kill her. No thank you. Sh1tbags like that don’t deserve to be handed millions of dollars. It just enables criminally abusive behavior.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Marcus_Mariota_Mob Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
tmaxcon Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Sounds a lot like Michael Johnson. I’d actually prefer Greg Hardy anyway.
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I agree. I’d take Hardy in a minute. The first thing that I thought of when I read the article on Piere-Paul was Allen Haynesworth.
Guilty of beating the crap out of his girlfriend/wife and threatening to kill her. No thank you. Sh1tbags like that don’t deserve to be handed millions of dollars. It just enables criminally abusive behavior.
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He’s going to make his millions whether it’s with the Bucs or from another team. Michael Johnson or Greg Hardy hmmmm that’s a tough decision.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Given that 50% of sexual assault allegations on college campuses are found to be false they should rename that documentary “the false allegation grounds”.
Ill bet they wont mention that stat.
Or give both sides of the Winston case.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
^^ Rather not have blood on my hands if I’m in charge of the team.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I know that I’m kind of new to this site but what really amazes me is how divided the Buc nation is on this draft debate. And it shows what a polarizing figure that Jameis Winston really is. In my job, I drive all over the Tampa Bay area and talk to a lot of people every day and it’s what almost every Buc fan is talking about. It seems like about a third want Winston, a third want Mariota and a third want something or somebody else. And it puts the Glazers and Bucs in a very bad spot because whichever way they decide to go they will alienate most of their fans. I can sit here right now and name 11 people that said if the Bucs draft Winston they will not renew their and their family’s season tickets so there must be thousands of others.
So I don’t envy the Bucs with this choice knowing that while they are trying to figure out which will be best for their franchise it will make the majority unhappy. Good luck gentlemen
February 15th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
No one is ever”found innocent” in a criminal case. Only that there was insufficient evidence to charge.
So its a meaningless point.
But the haters just wont let it go.
Amazing.
February 15th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
@ Lurker
Do you mean to tell me that after all of the Winston defending and posting meaningless 16 year old dribble that you didn’t even watch Megg’s presser? WOW
February 15th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
For the record…if the Bucs draft him he has my %100 support…that day…and just like any other player if his actions on or off the field hold the success of the team at risk…well then I’ll chime in after that.
That said …my first choice is the trade down TWICE in the 1st round accumulating picks and begin the rebuild in earnest.
QB with the 1st pick next year…neither are worthy of #1 overall this year
February 15th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
When Mariota is blossuming in this league and becoming a superstar, Winston will already be flaming out and switching teams. Again
February 15th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
Mariota will be the next Russell Wilson and the Bucs know it. Koetter will build an offense around him and Bucs will win Championships. Book it
February 15th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Blossoming into an average NFL qb because as of right now he is a crappy NFL qb. Lack of accuracy, frail, lack of arm strength, can’t read defenses because they ran the no huddle non stop, etc………..
February 15th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
NuckinFutz Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I know that I’m kind of new to this site but what really amazes me is how divided the Buc nation is on this draft debate. And it shows what a polarizing figure that Jameis Winston really is. In my job, I drive all over the Tampa Bay area and talk to a lot of people every day and it’s what almost every Buc fan is talking about. It seems like about a third want Winston, a third want Mariota and a third want something or somebody else. And it puts the Glazers and Bucs in a very bad spot because whichever way they decide to go they will alienate most of their fans. I can sit here right now and name 11 people that said if the Bucs draft Winston they will not renew their and their family’s season tickets so there must be thousands of others.
So I don’t envy the Bucs with this choice knowing that while they are trying to figure out which will be best for their franchise it will make the majority unhappy. Good luck gentlemen
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Very good point, it is a tough predicament for the owners! I’ve also talked to people who are planning to buy season tickets as soon as it’s announced that they’ve drafted Winston. The Glazers just need to focus on who gives the organization the best chance to become a winning team. Winning sales tickets and will bring a new fan base if it comes to that. If they choose to pass on Winston and he goes to Tennessee and turns that franchise around while Mariota struggles to make the adjustment to the NFL then there will also be fans cancelling their season tickets. At the end of the day it’s about winning.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
As an add on to my previous post, I’m a Nole and my son now attends FSU also. That being said, I strongly prefer Mariota for the Bucs
February 15th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Since were saying crazy things then Winston will win more games in his first season than Mariota will win in his entire career.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Just the name “lurker” sounds like someone who would be a Winston fan.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
@ Luther wasn’t meggs the retired Supreme Court justice that FSU hired for the code hearing? He isn’t the state attorney. Let’s not mislead
February 15th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
smh @ patrick
“posting meaningless 16 year old dribble”
really, you try to attack me again but cannot get the word correct! lmao
you sad, sad being
February 15th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
MarshallU Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
Mariota will be the next Russell Wilson and the Bucs know it. Koetter will build an offense around him and Bucs will win Championships. Book it
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Great! Well hopefully they’ll wait until the 3rd round to draft him or maybe the 2nd round like Kaepernick!
February 15th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
Waterboy, also good points by you. However, to the team higher-ups football is also a business. A huge business. Winning comes first to most fans, but business is business to the money makers
February 15th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
neanderthals need to progress.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
@ Lurker
Go grow up and stop waisting the adult’s time
February 15th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
wow…11 people!
seriously? 11 people that had season tickets last year and will renew this year unless winston is drafted? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ok. lol
February 15th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
awwwwww patrick’s getting flustered again.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
“Exactly you said it yourself he hadent even took a snap yet. So why would they put there careers on the line for someone who wasn’t famous or even played a game yet?… but aye, let’s pretend your theory is better.”
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LOL Im not even a Jameis hater nor a conspiracy theorist on the ACC but the question as to “why” it would be covered up whether or not Winston had ever taken a snap or not. He was on Scholarship for FSU!
February 15th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
Winning is what sales tickets and merchandise! You can draft the pope and if he’s not winning games in a few years and the team is still bad then your ticket sales will be down and no one will be wearing team jerseys outside of the Tampa Bay area. Look around at all of the Seahawks jerseys that you see now. I never used to see anyone in a Seahawks jersey before they started winning. Even the Patriots were terrible for a long time and I’d never run into a Patriots fan but once they started winning all of a sudden I run into Patriots fans all over the place.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
No your right Willie meggs not enough evidence Semen wasn’t enough
February 15th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
I’ve had season tickets since 1987…I am not renewing …for Mark Cuban reasons…if you don’t know what I am talking about youtube seach MC NFL….the game has changed as well as the gameday expirence…still hardcore buc fan
February 15th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
No your right Willie meggs not enough evidence Semen wasn’t enough
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Semen is a part of sex I don’t think that was ever a question. BTW there was also semen from another male on her shorts.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
LOL Im not even a Jameis hater nor a conspiracy theorist on the ACC but the question as to “why” it would be covered up whether or not Winston had ever taken a snap or not. He was on Scholarship for FSU!
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So your saying FSU would cover up any and every FSU athelete’s crime? That has to be what your saying because he was nothing at that time. That craziness doesn’t stop.
But thats a whole nother topic though I suppose.
February 15th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
FSU athelete on scholarship*
February 15th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
@rayjay1122
On the squinting problem……”Jameis Squinston”
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9941415/jameis-winston-florida-state-seminoles-says-squinting-habit
February 15th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Meggs said the police missed ever basic fundamental they are suppose to do. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html .Here is a video meggs tells it was all done wrong. AKA COVER UP he is a dirtbag
February 15th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Jameis gets more free passes than the POTUS…..
February 15th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
There were two her boyfriend and the dirtbags. Why no one ever had a sexual encounter with there boyfriend and got rape hours later that can’t happen
February 15th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
They didn’t got to the bar to get the video or talk to the cab driver the next day that’s a no brainier and I’m not a cop. No they couldn’t have been covering anything up. Thats elementary,cop 101
February 15th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
We have a pretty good QB who has had 0 off field issues and is 10x smarter than JW! Give him a chance!
February 15th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
There were two her boyfriend and the dirtbags. Why no one ever had a sexual encounter with there boyfriend and got rape hours later that can’t happen
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So she had a boyfriend but willingly left the bar with a guy that she just met to go back to his place? Were they going back there to study?
February 15th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
@Nybucsfan
Couch makes a valid point so you said Winston wasn’t the star and had never taken a snap before at the time so what reason would the University have to cover it up?
February 15th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
i point out your falsehoods, again patrick, and your misuse of words, and you get flustered.
william meggs’ presser is on youtube. just watched both parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZTwHa8pbhg
in part 2 @1:12 he says:
“I know there was a sexual event occurred and one party says it was not consensual and apparently the other side says it was. And our job is to figure out if we had a forceful act, and we did not feel we had a sufficient evidence to go forward and to bring the case to trial to prove that it was not consensual.”
far from your words that you attribute to him. do you fib, misquote, and misrepresent on purpose?
February 15th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
FSU clearly knew who he was top rated QB out of his class he was on the football team already. To the public he was a nobody to be a target for money that all the hunting ground fan club claims. You tell me why they didn’t investigate that night or next day or that week?
February 15th, 2015 at 7:01 pm
The cops didnt know anything about a video. The victim did not mention it. She couldn’t give the names of the people involved for a week.
Most importantly she said she did not want any charges filed for 11 months after the alleged incident.
Perfectly normal for the police to suspend the investigation as per her wishes.
Standard operating procedure.
She had every opportunity under the sun to call any witness and put forth any evidence at the conduct hearing.
The very conduct hearing the University contacted her 20 times about and she refused to cooperate.
Insufficient evidence. Zero cover up.
Did you notice that espn has said nothing about the police reports they ordered over a number of years concerning every male athlete in any sport at FSU.
Not a single incident of irregular police behavior concerning an FSU student.
But do they report that? Of course not. Does not fit the narrative.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
there will always be something for the jameis haters to harp on. He can have an unbelievable rookie year and they’ll still bring up the rape allegations or find another reason to bash him. If only we knew what was in your closets. It’s usually the ones that point fingers and judge who are hiding skeletons.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:11 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
“FSU clearly knew who he was top rated QB out of his class he was on the football team already. To the public he was a nobody to be a target for money that all the hunting ground fan club claims. You tell me why they didn’t investigate that night or next day or that week?”
Better yet. Can you tell me why 15-20 people would risk their careers, reputation, and jail time to cover up a rape by a football player who wasn’t even a star yet?
Can anyone answer that question? I ask it all the time. Yet no one ever answers…
February 15th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
i did not know that “fsu cleat chasers” was a clique. their social media stuff was taken down/deleted.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
@87 what would you think if someone you knew cared about called about being raped and the cops did nothing for weeks not go for a video at the bar or contact the taxi did nothing. That’s why the made a movie the hunting ground. Do you think it makes FSU look good one of there scholarship players is getting accused of rape. schools cover this stuff up makes them look bad if it’s unsafe on there campus
February 15th, 2015 at 7:34 pm
If a friend of mine called the police about being raped and didnt know the names involved and didnt want it prosecuted I would expect the police not to do anything.
But i guess they were covering for Winston when they had not been notified it had anything to do with him.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Waterboy – if she left the bar with the guy, goes to the apartment and then maybe sobers up a bit or finds out he wants his buddies to video tape it and changes her mind…What then? It’s ok to rape her cause she was asking for it?
Ignorant argument. I’m not really anti-Jameis, nothing proven 100%. I am anti-rape and anti-dumbass though.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
They were both underage. They were both in a bar. WOW. I never did that. lol. It is not that they were both underage in a bar they never should have been in. The bar owners need to be sued but they can’t because the film was never asked for before it was deleted. Maybe she is completely nefarious and is lying her sweet little tush off. Maybe she isn’t. Kids make mistakes. My only problem with the situation is that there were three involved and the Complete lack of character change in the wake of a Nationwide investigation that concerns me
February 15th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
We have heard all of the evidence presented by the Prosecution (Nybucsfan) and we have heard the evidence from the Defense presented by (Lurker)…..and also have heard closing arguments…..the case has been turned over to the Jury (JBF readers)
We the Jury find the defendant….Jameis Winston Not Guilty of the Crime of Rape….however we do find the defendant guilty of a lesser charge of “Being a Dumbass”
Mr. Winston….you will be on probabtion for the rest of your life or until you die whichever one is longer.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:00 pm
Is Jameis throwing at combine?
Has Marcus healed to allow him to throw?
I know its underwear ball but id like to see them both in action.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Where you see smoke, there is usually a fire.
Winston has a lot of smoke. That is where the concern comes in. Nobody knows what will happen.
If Lovie and Jason speak with coaches and team mates behind closed doors and they vouch for Winston, they will probably take him….but nobody but himself has created tyne image he carries.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
The combine won’t change my opinion at all. Both may have worked on their bodies and throwing motion but you really can’t work on anticipation and pocket awareness to the point where its useful until they see live action. So my opinion is already made up and I go with Winston from what I saw from the games. I watched several games of both players and to me, Winston was miles ahead of Mariota.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Jameis you are guilty of having sex with a hot blond in college. After under aged consumption of alcohol.
Welcome to the club every other guy on here would have joined given the chance..
February 15th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
To the guy who earlier said that Winston stunk up the joint against Oregon in the Rose Bowl. I was at the game and Winston was clearly the superior QB that day, threw into tight windows, look off defenders and threw receivers open. He looked like an NFL QB and Duck fans were worried at halftime. So lets not forget it was Cook fumbling the ball in the 3rd quarter that killed the Noles momentum, not Winston.
His stats: 29/45 (64%) 348 yards 1TD 1int 1 fumble lost 132.2 QB rating
I wont he mad if we take Mariota but Winston IMHO is the franchise QB this team has never had.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
Its unheard of for two FSU students to have sex. Never happened before.
Burt Reynolds never did.
Deon Sanders.
Brooks.
Its so disgraceful I cant believe we might draft him.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
@TBBF
Thanks for the squinting article link! I think regardless of who picks him, the kid should consider LASIK. I had it done in 2007 and it was the best thing I could have done. I would do it again rather than wear contacts. I still am at this point more intrigued at least to see what Mariota can do. He may have a higher ceiling but take a little longer to get there. O am not a Winston hater at all but if I were making the pick, it would be Mariota unless he left me completely underwhelmed during talent evaluation process. Everyone needs to sloe there roll…lol. Still a lot of moves to be made and evaluation before the big day.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
Wow, for a bunch of folks alleging that there is nothing to the rape allegations…and it isn’t very important to you because the kid can sling the rock…
…you sure do spend a LOT of time talking about the rape allegations.
Me…I’m just concerned that he has career is eerily similar to a former #1 overall NFL draft pick named Vinny Testaverde.
Although, Vinny’s TD/INT stat (21 TD’s/15 INT’s) for HIS final year at Miami (where he won a Heismann and lost a National Championship game)…was almost identical to Fameis’ final stats (24TD’s/17 INT’s)…
See, Fameis has this uncanny ability to throw the ball to the other team at really funky times…almost like he was easily baited into some bad decisions by defenses. Which is really odd, because the defenses of the ACC aren’t really known for being all tat tough? When Fameis ran into legit defenses, that trait of his to throw interceptions at the exact WRONG moment…kind of killed his team.
Can you imagine what it will be like when he faces defenses better than Oregon’s EVERY week?
Downright Vinny Testaverde-ish…(it took Vinny 6 seasons – and his second NFL team – before he finally threw for more TD’s than INT’s).
February 15th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
@ rayjay1122
That is exactly where I stand…..I lean toward Mariota….if he can get it done…he probably has a higher ceiling because of his athleticism…..and we won’t have to worry about off-field. Also, the face of the francise doesn’t need to come with disclamers.
But….if he can’t do the job…..next man up is OK by me.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
@ White Tiger
Vinny….exactly….great arm….but he thought he could always squeeze in the throw and was burnt all to often.
Glennon is the opposite….doesn’t have enough confidence in his arm and fails to make the throw.
Each player ends up with the same lack of success.
February 15th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Let’s not let the inaccuracy of comparing him to Johnny Manziel serve as a straw man here.. It’s still reasonable to wonder if he’ll be a less lucky Ben Roethlisbergerr, or a more lucky Mark Chmura… Or … Hell. A less lucky Jameis Winston!
February 15th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
It’s amazing how cavalierly so many on this board take the rape allegation. Like it’s not even worthy of consideration. Isn’t this kinda typical? It’s the same set of obstacles women face every time they have to report a sexual assault. Dismissal, whore implications, psycho implications, indifference, mocking. It’s astounding to see it all play out in this conversation.
February 15th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Nybucsfan…in typical NY fashion…once again. Divert.
Can you just answer the question?
February 15th, 2015 at 9:12 pm
@TBBF It’s kind of uncanny when you look at the stats…
…and not in a good way.
I’m thinking for teams concerned with ball security, this is kind of a big deal…?
Famous either isn’t watching film, or he’s not capable of diagnosing what he sees from the opposing defense…
The spread, as it’s run in the NFL by Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, (and is similar to the one Marcus Marriota ran at Oregon) kind of dictates to defenses…especially if you have the right type of WR’s…
I’m kind of intrigued by what type Koetter will run here – if it’s simlar to what he did in Atlanta, then MG8 with Fameis in the wings – makes sense.
…if it’s more like what he ran at Boise State and Oregon…well, Marcus Marriota would be a perfect fit…
February 15th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
Marcus_Mariota_Mob Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
“It’s the same set of obstacles women face every time they have to report a sexual assault.”
Cry me a river and NO to Mariota sitting on IR someday soon.
February 15th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
@ White Tiger
It is still possible for him to go with Glennon with Mariota in development……sure…all are saying that Glennon can’t run spread…but no one knows what Mariota is capable of…..Imagine Atlanta’s offense with Mariota able to run if necessary….
I just don’t think we have enough information.
I can remember being so frustrated with Vinny…..loaded with talent with a fantastic arm….but found a way to throw it away too often. I just think he was over-confident.
February 15th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
Hmmm. All the Winston haters can say is rape rape rape. That all you guys got? Heading to the next article. This is BS.
February 15th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
^^ exhibit A
February 15th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Yea the people at FSU. @ Eric you still a lawyer? Lol Do poeple always know who raped them?
February 15th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
@ bojim nope we have theft we have shooting windows out we have standing up and yelling fhitp and rape I think there is a few more
February 15th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
^^exhibit A
there was no rape and not enough evidence for sexual assault!
watch the william meggs presser on youtube. i posted the link above. so, look at all the defamation, slander, and character assassination of an innocent man.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Rapist! Rapist! Rapist!
February 15th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
All the Jamis Winston haters are just Gaterd fans! Still wanting their Lil Timmy Tebow.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
matt Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
All the Jamis Winston haters are just Gaterd fans! Still wanting their Lil Timmy Tebow.
…….
WOW please tell me that you are just a joke poster.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
@White Tiger
In comparing Testeverde’s senior year stats to Winston’s sophomore year yes the TD to Int ratio is close but Winston had about 200 more pass attempts than Testeverde and still had a 65% completion rate.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:40 pm
@White Tiger
I’d be more concerned that Mariota’s stats look similar to Darron Thomas’ stats.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
knuckledragger Said:
February 15th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
“WOW please tell me that you are just a joke poster.”
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this ^^^ , folks, is called ironic!
February 15th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Man, you guys are ALL crazy. The Winston haters and lovers, the Mariota haters and lovers, and anybody else that is a hater or lover of anything else. just making each other mad and doing nothing more than spinning your wheels and making money for this site.
I’ve got a news flash for you – all of your pissing and moaning here means absolutely nothing to the Glazers or Lovie Smith and has no effect on anything. Get a life
February 15th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
Trade down. Spend those picks wisely – OLine and DLine. Start Glennon this year. Draft QB next year.
With a good OC, Glennon can be effective and win games.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:06 pm
Once again, the FSU/Fameis fans introduce the words “rape” and “racism” in order to avoid all those problematic issues with interceptions and poor judgment. Lets not conflate those two words just to defend Fameis, he’s either able to dismiss those attacks with his play and/or answers…or he’s not. No need to insult the intelligence of those of us who don’t agree with you that he’s obviously a better pick than Marriota.
Again, Kid Fameis is loaded with talent, but he does at least have a penchant for having the media show up while he innocently celebrates beating his rape allegation (standing on a table, hurling obscenities at underage girls…).
…likewise, Fameis seems easily baited into making equally poor decisions ON the field, by faster/more clever defenses…
February 15th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
To my knowledge lurker people that say things like “Gaterd fans!” should be considered cool right? And you have a problem with me why? Im not against your mancrush of a qb at all. I AM however against shallow Napoleonic complexed Hero worshipers that let what ever tirade or soapbox they are on become something that is to make themselves feel an inch bigger.
LOL I remember the Tebow freaks……….Some of the Winstonites are SO much funnier.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
you just have not watched the tape on winston to keep spouting your inaccuracies, white tiger. where are the experts that say that winston is easily baited or shows poor judgement on the field? i have seen and read the opposite.
the anti-winston character assassins scream rape, not the pro-winstonites. but don’t let that deter your agenda. and just beacause you don’t want to believe racism exists, doesn’t make it so. there have been quite a few times i have pointed out racist and misogynist comments. now, not every winston hater is racist, but do fool yourself.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
what…
knuckledragger Said:
February 15th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Just the name “lurker” sounds like someone who would be a Winston fan.
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and yet you don’t devolve, hmmmm. patrick is one who constantly misquotes and defames, and yet you get mad at a fsu homer (matt). matt says gaterd instead of gator and that upsets you. lol
February 15th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Wow. I truly feel dumber for having read this whole comments thread.
It’s 1 thing to prefer Mariota or believe that neither QB is worthy of #1 pick (if neither is – than no QB is IMO) and make statements from those viewpoints – but its another thing altogether to have so many haters (and yes – that’s what your words make you) barrage these threads over and over again day in and day out with slanderous statements about Jameis Winston. Just because someone doesn’t like Winston or doesn’t want the Bucs to draft him doesn’t give anyone the right to slander his name. Calling Winston a “rapist” over and over again publicly when he was never arrested or charged is flat out slander and is against the law.
I have extensively researched the rape allegation myself with all of the evidence available – and my conclusion is that no rape occurred. The TPD came to the same conclusion as did the school conduct hearing which was overseen by an independent party (a retired Fl Supreme Court justice- no less). There is NO evidence of a rape. The evidence that exists in fact supports Jameis Winston’s explanation of what happened that night as does the testimony of the 2 other young men that were present as well as the statements of the accusers friend’s who were at the bar.
The accuser changed her versions of what happened that night multiple times. She also said she did not know Winston at all which has been proven to be false.
In her own handwritten initial statement to police – the accuser wrote – “Monique (her friend) left. I texted her to see if she had my ID and room key, she said she left all that stuff with me. Next thing I know I was in the back of a taxi with a random guy that I have never met. There was another person in the taxi. We went to an apartment, I don’t know where it was…”
Monique contradicted that account in revealing that there was a discussion between them about Erika (the accuser) leaving with the young men. Monique asked her if it was a good idea and Erika told her specifically that she wanted to go with them. So she obviously went willingly back to Winston’s apartment and did not share that fact with police.
Additionally – her statement about being in a taxi with a “random guy that I have never met” is completely false and easily dis-proven. See for yourself. Google “Erica Kinsman Jameis Winston pictures”. in the 1st row of images you will see 1 picture of Erika and Jameis at Potbelly’s posing specifically for a picture together. He has 1 arm around her shoulder and she has both arms around his stomach/waist. The other image shows Erika and Jameis dancing together at Potbelly’s -wearing the same clothes as in the other posed picture. They are dancing close – face to face – nose to nose – lips less than 1″ apart and it looks like they are about to kiss. She is smiling big in both pictures.
So those who continue to say that Winston is a “rapist” are WAY out of bounds and in fact breaking the law themselves (slander). Those who are not going that far but still going out of their way saying derogatory things about Winston multiple times a day on these JBF threads (and likely other places on the internet as well I assume) and attacking him as a person (as opposed to critiquing his on field play which is fair game) are almost as bad but still within their legal rights – but its just very negative and unfair to say so many bad things about someone you have never met. bad karma as well. That’s my opinion.
There are a # doing this at 1 level or another – but I am referring specifically to Mr. Patrick, NYbucsfan, Supersam and Brandon who seem to be the worst slandering offenders as well as the most prolific and active negative anti-Winston commentors here on JBF.
There are numerous others – Joe Joe Fungi Nails and White Tiger come to mind – and quite a few others who are not going so far as the above named by continually saying rapist – but who are digging themselves quite a hole with their ongoing and regular anti-Winston rhetoric. Those who are speaking out regularly and publicly against this young man are likely to wish they hadn’t gone so far in slamming Winston if the Bucs draft him. Which is looking more and more likely by the day. You all WILL BE held accountable for your anti-Winston stance pre-draft if the Bucs draft him. You think the other posters here on JBF are just going to forget who was doing this pre-draft and not call you on it regularly once Winston starts winning NFL games and proving that he was worthy of the #1 pick? I advise those who have been digging themselves a hole in talking against Winston to soften your stance or you will never hear the end of it if the kid becomes a great NFL QB which a lot of NFL experts say is a good likelihood based on what they see on tape. Just sayin.
February 16th, 2015 at 12:08 am
I’m checking out……the weekend has past….we’ve had no bad news about our prospects…..I can rest knowing there are only ten more weekends until the draft.
Ten more weekends of quiet….no events….for our QBs…..
It’s 11:09 PM…..do you know where your future francise QB is?
February 16th, 2015 at 12:59 am
@Pickgrin
Well, it could be that Fameis really does suck and lack of character really does matter…oh, and that proclivity Kid Fameis has for throwing INT’s reminds me a whole lot of the last #1 overall QB we drafted: Vinny Testaverde. Vinny only threw 15 INT’s in his last college season (after having won the Heismann and losing his shot at the ’87 National Championship)…what if we draft Kid Fameis and he bombs?
…then YOU’ll never hear the end of it…because if Kid Fameis really does study film, it’s even worse, as it would mean he can’t seem to master (college) defenses. The defense knows this and sets him up by giving him a “look” at a homerun – just before they snap the trap closed and he throws another critical INT…in the NFL that kind of trait isn’t valuable.
Sorry, that’s what I see when I watch Kid Fameis.
I’ll remind, I didn’t have a favorite in this QB hunt, until my Buckeyes blew the Ducks out in the National Championship Playoff game…that was after I watched the Ducks do the same thing to the ‘noles…that’s when it became clear to me Marriota is the real deal.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:14 am
Pickgrin. Read this. Is this outdated material. Mot sure. Tell me if something is amiss here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/us/florida-state-football-casts-shadow-over-tallahassee-justice.html?_r=0
February 16th, 2015 at 1:18 am
I just had a similar flashback with the debacle at Penn State. Poor Paterno.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:20 am
you don’t know what u r looking at then, white tiger. lol a testaverde comparo. keep grasping at straws. where are the experts that agree with you? keep trying.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:22 am
ahhhhhhh the good old nytimes hit piece. poor investigative journalism. maybe joe will post up his link that refutes that “article”.
Here it is: http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/
February 16th, 2015 at 1:30 am
Do you have one now? Much appreciated.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:31 am
I don’t need writers who pass themselves off as ‘experts’ to tell me what I see while I watch cut-ups of Kid Fameis nearly losing to Clemson, and then looking completely lost against the Oregon defense.
Then again, I’m not a fanboy who clips all the positive articles Kid Fameis’ agent has written for his star – pasted on my refrigerator, either.
But I’ve got my eye on you @lurker….
February 16th, 2015 at 1:48 am
White Tiger: Winston threw for 348 yards and a 132 QB rating against Oregon, if that is totally lost then WTH is McCown and Glennon?
February 16th, 2015 at 1:52 am
i have watched both play. winston is a lot better than you portend.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:53 am
you just do not know what you are watching, white tiger.
February 16th, 2015 at 2:35 am
White Tiger Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 12:59 am
@Pickgrin
“Well, it could be that Fameis really does suck and lack of character really does matter…”
It could be that Leonard Williams sucks too. He and Jameis are considered by most NFL experts as the 2 best overall players in the draft. Jameis is at the top of more boards than any other single player. So maybe everyone is wrong about about both those players – maybe. probably not…. I’ve personally watched at least a dozen FSU games in the last 2 years – Winston is a flat out stud QB IMO. One of the best I’ve seen coming out of College in many years. Not sure what you are looking at but opinions vary I guess.
As to “lack of character” – I wouldn’t presume to be worthy of judging Winston’s character since I don’t know him and have never even met him. I find it wise not to make judgments (especially publicly) about the character of someone I have never been around. Perhaps you know Winston? Or perhaps you are negatively judging what type of person he really is without being qualified to? I’m guessing the later.
I trust the judgement of people who know him well a lot more than I trust any JBF commentor with an agenda’s opinion an whether Jameis has good character or not. Why don’t you do a little research into that White Tiger. Why don’t you look it up for yourself and see what his friends and teachers and coaches from his hometown in Alabama and from his time at FSU say about Winston’s character. Wouldn’t those people be a good place to start in trying to figure out what this kid is all about. Gee – I hope the Buccaneers remember to do that… SMH
White Tiger Says:
“…what if we draft Kid Fameis and he bombs?”
Then it happens. It certainly wouldn’t be the 1st time we missed on a high pick. Dominick threw a #7 overall pick into the trashcan just 3 years ago. The Bucs suck mainly because of terrible drafting over the last 10 years – but the world nor the franchise have ended. Hope springs eternal every April
All the Bucs can do is do massive amounts of homework and research on both Winston and Mariota. There’s no way you don’t pick one of these QBs in the position they are in. It’s almost inconceivable not to take a QB at #1 really. So they do the homework and detective work and interviews and watch the tape on both 100 times and then watch it again 100 more times and then write a name down on draft day. And hope for the best. Its how the system works. Some teams are better at it than others. We only have last years draft to judge L&L by. There is certainly not enough info to judge that draft very well yet – but I like all 3 of the players they got with the day 1 and 2 picks last year. Time will tell – just like with Winston and Mariota.
February 16th, 2015 at 3:36 am
“It’s almost inconceivable not to take a QB at #1 really. So they do the homework and detective work and interviews and watch the tape on both 100 times and then watch it again 100 more times and then write a name down on draft day. And hope for the best.”
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this.
we have to trust licht to make the best pick for the franchise after much research and interviews.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:34 am
great!!! do not trust him or idiot lovie. and they draft your bozo#5 and the team s***s for another 10 years! G R E A T!!!!!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 8:37 am
also the pic says it all. bozo#5 is friggin blind. lots more int”s coming from this blind clown. bet on it!
February 16th, 2015 at 8:43 am
I have an idea for all of you who hate Jameis so much. If and when the Bucs draft him; Find a new team!!!!!! Its that simple.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:46 am
Oh and by the way that photo that you think Jameis is fat: is photo shopped but you guys are too stupid to notice that. Look at the shadow on the ground idiots. Just pay attention at the Combine.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:07 am
So all the Winston haters that keep saying we will be set back 10 more years if the bucs draft him.. what’s your alternative?? if they don’t draft him or a QB at all then we have Glennon who has proven to be serviceable but not going to take us to any championships any time soon, and there are zero potential FA that give us a chance to win.. If you go with Mariota its the same gamble you would be taking with Winston.. Sure the concerns are different but the bust % is the same just like with every top level pick. When it comes down to it, it’s all a risk and they have to pick who they feel is the best player on the field.. Remember, L&L already have 1 crappy season in the books, they can’t afford to have another one otherwise they might be sitting on the unemployment line with some of you guys. If they go with Winston he will most likely play game 1, if they go with Mariota hes probably going to sit for as long as Glennon’s play determines. L&L aren’t going down with the ship with their #1 pick on the bench. This is why IMO they will take JW or try and trade down and load up on the OL and DL..
like I’ve said before, no matter who they draft i will be in line grabbing a jersey because ultimately i am a die hard Bucs fan and will root for who ever is on this team.
Go Bucs!!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 10:39 am
NO MEANS NO Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Jameis The Rapist Winston will be a regular at Mons Venus. I wonder, can you legally rape a stripper?
She wanted that big black anaconda. You know it and you cannot deal with it! You call someone a rapist? Take one to know one!
February 16th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
I agree, we need to draft a QB with the 1st overall pick…I just think the best QB for that spot is Marcus Marriota. If you Kid Fameis fans can deal with the concept that it WON’T be Kid Fameis who’s name is called first on draft day…I can come to grips with the concept that it will be.
Meanwhile, I will continue to point out the reasons why this is NOT a forgone conclusion. In a debate amongst fans, it’s best to hear all arguments – for and against both QB’s. The mere mention of question marks about Kid Fameis seem to send some of you into a tailspin!? I’m prepared for disappointment – I’m a Bucs fan…if you guys who are married to Kid Fameis aren’t expecting to get a bag over the head come draft day…then it kind of illustrates that you’ve not been following our team that long…
February 16th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
@TradeDownMob
Here’s the thing you guys are missing. Not many NFL teams that desperately NEED a QB, trade OUT of the top spot when TWO top QB’s are on the board.
When you factor in that BOTH QB’s were TERRIBLE – and that Glennon would be a a backup on any other NFL team – you begin to understand WHY our Bucs are picking NUMBER 1 – overall.
We’re picking number 1 overall because WE SUCK. Primarily, we SUCK AT QB.
It sounds cool and trendy to say “trade down” go with Glennon and get a QB next year…that leaves out the fact that not many NON-spread QB’s are coming out…period. Because not many schools are running “pro-style” offenses.
Pat Kirwan mentioned yesterday – for the past couple of drafts, they ask the same question of the top draft prospects (rounds 1 thru 3) at the rookie symposium: “how many of you have ever been in a huddle…” Pat said he was stunned that last year he could count the number on one hand…meaning MOST of the schools are running some type of spread. Even the “pro-style” schools are calling a stripped down WCO with mostly spread concepts.
See, due to the ease of installation and alternative requirements of the system – skill positions are no longer learning “Pro-Style” techniques. The NFL has tried to re-educate the linemen, QB’s, WR’s and RB’s…but it’s an expensive endeavor, and they have not been as successful re-training top draft picks to play in a REAL pro-style offense (and no, FSU does NOT run a REAL NFL “Pro-Set” or “Pro-Style” offense).
That’s why you see more NFL teams adapting to the talent. You can spend time and money retraining, and MAYBE having success (more likely NOT having success)…OR you can lay the hand being dealt to you. Some, like the 49er’s, Eagles and Seahawks are finding the right athletes and schemes to mix the available talent into. NONE of which is to stock-up on traditional offensive linemen who are comfortable in Pass Pro…in order to protect a slow-footed QB who drops back and reads the field. It’s more of a zone blocking scheme where specific angles are schemed to spring the QB to run or pass – depending on down & distance – emphasizing delaying the defensive lineman, or causing him to hesitate. Getting in his way long enough for the QB to get rid of the ball, or take an open zone for a second level penetration.
An obvious advantage to converting to a spread heavy concept – the offensive linemen can be lighter and faster – which is kind of what’s coming out. There are a lot of available LOT’s that are under 300 lbs – that can outrun a DE/DT – they won’t anchor at the point of attack – but because you aren’t needing to hold your blocks for 7 seconds in pass pro anymore to protect a drop-back QB reading the field…he doesn’t HAVE to hold that block that long.
See, it’s why the debate for what we do with the number one overall draft pick is over a QB.
Nothing else. Not any other position.
Not any other strategy.
Trite, smarmy posts about blithely trading down for some unknown, nondescript “batch” players.
It’s ALL about the QB’s.
February 16th, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Joe, it’s a shame you can’t block people like mr Patrick for being plain stupid. I know you feel it’s fair to allow people to speak their mind no matter how I’ll informed and uneducated it is. But using that same principle, I should be allowed to call out said people.
February 16th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
@ian620WDAE
Um. it means nothing. As I said. Kid Fameis was so destroyed by the Oregon defense (and the number of plays the offense ran which kept Kid Fameis’ offense OFF the field)…Jimbo Fisher had to threaten to BENCH his starting QB because despite his gaudy numbers – his team had fallen so far behind it had become embarrassing. It was playing right into the defenses game plan.
Despite throwing for 348 yards – he was NOT playing within the offense Jimbo Fisher was calling (as happened in Clemson earlier in the season).
And as bad as THAT was – it would be NOTHING compared to what an average NFL defense would have done to him.
There is absolutely NO comparison to what Kid Fameis saw in the ACC and at Oregon – to the speed and “looks” he will see at the next level. That’s why it’s really meaningless to tell me how well Kid Fameis can read college defenses. The two times he faced good defenses this year, Kid Fameis faltered. You can expect much more of that at the next level.
The number of interceptions is indicative of the other thing you can expect to see more of from Kid Fameis at the next level. Just as I pointed out with the comparison to Vinny Testaverde. A lot of college interceptions indicate a LOT MORE Int’s in the NFL.
February 16th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
“A lot of college interceptions indicate a LOT MORE Int’s in the NFL.”
it is not indicative…there is no study that shows correlation between the two! if you want to go by that fallacy, then marcus mediocre will get sacked a lot by poor teams and injured a lot. he was sacked 7 times by 3-9 washington state. oregon barely won, then after an off week, lost to an unranked arizona team. his coach gave the excuse that he wasn’t 100% after the washington game. hmmm. and he is still injured from the national championship game. so that is indicative to his fragility and how he will always be injured and sacked in the nfl.
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 16th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
@White Tiger
“Despite throwing for 348 yards – he was NOT playing within the offense Jimbo Fisher was calling (as happened in Clemson earlier in the season).”
you do realize Winston didn’t play in the Clemson game right?? lets try and make a few educated comments on here.. Google is there for a reason.
February 16th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
@joshp
Sorry, I meant the Ok State game. If it hadn’t been for the “gift” granting him the TD on a clear fumble – he would have gone down hard to a unranked, unheralded Ok State team – mostly for his own errors (2 INt’s and a a few missed passes).