“He Ain’t Worth No Damn $10 Million”
January 5th, 2015
Joe’s “V-Drops” nickname for Vincent Jackson comes approved by a former Buccaneer.
While former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) thinks Josh McCown would be “just fine” with a decent offensive line to play with, Beckles thinks Tampa Bay has an easier offseason decision with Vincent Jackson, who is due to be paid eight figures next season.
“Vincent Jackson, this year, he got his 1,000 yards, but he ain’t worth no damn $10 million dropping that many balls. He dropped a lot of footballs this year,” Beckles said.
Speaking on his WDAE-AM 620 show last week, Beckles offered various breakdowns of the Bucs’ offense.
Beckles went on to assign “35 percent” of the blame for the Bucs’ miserable offense to McCown. He said a majority of blame falls on the regime for putting Marcus Arroyo in a job he couldn’t handle — and not getting him help.
As for V-Jax, Joe agrees with Beckles; Jackson is not worth $10 million. However, the Bucs are in no position to ditch good football players. If they have to overpay Jackson a few million bucks, then so be it.
Enjoy more of Beckles’ take below, via the 620wdae.com audio player.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
This is America……the land of the free and Capitalism….still exists (barely)….
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So…Vjax is worth exactly what he has a contract for….or whatever he agrees to with us or another team.
We hold the keys here….we can find a younger reciever that is better for the same, more or less money….we can keep Vjax and pay him or we can trade him/cut him or restructure him.
I vote for restructure because I think he has at least two good years in the tank…
January 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
So the hell what if he isn’t worth $10M? We have anybody even remotely close to his skill set we can replace him with? Anybody as durable as him? The thought of getting rid of Jackson absolutely blows my freaking mind, and I am going to hold on to hope that we aren’t really THAT stupid.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
he aint worth 7 million.
trade him for a 4th if there’s a better free agent with speed.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
I dunno joe. There’s some stud wrs out there. If they get to the market, I’d rather have Dez or Demaryius…and probably rather have Cobb….
January 5th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I think his value goes well beyond just on field production. We need him at least one more year to continue to groom Evans into a true professional. Another good WR in the 2nd or 3rd round to groom into Evans’ #2 would be a smart move to learn from a vet like Jackson.
Agree with Joe, no need to get rid of good players, especially with the cap room we’ll have next year.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I would also argue with this: He was worth more than $10M per year for his first two years here. Should we have paid him more? Of course not. You put this guy on a team with a real QB and I guarantee you he has 1400 yards and 8 TD’s. Mark that down, save it, and bring it back up if he is gone. Seriously, how many guys do we have to get rid of (or trade) before we understand this concept? I am simply blown away that we still have some fans stupid enough to still think we can pull this off????!!!!!!
January 5th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
He’s worth about $5-6m IMO, though I reside with the keep and overpay if need be bunch.
The drops were an issue but he was playing with a fractured wrist for a spell right?
January 5th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Sure…get rid VJax and watch Evans get triple-teamed and his stats take a dive. Then stupid fans here will call him a bust and want to ship him out too.
The fans for this team are completely dumb.
We tried releasing an expensive star player last year in exchange for 3 mediocre players. Where did that get us?
Stupid.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Hawaiian, agree, well put.
We finally get a FA who has been rock solid and people want a 4th rounder in trade and a rookie to take his place? No, no, no!
January 5th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
The BUCS have to overpay ANY free agent just to get him to come here!
January 5th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
David Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Sure…get rid VJax and watch Evans get triple-teamed and his stats take a dive. Then stupid fans here will call him a bust and want to ship him out too.
The fans for this team are completely dumb.
We tried releasing an expensive star player last year in exchange for 3 mediocre players. Where did that get us?
Stupid.
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So Lovie didn’t want Revis and that’s because the fans are stupid?
January 5th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
Trading or cutting him just means opening up more money to be thrown down the toilet getting FAs who won’t work out. Rather keep VJax then chase more future FA busts. VJax isn’t perfect but he’s worth pretty much what we gave every FA last year combined because we know he shows up and plays at a high level.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
I’m all for keeping Jackson….but it’s always “What is the alternative?”
How about Maclin & Bryant for $5mil each?……I know, not a chance….but the point being made is unless we can do better…..do nothing!!!
January 5th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
My arse he’s not worth it.. Without vjax, Evans doesn’t have the year he did. Bucs are in no position to get rid of a top player even if he might be the number 2 reviewer. No need to create more holes than we already have. I’m sure he’d be willing to restructure with more guaranteed money.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Fight the devil you know…it is easier than fighting the devil you don’t know!
VJax is a damn good WR, a hard worker by all accounts, and a pillar in the community…there are too many WRs that bring too much baggage with them (Prima donnas), so we are good to keep VJax.
Also, I am not sure Evans is ready to be a #1 just yet.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
drops=drive killers
i don’t care if he had 1000 yards.
all the good teams know when to cut bait.
would billicheat keep him for 10 mill with all those drops. I think we all know the answer there. he would trade him to the bucs. lol
January 5th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Meh. The drops are over-exaggerated. For every drop he has he has made a great catch for. Sure, you could argue that he is overpaid but I could ake that argument for virtually every player on this team. Cutting V Jax is a mistake.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
It ain’t your money that is paying him, so who cares how much he makes. The question is who replaces him, Louis Murphy? Keep Jackson and pay the man.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
He did play with a broken wrist. That should account for some of the drops.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
With all the new rules for pass interference, it is easier than ever for the fast/speedy receiver running free down field. To have 2 big/tall jump ball receiver is about as useful as a having 2 old school Full backs! If the Bucs can get a low 3rd or 4th round pick for VJ, L&L will jump at that. Due to his high price contract and age, it might be a 5th rounder with a conditional pick tied to production.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
I don’t know if there is a stat on this…..but it seems that almost all of our touchdown passes are passes that are caught in the endzone….not in the field of play then run into the endzone.
What I’m saying is the neither of our recievers has breakaway type speed….so we absolutely need an investment in the 3rd WR & hopefully Sims will develop.
We don’t have ‘speed in space”….
Now one huge benefits to Mariota is him throwing the ball to himself….he has the kind of speed to outrun many…..
January 5th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Ian Beckles is a negative Buc hater. He’s picking Winston over Mariota too which only streghthens that Mariota is the right pick.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
As I see it…
His drops are NOT being over exaggerated. But are they enough for the BUCS to be concerned? No. If anything, playing on this team, he is under-valued. A lot of teams would not pay him $10mil with his drops, but on this team, he is still king of the hill. The Bucs can get a ‘good’ WR for less, but will they fit in? Will they be a good example/mentor? With the season that Evans just had, opposing DCs will no longer ignore him, so his production is likely to go down. With a new receiver on the other side, I doubt that Evans would ever be alone again. That, my friends would not be good.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
” He ain’t worth no 10 bucks an hour”…Says unnamed janitor at 620WDAE and entire listening audience regarding Angry Ian in the Montreal Expo Costume…
January 5th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
anyone see ty hilton for the colts?, aj green??
thats what we need, someone who can take the top off of a defense. that is if we have a qb who can deliver it…which we don’t. either way, we’re not going to the SB next year. they need to be stockpiling picks and signing all the mid 20’s guys with upside. play for plan for 2016 with a respectable 2015. which means evans taking over the number one and getting speed and a QB and fixing the line. hopefully by mid-late 2015 they gel. otherwise…yeah, let’s play for 2015 and be screwed in 2016. probably what lovie will do to save his job.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
One of the reasons we are as bad as we are. We think we are the New England patriots and can place fair market value on free agents.
There is no reason to rid ourselves of Vjax. Although he has had some drops, he remains a legit threat, particularly down the field. There is a reason teams wanted Vjax at trade time.
If Vjax goes, Mike Evans regresses, and receives excessive amounts of attention, stifling our passing game.
This would be foolish beyond words and such a bucs move. He would be scooped up by New England for cheap, him and Brady would put up huge numbers, message boards would erupt in disgust.
We stink, pay him, keep him here, he only makes us better. Besides, does anyone really trust Lovie/Licht to find FA worth whatever they free up by ditching Vjax? Lol@getting rid of Vjax.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
So Joe, You’re saying it’s okay to cut a Productive 1,000 yard receiver…
That makes no sense at all!
Like others have said cutting Jackson would allow teams to constantly double, or triple team Mike Evans, Which in turn would hurt his stats in 2015.
Vincent Jackson has been nothing but productive since he’s been here in Tampa Bay, Who are we going to replace him with that’s cheaper?
Sure V -Jackson won’t take the top of the defenses like a burner would, but I’m willing to bet he could be productive for another 2-3 years, Heck we got production out of Ike Hillard, and Galloway and they were both older than V-Jackson.
Out of 461 Receivers who caught a pass in 2014 Vincent Jackson finished Ranked 23rd in NFL in total Yards, and He was responsible for 50 1st down receptions.
RK PLAYER TEAM REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G FUM YAC 1DN
23 Vincent Jackson, WR TB 70 143 1,002 14.3 2 50 12 62.6 1 164 50
You, and Ian Beckles are clearly wrong in this case!
JMO.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
If anything Find a burner for the slot, who can take the top off of opposing defense in the draft….
I’m sure on could be picked up later in the draft for much cheaper.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
“drops=drive killers
i don’t care if he had 1000 yards.
all the good teams know when to cut bait.
would billicheat keep him for 10 mill with all those drops. I think we all know the answer there. he would trade him to the bucs. lol”
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I’m not saying you’re an idiot, but your statements are idiotic. Exactly how many drops were critical? You think that drop in Atlanta on third down, down 35-0 was the difference in the game? He’s caught 3 game winning TD’s for us in 3 years (and it’s not like we’ve won that many games, so that’s quite a bit)!!!!! He’s come up big in soooo many games, yet you’re going to nitpick on him dropping a couple balls here and there? GTFOH with that!
Funny, Bellicheck didn’t mind paying Revis $16M either, now did he? I’m assuming you stood on the side that Revis wasn’t worth it either. How’s he doing up there anyway? Thought so.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
we are in no position to cut a 1k+ yards WR. This is insane reasoning.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
@HawaiianBuc
No, Billicheat would not keep VJ. He would trade him to a lowly team for a third round pick and fleece a good player out of the trade!
January 5th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
free agents cost money so who is out there that will replace him that will cost less? it’s called developing players the bucs should try it…we’ll never be good if you cant draft and develop players at the skill positions because they cost too much…..if they did cut him they better do it for someone a hell of a lot better than mike evans
January 5th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
This team’s least concern should be a productive leader of a receiver who drops a few balls! If he were the ONLY issue keeping them from the playoffs, then maybe but far bigger fish to fry here. Maybe if he had a consistent QB, who didn’t throw like a shotgun blast, he’d drop fewer passes.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Overpaying via free agency is the price that teams pay for bad drafting. Pay up, Bucs.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
I think what boggles my mind is that Joe thought that “Rehab Revis”, who played awful, was worth $16,000,000.00 a year, (a million dollars a game), but a 1000 yard receiver, who yes, had some drop issues, but remained valuable to our offense, is not worth the last year of his contract at 10 mil, which is 6 mil less than Revis, with still enough for another quality player. Don’t figure… again Joe trying his damned best to run off any semblance of play makers we have. Please, back-off of VJax.
Work on your reading skills, and let’s not make stuff up or you’ll be banned again. Revis proved again this season that he is a Hall of Famer, a guy that’s a gamechanger. Joe wasn’t a big fan of ditching anyone of that quality. Funny how the Bucs’ defense and pass defense was significantly worse this season. Oh, and the team won half as many games.–Joe
January 5th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
“If anything Find a burner for the slot, who can take the top off of opposing defense in the draft….
I’m sure on could be picked up later in the draft for much cheaper.”
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Really? You think you can just “pick up” a burner for the slot? As if it’s that easy. I’ll give you hindsight from last year’s draft, what “burner in the slot” was available late in the draft that can “take the top off of defenses”? It’s hilarious how you make as if that’s an easy thing to do! How many “burners that play the slot and can take the top off the defenses” have we had in the entire history of our franchise? While we’re at it, we should pick up an all-pro QB late in the draft too. And maybe some great O-Lineman too. Hell, while we’re at it, let’s just grab a shut down corner. What are some of you people smoking today?
January 5th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Catching 70 balls and 1000 yards with this garbage passing offense that’s great. He was even better the past 2 years. He earned the money and I think he’s in the final year of his contract. Looks like a great deal for both parties. This guy is a top notch wr. Your not going to get that with a 4 th rd pick. Finally, I’m starting to think players shouldn’t play hurt. What’s the point you get criticized if you play bad and you put your career at risk. Bad move by vjax playing hurt..
January 5th, 2015 at 4:13 pm
@everyone
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks we should get rid of him should be banned from anything football. And I’ll say you are an absolute moron if you think we should get rid of him.
JUST STUPID TO EVEN TALK ABOUT. what does beckels know anyway. Just because you played doesn’t mean you know any more than anyone else. So his words are as about as empty as my wallet.
We have the money to keep him and no one to replace him with.
And who are these idiots that think we are going to get dez? Or even Cobb for that matter. The bucs NEED v-jax and it shouldn’t even be on the table.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Oh please, it’s not like the Bucs are going to have to file bankruptcy for giving VJax $10 mil. Bucs always have plenty spending money each year and the Glazer boys got deep pockets.
Mike Evans will be PRAYING for a Vjax return, I’ll tell you that much.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
According to this: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/
V-Jax only had 4 dropped passes this year. Last year was kinda rough but he didn’t have a chance to catch most of the balls thrown to him this year, much less drop them.
Gotta hold on to the guy, aside from the on-field production you can tell he is one of the actual leaders on this team. Pay the man and trim cap space elsewhere if it becomes a concern.
These stats are not accurate. –Joe
January 5th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
Have to keep him for another year. Need some veteran leadership on this team.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
When they limit how much can be spent, and you have so many HOLES on offense (AND you will need to sign the overall number one pick of the draft…in every round)…you better bet that EVERY player who is NOT performing to his contract – will be eliminated – especially the expensive player(s).
V-Drops is gone, and he AIN’T worth $10 MILLION. After you add an entire offensive line, and RDE…it would be nice to pick up a burner at WR to compliment that BEAST Mike Evans…
January 5th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
if we keep vjax it’s only to buy lovie another year, just like he thought he could do with mcclown.
lovie is 2 steps behind the curve. as is licht for that matter.
thanks for mankins. and ASJ turned out to be a stud didn’t he. and where’s our 4th round pick?
they’ll keep vjax imo, but I would rather the billicheat method.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
@Robert
I watched TY drop a TD pass and a pass that would have set up a first and goal. There may have been one or two more in that game by TY….and that was just 1 game. All the receivers you’ve mentioned and most of the #1 receivers have drops. It happens.
P.S. V-Jax drops are being over-exaggerated. He’s had 4 or 5 drops maybe. That’s not an excessive number. I like everything V-Jax brings to the table. Sure, see if the guy will re-structure but do not cut him or trade him. Please do not do this. It will be another in a long list of player evaluation fails in the Bucs organization over the last 5 years.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
you guys touting 1000 yards forget it was $hitty a$$ QB play who only see’s 2 WR’s.
thats why his numbers were good. another QB would have spread the ball around more. not saying he would not get 1k yards in new england…just that him and evans were the only ones who got looks based on what i saw.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
@Robert9,
How can you seriously judge ASJ after one year? Do you even know how stupid that sounds? Did you take a bottle full of stupid pills this morning when you woke up?
January 5th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
trade him while he still has value. the rest of the points are null and void.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
@Robert9,
So now you’ve changed your logic to he got 1000 yards BECAUSE the QB play is so terrible? Wow, you are really making yourself look dumber and dumber with every post. My goodness, some people truly are helpless.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
hawaiin…back of the stupid talk. no need for it. I am not throwing stones.
these are opinions. and I have made more than my share of correct calls since visiting this site for the last 2 years.
most of them in fact.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
let’s compare calls hawaiian…….
tell me your predictions that came to fruition
January 5th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Need his veteran leadership on the team and to groom Evans some more. It is a no brainer. We really only have 2 receivers. Do we plan on drafting 2 receivers in this draft to fill positions.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
a few of mine off the top of my head.
Freeman – I said he should be benched before anyone on here. the 1st game of the season when it was obvious he did not care
Nicks – same with him. I said well before anyone else he would not set foot on the field again.
The Mankins trade – I hated it from the start
there’s more, your up
January 5th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
It is what it is. Who the hell are the YUCS going to replace him with. Murphy, Herron, Shepard…. Might as well bring back Maurice Stovall, or Jacquez Green, how about Karl “the truth” Williams. He’s not worth the 10 million but they aren’t going to get a better PRO in every sense of the word on the market.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Wow, really? Those were some bold predictions. Boy, you’re a regular Nostradamus ! How could I ever compete with that? When are you going to take your talents to the GM office? And on top of that, you are a medic? Wow, amazing, amazing, amazing.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
How predictable. Before I even clicked on the link to read the article I immediately thought this was Ian Beckles speaking and lo and behold I click the article and boom that is the exact person it was haha. I honestly think Beckles is clueless, sure he may not be worth $10 million, but he is definitely an asset to this team and by getting rid of him will make us far worse, not better. Beckles is a very negative person when talking about the Tampa sports team, the eternal pessimist as you will. Take what he says with a grain of salt. What does he care anyway, he isn’t writing the checks to V-Jax. Cap space is not a big problem for us this off season anyway, clearing some other under achievers on the team makes a whole lot more sense. Stop your bickering and whining Beckles..
January 5th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Hawaiian,
Robert 9 is right.
ASJ can be judged because he directly helped us lose games this year. I am pretty sure another rookie, Anthony Barr, from the Vikings was able to take the ball away from ASJ and house it in OT. Or, look at the Cap’n Morgan penalty.
Rob 9 called his shots, and this place would be better off if we could freely let our opinions ride.
V-Jax aint worth the money, but the way the Bucs spend 10 million I’d rather just stick with V-Jax.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Ian still thinks Mccoy is a bust too…man, how awesome would it be if our Dline got to routinely face off against pathetic guards the caliber of Beckles when he played? And I knew that’d get awaiting moderation, haha.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
The funny thing is Beckles still says to this day that McCown is a good quarterback and would be more than happy to have him start again next year. That alone takes away a ton of credibility when evaluating players. Hard to take him seriously.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
I don’t want to get rid of Vdrops, but let’s be honest here. He almost single handedly put The Golden Giraffe back on the bench by dropping more than a couple of very catchable balls. His dropping passes is nothing new. He’s been doing it since he’s been here. We need to bring in some competition for him and let it play out, just as it should be for every position. Can V drops punt?
January 5th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
lol. about what I expected. go back your pineapple.
trade him while he has value.
and as for this veteran leadership. (no knock on vjax, cause I think he still has one good year in him-we just are not going to be contenders in one year)…..I’d bet my right nipple players at that stage of their career who are milking the last 10 million are the 1st one’s out the door. not calling them lazy, it’s just life, kids and their next venture become their main concern. vjax is too slow for 2 more years.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Ian still being on the radio tells you how bad a sports radio market this is.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
@SteveK,
Okay, by that logic, Lavonte David is a bust too, right? He cost us a game last year at New York. You cannot judge ANYONE after one year. Talk to me after year 3 and we can make that determination.
I don’t care or have a problem with anyone calling their shots. That’s what this site is here for. But I also have a right to call him out. Saying that Jackson got 1K yards because of a bad QB is just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Ian: “Mccoy is a bust, Mccown is just fine as a QB, Vjax should be cut” … and he is still on the radio. Sportstalk radio in the Tampa Bay area, folks.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Oh, the pineapple reference. So funny, and so original. Do you write your own jokes too?
January 5th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
TY Hilton is a nice receiver but he had 4 clear drops yesterday, meaning Andrew Luck’s pretty great day could have been even better.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
But for the record, I said Freeman should have been benched too. You weren’t the only one. Before that, I said we better not give him a new deal.
I also was 1000% against the Revis trade. Said he would be a star in New England.
I said we better sign Michael Bennett or we would be very sorry.
I said to get rid of Mike Williams. How did he do in Buffalo?
I’ve been right my fair share too. I’m also man enough to admit when I’ve been wrong, which is what so many people on this site struggle with. We’ve all been wrong, and most of us have been right. I feel stronger about this than I felt with Revis, and if you go back and check the archives, you’ll see how strongly I was against getting rid of Revis.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
I like people who quietly lead by example. It’s a pleasure to have a guy like him in Tampa.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
it is a pleasure lutz, but this is business.
trade him while he still has value.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
I find it hilarious that everybody is complaining about Jackson and not Michael the ghost Johnson or Anthony Collins costing too much; when those guys don’t even produce!!!!
But it’s the Sucs way to get rid of good players.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
@ Hawaiian, Stevie K, & Robert 9
I agree with Hawaiian on ASJ….and you can add Sims to that list…..the NFL is full of Probowlers….past & present that had some difficulties in their rookie year.
Both of these players had injury issues and didn’t have the benefit of a full camp/preseason.
Lets at least give them another year and another OC.
I think fans are impatient….especially Buc fans when it comes to both players and coaches….it’s understandable
January 5th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
so, we should not grade our draft picks for 3 years?
wish I had that employer!
and we should keep aging vets with bloated contracts to help mold the young guys.
by that logic we’re giving the rookies until their vets to be graded/evaluated and giving our vets time and money while they already out to pasture.
And they call me stupid.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Keep VJacks
January 5th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
If no others are available at his talent level/price range.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
“If anything Find a burner for the slot, who can take the top off of opposing defense in the draft….
I’m sure on could be picked up later in the draft for much cheaper.”
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Really? You think you can just “pick up” a burner for the slot? As if it’s that easy. I’ll give you hindsight from last year’s draft, what “burner in the slot” was available late in the draft that can “take the top off of defenses”? It’s hilarious how you make as if that’s an easy thing to do! How many “burners that play the slot and can take the top off the defenses” have we had in the entire history of our franchise? While we’re at it, we should pick up an all-pro QB late in the draft too. And maybe some great O-Lineman too. Hell, while we’re at it, let’s just grab a shut down corner. What are some of you people smoking today?
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Let me help you look like a total @$$
TY Hilton was a player in yesterdays playoff game, Guess what he’s a burner, and a late round pick
Terrance Williams Dallas Cowboys, Burner, 3rd Round pick…
January 5th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Sims may or may not turn out to be a good player, but he needs to become a top 5 RB in the league for that pick to not be a total waste. Running back is the least important position in the league, where you can find productive guys on the street (see Rainey, Bobby)
To spend a 3rd round pick when the team had an atrocious offensive line needing youth, more pass rushers, more secondary help….it wasn’t a great pick then and looks worse now that Sims doesn’t appear to be anything other than ordinary. If he comes Matt Forte Jr. like some here predicted, maybe it’s worth it. But he’s a loooooong way from that.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Work on your reading skills, and let’s not make stuff up or you’ll be banned again. Revis proved again this season that he is a Hall of Famer, a guy that’s a gamechanger. Joe wasn’t a big fan of ditching anyone of that quality. Funny how the Bucs’ defense and pass defense was significantly worse this season. Oh, and the team won half as many games.–Joe
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Explain to me where I’m off on my reading skills? You don’t think VJax is worth keeping around? Did I get that right? Also Revis didn’t play like a HOF when he was with us. We don’t judge players on what they do in the future. Just like you whine about Penn. He got run cause he sucked playing for us, so because he had an epiphany, and played better this year for OAKLAND, doesn’t mean the Bucs made the wrong decision based off what he did for us. Same goes for Revis. You do to much hindsight finger pointing Joe.
“we won half as many games” …yeah with Revis we had 12 losses, without, 14 …that’s truly significant and worth every couple million of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ
January 5th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
@ robert 9
I didn’t say anything about 3 years…..I said….”another year” which would be 2….
And…..I didn’t call you stupid…..I don’t call anybody on this site stupid
@ bucrightoff
Expecting a top 5 RB is quite steep for a 3rd rounder….and I would remind you that our Oline didn’t stink until after the draft…..we thought (wrongly) that we had fixed the line with EDS/Collins…..and yes Cousins….we also didn’t know at that time that Nicks could go. So the pick was made for the RB
My opinion is that he will be used much more as a reciever and his value is TBD…
FYI although it is a limited sample….his recieving yds (10,0) beat Forte’s Rookie stats (7.6)
The point is that I’m sure there are many rookie RBs with limited carries in their rookie season that eventually turned out to be great RBs
January 5th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Robert 9, your argument is specious, at best.
I hope that being ‘called out’ turned you defensive, thereby squashing the ‘logic’ side of your brain. I’m not saying you are wrong (or right), but that the above argument fails miserably.
“so, we should not grade our draft picks for 3 years?”
As far as being a ‘bust’… absolutely. There are WAY too many players who didn’t have good starts, in their career, that have gone on to be Pro Bowlers and Super Bowl winners.
“wish I had that employer!”
We all do, but it seems to only be in the ‘sports’ industry.
“and we should keep aging vets with bloated contracts to help mold the young guys.”
Yeeees. That’s what ‘teams’ do. Of course, they have to (#1) weigh the value they are getting (on AND off the field) with (#2) what it is costing them. Also thrown in is (#3) how far under the cap they are.
“by that logic we’re giving the rookies until their vets to be graded/evaluated and giving our vets time and money while they already out to pasture.”
Ahhh. This is where you get pretty far out there. When it is beneficial, the team should hang on to ANY veteran who can teach the younger player(s) how to be a professional athlete. Of course, the same three criteria (as above) apply. BUT, remember that rookies are under a cheap contract for FOUR years. You don’t need to waste money, on a “bloated contract’ for that long to tell if a player is going to make the transition.
“And they call me stupid.”
Why do you care? I’ve been called worse, likely by better people than in here, and it still doesn’t make it true.
Have fun, and don’t get so bent. You still haven’t won/lost an argument in here. That’s what you get with opinions.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
He may not be worth 10 mil a year but hes worth keeping……pay the man try and restructure with him. I think he likes playing with Evans.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
You so nailed it Joe. Perfectly said. To anyone who disagrees, I’d ask what free agent wide receiver you want to spend that money on.
And remember Michael Johnson was the 7th highest free agent on PFT’s Hot 100 Free Agents last year.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
You heard it here first…..and you can call me stupid all you like….and call me wrong and an idiot and ignorant too….but you’ll have to wait until it’s proven…
Both ASJ & Charles Sims will turn out to be great Bucs and be well worth their draft pick positions…..
January 5th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
“Really? You think you can just “pick up” a burner for the slot? As if it’s that easy. I’ll give you hindsight from last year’s draft, what “burner in the slot” was available late in the draft that can “take the top off of defenses”? It’s hilarious how you make as if that’s an easy thing to do! How many “burners that play the slot and can take the top off the defenses” have we had in the entire history of our franchise? While we’re at it, we should pick up an all-pro QB late in the draft too. And maybe some great O-Lineman too. Hell, while we’re at it, let’s just grab a shut down corner. What are some of you people smoking today?
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Let me help you look like a total @$$
TY Hilton was a player in yesterdays playoff game, Guess what he’s a burner, and a late round pick
Terrance Williams Dallas Cowboys, Burner, 3rd Round pick…”
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So I wasn’t aware that those guys are rookies this year, because if you could read, you would see that I said from “last year’s draft”. Hell, if you want to cherry pick from all the drafts, then yes, it’s possible. Obviously you are too busy talking out of your arse to understand the point that it’s not easy to “pick up a burner”. If it were, every single team would have one. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you weren’t a huge TY Hilton fan coming into the draft, but it’s not like logic like that will ever stop you. So in your delusional world, we should get rid of Jackson and easily find a burner in the 3rd round (which I’m still trying to figure out in what world that is a “late round pick”, but whatever)?
January 5th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
TBBF you’re missing the point: Sims, on a 1/10 scale of need, was a -5. Drafting him with a premium pick was a waste, unless he becomes an upper echelon back. Horrible pick with how many holes this team has, running back was the only position that didn’t need any depth, we had 3 guys who could play at an NFL level. Just not a good pick at all.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
@TampaBayBucFan,
No, you are clearly wrong. The experts on this site have already determined them to be busts, just like they were able to use their medical degree to pronounce Carl Nicks’ career to be over. They are on another level than the rest of us, don’t you know that?
January 5th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
LMAO
You guys are hilarious.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
@ buckrightoff
“Just not a good pick at all.”
You are missing one word then I can agree with you…….YET
January 5th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
So I wasn’t aware that those guys are rookies this year, because if you could read, you would see that I said from “last year’s draft”. Hell, if you want to cherry pick from all the drafts, then yes, it’s possible. Obviously you are too busy talking out of your arse to understand the point that it’s not easy to “pick up a burner”. If it were, every single team would have one. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you weren’t a huge TY Hilton fan coming into the draft, but it’s not like logic like that will ever stop you. So in your delusional world, we should get rid of Jackson and easily find a burner in the 3rd round (which I’m still trying to figure out in what world that is a “late round pick”, but whatever)?
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Maybe you should put the pipe down, I’ve never said we should get rid of Vincent Jackson…I’ve been saying the opposite all year, As far rookies from last year, Philly Brown who played in a game this weekend went undrafted, Is that late round enough? The others I named were merely used as examples…
January 5th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
@bucrightoff & Tampabaybucfan,
I’ll butt in and say this: I understand where both of you are coming from, but at the same time, drafting for need doesn’t normally work out for a lot of teams. Since we like to bring up NE, they have drafted 2 QB’s lately in early rounds (although there are some on this site who believe a 3rd rounder is a late round pick). That obviously wasn’t a need. The problem with picking for a need is that more times than not you end up reaching, and reaching has an even lower success rate. In my opinion, the only position you reach for is QB, and even that is still pretty risky. The only other time you can reach is when your team is stacked and you aren’t short at many positions. We unfortunately aren’t at that point.
For example, if we are bound and determined to draft a lineman with that third round pick, but aren’t sold on any of them, chances are we are getting a guy that isn’t going to help. In that case, why do it? Why draft someone who isn’t going to help? I’d rather draft a guy from a position we are already set on, because I’m a big believer in the more good players the better. If we felt like Sims was going to be a really good player for us, then why not? I’d rather have that than a scrub offensive lineman.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
@Another J,
My bad! I didn’t realize that the post ahead of the one where you said to “get a burner” was also yours. I thought you were saying to replace Jackson. My mistake. I guess I have to slow down a bit sometimes.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Scary to say that a rarity is occurring here…I’m agreeing with Hawaiian on something and that something is keeping VJAX 🙂 Not like the Bucs are ever near the salary cap, so keeping a guy who is still productive seems like a no brainer in this instance. Now if we had a promising young guy behind him and were cap strapped then maybe I’d be singing a different tune.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
Bucrightoff- Agreed bro. Gabe Jackson was still there, so were a number of solid guards who are starting now. Unless Sims puts up 1400 all purpose this year, that was a horrible pick. Straight up, Mike James, Rainey and Martin would all rush for 1200 yards in a Mike Shanahan zone blocking scheme. They are all very solid backs. When I saw that pick I said oh ok, we are drafting him to be a bigger Darren Sproles. But we plan on using him in I formations and as an every down back? No way it’s going to work out, he’s not durable enough and doesn’t have that 5th gear. A horrible pick as of now.
Now, on to the topic Vjax. Everyone just hold your horses until Dez gets 17m/yr and then 10m for vjax wont seem that bad. Vjax is the most professional player on our team. If anything I think the Bucs extend his contract and greatly reduce his cap number. Vjax is immediately a captain of any team he is traded to or signs with. It is ludicrous to think he should be traded or released. He loves it here, he’ll restructure before he leaves. And yes he is responsible for ME13.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
@ToesOnTheLine!
Holy hell, now I know I’m right if we agree!
January 5th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
Randy Moss didn’t even get $10 million a year after he had one of the best seasons every by a WR. That money can be spent on O-line, defense and other WRs that are better than VJax. Stop clinging to stars…we need a team…
January 5th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Licht and Smith will make this determination, not Beckles or anyone else. Don’t lose sleep over it.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
@Killian,
And exactly what year was that? I’m also very upset because Dan Marino didn’t make as much as QB’s today when he threw for 5000 yards in 1984. I’m even more mad that my grandparents bought their house for $25K in 1945, while I paid much more a few years ago. What gives?
January 5th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
@ak
Your right beckels is an idiot. Thinks he’s right about anything and everything when he isn’t talking about food or some chick he wants to secretly bang.
Clueless is an understatement.
And the radio market here is terrible.
Can’t believe he’s on the radio.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
I vote keep Jackson in this poll.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
Let’s have a poll on whether the genius IAN BECKELS IS WORTH THE MONEY THEY PAY HIM.
No matter the amount it’s way tooooooo much.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
4 years ago…Just saying, we overpay for players. We have done it for the last 3-4 years and where has that gotten us. We win free agency every year with no results. While I like VJax, I have no problem with parting ways if we intend to spend the money elsewhere, thus yielding better results. WRs do not make a team a winner. How many playoff games have the Lions won with Megatron? They actually have a decent QB too. It’s time that we focus on building our team the smart way, not throwing globs of money at players. We need a premier pass rusher and O-line help. I’d rather spend the money there.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
I vote trade VJ. I third would be nice, but with the large contractand age, maybe can get a 5th and conditional pick for play in 2016.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
Half are fan base is as clueless as the coaching staff. Trade vjax for a 5th rounder yeah that’s an awesome idea and we can draft a speed guy with that pick and he will be just as good. Anybody remember a guy we drafted this year named Robert Herron yeah a fast guy in the 6th round how did that work out. So essentially some of you idiots are saying trade him for Herron and we will be good. And or you would rather have Cobb who is a product of that system name a wr from greenbay who went elsewhere and was good. Javon walker Greg Jennings. Haven’t heard of them since
January 5th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
@Killian,
That fantastic season you are referring to happened in 2003, which at last count was more than 4 years ago. Even if you are referring to the season in New England, that was 7 years ago. Pay wasn’t the same 7 years ago. Pay wasn’t the same 4 years ago. It goes up every year if you haven’t noticed.
I wouldn’t say we are overpaying Jackson, certainly not for his first 2 years. He didn’t have the greatest season this year, but he had sh!t for QB, and equal sh!t for an OC. Oh yeah, he also played the ENTIRE season with a broken wrist.
As for spending the money elsewhere, if you didn’t know, we were well below the salary cap last year, and once we get rid of some guys (Collins, Goldson, etc.) we are going to be even further below the cap. So I ask, why is that even an issue? We could keep Jackson and pay me $25M next year, and we still wouldn’t be over the cap.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:10 pm
“I vote trade VJ. I third would be nice, but with the large contractand age, maybe can get a 5th and conditional pick for play in 2016.”
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SMDH. I’m out.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Actually his last season under the Pats contract was 2009…silly banana…
January 5th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Three 1,000 yard seasons and you guys want to run him out of town unbelievable. And we should trade Doug Martin for a third mike Glennon for a 5th for what. What good is that late of a pick worth besides dumb hope. Reid ell anthony jaquez green, marquis cooper dexter Jackson, Maurice Stovall, Michael Clayton, mike Williams, arellious benn. Yup real easy to draft a wide receiver
January 5th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
“Actually his last season under the Pats contract was 2009…silly banana…”
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And that was the greatest season every by a WR? And 2009 still isn’t 4 years ago. And pay was different 4 years ago. Should I go on?
January 5th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
You go ahead and let me know what WR that is better than V-Jax will play for less the $10M.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Who are you going to replace him with that will keep attention away from Evans, and who will also come here for less than $10 million?
When you find someone, get back to me. Until then, shut up. It ain’t your money anyway. And the Bucs aren’t hurting for cap space.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Apparently you aren’t out. Yes, that contract was the one he signed after catching 23 TD passes in 2007. The final year of that contract was the 09-10 season. Sorry I missed it by 5 days. I could care less if we don’t go after another big name WR. The fact is, this team sucks! We have played subpar football for a very long time. Vincent Jackson has had good years playing here no doubt, but it’s going to come to an end soon. Might as well get something out of him now while we can. It’s not like we are going to be winners all of a sudden next year with a rookie QB or even worse, McCown. You are right, we are under cap. That is a problem and should be fixed this upcoming year.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Didn’t we already give a huge contract to a #2 that never had a 1,000 yard season recently? At least Jackson is good. See if he will restructure if not pay the man we need him. Unless Cobb is for some reason not signed or tagged.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
See Hawaiian I’m not against BPA, so long as value and need are factored in. When you consider running backs are currently the least valuable players in football (1,000 yard rushers are consistently found in the last 3 rounds, UFDA, or the street later on), and that 3rd round picks (especially when we didn’t have a 4th round pick) are premium picks, you have to have a need at running back to spend a valuable 3rd rounder on one. Not only did we not have a need, we had more than enough guys on the roster who could play the position at a competent level, unlike OLine or DLine or secondary.
New England drafting backups that don’t necessarily constitute need is valuable to them because losing Brady without a competent backup is season over. We had 2 competent backups to Martin in James and Rainey already here. So even if Sims was the BPA on their board, his value is so poor at that point you cannot justify taking him unless you believe he’s going to be an upper echelon player at his position. I know it’s only one season but there was literally nothing to suggest Sims was even above average. That’s why BPA alone isn’t wise, you have to consider other factors.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
HawaiianBuc Said:
“… We could keep Jackson and pay me $25M next year, and we still wouldn’t be over the cap.”
As your ‘agent’…
January 5th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
I just don’t see the point of keeping an old receiver that only has 1 or 2 more years in the tank on a constant bottom of the barrel team. The bucs must draft there way out of the bottom. and when they do that VJ will be retired or no use to any team. Just look at his yac yards. good players do not last forever in the nfl. We need to build for the future, and that I am positive about!
January 5th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
We are so screwed. I hope they can make the playoffs by 2025′. The Bucs have thrown away almost every first round pick they made, 2’nd round too, 3’rd, 4’th. The Organization is a cesspool of ineptitude. I have lost faith in pretty much all of them. I don’t see any quick fix for this mess. Mike Evans was the only solid choice in this draft.
January 5th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
The sky is not falling people but making rash decisions isn’t going to help the cause. The fact is the NFC South didn’t exactly play lights out football. The Aints looked very bland, the Panthers were average at best and it took them getting hot at the end to even get the division albeit at a putrid 7-8-1 mark. The Falcons look to possibly be in even worse shape than we are. It only takes hitting on a couple picks and a couple smart free agency moves and we can be in the thick of the hunt. It’s time to start building instead of constantly rebuilding. Getting younger isn’t always a step in the right direction. Getting rid of V Jax for lets say o 4th or 5th rounder is stupid. The big savings half of you are talking about is no big deal to us as an organization. In fact, I’m sick of us spending so little. The new agreement requires more and V Jax 10 mill a season thanks to his skillset and unteachable leadership is hardly a bad deal. Sticking a fork in a rookie 5th rounder is suicide by fire. Those work out maybe 10% of the time. V Jax is proven. Stupid is not learning from past mistakes. V Jax stays. Franchise QB or a reload from the draft is certain. I would love to trade down but if not, give me Mariota or Winston, beef O Line and D Line up, new OC and let’s see where it goes.
January 5th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Let’s get rid of a solid receiver that we can afford for the hope of some 4th or 5th round pick lmao
Someone please rid this world of all the stupid thats out there.
If you want v-jax gone then you are either stupid or stupid take your pick and get back to me when your dumb a*s figures out the math to that equation.
I swear I’ve never seen a fan base so stupid and off base on almost everything.
Oh and yea lets go draft a qb that can’t even decide if he wants to enter the draft or play baseball. Yea that’s the guy I want leading my team lmao.
Just a bunch of morons I swear. I can’t believe I share my air with you all.
January 5th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Vjax stays end of discussion. Next ….
You guy ought to be ashamed of yourself, a 4th or 5th rnd pick. Please go to the App Store and download the “slap a bitch” app and open it; often!
January 5th, 2015 at 9:19 pm
“It’s not like we are going to be winners all of a sudden next year with a rookie QB or even worse, McCown.”
That attitude and mentality is exactly why we’re the worst team and organization in the NFL. “It’s not like we’re going to be winners next year” my ass
January 5th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
Yep, let’s trade Jackson! After all, so many of our 4th and 5th round picks have become pro bowlers!
January 5th, 2015 at 9:33 pm
@connor
I bet there has been more pro-bowlers from the 4th round then there has been receivers that are age 33 making the pro-bowl!
January 5th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Give him more damn money so he stays on this horrible team..dude who cares, hes one of the better players..how did getting rid or Reevis work out fer us? Fruitloops..
January 5th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
“I bet there has been more pro-bowlers from the 4th round then there has been receivers that are age 33 making the pro-bowl!”
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I highly doubt that. More importantly, how many 4th round WR picks has our organization made that made the pro bowl? How many WR’s that we’ve drafted period have made the pro bowl. You are putting way too much faith in our scouting.
January 5th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Come on Hawaiian, its me! of course I have no faith in the organization. Just because the Bucs failed in drafting Freeaman does not mean that they should never draft a QB high again. But when they most likely will fail again, I will B!?@$ and scream about it.
January 5th, 2015 at 9:57 pm
cmurda has the best point of anyone. As bad as we were last year, the rest of our division isn’t that far behind. Ask yourself this, if we had average to slightly above average QB play, would we have won more games? Of course we would have. It’s pretty hard to win when your QB literally hands the ball to the other team 3 times per game. We can still be a bad team and win our division. At least we can be in the hunt, which is a helluva lot better than worrying about the draft in October.
The argument of we aren’t going to be a contender so get something for Jackson now is ludicrous. Winning is a culture that takes a while to obtain. The players on this team need to learn how to win, and in order to do that you have to field the best team possible. In the NFL, you can’t try to have all your players in the prime of their careers at the same time. It just doesn’t work that way, especially if you have drafted poorly. Does anyone remember the last time we tried to do that (hint hint Raheem Morris)??? That’s the thing that kills me about some fans – they just don’t learn from prior mistakes. There were people that liked the idea of cutting #55, because by the time we were going to be great, he would be retired. How’d that work out for us?
I’m not for us signing a 33 year old free agent from another team. That’s different. I am, however, for keeping a guy that has been outstanding for this team for 3 years. He’s the best WR we’ve ever had, and one of the best citizens we’ve had as well. He’s also been durable, and a great teacher to #13. It’s pure stupidity to get rid of him.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:01 pm
@Realist,
Yeah, but drafting in the 4th round is considerably harder than drafting in the first. You or I could get lucky and draft a few good players high in the first round. The later rounds is where the greats make their living. We aren’t one of the greats, FYI. You don’t give up one of our best players to let the Tampa Bay Buccaneers swing for the fences with a 4th rounder.
Put it this way: If you are betting with your money, would you bet that Jackson will have a better season in 2015 or whoever we draft with the 4th round pick we get? You know damn well the answer to that question, and there isn’t a person on this board that would bet against Jackson. End of discussion.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
All this talk of dumping V-Jack for a 3rd or 4th rounder is ridiculous; I mean yeah the guy has had some drops but he is not Alvin Harper… Without V-Jack I highly doubt if Mike Evans will get nearly as many looks. V-Jack still has a lot of value on this team and yeah he may be getting overpaid but just dumping the guy for a mid round draft pick will simply set the team back…. And sure there are a lot of WRs who will be free agents (and forget about Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas as they will not be moving) and in that group of free agents there is likely to be the guys who have had padded #s in very effective offenses being a WR2 or WR3; it is doubtful they would thrive as well in Tampa. I just hope the Bucs do not trade V-Jack and sign one of these free agents to save a few million and try to sell it as an upgrade to us fans but end up with another Alvin Harper and that sounds just like the bonehead move these penny counting Glazers might try to swing which makes me a tad nervous concerning the future of V-Jack…..
January 5th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
First off if you’re going to quote a member of the media you can do better than the Ron an Ian show. Ian is a tool at best, second who cares how much Vjax makes a year. His salary is not a direct reflexion of his performance on the field. Smith runs the show at one buc palace and will change the roster as he wishes, come the start of training camp there will be a fresh group of name’s for Ian to trash talk.
January 5th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Anyone who wants to get rid of Vjax is being a Culverhouse!
January 5th, 2015 at 11:39 pm
“Anyone who wants to get rid of Vjax is being a Culverhouse!”
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Quote of the day!!!
January 5th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
v-jax is worth more than lovie lol. really 10 mil look at what some of these other pinheads on the team are getting. at least he gives it his all. he is a great guy and player. jmo.
January 5th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
I would rather put that $10 million toward Jermey Maclin. But if that isn’t an option then I say he stays for one more year. This is a deep draft for WRs so we could still get a really good one in the 2nd or 3rd round if they wanted to go that route. We really need Oline help. So a higher round pick has to go there and a late round pick as well imo.
January 6th, 2015 at 12:15 am
beckels is just jealous his big pay days are long gone!!!
January 6th, 2015 at 12:18 am
Keep Jackson. Yeah he had some drops but the team sucked all over and he had a busted wrist that he played through. He also takes a lot of heat off Evans. The best way to make sure Evans keeps getting better and doesn’t regress is to leave Jackson there to mentor him and draw attention on the field.
January 6th, 2015 at 8:19 am
Keep Jackson. He has been our only bright spot on offense in a long time. Haven’t we learned anything?! BLOUNT, REVIS, M.WILIAMS, TALIB. I COULDNT EVEN IMAGINE WHAT OUT TEAM WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE STILL HAD ALL OF THESE PLAYErs. But the bucs always find a way to F*€K THEMSEVES EVERY YEAR SOME HOW.
January 6th, 2015 at 10:34 am
irrelevant. unless there is another WR with #1 ability who is a better value out there, we are better served paying him to be a 1b and a mentor than we are taking a chance with some free agent who will demand similar money and not necessarily be a fit. assuming the goal is to compete. wasn’t VJax playing through a broken wrist or something this year? i might drop some balls with a broken wrist.