Will Sean Payton Finally Get Glennon?
December 1st, 2014
An NFL Network report has Joe thinking a Mike Glennon trade offer is likely.
The continued lunacy of starting Josh McCown makes it clear Lovie Smith has no use for Glennon. His “quarterback of the future” status has passed its expiration date.
Yesterday, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, a man with every general manager’s phone number, delivered word that the Saints will prepare to move on from Drew Brees. So that had Joe remembering how Saints coach Sean Payton raved about Glennon earlier this year, explaining his pre-draft love for No. 8 and how close he was to drafting him last year.
“I think he’s got a real good arm. I think his timing, his feet are very good. His feet are exceptional, I think, for his size. So he’s got good athleticism,” Payton said of Glennon. “He can locate the ball and make all the throws. He was a player that we had real high grades on in the third round. Ironically, that discussion that came up, I can remember like it was yesterday. [Tackle] Terron Armstead, Glennon was right in that cloud, if you will.
Payton clarified that “cloud” means a group of players the team wanted to draft.
“I just remember the evaluation process. I had a chance to work with closely, a coordinator Dana Bible, who’s retired now. But Dana [who coached Glennon at N.C. State] I remember calling me on Mike and giving good reviews, I mean over and above. So we studied more tape. And he was someone that was in the mix. I recall him specifically because we saw a lot of things we liked. And now, unfortunately, he’s in our division and we’re watching him.”
A few days later, Glennon was 19-for-32 for 249 yards, two touchdowns and an interception in the SuperDome. The Bucs lost 37-31 in overtime.
Joe suspects that effort only added to Payton’s love of Glennon.
So what’s the market value on a young guy with a “cannon,” a guy with 18 starts under his belt and 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions?
December 1st, 2014 at 9:18 pm
If Glennon did that with the bucs and can only imagine what Glennon could do with a real NFL Team!
December 1st, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Saints are moving on from Brees? I highly doubt that.
Glennon would be lucky to get away from Lovie
December 1st, 2014 at 9:22 pm
How Glennon can look so good to so many baffles my mind. Tony Robbins must have touched them like he did Shallow Hal.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:23 pm
An 8th round pick should make it happen…
December 1st, 2014 at 9:24 pm
If the bucs can get a draft pick higher than a 7th round pick for a garbage backup with NO heart Jason Licht will have to get immunity from prosecution for grand theft draft pick.
Just another low round 6 or 7 round pick for them to bring in another bad player. I just don’t trust Lovie with even a 7th round pick. he gets no credit for Evans folks that was a no brainer pick.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:24 pm
I hope for Glennon’s sake this happens. It will pain me to become a “Who Dat” fan but better than a fan of Lovie’s “Huh?”
December 1st, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Does Sean know that glennon sucks? Joe should give him as free annual subscription to JBF so he can be in the know. I mean glennon is a garbage back up with a long neck that has zero accuracy and is a total loser. Pst, you would expect a NFL hc to know the difference between a pro bowl caliber qb like mccown and a washed up never has been like glennon.
Some people, Sean in this case, have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to football. He needs to hire some JBF posters to help him with his qb evaluations cuz obviously he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, right @brandon?
December 1st, 2014 at 9:27 pm
Hahaha! Glennon goes to NO and beats up on the bucs for the next decade. #justice
December 1st, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Lovie is a dhickhead . And a liar.
“but we were 4-12.”
I hate you lovie
December 1st, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Preparing to move on from Brees means that he likely has 2-3 more seasons left and they need to start grooming a quality backup with starting QB potential. Glennon fits the bill, I believe. (With a high-quality OC)
December 1st, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Glennon goes to NO and beats up on the bucs for the next decade. #justice
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might be the most hilarious yet delusional post this week.
glennon’s future is mc for revenge of the nerds conventions not nfl football.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:35 pm
Man it sure would suck watching Glennon consistently putting up 3+ TD’s against the Bucs of he went to NO 🙁 almost fitting punishment for some of the dimwit Bucs fans and Tampa radio celebrities.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:38 pm
I agree…Glennon’s got a cannon for an arm. He’s still young and also smart. I don’t forsee him 13 years down the road making the same dum mistakes. When at QB, he seems to take control of the offense. He would’ve made the throws last week and this week that McCown couldn’t make. Last week McCown’s excuse was the weather…we had perfect weather yesterday. We can really showcase and grade Glennon’s performance the next four games with room to negotiate if we decide to trade him. If we draft Winston, he has a cannon of an arm also but have the wheels to move much better than Glennon. Winston reminds me of Favre/Roethlisbeger…he may throw an int, however, he shows much improvement after doing so.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Glennon in Arizona or New Orleans would be horrific. You know we’d be regretting it down the road. Send him somewhere with no chance to succeed cause if he gets a coach like Arians or Payton, we’re going to look idiotic without a doubt.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:43 pm
We already look idiotic
December 1st, 2014 at 9:45 pm
At the point if Lovie is too stupid to use him, It’s only fair to let him go use his talents elsewhere.
Letting Mike Glennon sit behind “Mr Turnover waiting to happen” Josh McCown is just stupid!
Mike is young, and has the tools, and potential to get better, but The coach is blind, and doesn’t like stats, or end zones.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:45 pm
I mean Lovie started a center that had never played the position. That’s not idiotic?
December 1st, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Wow! Reading some of these posts and the serious vitriol of some writers, might I offer some alternatives. While I agree that Lovie Smith has left us a lot to be desired, but lets temper the “hate” comments. Hate injustice, hate world hunger, hate greed, hate selfishness, hate what hurts people, hate something worth hating. Hating a coach, nah, not worth it. The season is wasted, it’s a total fail. The talent is lacking, the coaching is suspect, but in the overall scheme of things, life is sooooo much more than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. If this riles you up and leaves you wanting to “hate” me, don’t bother wasting your time.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:46 pm
Glennon had a chance to claim the starting QB job here for good and he blew it. He started out very strong, but lost his fire or something after a couple games and sunk back into mediocrity. Eventually losing his starting job to freakin McCown of all people!! And don’t get it twisted, Glennon got benched bcuz of his ineptitude for a few games in a row.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:46 pm
I feel for Glennon. he got thrown in to a dumpster fire 2 consecutive years with a bad Oline then a horrible Oline, a bad OC then no OC, a bad defense then a terrible one, an average special team unit then a horrendous one, a bad running game then a nonexistent one and lastly a bad game day coach and then a clueless one. I have no doubt that a competent coach will get the best out of him. Look what Kelley has done with Sanchez in Philly.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:48 pm
If they do trade him I hope it is to a NFC South team so I can harp on Joe’s “4th best QB in the division” as much as Lovie’s ” we were 4-12″
December 1st, 2014 at 9:51 pm
@wizard
In the same fashion that rainey lost his job to Simms? Lord please perform one more miracle and give these people some brains please. Ty
December 1st, 2014 at 9:52 pm
Amen RichBucsfan Amen.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:54 pm
brees is 35 still has 2-3 years I think. but payton does like this kid he would probably beat the bucs every time payton is a better coach than the pinhead we have.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:54 pm
Are you guys serious to believe this crap? He said Glennon is athletic!!! Compared to who, Rob Ryan? The Saints are not giving up on Drew Brees to get Mike Glennon. That’s too ridiculous for words. A 45 year old Drew Brees is twice the QB of Glennon. The crazy thing is, we have all seen Drew Brees for years destroy us. What in the hell does Glennon do that reminds you in the slightest of Mike freaking Glennon? LMAO! But you guys go ahead and keep dreaming. Maybe some of you will become Saints fans.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Glennon got benched because Lovie would rather have McCown and his 4 games of more turnovers than TDs than Glennon and his 0 games of more turnovers than TDs.
Remember, Lovie might be the worst QB evaluator in NFL history. If he thinks Glennon sucks, start making his bust for Canton.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:56 pm
If they were to even think of bringing in Glennon, it would be for nothing more than a backup gig. Can you imagine the Saints organization actually trying to sell Mike Glennon as a starer to their fan base? Do you really think Sean Payton would put his job on the line for a guy that can’t even earn the starting job over Josh McCown. (and before all of you say McCown was given the job, you go ahead and tell me a full game where Glennon earned the starting job. You don’t earn a starting job by sucking less than the other guy.)
December 1st, 2014 at 9:57 pm
@rich bucs fan agree pal but were just blowing off some steam! I still sleep t nite lol.
December 1st, 2014 at 9:58 pm
DB55
Awesome post. I think that henceforth Love should be called “Scarecrow”
December 1st, 2014 at 9:59 pm
Hawaii
What’s up buddy? How was your thanksgiving? Outstanding, I hope!
December 1st, 2014 at 10:00 pm
How did the offensive line play while Glennon was back there, Was it better?
The fact that Glennon put up better numbers with less turnovers, behind that excuse for an offensive line should say enough.
Now stick with me here…
Imagine Mike Glennon working with a real strength, and conditioning coach, Him gaining a few pounds of muscle, and learning how to get some functional mobility from the pocket, and To sweeten the deal We could hire a Real QB with actual NFL experience, To let him work Mike.
Mix in an NFL Offensive Coordinator, and Bam you’ve got a winning QB
Throw him behind a real offense line, and We might have a winner!
December 1st, 2014 at 10:01 pm
I “hate” being a Bucs fan now. Am I channeling my “hate” properly in a politically correct way? Just wanted to be sure.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:02 pm
YES AS A BACKUP QB no one on here said starter.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
@DB55,
No, Glennon lost his job bcuz of poor play for a few games in a row. I honestly was pulling for him to succeed, but he started looking weaker and weaker game-by-game. Rainey got screwed. He definitely needs to be a bigger part of the offense. And please don’t talk stupid sh!t about brains bcuz I promise I’m quite intelligent.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
@bucrightoff,
What was Mike Glennon’s record? Fact of the matter is, both QB’s suck, and neither should be a starting NFL QB. Both are career backups, and nothing else. Neither can read defenses, neither has any sort of pocket presence, neither is a true leader, and if we are lucky, neither will even be considered to start for us next year. I don’t even care who starts for us the last 4 games. I really don’t. As soon as I watch one QB play, I want to see the other one. I wanted Glennon to replace McClown, then when I watched Glennon, I wanted McClown back. I’m not going to compare who sucks less if neither is worth a damn.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Hawaiian, nobody is suggesting he’s gonna take Brees job. Rapaport is baselessly speculating to try and draw some hits. But Brees is slowing down and his cap hits get ugly later on. A succession plan is wise. And if Glennon gets two years to develop behind Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Yeah, I think we’d all be very, very worried it’ll come back to haunt us. He’d have competent (and in this case elite) guys to learn from as opposed to the Lovie Clown Crew.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Tgreg – thanks
Another J – exactly and may I add an offseason to develop timing and rapport with his offense.
What a concept.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:05 pm
@wizard
You right my bad #brains
December 1st, 2014 at 10:06 pm
@DB55,
I’m doing good buddy. I haven’t been commenting as much lately because I’m pretty much at a loss of words. As much as I love football, I think I’m ready for this season to end.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:07 pm
He can’t be that good if he can’t even start for the Bucs
December 1st, 2014 at 10:10 pm
Lovie is the worst QB evalutor in NFL history. He might be the only coach alive who would play McCown ahead of Glennon. Lovie and QBs don’t go well together. All he knows is how to make them look horrible (the opponents, and his own).
December 1st, 2014 at 10:12 pm
joe should give Sean Peyton a free annual subscription to JBF so he can be in the know. It’s painfully obvious that glennon suck major buffalo balls. Sean would know this if he read JBF. He must think bc he has years of experience leading potent offenses that he has a clue but he doesn’t. Read JBF peyton and stop being such a moron. Jeez
December 1st, 2014 at 10:13 pm
Listen,I didn’t expect Glennon to be great with our OL. That would be ridiculous. However, it’s not the OL’s fault when he REPEATEDLY misses guys running wide arse open. This is not a once or twice thing, this is a once or twice thing each game! You can’t do that, and no coach is going to make him all of a sudden be an accurate QB. You can’t give up TD’s like that in the NFL. You guys become enamored with him for hitting a guy sitting in a zone 15 yards down the field (of course, only when he has a perfectly clean pocket). Why is that impressive? What QB can’t do that? Are you guys ok when we need a first down late in the game and he runs out of bounds one yard short, instead of taking a little hit to get a critical first down? Trust me, if he was a real franchise QB, we would have seen a helluva lot more than what we’ve seen. He would flash a lot more. There is no reason that anyone should be satisfied with a mediocre QB, just because he can make throws with no pressure and he doesn’t turn the ball over too much (even though he turned it over in every single game he played in).
December 1st, 2014 at 10:16 pm
@bucrightoff,
I’m not saying Lovie is a great talent evaluator, but worst ever? Really? Mike Evans seems to be doing pretty well. I know you’re pissed off, and so am I. We have every right to be,but he’s not the worst ever. Even if he is, there is no way you could even come to that conclusion 12 games into his first season. Just say he’s really really bad.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:17 pm
It’s called timing Hawaii. That’s why Brees spends all summer throwing balls to his rcv. That’s how manning and Cruz had a great year last year. No QB is going to hit rvc in the breadbasket every time when they have developed timing and you can do that when you can’t compete for your own position.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:18 pm
And can you say the Saints fans might accept the fact they bring in Glennon to be learning from a real pro for now? After all, they are laughing like the rest of the NFL at the Bucs. They know there is nobody here to teach or develop ANYONE!!
December 1st, 2014 at 10:18 pm
Really don’t get why Glennon isn’t starting. He is better than McClown (not by much), younger than McClown, and doesn’t throw picks all day long. At least Glennon has potential, McClown is a lost cause.
I don’t think Glennon will turn into anybody special, but more of a game manager like Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. Put him in the right system, and he will win you games. He may not throw 400 yards and 4 TD’s, but he will get the job done.
I truly believe he would have been successful this year with Schiano.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:25 pm
@Hawaiian
Mike Evans was not spotted by a keen eye for talent.
It was an obvious pick. Mike Williams? Gone. Tiquan Underwood? Gone. Vincent Jackson? Getting older and dropping more and more passes.
Lovie drafted entirely offensive players, and has the worst offense in the league. Worst offensive line in the league, where’s playing time do the two rookies? ASJ better than Tim Wright? Charles Sims better than any other RB on the roster? Get outta here. Lol
Don’t even get me started on free agency and trades. Lovie may not be the worst ever, but perhaps the worst ever on the Bucs.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:25 pm
@DB55,
Brees was a much better college player. He was drafted higher, even though he doesn’t have NFL size like Glennon. He has always been an extremely accurate QB. You can’t name me one accurate QB in the game that didn’t used to be accurate. Not one. It’s not timing, it’s accuracy. Besides, why couldn’t Glennon work with his WR’s in the offseason? I don’t know if he did or didn’t, but if he didn’t, that’s on him. Fact of the matter is, Glennon had every opportunity to take this job. He didn’t do it. He was dreadful, albeit a different kind of dreadful than McClown. The team cannot mandate that. Would Glennon be better on a better team with a real OC? ABSOLUTELY. Would he be even close to a really good NFL QB? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:29 pm
@Walkdaplank,
Evans was not the obvious pick. We could have traded up, we could have traded down. We could have drafted another position. We could have gone WR in free agency. You said it right there. He drafted all offense, which means our offense is incredibly young. No team has ever been successful starting that many rookies, especially with terrible QB play and the whole Tedford situation. Who is to say that those rookies aren’t going to be great? If they do, would you change your tune? Of course you would. Again, I’m not saying he’s fantastic, but you simply can’t judge him against others 12 games in. It’s silly,but understandable. 2-10 tends to mess with your head. I haven’t been quite right since the first Atlanta game.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:29 pm
He did workout with his rcvs: mike Williams and Tim wright. LMAO
December 1st, 2014 at 10:30 pm
And we could have very easily drafted a good WR in round one. Evans was absolutely not an obvious pick.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:33 pm
We could have drafted a good WR in the 2nd or 3rd but we desperately needed RBs and a TE.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:36 pm
I meant round two. See, what did I tell you about me not being right!
December 1st, 2014 at 10:37 pm
@DB55,
I can guarantee you he didn’t work out with Mike Williams. Besides having a bum hamstring, Williams was too busy partying, making rap videos, and destroying his rental property.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:38 pm
And my head, I’d be scratchin’
While my thoughts were busy hatchin’
If I only had a brain
I’d unravel every riddle
For any individual
With the thoughts you’ll be thinkin’
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain
Oh, I could tell you why the ocean’s near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I’d sit and think some more
December 1st, 2014 at 10:39 pm
It was a joke. You do realize 90% of what I post is sarcasm.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:48 pm
Hawaiian, I can name one.
His name is Joe Flacco, He was pure garbage until he became manageable, Matt Stafford had a cannon coming into the league, but He was garbage his first few years.
The right coaching, and mechanics can fix just about any serviceable quarterback. The Texans, and Titans are doing it right now with suspect quarterbacks.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:50 pm
” we were 4 – 12″
“I did not want to put points on the board before the half”
“real football doesn’t start until November”
Our head coach is a dumb ass.
Fire him.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:57 pm
Yea Hawaii what another j said.
December 1st, 2014 at 10:59 pm
O good…another Glennon sucks vs Glennon is good debate. Who won this time guys?
December 1st, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Hawaiian I called him the worst QB evaluator of all-time, and when you look at his list of QBs, isn’t it hard to argue? And as such, doesn’t that worry people if he’s involved in choosing a QB?
Anyways 16 games is an absurdly short time to evaluate a QB. If that’s the case Derek Carr and Blake Bortles need to be dumped as starters after the year. Glennon put up a better year than either, with a disaster going on around him last year. He still hasn’t gone into a season as the guy with a chance for maximum reps and the full confidence of the staff. You know that matters. If he gets to learn from a Brees/Payton or Arians, you can’t tell me he won’t get better.
If you think Glennon is dreadful, you must think McCown is pure dog feces because his numbers are worse, his decision making worse, and his win/loss record worse. Besides this is Lovie, he thinks he can win 10 games with Josh McCown and not in the “Haha he must be hammered” way, in the “holy Christ he’s serious” kind of way.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:07 pm
@Hawaiian
Evans may not have been the sure-fire pick, but a WR almost certainly was. Let’s see, you could trade up for Sammy Watkins, trading the farm for a guy not much better than Evans or Beckham. You could stay put and pick Evans. You could trade back and roll the dice on Beckham or Cooks still being there. Or you could’ve gone Jordan Matthews or somebody in the 2nd.
Between those 4 I think Evans was the obvious one IMO. We were desperate for a WR, and the good FA were already gone. We came away with Louis Murphy. Pro Analyst had us picking Evans, fans had us picking Evans, and I had us picking Evans.
Bottom line is whether you think it was obvious or not, it still did not take a keen eye for talent to pick Evans IMO, just like it didn’t to pick GMC.
As for the rookies, well, not all of them are starting, only 2 I believe. And for a successful team, see Raheem the Dream’s 2010 Bucs.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:08 pm
Glennon is our best QB on the roster.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Glennon can be good on a good coached team and him being coached properly.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:12 pm
if i was glennon i would beg to get off this team…wimpy ownership..stupid gutless team…run!
December 1st, 2014 at 11:14 pm
I think it’s a stretch to assume that a coache’s pre-game praises of an opposing QB means there is an intention to acquire him….not impossible but unlikely.
Glennon is a good prospect for the right team and already a solid backup. We should keep him unless we get real compensation 2nd round at least.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:26 pm
The OL has been changed all year. The system everyone learned was scraped some used some made up new. so now even McClown said HE was trying to learn it! McClown hears footsteps and makes the same mistakes a Glennon. Glennon was being clobbered and hearing footsteps. Arroyo the QB coach is playing OC. So Glennon has problems? HELL YA! Exactly what QB could operate under these conditions?
December 1st, 2014 at 11:41 pm
You know how the Bucs let all of their good players walk so they don’t have
to pay them? You know:
Talib Zuttah Bennett Blount Revis Mike Williams Connor Barth Donald Penn
Tim Wright Mark Barron and others?
Well you ain’t seen nothin yet until the Cannon hits a non-dysfunctional team.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:48 pm
Mark Sanchez was a joke last year. This year not so much.
December 1st, 2014 at 11:52 pm
Chip Kelly could have saved Freeman.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:05 am
I’m not sure anyone could’ve saved Freeman. Believe me, I’m a former Freemanite. He was/is talented, but somewhere between 2012 and 2013 he crashed mentally. For a guy that was praised for his high work ethic by his peers, first one in, last one out, to go to missing team meetings and photos and accepting interviews behind the team’s back is just bizarre. Granted, Schiano only fueled the flames with his handling of the situation, but Freeman is the one that crashed.
The fact that the Vikes had to lie about his “concussion symptoms” to send him back to 3rd string and that he wasn’t good ebough to back up Eli Manning in New York speaks volumes.
Glennon is a different story. Put him in a Chip Kelly or Andy Reid offense, and I think he would rack up wins. Not MVP or OPOY awards, but plenty of W’s.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:15 am
Ira Kaufman knows the real story about Freeman,but he’s not talking.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:19 am
This sounds crazy to me, but If Josh Freeman could have somehow landed on an offense coached by Norv Turner, He could have maybe saved Freeman.
Norv sucked as a head coach, but he can work magic with quarterbacks.
He did a great job with Alex Smith, Brees, Rivers, and Hoyer.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:48 am
@Walkdaplank,
I seem to remember that we could have chosen a QB. In particular a guy who was quite talked about on this here website. We had many needs. WR probably wasn’t our top need, but we smartly went BPA.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:57 am
The one and only coach that I believe can make just about any QB successful is Chip Kelly, but it’s just because his offense is so difficult to defend. But I still don’t think he could make Glennon as great as many of you are delusional to believe he is.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:58 am
You are absolutely right, we could have chosen a QB. But considering the way that the season has played out, it is clear QB was NEVER given a second thought in the minds of L&L. I’m starting to wish we HAD taken Johnny Clipboard looking at our QB status. But Lovie was all in on his boy McClown and stuck with Glennon.
There were many needs, still are. WR was up there only as a slot need, but after Mike Williams was dealt, I think it was a major need. Ghost Johnson was signed to be our “great” DE, Verner was signed to replace Revis, Collins was signed to replace Penn, EDS was signed to replace Zuttah. Nobody was brought on to replace Williams.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:05 am
Anyway, this is a pointless argument. We both know Lovie flopped on almost ALL of his personnel moves. I will give credit to him for pulling the trigger on Evans, but everybody knew he was great, some even went as far as to say he made Manziel. That’s not an eye for talent.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:18 am
Joe. Put down the pipe. The saints grand plan is not to dump Brees and have Glennon be their savior. You are smoking some really strong stuff today.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:22 am
It’s kinda sad when reading comments from supposed bucs fans, that they seem to like Glennon more than the head coach, general manager, owners, other bucs fans….. Will Glennons family please stop flooding this site with Glennon love. The guy just isn’t very good.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:25 am
@WalkdaPlank,
My point has always been that it’s too soon to say he’s terrible or great at personnel decisions, at least for the draft. Like all GM’s (and I call him a GM because he has so much influence), he will be tied to his draft. If the picks end up being busts, we will continue to suck and he will be fired. But we don’t know that yet. As for the free agents, he completely whiffed on Johnson, McCown and Collins. Like really really bad. No excuses, terrible! However, McDonald has been pretty damn good. Much better than what I expected. Verner has a mix bag of good and bad, but he played a totally different style in Tennessee, and everyone said he was going to take a while to adjust. He has tackled very well this year, and he played very well against Cincy. I don’t think he’s been terrible, but he hasn’t been great yet. Jury is still out. I think Louis Murphy has been a pretty good pickup. Too bad we don’t have any QB’s that can get him the ball. I know I’m leaving out some other bad acquisitions, so you don’t have to list them. This is why you don’t build through free agency, and why the draft is going to be essential to our team’s success.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:30 am
You guys are really missing Glennons biggest flaw. He can not handle pressure. On third down when the defense knows you are passing and they send heavy pressure, Glennon can not avoid a sack, he can’t move around in the pocket or escape through the back door. Sure if there is a lane he can step into it and maybe pick up 2 or 3 yards. Big whoop.
Secondly, Glennon sure has a strong arm. But it isn’t consistently accurate. He has a worse completion percentage than McCown does. Glennon is the 40th most accurate QB in the league right now… Let that sink in… 40th…. Please tell me where the potential is here. If you look at his third down conversion rate you will see how bad he really is. Third downs are the most crucial down and it is his worst down.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:36 am
I can agree on the draft, but just about every trade we have been fleeced on (save for the Mark Barron trade). And the FA signings have been terrible. Murphy has been good, McDonald has a Super Bowl ring. Verner I’m okay with, but wish wewould have kept Revis instead of using the money from his release to sign scrubs like Johnson, Collins, EDS, Jenkins, Fletcher, etc. And let’s not forget he traded a 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams.
Also the coaching hires have been bad as well. STC, DC, and the failure to step up and replace Tedford at the beginning of the season and throwing Arroyo to the wolves. I didn’t expect us to sign a stud, household name OC, just someone more qualified than Arroyo.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:38 am
No QB is ever going to do anything but run for his life playing behind
our Dumb-and-Dumber O-line.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:39 am
That’s an excellent point Trubucfan22! Unfortunately, it’s going to fall on mostly deaf ears. These guys have already made up their minds,which conveniently fits their agenda that Lovie is an idiot and can’t coach football. I love how some say he missed the playoffs 6 years, yet only made it 3 times. How many times have Schiano and Raheem made the playoffs? More importantly, how many times have these fans that hate Lovie so much made the playoffs? Nobody is saying Lovie is a hall of fame coach, but I can absolutely promise you he is far superior in football knowledge than every one of us on this board combined. To think otherwise is delusional. As for Glennon, I can honestly say that I wanted him to be great. I would have been happy with solid. Unfortunately, he’s neither. I have no agenda, except I want to see our team be great again. But I don’t unfairly attack our few really good players, and I don’t make excuses for our bad players. If Glennon really is as good as everyone makes him out to be, we would have had teams lining up to give us a premium pick to get him. Where were they? Kirk Cousins will be a more sought after QB,which tells you all that you need to know about what people think about Glennon.
December 2nd, 2014 at 1:47 am
@Walkdaplank,
I think we are in agreement more than we are in disagreement. Guys like Fletcher and Myers weren’t brought in to be starters, so I don’t consider them terrible acquisitions. The Gaines Adams trade was in Chicago, but he didn’t have the personnel power he does here. Plus, Gaines (RIP) had a heart condition that nobody knew about, so the talent Lovie saw could have been there,but was unable to be brought out due to his condition. We’ll never know, and I don’t even feel comfortable saying too much about Gaines.
I’m 1000000% in agreement with Revis. To me, that’s his worst decision. Even more so than the QB, because I don’t think we’d be any better record wise had Glennon started all year. Just my opinion.
I don’t think he could have done anything different than using Arroyo. You have to remember the timing of when it all happened. It happened at the end of the preseason. The offense had already been installed. There’s no time to bring in a new OC and install a new offense. It just doesn’t work that way. And who the hell was even available, and would agree to such a terrible situation, which would go on his resume? We were doomed from the start, and there truly is no one to blame on that one. It’s just Buc luck. There’s no point in even arguing that with me, because there’s no way in a million years anyone could ever change my mind. Now if we even consider the possibility of letting Arroyo in the building after the season ends, I take it all back. I feel very secure that won’t happen.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:04 am
I think a lot of college coordinators or coaches would’ve taken the job, to get a foot in the door. Again, nobody big, but Arroyo is not only inexperienced in the NFL, he is inexperienced period. Our OC is YOUNGER than our starting QB. There had to be at least ONE GUY who would take it.
What you say is true, an offense had already been installed in the minds, and a change would’ve conpletely messed them up. But would you rather they sign a guy and have the offense slowly learn the new scheme over the course of the season and possibly have it click later, or promote the inexperienced QB coach and have him run a broken version of the installed offense for the entire season?
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:15 am
@WalkdaPlank,
To be honest, I really don’t know which I would prefer. I guess it depends on who it would be. I just don’t know how much better getting an out of work, unwanted, college coach to be our coordinator at the end of the preseason would be. I kind of feel like whoever would take the job would be worse than Arroyo, which sounds preposterous, but I thought no one could get worse than EDS and I was proven wrong, so never say never. It was a no win situation, which was my point from the beginning. I know it seems like I’m making excuses for Lovie, but I honestly feel like this is a completely valid excuse, and I truly believe this absolutely killed our season before it began. I’m all for blaming someone for things they do wrong, and Lovie has done plenty wrong. I will not, however, blame him for something out of his control that could not be fixed. I couldn’t stand Schiano (as everyone knows), but I never blamed him for MRSA. Blame him all you want for the free agent busts, but don’t blame him for everything. When you really think of it, this season was a perfect storm of crap. There is so much crap from everywhere, no one person could produce this much crap on their own. Not even Schiano, and certainly not Lovie.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:18 am
this would be the best thing in the world for mike glennon to get away from lovie and learn from drew brees and sean payton!! saints can put a team around mike glennon and a real nfl o line to block for him.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:27 am
@Todd,
If Payton and Brees are such great people to learn from, why don’t they use their current backup? You can’t turn a mediocre QB into a franchise QB just because of coaching (again, with the possible exception of Chip Kelly).
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:30 am
@ hawaiian buc sure they can every one that leaves the buccaneers gets better!
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:31 am
plus are you kidding Hawaiian buc! luke mccown is drew brees back up lol
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:36 am
I don’t blame Schiano for MRSA, or Lovie for Jeff Tedford, or Dominik for Carl Nicks. Hell, I’m not even sure if I can blame Raheem for drafting Da’Quan Bowers. I can blame Schiano or Lovie for keeping him, but the guy was a top 5 pick before the injury, better than Clowney.
I don’t blame him for everything, and losing the way we do only infuriates me and beyond words, and I look at Lovie and watch his press conference and that doesn’t help at all. He got fired after a 10-6 season for a reason. He couldn’t get it done with all those weapons and all that time.
Before I said I didn’t want to fire Lovie out of fear of an even worse result next year. Now, I don’t even know what to think about him.
Guy needs to stay away from the mic, I’ll say that much.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:41 am
@WalkdaPlank,
I feel you. I don’t pay much attention to press conferences, because they are just coach speak. The only press conferences I ever enjoyed were Raheem’s,because you literally never knew what the hell he was going to say. I can guarantee you that if Lovie had his way, he would stay away from the mic, but it’s just part of his job. To me, there’s nothing he could say after a loss that would make me feel better. I don’t need him to call players out in the media. I can guarantee you that he calls them out behind closed doors (my buddy played for him for 2 years in Chicago). I don’t want him to act like Rex Ryan either. Like many coaches, he is just going through the motions. It doesn’t bother me on bit, nor does it make me feel one bit better.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:47 am
These losses are weighing on me, so imagine what it does to the players and coaches. I will say this, I’m glad we are at least competitive now. That makes me feel that we might be just a few players away, instead of about 20 like I felt earlier in the year. The losses are heartbreaking and infuriating, but hopefully we will take advantage in the draft. That’s the only thing that can make all this suffering worth it.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:49 am
Yeah, that was sarcasm, I think you get fined for not talking to the media. But when we lose,he says some of the dumbest things.
“I didn’t want to put points on the board”
“Football starts in November.”
“We’re still in it.”
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:58 am
what worries me is will lovie draft a qb in round one or stay the mccown glennon course ?
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:09 am
@Todd,
Me too.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:18 am
Lovie might go 2-14, a rookie QB who might struggle or might not even play does him no good. He needs to win next year, another 6-10 type year isn’t gonna play. Sorry to say McCown is a pretty sure bet to start the season next year, or some other vet. And again Lovie seriously thinks he can win 10 games with Josh McCown. QB might not be till the 4th round at earliest but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
I can’t believe I see Hawaiian saying we might be a few players away, if by a few you mean 8 at least. This isn’t a mediocre team yet, it needs to fill a lot of holes and build a lot more depth. This is why people are fixated on a QB because they think it’s the cure all to becoming a playoff team. Well yeah, for about 4 guys named Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Luck it sure does. The rest? You need a great team around them. Finding one of those guys isn’t as simple as picking high in the draft.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:50 am
That franchise will go from a probowler to a scrub who has zero downfield accuracy lol that’s an easy way to get a coach fired plus they’ll be quarterback to be had. Everyone in the nfc south is drafting high except one team, classic case of don’t believe everything you hear. Who other than the bucs gets rid of a franchise player (Doug Williams) without any kind of backup plan and Glennon is no backup plan
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 am
I’ve been a Bucs fan since 76 and I pay for it dearly since I live in Chicago and always have. Let me tell you that Lovie got fired for two reasons; he cannot evaluate talent and he’s a horrible game manager. I have no idea what Glennon is because Lovie can’t coach QBs. He’s never had one that’s looked worth a crap his entire coaching career. Does anyone think that’s by chance? He can’t manage games, hence all the 4th quarter losses this year. Close games challenge this man far beyond his capabilities. He’s not a head coach. My suspicion is that if there were as many offers for Glennon pre-draft as Licht says there were, his poor play is a combination of factors, including our line, Mike’s lack of pre-season snaps, his attitude, and our horrible coaching staff. Just don’t be surprised if he turns out to be a lot better than Dilfer and in the playoffs with another team.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:47 am
You guys are really missing Glennons biggest flaw. He can not handle pressure. On third down when the defense knows you are passing and they send heavy pressure, Glennon can not avoid a sack, he can’t move around in the pocket or escape through the back door. Sure if there is a lane he can step into it and maybe pick up 2 or 3 yards. Big whoop.
Secondly, Glennon sure has a strong arm. But it isn’t consistently accurate. He has a worse completion percentage than McCown does. Glennon is the 40th most accurate QB in the league right now… Let that sink in… 40th…. Please tell me where the potential is here. If you look at his third down conversion rate you will see how bad he really is. Third downs are the most crucial down and it is his worst down.
That might have something to do with the way our offensive line too.
They’re especially good at not blocking on 3rd down!
Just saying…
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:57 am
That might have something to do with the way our offensive line folds when there’s pressure…
They’re especially good at not blocking on 3rd down!
Just saying…
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:10 am
Glennon has’nt played enough for me to get an all around read on his capabilities. The O line and it’s problems have’nt done him or McCown any favors. They are not one man teams, so lack of even acceptable line play has skewed both QB’s actual potential effectiveness. I would never allow Payton and the Saints to get Glennon. I still think Glennon is the QB of the future in Tampa, either starter or backup. Lovie has’nt said he is’nt after naming him that earlier. Of course Lovie does’nt say much, so where he is on Glennon I have no clue.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:13 am
We have let a few franchise QBs go from the Bucs in years past, why not let Glennon go. I just don’t understand the whole philosophy of requiring a rookie to be like Brady/Manning from year 1. None of them were that in year 1. Oh well, let him go and when he is groomed and is still around in the NFL we can always just look back and say, “oh well, just another franchise QB we let go”. Nothing new to see here folks.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:22 am
Love how everyone is saying Glennon sucks when in reality, the offensive line is terrible, he never had a run game to help, and the defense has picked it up once he got demoted.
I still think he is better than McClown, but behind this O-line he would die, McClown can run around unlike Glennon, but Glennon makes better decisions than him and has a better arm.
If we can fix our O-line this offseason, I can see Glennon starting for us and doing well.
IT ALL STARTS UP FRONT!!!
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:26 pm
BucsAssassin76 Says:
I’ve been a Bucs fan since 76 and I pay for it dearly since I live in Chicago and always have. Let me tell you that Lovie got fired for two reasons; he cannot evaluate talent and he’s a horrible game manager.
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The whole truth.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:31 pm
The Cannon is as good as gone. We stopped playing him to keep his trade value higher.
Coach Lovie, “it’s simple”, Smith know more about offense than Bible and Payton?
We’ll get a meaningless fourth round pick for him and probably draft another turd with it.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Maybe Glennon never won the starting QB gig because stubborn goat “Rex is my quarterback” Lovie honestly was going to give the reigns back to McCown once his thumb healed regardless of Glennon’s play? I am starting to think Glennon could have thrown 30 TD’s and 0 INT’s and MCCown was going back in. McCown is Lovie’s hand picked guy
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Better keep Glennon…remember San Diego let Brees leave when he played just about like Glennon does now. Glennon will get better and he will be a starter in the NFL again.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Stupid move that will come back and haunt the Bucs, aka young, Williams and Dilfer. The kid is really good it’s just his line is horrible and play calling. If Saint get him he will ligh the Bucs up each and every year……stupid move
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:28 pm
The only game glennon played well this year was against the saints. Up until the fourth quarter he moved the ball well and read the defense good.
Maybe we can get back a third for him
December 5th, 2014 at 12:48 am
All those underthrown passes to Evans says his alleged rifle arm is a Lie, and his preempting Lovie about Buccaneer Lineups in the Media says Saints need only wait for Glennon to be CUT after the Draft. (If he is dealt as a throw in to a bigger draft day deal)
GLENNON IS WHO LOVIE THOUGHT HE WAS……When he signed McCown.