Darrelle Revis Worth $20 Million?
January 27th, 2015
So Joe is in the Valley of the Sun, Phoenix, for Super Bowl Media Day, and week actually. Joe is going to spend a couple of extra days.
Last night, after Joe flew in, picked up credentials, talked to a few old media friends like Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Howard Balzer of SiriusXM NFL Radio, and got a feel for the lay of the land, a long day of travel was coming to an end. Nourishment was in order. Read: A burger and a craft beer.
Joe stepped into a place that was calling his name, some joint called “Networks.” Unbeknownst, it was part of the downtown Phoenix Hyatt.
Joe bellied up to the bar, ordered something cold and wet. Joe cannot remember the name but it was good (yes, a craft beer), and a noted Boston scribe sat down next to Joe — won’t mention his name because the conversation was not conversation to be on record.
But the same guy nearly 20 years ago helped Joe out a great deal on a story Joe when Joe worked for MLB.com. Joe never forgot the kindness and Joe made sure to tell this guy he still appreciates his time and help and act of generosity.
Conversation turned to football and said scribe asked Joe, “Why on earth did the Bucs let go of [Darrelle] Revis?” Joe’s answer came from the information he had gathered; the new Bucs regime [Lovie Smith] thought Revis was damaged goods and was spooked that he would never come close to playing like his previous self.
The Boston columnist scoffed loudly and chuckled, “Well, that wasn’t a very smart decision, was it?” Joe replied, “One of many reasons they won the Chase for Jameis.”
Revis soon will enter the second of his two-year contract with the AFC champs. His contract, per Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com, kicks in a $20 million salary for Year 2, barring a re-tooling or an outright release.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday that the Patriots will try to sign Revis to a long-term extension, but the team has not ruled out simply paying the $20 million option to Revis.
While $20 million sounds awfully high, it’s getting harder to imagine Revis not in New England next season. The Patriots have a long time to work out a new deal with Revis. If they can’t, they wouldn’t have to release Revis until late March, when the free agency market has mostly dried up. What quality teams are going to have that much salary cap room available in April to sign Revis?
If Revis does indeed pull in $20 million a year, the Bucs had him on the hook for a relatively steal of $16 million.
Yes, Joe knows that is a boatload of cash. And while Alterraun Verner is a fine corner who Joe likes a lot, he is not Revis. And if Revis is indeed going to pull $20 million, how long before decent cornerbacks start sitting out wanting a fair market share of their value?
And the Bucs just flushed Revis down the toilet. Didn’t even get a lousy seventh-round pick for the guy. Just let him walk as if he was E.J. Biggers.
Haters can’t hang that on former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik.
January 27th, 2015 at 10:52 am
Revis might be worth $20 mil to someone else…but not to us. The problem with letting Revis go was the poor use of the freed up money…(thus far)…..Michael Johnson in particular….if he had performed or does perform the release of Revis doen’t look so bad. IMO…the deal shouldn’t have been done in the first place.
It is what it is…and like Bennett, Blount, Wright…..Revis is gone….let’s move on!!!
January 27th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Joe, the way I remember it L & L wanted to spread that 16M around to several players because they knew they wanted to make changes. To much $ committed to one player. Looked frugale @ the time, but, they botched who they signed for that 16M.
January 27th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Joe opened a can of worms with this one. A bunch of ppl are going to com on here and complain about lovie letting go of revis which I hated btw. I advocated us trade for him.
But the same people that are about to complain are the same ones who said release him. We can’t pay a corner 16 mill a year blah blah blah. Wish I could pull up the comments from last off-season who said getting rid of him was a good idea.
January 27th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Tampabaybucfan:
“Poor use” is being very kind.
January 27th, 2015 at 10:59 am
I can’t help but speculate if Revis wasn’t responsible for some of the stories about locker room turmoil in 2013 (since he was one of the few players who publicly seemed to question Schiano’s way of doing things), and that may have spooked Lovie as well? Bucs had plenty of cap room to retain him, he is one of the best if not the best to play the position, and he showed some of the guys like Banks how to prepare like a pro. Not much else makes sense for Licht and Lovie letting the guy walk for nothing essentially getting one year out of the. Buc’s 2013 “1st round pick”?
January 27th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Only question for Joe:
Did you buy the Boston gentleman an adult beverage of his choice?
Seems like the proper thing to do.
Also, see you are also promoting Winston out loud……
January 27th, 2015 at 11:01 am
Oh, so if Revis was on your team this year we are making the Super Bowl? As the old saying goes, a star cornerback on an awful team is like tits on a bull.
The reason Lovie dumped Revis was because of the massive amount of cap space he took up at 16 million (the price of 2013 Grimes/Smith/Talib COMBINED). If any team, including the Oakland Raiders, wanted to pay him that last year they could’ve offered a 6th round pick and gotten him. But no one did. Because Dumbinik priced Revis out of the market with his silly contract. The Patriots, on the other hand, are paying him a ‘relative steal’ of 12 million this year to help them get to the Super Bowl, and there is no guarantee whatsoever they will stomach him at 20 million for one more. But even if they decided they so desperately wanted Revis for one more year, do you know what 20 million and 12 million average out to Joe? 16 million. So at WORST they pay the same stupid salary our dumb GM was willing to, except with a SB appearance and possible victory to show for it.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:09 am
Revis is worth $16-$20 mil, just not to the Bucs. To Super Bowl contenders … Yes.
We’ve got so many other needs that I don’t think Lovie and Licht had any choice but to release him. True, they badly misused the money that was freed up, but that doesn’t change the fact that extensive needs were (and still are) there.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:09 am
@ Joe
Yes….”poor use” is kind….but we still have all players under contract and they can possibly turn it around this year……it’s not over yet for Verner & Johnson….Collins is gone….but I count him more toward the Penn/Zuttah money…..
January 27th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Did you buy the Boston gentleman an adult beverage of his choice?
Had he stuck around, certainly. He bought three scotches (to go) and left.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:12 am
Does anyone honestly believe that the bucs will have a winning record next year?
Lovie smith only won 1 game with HIS guy.
Also I 100% believe that the Glazers will not buy out tickets to ensure games will be on TV.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:13 am
Perhaps he was still recovering from his devastating injury. I don’t know about you but it seemed to me that Revis sucked last year. Did I miss something?
January 27th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Let the talent walk out the door, who need’s the best corner in the game? We got 6 lousy player’s for the amount we paid Revis. Our coach and gm know what their doing.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:19 am
L&L blew up our offensive line, cut one of the greatest corners backs of all time and signed a bunch of free agent busts. Now they are being given the #1 overall pick… If they screw this up we will be an even bigger laughing stock of the NFL. Who the hell cuts Darelle Revis?
January 27th, 2015 at 11:26 am
Ok boys and girls. For those of us who have been fans long enough to have the heartburn return from the 2001 when we won the superbowel. It was a bitter sweet victory for the bucs. Followed by the most painful display of team management that till this day makes me want to cut my own metaphorical wrists that tie me to this team. They let go of HALL OF FAMER WARREN SAPP, DERRICK BROOKS, LYNCH, future hall of FAMER Simeon rice, Shelton quarles. If that wasn’t painful enough. Then they left go of al pro corners aquib TALIB, future hall of FAMER D. REVIS, michael Bennett. The list goes on and on. Hell does this look like the characteristics of a management team that wants to win or one that is more focused on their team in the UK. JOE PLEASE PUT MY MIND AT EASE AND TELL ME IT AINT SO………
January 27th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Revis was worth it, but I don’t think that the Bucs were using him correctly in the scheme. Maybe Lovie could have done something different with him, but I think Lovie crapped the bed this year with the defense. We probably would have won a couple more games with Revis on defense.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Revis aint worth no 20 mill!! hes a cornerback for petes sake. Jeez the whole issue was that he is a man corner not a tampa 2 like we play. case closed
January 27th, 2015 at 11:36 am
@Jonathan
Agreed completely. The Glazers may have saved the Buccaneers by keeping them here in the mid 90s and hiring Dungy to help build us into a Super Bowl contender; but since the SB win they’ve been failures as owners. I’m not talking about the late Malcolm, I’m talking about his three sons that have been in charge since ’06. Releasing all the hall of famers, hiring Raheem Morris as HC, buying Man U when they already own another billion $ sports franchise, introducing those hideous uniforms, etc……they’ve embarrassed this team and fan base for a while now.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:36 am
L&L…..
January 27th, 2015 at 11:47 am
Ah yes, the uniforms… How is that still not the biggest disappointment of the season? The numbers and shoulder pad patches are just awful.
Also, no hate for cutting Revis — everyone on here saying he was too much money for a hole-heavy Bucs is right. Man, Boston sportswriters and fans are the most self-involved, short sighted bunch of yokels.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Revis needed one season to build up his trade value. and we needed one season to prove we had a pass rush worthy of the tampa 2. seemed like a no brainer to me. i understand he doesn’t fit the scheme outright but early in their tenure L&L needed to get the most out of the meager assets they inherited, whether that was draft picks in trade or performance on the field. they gave up too many guys who performed on the field for cap dollars in what always looked like a week free agency class.
January 27th, 2015 at 11:50 am
lovie ended up playing a bunch of man defense anyhow while he searched for 11 guys who could all do the right thing at the right time on a consistent basis.
January 27th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
While I was all for the Revis trade when it went down, in retrospect it wasn’t the right move. Just giving up the first round pick for a player who would have left the team the following season was perhaps a reach, but the Bucs were not in a position to be contending for a Super Bowl, nor would they have been if they had kept Revis the following season. $16 million for a starting CB, even the best in the league is not smart spending.
Remember that the media can be fickle and is often times hypocritical in their criticism. The Bucs were blasted for paying Revis $16 million by the same media members who are saying that Revis is worth $20 million.
Clearly the guy who laughed at Joe for the Bucs releasing Revis doesn’t know much about football. Why would the Bucs keep Revis when they were so weak at other positions all over the field? Yes, the Bucs mostly flopped when it came time to use the Revis money to boost up those weak positions, but it’s not like they just put the money back in the coffers and did nothing.
Revis is a luxury player that should be targeted by teams with established QBs that can contend for the postseason, at the very least. In this day and age, it’s ludicrous to pay that much money for any corner.
January 27th, 2015 at 12:23 pm
the new Bucs regime [Lovie Smith] thought Revis was damaged goods and was spooked that he would never come close to playing like his previous self.
joe that is just pathetic and you’ll say anything to keep controversy going. really joe you mean after talking about it all offseason you forgot all the talk of paying a shutdown corner 16 mil to learn the tampa 2? the fact that there’s never been a high priced corner in this system? or revis play just wasn’t good enough to warrant 16 mil with all the other needs on the team and this is talk prior to all the free agents we signed. so sad but if one knows this is how your getting your fame then those with common sense know not to take anything you say seriously unless it’s a confirmed story everyone else has
January 27th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
We are devoid of talent. We let an elite, top 2 at his position, top 15 overall NFL player go for nothing. Don’t use money, we have tons of cap space. Lovie can’t adapt scheme to talent, it’s really that simple.
January 27th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Of all the missteps of Lovie, Revis is the worst one of them all. I said it before it happened, and will continue to say it. You just plain don’t get rid of elite players, especially when you are a bad team without many elite players. I’d take Revis over the 3 guys we got in his place any day of the week. Revis played under an amateur coach, and wasn’t 100%, yet still had a really good season. A lot will point to the times he got beat, but most of those were clear breakdowns in communication. He has been nothing short of sensational this year for New England, mainly because they knew how to use him. If Schiano (and Lovie) couldn’t figure that out, then that right there is the problem. I mean seriously, how difficult is it really? Put him on the best WR, and roll your other guys to help everyone else. Don’t over thing things. Oh well, I’ll be happy for him if he gets his championship on Sunday, but will be forever pissed off we let him walk.
January 27th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
@bucrightoff
so this is a lovie issue?? darelle revis was signed to 16mil contract and we gave up a top 10 pick and it was a good idea for a talentless team to give up a top 10 pick for a put man cover corner when you don’t even run man 50% of the time not to mention it was the cornerback position at a time when you could simply avoid revis and throw at our worst corners. didn’t realize lovie did that or gave up pash rushers that like Bennett, signed usless free agents like gholdson, promoted guys like bowers. lovie messed up the o line but no one talks about how the d line got screwed cuz we have McCoy. this is the controversy im talking about. this team sucked before lovie got here and no one can fault a coach for making a team in the image he see’s fit because that’s what every coach does. lovie cant adapt and your saying that as if schiano could adapt
January 27th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
The elite corners command $13-16 million a season. That’s the market. If Sherman or Revis became available tomorrow, that is what they would make whether you think they’re worth it or not. You can think he’s not worth it, market says otherwise. Which one is actually real though?
We also gave up the 13th pick, which last time I checked, does not constitute a top 10 pick. And when did I mention Schiano? You bet I didn’t. Lovie being a crappy coach and Schiano being a crappy coach are mutually exclusive, they are not linked in any way. I get it, you hate Schiano more than anything in human history, but Lovie still sucks even if Schiano does too.
January 27th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
@bucs4lyfe
I’ll answer for him, YES. Lovie wants to run man to man, FYI. We just don’t have the guys to run man. Wanna know why? He was well worth giving up a first round pick for. Whenever you can get the best player at his position for a first round pick, you do it. If the problem is that you can just throw at our other corners, then the other corners are the problem, not Revis. Get better 2nd and 3rd corners, don’t get rid of the best. What kind of logic is that?
I’m all for piling on Schiano. He’s my least favorite coach we’ve ever had. He deserves a ton of the blame. However, getting Revis was one of his best moves. That is 100% on Lovie, period.
January 27th, 2015 at 1:02 pm
MARK DOMINIC SET THE MARKET FOR CORNER MAKING 13-16 MIL
January 27th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
@HawaiianBuc
I get your point but my point is bucs only did something like win the superbowl without the best cornerback in football. you think that’s why seattle won the championship because of Sherman? they won because they got good talent at value price….Sherman got his millions after winning a superbowl. I don’t think revis has ever been to a superbowl
January 27th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Can joe or anyone else who may know where to find the information show what other free agents out there the bucs could have had instead of the junk L & L got us, I know if we keep penn and the center we are already better than the crap on the field we put out there, I just want to know who else we could have possibly have grabbed at the same price tag instead of the crap they put out there
January 27th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
The Bucs did the right thing letting go of Revis who the hell wants to pay a zone CB $16 million c’mon Joe let Revis go..
January 27th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
With Josh McLovin at QB Revis wouldn’t have mattered. Bottom line they needed the $ to acquire more players. Granted the players acquired lick balls. Revis as good as he is would have never been the sole reason the YUCS got to a SB. If he was a QB, yes.
January 27th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Seattle has, being generous, 4 times as much top end talent as the Bucs. Considering Revis was one of the 3 guys we had in the elite, dumping him was pure idiocy. The Bucs are one of the worst rosters in the league talent wise. Jettisoning elite players for a team that has virtually none was idiotic then, even more idiotic when they signed a bunch of losers instead, and beyond idiotic now that Revis is again an All Pro. We are simply the Pats (and other teams) farm club. At least we got to see all these guys getting ready before they got to play real NFL football though.
January 27th, 2015 at 1:30 pm
Pete Carroll was talking last night about how he learned that a good coach has to adapt his scheme to best fit the players on his team. We had one of the top 3 defensive players in the league on our team and we let him walk because Lovie is too stupid to adapt. Can’t wait until Lovie is gone. What a moron.
January 27th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Agree and disagree
Were we a lot better with Revis? Hell ya! He cost us a lot of money but even more, he cost us a lot in the trade – which to me is more of a justification to have kept him.
As a franchise, if you trade a first round pick for him, you CANNOT release him a year later. I put that more on Dominik than Lovie. You don’t invest that much in a CORNER when you’re that far away from being able to even compete for this guy (1 year later we’re 11 players away).
January 27th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
@bucs4lyfe,
The Bucs won a Super Bowl 12 years ago. The game has changed tremendously from 12 years ago. No one can possibly argue that. As for Seattle, I could argue they absolutely won because of Sherman. Not sure if you saw the NFC Championship last year, but if Sherman doesn’t make that play, they lose the game. So yes, in my opinion they did win because of a CB. However, that isn’t the point. You win games by having good players, no matter the position. There’s more than one way to win a championship. You certainly don’t get rid of great players in their prime. That’s a formula no winning team follows. And for the record, Revis will be in the Super Bowl in 5 days, so you can’t say that for much longer (plus he’s been to 3 AFC Championships).
January 27th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
No one is saying Revis would have led us to a Super Bowl. Just because we aren’t going to win a Super Bowl doesn’t mean I don’t want the guy. I want to win games, which only happens when you have good players. By getting rid of good players, you win less games. I don’t like winning less games. Anybody following my logic???
January 27th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
The decision should’ve been simple for Lovie. If Revis was healthy and the Bucs had the cap space, which they did, you keep him. Lovie got rid of one of the best defensive players in football in exchange for a decent corner and, well, not much else. One of many bad decisions from Lovie this past offeseason. His mulligan year is in the rearview.
January 27th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
@Phil,
I don’t think they got rid of Revis because Lovie couldn’t adapt. Contrary to what most people believe, Lovie prefers playing man to man. The only time he wants to go zone is in third and long situations (which is when the Tampa 2 is at its best). He got rid of Revis because of the money, period. He got so cocky in his defensive coaching ability that he thought he could use that money to replace him with guys that he could coach up. It was a terrible mistake, and if he gets fired, this will be one of the biggest reasons why I can’t complain. He blew it big time on this one.
January 27th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
You guys – including Joe – saying what a bad idea it was to cut Revis are not operating within reality when it comes to the economics of fielding 53 players under a strict salary cap. This ain’t MLB where top players can just go to the highest bidder.
$16M per year – every year for a Cornerback is ridiculous. No CB in the league makes that or even close.
bucrightoff – saying “elite corners command $13-16 million a season. That’s the market” is such BS. Where are you coming up with that?
Revis made $12M on a one year deal with the Patriots and even that was overpaying.
The most accurate example we have of a CBs true worth in the NFL within a long term contract is the 6 year deal that Talib signed this year with Denver which averages $9.5M per year.
Dummynick never should have EVER signed Revis to such a ridiculous contract. It was just stupid and reeked of desperation.
If Revis would have agreed to restructure his deal and play for the Bucs for $12M per year – he would almost certainly still be a Buccaneer. I’m quite sure they asked him to do exactly that – and Revis said “Hell No – If I’m gonna play here in Tampa – then you are going to grossly overpay me”. Revis did not want to be here is the bottom line and the Bucs were smart not to overpay him by $5M per year every year just to keep him around on a rebuilding team.
BTW – the # for the 2nd option year if the Patriots were to keep Revis under his current deal is $25M for 2015 – Not $20M. The salary cap hit is $25M for 2015 – because $5M of his $10M signing bonus from this year carries over to 2015. So without a new long term contract – Revis costs the Patriots $25M against the salary cap in 2015 if they were to be so stupid as to keep him under the current deal. And if a new deal is not worked out and the Pats release him which they will if Revis is not reasonable with his salary demands – then they will release him and STILL have $5M in dead cap $ in 2015 as a result of their dalliance with the great Darrelle Revis.
SMH – he’s a very good CB – but he ain’t worth more than $10M per year.
Revis’ 2014 stats in 16 games are 47 tackles (41 solo), 2 Interceptions and 14 passes defended with 1 forced Fumble and 1 Fumble recovered. Does that sound like $16M worth of production? or even $12M?
Just for comparison Verner who averages $6.5M per year in his 4 year deal with the Bucs made 76 tackles (58 solo), 2 interceptions and 9 passes defended with 2 forced fumbles in 2014. That was in 14 games as he missed 2 with a tweaked hamstring.
January 27th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Before Revis
(2012)-Tampa Bay 7-9 (.438)
• Tampa Bay 32nd Pass Defense
With Revis ($16 Million Per Year + 1st & 4th Round Pick to the Jets)
(2013)-Tampa Bay 4-12 (.250)
• Tampa Bay 17th Pass Defense
After Revis
(2014)-Tampa Bay 2-14 (.125)
• Tampa Bay 28th Pass Defense
January 27th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Revis > Michael Johnson & Anthony Collins
I do believe Lovie was correct that Verner and a couple solid pieces is more valuable than one elite CB, it’s just incredibly unfortunate that we whiffed on these two FA’s.
And Joe, I hope you went with the Kiltlifter from Four Peaks. Fantastic local brew in the desert.
January 27th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
After Revis
(2014)-Tampa Bay 2-14 (.125)
• Tampa Bay 28th Pass Defense
WITH a new defense and players adjusting to each other…..paying revis 20mil makes all the sense in the world for a team like the patriots because playoff contender locks every year and don’t fall off the face of the map like the bucs have. did I want to keep revis yes but it makes no sense when your team isn’t very good it is a waste of money if your not a playoff team and your not getting playoff revenue.
@HawaiianBuc
I could argue that anyone could have made that play in the nfc championship last year that Sherman made based on the poor throw and ball placement, Sherman if famous for it because of the big mouth he has. leonard Johnson could have made that play.
you make some great points but your not gonna sit there and tell me a corner who plays to one side of a defense the entire year and doesn’t cover the best player on the field is the reason the seahawks went to the superbowl that’s just crazy talk and im not diminishing his skills because he is great but the whole world knows that EARL THOMAS is the REVIS of that defense and we’ll probably see that this weekend if he isn’t 100%
January 27th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
New England has to excersise Revis option before the beginning of the new league year. If they excersise it they owe him $20M for 1 year. Revis has the best agents in the league. Anyone else find it interesting that Revis’s deal was a 2-year $32M, he wants his $16M per year. If Pats lose they may have a chance to resign him…if he wants another shot at a ring. If they lose he will be playing for the highest bidder.
January 27th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
@Pickgrin,
You don’t know what went on behind closed doors. He signed a very risky contract with us, essentially a bunch of one year deals. Had he gotten hurt, he wouldn’t see any more money. He took just as big of a chance on us as we did on him. Why the hell should he re-negotiate? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Sherman and Peterson both make that $13-16M which you claim to be BS. Revis is at minimum in their category, but I believe he’s the best of the three.
Using stats is not always accurate when comparing CB’s. QB’s rarely even threw at Revis. He’s not going to put up big numbers when the ball is constantly thrown away from him. I promise you that if you ask every single QB, OC, and Head Coach, they’ll tell you the same.
January 27th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
@bucs4lyfe,
To say anyone, especially Leonard Johnson, could make that play is beyond ridiculous. The way he turned his hips at the last minute, located the ball, and made a play is something very few can do in the history of the game. Perhaps you should have paid more attention after the game to all the experts saying how fantastic of a play it was. Sherman’s numbers were insane last year, so saying he wasn’t a HUGE part of their success is just stupid (not saying you are stupid, but that analysis would be stupid). But again, the point was that CB’s can be that important in today’s NFL, where they probably weren’t 12 years ago. The game has changed.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
the leonard Johnson comment was complete sarcasm seeing as how I don’t understand how he’s not bagging groceries at the local publix because he damn sure can’t play football. but I wont back off of my comment that Sherman’s mouth got him paid more than his play…..earl Thomas is the quarterback of that defense period and he allows everyone in front of him to do the things they do, he’s quietly without a word became the best safety in the league and it’s much more easy to overcome playing the number 1 cornerback in the league on any given sunday but a safety is in on every pass since he patrol left right and center of the field. i’d pay pay a safety before I pay a guy who locks down a third of the field because he’s easily avoided like revis has been his career and revis has done what Sherman has done for longer and better seeing as he just takes the best receiver on the field and says I got him
January 27th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Sherman and Peterson both make that $13-16M which you claim to be BS.
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I stand corrected – Richard Sherman $12.2M in 2015
– Patrick Peterson $14.8M in 2015
Neither is worth it and I’m willing to bet they both don’t even get 1/2 way through their contracts before something changes and those #s come down.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
I completely disagree that a safety is more important than a shut down corner. Sherman got paid because he’s fantastic at his job. Players don’t get contracts because of their mouths. Now he probably got his endorsement deals as a result, but to say that a team like Seattle would be swayed by his mouth is silly. Think about it. Really? Come on, you’re better than that.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Letting revis go was beyond stupid. I don’t watch much bucs games living in VA but the games I saw Verner was beaten like a drum. The end of the debacle on Thursday night game when he was lined up in press coverage on a 4th string wide receiver and got toasted. Also beaten deep by A. Brown in the steelers game(could argue it was pass interference). I also saw Mike Jenkins get beat deep by Kelvin Benjamin. Playing cover 3 is basically playing man because if that qb goes deep down the sideline it’s 1 on 1 you better have somebody that can cover with great ball skills. Can you say Revis?
January 27th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
Joe … the simple answer to the Boston writer would have been, “the Patriots are always in it while the Bucs needed at least 10-12 improved players to even sniff the playoffs. Why would the Bucs keep a high priced player when they have SO many needs on this team?”
January 27th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
“WITH a new defense and players adjusting to each other…..paying revis 20mil makes all the sense in the world for a team like the patriots…”
Sure – if they had the cap space – which they don’t. They are already over the cap by a few $M before next year has even started.
So lets see –
Brady makes $14M
Gronk makes $9M
Wilfork makes $8.5M
Amendola makes $5.7M
Edelman males $4.5M
So guess they should just cut 3 of those 5 players and keep Revis for $20M ($25M against the cap)
This was the same dilemma the Bucs faced and would continue to face every single year they were paying $16M to a single player whose position is about the 6th most important on the field. They did the right thing in getting away immediately from a bad deal that Dominick NEVER should have made.
Revis will not be a Patriot next year unless he’s willing to play for well less than $16M.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
@Pickgrin,
You are looking at things from an elementary level. First of all, Brady restructured his deal, which will give them more cap room (restructured, not took less money. big difference). There are other guys that won’t be back (not those guys you listed). Bottom line, if a team wants a player back, they will get it done. This mirage of a salary cap casualty is just that. Teams can get very creative. Don’t fool yourself.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
lol your right I am better than that but you have your opinion and that’s cool…you and I usually are on the same sides of the coin but not this time
my last point on it is are revis and Sherman worth the money they make? absolutely but worth it for the bucs not with the way the roster was constructed. darelle revis would have made just as much of an impact as GMC one of the best d lineman in the game wasn’t even 1st team all defense after getting a max contract. McCoy is a monster but he’s an individual hes good but not making other players good and he’s the leader. you think revis cares about helping other players get better because it doesn’t really matter it takes talent and you heard all year about what our corners were getting by watching revis work and none of that translated into improvement in the OTHER corners….only the quarterback and safety make other better
January 27th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
“Neither is worth it and I’m willing to bet they both don’t even get 1/2 way through their contracts before something changes and those #s come down.”
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What exactly are you willing to bet? It’s easy to say you’ll bet anything when you are anonymous on the internet. You don’t even take the time to look up how much of the contract is guaranteed. You just have no clue, which is pretty funny because you are trying like hell to look like you do.
Another thing you don’t seem to understand is that the market goes up each year. So does the salary cap. The market changes, and will continue to change. $16 M in a few years will be a bargain.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
$7 mill tops in my book, and really, we didn’t even get $1 mill worth of work from him.
January 27th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
@bucs4lyfe,
Yeah, I see what you are saying, but it still boils down to you don’t get rid of elite players in their prime. I don’t care if he’s a punter, you just don’t do it. What you do is get better players around them and stop worrying about the great players. Leave them alone.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Funny how so many of our fans, who have apparently gotten brainwashed with al this losing, are putting a price tag on player’s worth. Seriously? You are making things way too complicated. You get as many great players as you possibly can. You keep the great ones and move on from the crappy ones. Very simple. Putting a price tag on Revis is so stupid. We had 2 pro bowlers, then lost one. And guess what, we had one this year. Yeah, that was a fantastic move. You guys are geniuses.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
We could also get rid of McCoy and bring in 4 more average to below average starters for next year. Then we can get rid of Vincent Jackson for a 5th rounder. If we act now, we could get a 2nd for Mike Evans too, because he’s going to demand way too much money in a few years. Oh man, I almost forgot about Lavonte David. He didn’t have any INT’s last year, so he’s definitely not worth his contract. He’s a goner.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
hey joe its always chase for pinhead jamies huh let it go! dude wow!!!!!!
January 27th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
There is absolutely no way anyone on here can convince me it was a good decision to get rid of Revis. Think of whatever BS excuses you want, but it’s just that. We were 2-14 last year, so obviously this was one of many mistakes. My issue is that this was the easiest to avoid. It’s so elementary, and it really scares me for the future of our team that our leaders didn’t know any better. What’s even crazier is that even in hindsight, many of you still are crazy enough to believe it was the right decision. I guess getting our arses handed to us by 2nd and 3rd string QB’s isn’t obvious enough for you. SMDH
January 27th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Wasn’t it not that long ago Joe was bashing craft beer?
January 27th, 2015 at 4:24 pm
Franchise Tags based off the average of the top 5 salaries:
Linebacker: $11.455 million
Cornerback: $11.834 million
Top CB salaries for 2014:
Player Team Cap Value Cash Spent
Brandon Carr Cowboys $12,217,000 $7,500,000
Joe Haden Browns $12,127,895 $22,878,193
Johnathan Joseph Texans $11,250,000 $7,500,000
Tramon Williams Packers $9,500,000 $7,500,000
Leon Hall Bengals $8,700,000 $6,900,000
January 27th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
This is for 2015
Player – Team – Cap Value – Cash Spent
Darrelle Revis – Patriots – $25,000,000 – $20,000,000
Patrick Peterson – Cardinals- $14,791,200 – $11,719,114
Brandon Carr – Cowboys – $12,717,000 – $8,000,000
Johnathan Joseph – Texans -$12,250,000 – $8,500,000
Richard Sherman – Seahawks – $12,200,000 – $10,000,000
January 27th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
@Skyline Crew,
It’s convenient that you are leaving out signing bonuses for everyone except Revis, don’t you think? So you’re going to put $10M for Sherman, but not include his $11M signing bonus? Oh, okay, got it. And I guess Peterson’s $15M signing bonus doesn’t count either? However, you had no problem counting Revis’s signing bonus. Hmmmm. So signing bonuses only count when it helps prove whatever point you’re trying to make? Got it.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
You guys are making as if Revis is head and shoulders over all the other CB’s in the league in regard to pay. Keep on twisting things around guys, because I’m just going to keep calling you on your BS.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
@Pickgrin,
You are looking at things from an elementary level… Bottom line, if a team wants a player back, they will get it done. This mirage of a salary cap casualty is just that. Teams can get very creative. Don’t fool yourself.
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Sure they can get “creative” – but there is always a price to pay at a later date for that “creativity”. That’s exactly what happened to the Bucs post Super Bowl. It happens to a lot of teams that mortgage the future to take advantage of having a good # of high priced players on your roster today.
There’s no way the Patriots can absorb a $25M cap hit in 2015 for 1 player (Revis) under his current deal – and if he won’t re-negotiate for less – and/or they don’t pick up this ridiculous 2nd year “option” – and wind up having to release Revis – they will still have $5M counting against their salary cap for 2015 while Revis is playing for another team. How creative…..
January 27th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
@Skyline Crew,
It’s convenient that you are leaving out signing bonuses for everyone except Revis, don’t you think? So you’re going to put $10M for Sherman, but not include his $11M signing bonus? Oh, okay, got it. And I guess Peterson’s $15M signing bonus doesn’t count either? However, you had no problem counting Revis’s signing bonus. Hmmmm. So signing bonuses only count when it helps prove whatever point you’re trying to make? Got it.
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I’m just posting what the site said. http://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/ If those years don’t include signing bonuses then they don’t include them. These aren’t the full contracts you know that right? That is just for that one year.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
@Skyline Crew,
This is a perfect example of why you do a little research. It’s also an example of how you can get creative with how you pay players.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
@Pickgrin,
Well, reports are saying they are either going to sign him to a new deal, or they will pay it. They aren’t going to let him walk because they know that you don’t do that.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
Also Hawaiian Buc,
What point was I trying to prove by posting what their cap value was? I think you are directing your anger at the wrong person.
Another thing, everyone’s signing bonus is included. Peterson’s is prorated. Maybe you should look at people’s contracts before questioning what I post. I put some of the info for you, but I don’t think you understand contracts like you think you do. Everyone’s is different.
Darrelle Revis signed a two year, $32 million contract with the New England Patriots on March 12, 2014. The contract contains $11.5 million in guarantees, comprised of a $10 million signing bonus and a $1.5 million base salary in 2014. The Patriots have until the final day of the 2014 League Year to exercise an option for the 2015 season. If exercised a $12 million roster bonus is available in 2015. Revis has $500,000 in per game active roster bonuses. Base salaries of the contract are $1,500,000(2014) and $7,500,000(2015).
CB Patrick Peterson signed a five year, $70.05 million contract extension with the Arizona Cardinals on July 30, 2014. Peterson had two years remaining on his contract at the time of signing.
Peterson received $16.25 million fully guaranteed, of which $15,361,866 is in the form of a signing bonus, that is prorated over five years. Petersons 2015 and 2016 base salaries are guaranteed for injury only and will vest as fully guaranteed salaries on the 5th day of the waiver period of each respective year. Peterson’s 2017 base salary is also guaranteed for injury only and $5 million will become fully guaranteed if on the roster the 5th day of the 2016 waiver period with the remaining $4.75 million becoming fully guaranteed on the the 5th day of the 2017 waiver period. $630,866 of his 2018 salary for injury only. If Peterson is on the Cardinals roster the 5th day of the 2017 waiver period he will earn an additional $4.75 million in full guarantees. The contract contains annual workout bonuses of $250,000 and a reporting bonus of $250,000 in 2020.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
@Skyline Crew,
This is a perfect example of why you do a little research. It’s also an example of how you can get creative with how you pay players.
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I think it is you that needs to do the research. Signing bonus was prorated over 5 years for Peterson so you don’t count it up front like you were doing. Sorry, but facts are facts and I posted them. You didn’t like them.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
I’m with TBBF…nothing we can do about it now. Next!
January 27th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
So let’s see, the Bucs went from winning 4 games to winning 2. Many of our games we lost was due to terrible coverage in the secondary. The Patriots went from the AFC Championship loss to playing in the Super Bowl. They just so happened to completely destroy the top passing QB in the NFL in the process. How much Revis is responsible is completely up for debate, but bottom line is he is an all-pro and they are in the Super Bowl. You can apply opinions all day long, but the results can’t be debated.
January 27th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 27th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
You don’t even take the time to look up how much of the contract is guaranteed. You just have no clue, which is pretty funny because you are trying like hell to look like you do.
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I did look it up which is exactly why I made the statement.
If the Seahawks wanted to get away from Sherman’s deal following the 2016 season, they could cut him and incur a $6.6M cap hit over 2 years as opposed to paying out the remaining $27M of his contract.
If the Cardinals wanted to get away from Patrick Peterson’s deal following the 2016 season, they could cut him and incur a $9.1M cap hit over 2 years as opposed to paying out the remaining $50M of his contract.
So I’d say I have more of a “clue” than you do Hawaiian. Thanks for the attempt at demeaning my knowledge though…
January 27th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
@Skyline Crew,
First of all, I’m not angry with you. Look, I don’t have time to preface everything I say with nice fluffy words so I don’t hurt peoples feelings. You guys are just going to have to toughen up a little.
Second, I understand exactly how contracts work. But you are posting numbers to try to convince people that Revis is getting far more money than everyone else, when in fact he isn’t. It’s all about the way the contracts are structured, but bottom line is how much money they are making. He is working on short deals which are going to have bigger salary cap hits versus a long term deal which can be twisted and turned to benefit the cap better. For example, you can have guys making $500K in year one, then $15M in year 2, $25M in year 3, etc. By your logic, that player would be a bargain, when in fact he’s going to get crazy paid later on, or maybe he got a huge signing bonus. I know exactly what you are trying to do, and so do you.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
So I assume all the “We should have gotten rid of Revis and got 5 parts instead” crowd are also advocating to trade down from #1 and get a bevy of picks right? Probably not. Stranger yet is Revis, even at $16 million, is proven elite. A #1 picked QB is about 50/50 to bust. The only teams the Bucs are in contention with are Oakland, Jacksonville and the Jets for least talented rosters in the NFL. Elite players shouldn’t be told to take a hike, not like they grow on trees or something.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
@Pickgrin,
Of course they can walk away from the deal. We could (and did) walk away from the Revis deal too! What the hell is your point? How much guaranteed money did he sign for? Read my statement a couple times more if you still don’t see my point. It’s all about the guaranteed money!!! Simple economics. Can’t help you if you don’t get it.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
@Hawaiian
You are barking up the wrong tree with this one. I’m not trying to make anything look any way. Revis will be the highest paid CB next year. That is fact. He wasn’t even in the top 5 this year. I’m sorry you don’t like it, but with him taking short contracts he is essentially being paid much better than CBs who take a 4-5 year deal.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
I think many of you don’t understand why players and teams like to work out long term deals to players they have in their long term plans. For example, if the Lions franchise Suh, he’s going to fetch over $20M. They don’t want to pay that. From Suh’s standpoint, if he were to get seriously hurt, that would be the last money he ever sees. It doesn’t really benefit either. If a team signs him long term, they can spread that money around in lots of different ways, not to mention the fact that the salary cap and market will grow as the years go on.
So by Revis signing these short term deals, he’s going to have huge cap numbers. He’s also taking a huge risk. He’s not necessarily making more money than his peers.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
@Skyline Crew,
If that’s all you are trying to prove, then fine. My point from the beginning is that we should have kept him, and we weren’t paying him some ridiculous amount that no other team would ever do. Lovie and Licht absolutely screwed it up, and there is absolutely no excuse for it. To be honest, I really don’t even give a sh!t if they paid him twice as much as the next CB, because we just don’t have enough good players to be giving them away like we did.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
I’ll do better for you Hawaiian. The top 5 FULL Contracts based off of AVG/PER YEAR for CBs are:
Revis
Peterson
Sherman
Haden
Carr
Again, Revis is up there because he does short contracts worth a lot of money. He is smart because he wants money and I don’t have a problem with that. It seems you think he isn’t making as much money as everyone else when in reality he is making more.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
It was a foolish signing by Dominik, but at least he got him for no guaranteed cash. Not only was Revis not used correctly in Schiano’s conservative zone coverage, but Revis was never 100%, and we’ll never know what would’ve happened this year, but Revis is not who he used to be.
His release was even more asinine. And for what? To sign bums like Collins, Johnson, EDS, and McClown? Verner was alright, but he was signed to be a shut down corner, instead he was a run stopper this year.
The 1 year rental of Revis will go down as one of the most idiotic transactions in Bucs history. The sad part is two different regimes managed to have a hand in it. Schiano and the Teflon Dom overpaid for him, and Liar and his Lapdog cut him loose for scraps and a ham sandwich.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
@MariotaorWinstonOrWalkdaPlank,
You’re joking right? Schiano’s conservative zone coverage????? Uh, you do realize that Schiano literally ran the exact opposite type defense right? Conservative zone, lol. That’s a good one.
As for him not being what he used to be, how do you figure? Is it his all-pro season that makes you feel that way? Was it his complete shut down of AJ Green, among others. You obviously didn’t watch him play one game this season. As a result, do you really think you should be saying what Revis is or isn’t??
I do, however, agree with your last 2 paragraphs. But the first one should have never been written.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
@Skyline Crew,
I don’t even really think we are arguing. I’m not saying he’s not getting paid, but he’s not getting paid so much more than his peers, as has been suggested. I promise you neither Sherman or Peterson would take Revis’s deal over theirs.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
Revis did not play much man coverage at all while he was a Buc. People wouldn’t shut up about it when he was here.
As for not being what he used to be, which is the best corner in the game, IMO he surely is NOT. Shutting down a hobbled AJ Green is hardly an accomplishment. He’s still a damn good corner, just not the best IMO.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
As the season wore on, they played pretty much exclusively man. In the beginning, there was some zone, but it sure as hell wasn’t conservative. Not when they are blitzing on every play.
He shut down virtually everybody he faced all season. What the hell are you talking about? He was first team all-pro!!!! What more do you want? Again, you obviously didn’t see him play, but whatever.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
The only thing wrong with the strategy is Collins and Johnson didn’t pull their weight. The strategy was sound.
What was not sound was paying Reavis 16 mill, he’s making 12 mill now plus all of those Massachusetts income taxes. Plus we gave away a one and two pick for him which was stupid.
Don.t blame you buddy Dummynick? I think not.
If Reavis won’t take a renegotiated contract, a I doubt Brady will still keep having his rewritten. Then you really will have a problem.
January 27th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
There is no such thing as a sound strategy that requires getting rid of an elite player in his prime. The only way it could have worked would have been if both Collins and Johnson were both All-pros. Did you really think that was even possible?
I don’t blame Dominik at all. Nor do I blame Schiano. They made the right decision. This one is on Lovie and Licht. And for the record, I couldn’t stand Schiano, and I still support Lovie. But this is the one move I still haven’t gotten over (obviously by my 100 posts).
January 27th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Worst trade in Franchise History-Revis never did anything special — except cost the Bucs $16 million–A 1st & 4th round pick.
We were fleeced, while the Jets walked away w/ NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Sheldon Richardson.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
@HawaiianBuc
You can spin this sh#t however you want to bruh. But there’s no way in hell, you give all that up for player coming off a catastrophic knee injury (especially a corner). Dom did and his gone, and of story.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
*Dom did and his gone, end of story.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
he’s
January 27th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
@LUVMYBUCS,
So are you trying to say Revis can’t play anymore? So he was a first team all-pro CB (the leading vote getter, ahead of Sherman) because he can’t play? Where’s the spin? Not following your logic.
He had a torn ACL, which is no longer a catastrophic injury. Obviously it isn’t what you want, but had he not tore it, he never would have been available in the first place. But a torn ACL isn’t career ending anymore. It hasn’t been for a really long time. There are guys that have torn all 3 ligaments in their knees and came back the next year. This is one of the few things Dominik did right.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
I swear Joe does these Revis articles especially for HawaiianBuc.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
I love how people claiming he isn’t as good, yet also can’t explain why he’s a first team all-pro. If it was pro bowl, they would say it’s a popularity contest, but they can’t say jack sh!t about all-pro. I know many are scouring the internet looking for any kind of evidence that he had a bad season this year. I wish you the best of luck. While you’re at it, you should try to get a picture of bigfoot humping an alien.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
“I swear Joe does these Revis articles especially for HawaiianBuc.”
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LMAO. Probably so. And I fall for it every single time.
But don’t feel left out. I’m pretty sure the Jameis watch articles are for you.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
No offense to Sheldon Richardson, nice player, but Revis is going to the HOF someday. Revis is almost certainly going to end up better than any player from that 2013 draft. I mean look at that draft…it’s terrible. Richardson probably goes #1 overall in the re-draft, because virtually everyone else in the first round is mediocre.
January 27th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Per:HawaiianBuc
Not at all, but I can guarantee that, once you lose muscle memory–that knee will NEVER be the same.
Ask any NFL player–here and now, a knee injury can be career-ending. They would rather you go for that head, instead of that knee.
January 27th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
@LUVMYBUCS,
First of all, I highly dispute that. I have a friend I played college basketball with who tore his ACL’s 5 times. He’s now 36 years old and can dunk every bit as good as he could before his first. Oh yeah, and he’s 5’8″. So I don’t buy that for a second. But I agree that for some it can be hard to recover, because the rehab is a mofo.
Revis is a first team all-pro. If you judge by votes, he is the top corner in the league. Off the top of your head, how many first team all-pro guys do we have on the Bucs? So I’ll take a “never will be the same” Revis , aka first team all-pro, over the guys on our roster. But hey, we won two games this year, so obviously we made the right decision, right?
January 27th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
@HawaiianBuc
*Marcus Lattimore
(Hurts my soul to know that, this young man–won’t play of Sundays)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTEUD8if1wY
January 27th, 2015 at 7:34 pm
Lattimore had much more than a ACL. Come on, you know that. But it really does suck.
January 27th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Per: Former TE Tony Gonzalez
January 27th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
I’m not arguing that a player would rather be hit in the knees. For like the 20th time, how is Revis doing this year? We f-ed up by getting rid of him. You can try to alter reality all you want, but the truth is we messed up.
January 27th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
By the way, the average NFL career is less than 3 years, so keep that in perspective.
January 27th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
It’s been a lot of fun guys, but I’m done with this until tomorrow. Not one person has given one shred of good reasoning as to why we got rid of him. I’ve become bored with people trying to come up with ridiculous reasonings as to why it was a good move, especially when we were 2-14 and Revis is playing on Sunday. And oh yeah, he just so happens to be the top CB in the NFL. That is fact.