Jameis Watch: Rumblings In New York
October 27th, 2014
It’s Day 2 of Joe’s new daily feature: Jameis Watch.
Responsibly looking to the future, thanks to a trainwreck start to the 2014 Bucs season, Joe has his eyes on the prize.
And that prize is the Bucs drafting a quarterback with their first-round pick — in a quarterback-driven league. That star-in-waiting sure seems to be crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, national champion Jameis Winson, the pride of Florida State University.
Joe noticed Jets writers and fans already have turned their thoughts to the precocious 20-year-old QB.
That’s what happens when your one-win offense under a defense-minded head coach is horrible, your second-year quarterback is either pretty good or dreadful on any given day, and your backup QB is washed up.
Sound familiar?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
Hide your crab legs!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Lawrence Phillips……
October 27th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
This sorry excuse for an NFL football team really needs an electric player like Winston. I’m all in on the win for Winston watch.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
Just LOSE baby!
Bring me this kid to Tampa and lock me up for season tickets for the next 10 years!
Do RIGHT by us Glazers…Once and for all by GAWD do right by US!
You want my money huh? Well then tell Lovie to get this kid and I’m in like Flynn, forget all the sin…
Just LOSE Baby, just lose. Go Jets!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
I will hate hate hate lovie and licht if we don’t get Winston we already blew our chance on Manziel we better not f this up. I also believe we need to trade v jacks ASAP!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
The FJM is taking applications for season tickets. Call when ready operators will be standing by ready for your calls Buc fans.
The Famous Jameis Mob is forming…
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Oakland 0-7….and Jacksonvill 1-7 selected their francise QBs last year…..lots of help thus far….
NY Jets and Bills selected theirs the year before……both benched.
Time for the “Trench Mob” to stand up……we need extra picks to fix this team….
if we choose a QB with one of them….fine….but we need to fix these lines.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
YES TBBF….do whatever they want too. After they FINALLY draft a real true FRANCHISE QB.
This HAS to happen.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
I’m calling Derrick Brooks on the phone right now,,,I’ll be back in a few.
So Derrick my FSU brother from another mother. Let’s talk Jameis Winston to Tampa Bay? How do you like the sound of that idea?
Oh the radio guy is going to steal this one from me now….go ahead and ask the question he’s really not my brother.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Can anyone think of a draft that’s happened in the last 15 years where there hasn’t been a “franchise QB” coming out of the draft prior to draft day? Every year there’s a guy or 4 that are touted as the greatest thing ever so why the urgency to get this guy this year? Let’s get the monstrous lines that are going to carry this team for the next 15 years and then we’ll plug in one of the “franchise” QBs that come out in a year or two. We have to build it the right way
October 27th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
TBBF,
Preach one, the Trench Mob is here to stay.
We can see that our offensive and defensive lines are like swiss cheese.
What good is it to sign GMC to the $100 million dollar deal, if you don’t plan on getting him equipped with some help? GMC already has shown he CAN’T do it on his own.
As of the O-Line, good lord they are terrible something fierce.
Mark Dominick, thanks for your pidgeon-holing, stupid, and franchise setting back beliefs:
“I pride myself on not drafting offensive linemen”
-worst GM of the modern era
October 27th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Should be on the
Mariota Watch
October 27th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
It’s a race to first… first pick in the draft that is. Right now we are sitting pretty at 4. Still a long way to go, but as long as the Jets or Texans dont pick before us, we should be able to famous Jameis.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
I said it another thread, but Lovie traded Mike Williams for nothing because of dumb little things like leaving a mattress in his lawn and starting a grease fire while cooking.
No way in hell we’re getting Winston.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Honestly?
Truthfully?
There’s no way in hell the Glazers pay for a #1 draft pick.
They’ll make sure we win enough to avoid the 1st three picks.
You know how you see Bob Kraft, Art Blank and the Rooneys
jumping up and down and cheering for their team at games?
The camera pans to these real owners and you can see that
they’re the biggest fans in the stadium.
The Glazers truly truly could give half a worn-out **** about
NFL football. I said it before and I’ll say it again: They’re soccer
brats, plain and simple. All Tampa and the Bucs are to them is
a means to an end and they’ll hire Ari Fliecher to try and spin
it otherwise.
Glazers = No interest in American football and not honest with the fans.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Reminds me a lot of JaMarcus Russell. .I do not trust the kid to be the face of a franchise, never mind making him a millionaire. I don’t think he is responsible enough to handle it.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
@Dre – He’s doing nothing in Buffalo and barely on the team now. Maybe there was more to it than his off the field stuff.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
And Joe, first Johnny Football and now Winston. I didn’t know you were into bad boys. 😛
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Go get Mariota and I’ll just sit at home next season…and watch them continue to lose.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Tanketh for Jameth… yeah the Bucs stink like crap, and they are plugging up the sewer, may as well dig into the toilet tank to break the blockage.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
87
Blind side. With Collins in the game it won’t matter if we draft Dan Marino. What we need is a qb with eyes in the back, sides and front of his head. Oh and wr’s who can run routes in 1.1 secs cuz the qb only gets 2 secs to throw, at best!!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Lovie might have to look the other way in this case. The risks don’t outweigh the rewards with Winston.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
@Patrick in VA Very possible, but wasn’t he traded before camp even started? So I don’t know if the team would have been able to evaluate anything on-field.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Sorry, I’ll take Marcus Mariota over Winston. Mariota is more like a Russell Wilson, kaepernick type with a good head and off the field rep. Infamous Jameis is too much of a liability for me.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Another Aquib Talib in the making.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
They had film. They decided that they needed to bring in another QB before training camp based on film. Granted, it was a poor choice who they brought in but they could see what they were working with from the film and saw that they needed to make a change. The same could potentially be said for Williams
October 27th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
The Glazers own this team, NOT Lovie Smith and it’s going to take major PR to get ME to buy ANY tickets next season at all….after we go 2-14 this season.
That can all be fixed with one name called off on draft day….
One name and one name only..
That’s right the bad boy..the CrimiNole. The QB with ice in his veins the one and only Famous Jameis Winston!
Do the RIGHT thing Glazers…lean on Lovie now!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
BucFan20 Says:
October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Another Aquib Talib in the making.
___________________________________
Way to let the media potty-train you.
Talib is balling in Denver and having no problems at all.
We definitely should have kept Talib if we cared more
about winning than whining.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
I dont know if I would compare Mariota to Russell Wilson, but there is one QB in this draft that did remind me of Wilson and his name is Dak Prescott. There’s some good options at QB this year.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
DB55…yeah so let’s NEVER get a franchise QB….seeing how they grow on trees lets wat another 10 more years or so.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
HC
He was trouble here. Was ARRESTED HERE. Media did not ARREST him.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
The Jets are the one team I would worry about taking our future QB, whether it be Winston or Mariota. All the other terrible teams already pretty much have their QB’s. I do, however, think Winston in New York would have the potential to be very bad for them. He seems like the kind of kid that doesn’t need to be in NYC, at least not at this point. At least in Tampa, he will get the absolute least amount of coverage that he could possibly get. However, from our point of view, at least we would be somewhat relevant again. Who knows, maybe we’d even get a Monday night game?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Tim wright
7 catches 61 yards 1 Td
I swear his stats are better than both asj and Meyers combined.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Pathetic for anyone not to jump at this one and only chance to have a real franchise QB play for the Bucs.
FIX the O-line if you have to in the offseason. BUT you damn well draft a STAR in the first round or no one will buy ANY tickets for this SHYT ASS team Lovie is putting on the field.
Just roll Winston out a lot if you have to.
Just draft Winston, because they don’t come along too often. NOT like this they don’t. If they draft him I’ll send him POUNDS of crab legs on his Birthday.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Don’t win 4 Winston!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
I don’t think Jameis is smart enough to have success at the NFL level. Just another Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Geno Hayes, who struggled learning the playbook and were terrible at reading defenses. There is no time in todays NFL for these guys to learn. We should have drafted smart guy Jimmy Garoppolo. Maybe before the trade deadline we should trade New England VJax, etc… for Garoppolo instead of a late round draft pick in next years draft.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
@87 – Every year there’s a slew of guys that are supposed to be franchise QBs. People were pumped about Bridgewater as franchise guy. we saw him yesterday. Dude struggled with passes beyond 20 yards. That’s not a franchise guy. The pre-draft hype is out of control. We need to get the lines beefed up and I promise you that there will be a second coming of Montana in the draft whatever year it is that we finally have the foundation in place
October 27th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
I hope anyone takes him except the bucs. We need an o-line first.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
MARCUS MARRIOTA OR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
I wonder why we have so many behavioral issues with
players here in Tampa but they go somewhere else and
all of the Tampa drama just disappears overnight?
Weird like that.
It’s almost as if this organization uses character assassination
to get rid of big contracts in order to save the Glazers money.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
@ DB55
Bet Tom’s stats are better than Glennon’s too, which brings us right back to QB…lol
October 27th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
@patrick
Finally someone other than me with some sensible logic. Most people on here commenting are complete idiots that really just need to focus on shutting the f up.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
87
I hear ya! Idk I like the glennon kid. I’m a dumb ignorant homer, I know. When he has time to throw he can throw. But whatever, the bucs will suck no matter what. I’m beginning to come to grips with this fact.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
9 out of 10 qb’s that come out suck. And Winston will be no different. He’s too stupid to be a franchise qb. It will absolutely be josh freeman all over again. And you can mark that down and come back to me 3 years from now and I’ll say ha kiss my ass.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Winston will be raising the Lombardi in 3 years no matter where he goes. So I’ll come back TheFool in three years.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Mariotta or Prescott. No one else will do.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
The kid gets himself in trouble all the time….and it NEVER shows up on the field.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
@Kevin – I wouldn’t call them idiots. I get it. They want a quick fix and getting a flashy QB seems like it would be a quick fix. I just don’t see that we have the pieces in place to let a QB work in this league. I’m not on board with Glennon anymore but I know he could be a lot better if he had time to work and an effective run game. Any rookie QB you bring in here will be the same way. QBs are fragile minded butterflies and if they get rattled those first couple years because we can’t protect them then they’ll be shell shocked like Derek Carr. Conversely, if we build the lines up then when the new QB of the future gets here then we can protect him and let him grow and the fact that we can play well enough to function despite his rookie mistakes, instead of relying on him to be the sole source of talent, then we might be able to keep a coaching staff in place for a little while and have the team actually develop in the same system.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Andrew 1: I compare Mariota to Wilson because of his cool calm demeanor as a leader and the ability to use that on the field. I compare him to Kaepernick because of his legit speed and effectiveness running the pistol. He can make all those throws. He is more often than not the fastest player on the field.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
If we had an o-line that was at least halfway decent then yes get a qb. But hello idiots. Have you not watched this o-line play? Anyone with any football knowledge will tell you stupids on here that everything starts upfront. O-line and d-line and you idiots come on here and start yelling for a qb like we have an 0-line that’s doing anything right. Lmao the level of stupidity is mind blowing. Lol
October 27th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
@patrick
Oh no they are indeed idiots.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
@patrick
Please stop you are making way too much sense. You may crash the site lol
October 27th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Yeah let’s go 5-11 next year and watch Winston take some other team to the playoffs in his first season…
Let’s just continue to suck…that’s what some of you deserve. So yup I’m with you let’s suck next season too and the year after that one as well.
Pathetic every one of you lot.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Winston won’t be a quick fix….by no means.
This team needs much more than a QB.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Hahaha…87′ you got high hopes for Winston. Hope it works out, but he could be a bust like all the other rookie QBs this year that got drafted.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
If the clown show organization as the Jets wants him, isn’t that the ultimate red flag?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
So you’s 2 can throw out that notion that I think he’d be a quick fix.
By no means at all. I mean this team is never in the right spot to take a franchise QB and in MY honest opinion that’s what I think Jameis was last season and nothing’s going change my opinion on the matter regardless.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Oh yeah, trenchmobrepresent
#wewillnotbedeniedlikeagreatlinewontbedenied
October 27th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
@87 – Every time the previous regimes swung and missed on draft picks and FA signings people said multiple times that it set the franchise back X number of years. Now you’re getting upset that it’s taking that many years to get things back on track. You think that Winston is going to come in here and light the world on fire but his teammates are all 4 and 5 star players. They’re as good or far better than all of their competition. That will not be the case at all if he comes to Tampa. We’re not ready to get a QB. I want to be there as bad as you do but the reality is that we’re just not there.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Wanting to draft a QB and at the same time saying and fix the OL. Well. Which is it? In other words fix the OL so when you throw your new QB to the wolves he does not get killed! Smart.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
@ buc1987
What makes you so sure he’s a star?
Because the geniuses at bspn say so?
Well I say your wrong because history tells us most end up sucking.
Every year they pump someone up to just watch him fail.
I have a much better chance of being right than you do because of the history.
How about build up our o-line so we can protect a qb? Oh no lets throw in a rookie and watch him run for his life every play lol.
Real smart dude. Real smart
October 27th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Winston’s odds in being in prison within 3 years are at least 500 times higher than winning the Super Bowl. Unless it’s as a backup, certainly not as a starter.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I thought you wanted a mobile QB? Winston isn’t mobile. He has rushed for 47 yds this year. Is that mobile to you? Mariotta has 325 yds rushing and Prescott has 664 yds rushing. Winston’s stats aren’t impressive at all.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Ha! just open your eyes people. Especially you bitter Gator fans.
My WIFE and my mother will be some of the first two shopper’s for his jersey the day after he’s drafted… We’ll be needing 7 please. Cha ching cha ching as the cash register spins around and round.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
TEEBOW Oooooo lmao jk
October 27th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
87 if ticket sales and jerseys mattered they would have drafted Tebow. Winston is a head case at best and a cancer at worst. You think Lovie’s getting himself into that?
Start with being on the fire Lovie train if you want Jameis. Only shot of it happening is if Lovie isn’t here. But Lovie’s taking Mariota and Hundley every day of the week ahead of Winston.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
@87
Please pass that sh*t this way. i have got to try whatever your smoking. Gotta be good.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
@”TheClueless”
I don’t watch all that much espn…all they do is try to smear him these days..
I do know college scouts have wanted him since he played JV football. I also kow that he was thee NUMBER 1 college recruit in the country when he signed with FSU.
I do know that he’s deadly accurate with football. I have 2 eyes I don’t need espn.
I do know that he processes things very quickly on the field.
I do know that our o-line sucks, but that can be fixed through the draft and free agency again.
I do know that I won’t be buying any season tickets or 7 jersey’s if they don’t draft Winston.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
I think Glazers will GET Lovie into that!
October 27th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Winston is leaps and bounds above mariotas ability. Bigger body, Bigger arm, better accuracy and by far the fastest release in CFB.
With that said, I don’t want to waste a top pick on him. If we could snag him in the 3rd or late 2nd, defiantly.
O line, Safety, edge rusher and MLB upgrade.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
I don’t think a 13 TD to 6 Int ratio is as you say, “Deadly accurate with football”.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
See ya at the scouting combine fella’s, then we’ll talk. Talk to me after that and the 2-14 season we’re headed for.. The college football season is still young as well.
Too early to ramble with you dissenters right now!
So ramble amongst yourselves for now and talk O-line and DE’s and all that BS that won’t sell a damned ticket.
Have a nice day! 🙂
October 27th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
With the first 3 picks…
OT
OG
C
October 27th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RastaMon knows where it’s at #trenchmobiscoming
October 27th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
Skyline Crew…no point and drawing up stats right now….I’ve seen every game from last season to this season. Your stats mean BS to me. I have businessmen on my side their last name is Glazer and they like money.
See ya man.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
@87 – you need to go be a Jets fan if all you’re interested in is moves made to sell tickets
October 27th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
You really think Jameis is a better pick than Marcus Mariota? What I have read from a lot of scouts is the Jameis is dropping like our db trying to catch a ball or VJ take your pick. I would say he is a bigger risk than Johnny football, at least Johnny has brains. This kid could be great but from the what he has shown he will take longer than Cam to grown up. And Lovie and company might not have that long. Hell its clear that change is needed at more than the QB position. I would unload anyone and everyone we can now b4 the trade deadline and look to next yr. Only good drafting is going to fix this mess. And this season was doomed from when our OC went down. I only wish our division was better so there wasn’t any hope. I know its sad to give in but this team has been hard to cheer for yrs now.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
87 is an FSU homer so obviously a massive grain of salt comes with his opinion. Does 87 really believe Jameis would look as good behind our pathetic team, especially
Arizona is 6-1 with Carson Palmer. Buffalo is 5-3 and might be 7-1 if they rolled with Kyle Orton from week 1. Great teams win in the NFL, not great QBs. And we ain’t even close to being a mediocre team let alone a good one.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Don’t know why it cut off the first paragraph but I was gonna say behind that disaster of a line. The lines people. It’s what we gotta do. it’s what all the very best teams do. Not a single great team has gotten there with a terrible line
#itstartsinthetrenches.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
And what happens if Jameis turns out to be another Jamarcus Russell? Waste an overall #1 pick?
Or what if he’s actually borderline and at least comes up to Vince Young and we get six years out of a 3rd overall pick.
The only surefire QB drafts in the past few decades…John Elway and Andrew Luck.
Remember when Jim Rome spent everyday for months leading up to the draft saying how horrible Peyton Manning was…deriding him with first names of notorious draft busts like Piscarcik Manning etc…all the while he claimed Ryan Leaf was the obvious top choice.
Nobody doubts Jameis skill set in college. Will it translate to the pros. Is he smart enough or a cement head. Is he Russell Wilson or Jamarcus Russell?
Well his off the field activities do not indicate a bright person. I get the mistakes. The girl MAY have wanted it. A grocery clerk MAY have told him to help himself with crab legs…the cursing…the….you know where I’m going.
Is all of Jameis brain dead behavior due to immaturity or is he actually that stupid? Why risk it when you have Mariotta who has been a model citizen, modest and displays a tremendous work ethic. Or Connor Cook who has been looking good this year and who is also 6-4 218?
If you’re a Nole should eliminate yourself from this conversation for conflict of interest. I appreciate your love for Jameis he got you a title. But really C’MON MAN…Jameis is a cement head.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
StPeteBucsFan:
With that mentality, why even draft? Every guy drafted could be a bust.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Not sure if Manning could win with this team right now. After watching the Patriots & Steelers this weekend it’s obvious we need playmakers and really have few on this team. Seems like everyone on the Bucs is looking for the other guy to make a play. It’s the QB sure, but can you catch the freaking ball? Can you hang on to the ball? Can you at least make a couple of big plays a game that might change the outcome!! Right now there are no game changers on this team.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Just listen to Jameis Winston’s Heisman acceptance speech. That’ll tell you everything about his intelligence level. The guy is dumb as $&$* and can’t stay out of trouble to top it off. He’s a punk. Don’t draft him.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Unfortunately, I dont see any of the highly regarded college QBs making a big difference on this team. The Bucs organization always seems to find a way to sqaunder talent and the past few regimes haven’t been able to put players in a position to succeed. I don’t see that changing. The organization has done a good job of making me a pessimis.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
Go in-FAMOUS for JAMEIS!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
@Joe
Yes every draft pick is a gamble. Some however are greater than others. Jamarcus Winston….er Jameis Russell…er Jameis Winston has fallen like a rock in the draft projections precisely because of his ignorant (in the literal not pejorative sense) behavior.
I will concede that perhaps this is a man child who is simply acting like a 15 year old and that perhaps he might grow up one day. Nobody doubts his physical skill set. But he’s obviously not a critical thinker and his priorities in life are so skewed that selecting him makes what is always a gamble and even greater gamble,.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
I’m telling you go with with Mariotta if you want a big mobile QB that is accurate. Prescott isn’t bad either and he could be had in the late 1st or even early 2nd. Of course that would mean trading up in the late 1st for him.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Not going to even argue w. people about Winston. Think what you want, just remember what you said about him when he dominates in the NFL. For record, I have NEVER said that about any FSU QB ever.
DON’T WIN 4 WINSTON!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
@Skyline – If we got a rock LT that we could lean on for over a decade with the first pick then I wouldn’t be upset at all if we packaged our 2nd pick with a pick we get for Vjax and move up to get Prescott or another solid QB that’s sitting there. I’d be even happier if we used those picks to get a stud center but I get that probably won’t be the case
October 27th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
As well as boyer is playing you could prob trade them vjax for manziel. Trade down in the draft in the off season get some oline help, corner, another play maker
October 27th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
Please not another fat head case that wears the number 5. This will doom the franchise for years to come. Oakland just got out from under the JaMarcus Russel pick. Let’s get some real coaches here first
October 27th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
It’s QB or bust with our first pick. There’s not even a question. You won’t have 2 QB’s of this caliber coming out for a while. And even if there is, we BETTER not be in position to draft them. 2015 is our chance to get what we’ve never had – a franchise Qb. Let’s not blow it.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
We need some secondary as well.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
And to all those thinking we are going to fire Lovie, forget about it. He’s not going anywhere. No matter how many times you post it on JBF, it’s not going to happen, period. Move on.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
No to Jameis No to Lovie Smith.
If we don’t fire Lovie Smith he is going to pick Jameis and Blame all our faults on not having HIS guy at QB.
We Don’t need a QB we need an Offensive line and a better defense.
Keep Mike Glennon
October 27th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
Hawaiian dude, realistically do you honestly see us not being in the top 10 for the next few years? Don’t use hope, be realistic. I think we’re in for a couple more top 10 picks after this year. So build up the lines first and in a few years when we’ll still be in the top 10, go after a QB then. But this is a horrible team that is years away from meaningful December football.
Mariota and Winston are not generational talents. I’d say they’re right about in line with Ryan Tannehill, nice ceiling but not a lock at all.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Winston is the man. Bring me someone who is confident in his ability, someone who elevates the play and confidence of his teammates, one who is not scared of the moment, someone who will run the extra half yard to pick up a first down!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
Funny thing is last season you all were saying that we HAD to draft a QB because we would never be in this position again. No its the same song and dance. Lol, We need to fix the trenches, the QB can wait. No QB will be able to do anything behind these garbage ass lines we have at the moment. Lovie’s Defense is AWFUL. After going all out on Offense last year, no way he chooses a QB over a Defensive player. But let the whining and proclaiming begin now until the draft.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RastaMon Says:
October 27th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
With the first 3 picks…
OT
OG
C
________________
Finally someone with common sense.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Is a good oline important? You bet, but you don’t need one in order for your QB to look good or mask some of the ills a team may have. Aaron Rogers oline has sucked for years, his defense has been suspect and they just got a rb last draft. Funny how he still elevated his team. THe same can be said for Big Ben. The past few years, his oline has sucked, his running game has not been steeler like until this year and his defense has been on the decline, yet they can hover around .500 and sometime squeak into the playoffs. Look at Romo. His defenses has always been horrible and the oline just became good this year, yet his team stayed around .500. Our current QB sucks and adding a talent like winston may put us closer to a playoff berth with or without a strong oline.
THats three names off the top of my head that shows having a franchise QB can change your fortunes pretty quickly. You may not win a SB, but you won’t have worry about this crap we are looking at right now with Glennon. Going 9-7 with the possiblity of 11-5 is a lot better than 2-14 with the possibilty of 4-12 which all glennon is.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Joe – if you believe that the gamble of selecting a QB with a high 1st round pick is what this franchise should do – then why are you backing the wrong horse? Mariota is the obvious choice so I can only assume you will be talking incessantly about Winston for the next 6+ months in order to boost “discussion” (LOL) on these comments threads. It worked pretty well last offseason as you maintained and defended your mancrush for Johnny Football. So the pattern seems to be that Bad Boy QBs are good for business.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Once drafted, the alleged rapist will no longer have the benefit of the Barney Fife Tallahassee Police Dept. looking the other way every time this imbecile does something stupid and illegal.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Somebody mentioned Dak Prescott who if I’m not mistaken is just a junior. Does anybody know if he plans to come out early?
Does that depend on whether the Gators can lure Dan Mullen from Starkville to Gainesville?
I haven’t seen enough of Prescott to claim any real expertise. What I have seen shows me this dude is tough and he is a WINNER. He reminds me of Tebow in more than just his uni number and position.
And so the question for you armchair experts…Does Prescott have an NFL arm something Tebow clearly lacked.
If you guys tell me Prescott can toss the pigskin at NFL skill levels he would be my first choice. I really like what this guy has accomplished. What I have seen of him seems to indicate more accuracy than Tebow…but who isn’t more accurate than TT? And I like Tebow a lot…just gotta tell the truth.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Bringing up Romo to say we shouldn’t draft OLine is a bad idea because they’re finally playing well…after investing in their offensive line for a few years. So yeah, you’ve made the trenchmob’s point for it, invest in OLine and mediocre Romo is finally going to the playoffs again.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
I have no problem tanking at this point –
October 27th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
The Bucs don’t need to tank anything. If they just keep playing like they have been, there will be no need to tank – the losses will come anyway.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:28 pm
Its Lovie Smith we’re talking about here…
Does anyone honestly believe he will draft Winson?
I want a “Franchise QB” as much as the next guy, but the reality is that the Bucs have almost zero talent.
Look at the team.
On defense, you have a great defensive tackle and a great outside linebacker… and the talent falls off dramatically from there.
On offense, we have a couple of good receivers, a good tight end, and maybe a decent running back (hard to tell with this line).
That’s a LOT of holes to fill.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Trade back a few times and get some extra picks. We need all we can muster. Carson Palmer and Hoyer could be FA next year. Also, Maclin could be as well as Cromartie and Suh.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Really Joe??? You hoping for him on the Bucs explains a lot about you. I’m mean really want him as you Franchise QB?? Wow!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
I believe in Winston too. He’s a better athlete and better statistically than Luck. He’s a proven winner. That last drive in the championship against one of those precious SEC defenses was all the proof I’ve needed. Mariotta is ok. He’s no Wilson, but he’s also not a cold blooded killer either. He wins the winnable games and Bucs away the tough ones. He doesn’t have a big arm, he’s not super accurate….I think of all the top QBs he’s the most likely to bust actually.
Jameis all the way. He gets the job done the way I want. He rolls up points, doesn’t stop and when the chips are down and the defense crumbled (ahem) he has pulled out the wins. Because the guy stole crab legs.. He’s persona non grata? Come now. There’s no good reason to not want Jameis.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:44 pm
StPete,
Prescott has been compared to Tebow except he can throw. He has said that if he is projected in the 1st rd he will come out for the draft, but if he isn’t he said he would stay. Will see on that.
“He had 13 rushing touchdowns a year ago, and already has eight this season. What we didn’t see coming was his significant improvements from the pocket as a passer. Prescott has a really nice, quick release and makes his throws look effortless.”
“Mariota throws more passes but runs gorgeously; Prescott runs more but throws like a pro (and better than some pros). Mariota dazzles as some sort of spritely optical illusion; Prescott leads with a great big sense of presence and will. Mariota makes you want to watch to the point it’s annoying when the opponent has the ball; Prescott makes you want to join the team and do whatever he says.”
October 27th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
Kalind, I remember a guy who “just won” TEBOW.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
Joe mentioned it earlier….roeth will be a FA next year….
October 27th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Tebow can’t throw. He doesn’t have as good an arm as my sister
October 27th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
I see many out there clamoring for Marcus Mariota. If we have an opportunity to draft Jameis Winston and we draft Mariota instead, I may become physically ill. I could stomach drafting OL and sticking with Glennon more than drafting Marcus Mariota. I think that if Jameis is there, you pull the trigger. But I am almost certain Lovie would steer clear of Jameis. That said, if I am the Glazers and have an opportunity to draft Jameis, I tell Lovie to do it, or find somebody that will..
October 27th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Are people forgetting that is Jameis didn’t play football he might be in jail right now? FSU is protecting him and he is STILL acting like a retard. You’d think he’d be keeping his head down, but no, he’s a moron. Manziel was immature, Jameis is a moron.
Also Winston possesses many of the characteristics of a sociopath. There’s a reason more than half the teams in the league don’t have him on their draft board right now. Why would they? Vince Young 2.0.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Jameis is nothing but trouble and is clearly not mature enough to handle money. I can’t believe Joe is rooting for him, the bucs need solid character fist and foremost. Your credibility just took a big hit Joes
October 27th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Whoa Skyline!
That’s a thought. GMC and Suh on the same line. Don’t they basically play the same position? Is there room on the DL for both of them. What a combo. Suh has the mean streak GMC totally lacks. Might help fire him up.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
@Skyline again
Thanks for the review of Prescott. He’s my favorite. Sad to see all those who bleed Garnett and Gold letting their judgment being clouded on Jamarcus Winston…er Jameis Young…er Jameis Russell.
He may be the next Cam Newton instead of those others I mentioned…who cares…crab legs? Somebody mentioned crab legs? If it was JUST the crab legs or just the rape charges or just the moronic cursing…but enough is enough.
This guy is either incredibly immature or a cement head. Somebody pointed out his Heisman acceptance speech seemed to reveal the latter.
QB is perhaps the only position that requires real brains…maybe middle linebacker…I don’t want to see a numbskull behind center.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Another FSU player in trouble with the law? Jimbo is gonna take a heart attack like Urban to get out of the disaster he’s creating.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
In 38 years this team has not a reliable year in, year out franchise QB. Look at Indy- they probably are going to have a streak of about 25 years where they had consistent great QBS–all because they tanked the one year Luck was coming out and they pulled the trigger.
If you have a top 5 pick and you need a QB and a great one is there, you have to take that QB because you don’t want to be in the top 5 ever again!
What I can’t understand here is why Joe is banging the drum for Jameis when Mariotta looks like a much smarter pick.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
I’ll take Mariota or Winston. Winston is more of an off-the-field gamble, Mariota is more of an unknown commodity on the field.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
@chris – banging the drum for jameis winston is simply better for joebucsfan.com. he is an in-state product we hear about\see weekly, and much more polarizing figure, and throwing his name out there keeps the comment section active with fans debating the importance of character vs talent. i’m not saying this is why Joe does it, but i’m sure Joe noticed the movement in site traffic whenever he mentioned a certain other controversial college QB last year.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
It’s the polarizing part more than anything. Mariota would have some detractors but they’d be mild. Winston is a lightning rod who has people who will intensely defend him and some who think he’ll be another trouble college player who goes bust. Polarizing always draws more page views.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
@bucrightoff,
That’s just it, I do see him as that talented. I don’t even like the guy. I’m a Gator. I cheer against him every week. But you know what, that guy just keeps on winning. He won the Heisman as a freshman in a pro offense. Nobody else has ever done that (no, Tebow and Manziel didn’t run a pro offense).
On the field, what do you see wrong with this kid? Give me a flaw. I sure as hell can’t find one. I totally understand if you don’t like him off the field. That’s understandable, and the reason I won’t go ape sh!t if we pass on him. But to say he’s not superbly talented (one of the more talented guys to come out in a long time) is just plain wrong. He puts up crazy numbers, and he never loses. Literally never loses. He is a pure pocket passer, who is incredibly intelligent ON THE FIELD. Again, if you are against him for the off the field stuff, absolutely no argument from me there. But you are going to have to give me more than Ryan Leaf comparisons and saying his team is stacked to knock his on the field play.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
I’m trying to eliminate myself from the Mariota type, because I am incredibly biased. I’ve never met him, but I have a bunch of friends that do, and I’ve never heard a bad thing about him. That would just be too cool from my point of view. If he busts though, I would probably defend him no matter what. I do not believe I could honestly critique him.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
***I’m trying to eliminate myself from the Mariota talk
October 27th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
@ bucrightoff
Its obvious you missed my point. I guess I have to get elementary here. Regardless of how horrible Romo’s oline was for years, he still put up unbelievable numbers and had his team in position to win their division/make the playoffs. He showed the ability to make plays outside the pocket when the line broke down on many occasions. My point is I would rather have a QB that can take a team with a poor line, poor defense and have us in the playoff hunt then a QB who needs to have a great defense, a great line just to be considered an average QB ala Glennon. A franchise QB would have more than 1 win this this current buccaneer roster. Unfortunately we do not have one. Bring in WInston please.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
@ HawaiianBuc
I couldn’t agree more. What scares me about Mariotta is he does not play in a pro style offense. The reads he has to make in his current offense is limited just like Manziel and RG3 was. Has anyone notice how much RG3 has struggled since he has been asked to read the entire field the last two seasons. He is having problems doing that. Players like Luck and Russell Wilson who have come from pro style offenses with elite talent/skill sets transition much better and faster than Qb’s from non pro offenses. Winston is the choice.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
If you want him here, I hope you don’t have a daughter that works at Publix.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
That’s the whole point though Hawaiian, with the Leaf comparisons. On the field Leaf in college produced to the level people actually considered him a better prospect than Peyton. Whether you agree with those people’s (obviously wrong in hindsight) opinions is irrelevant, they thought them
If for instance Andrew Luck was available this draft, and so was Winston, Luck would be an even bigger lock to go #1 than he was going up against RGIII. Winston is a nice prospect, but not a generational talent, and when you factor in the major ref flags, is not happening for the Bucs if Lovie is coach. Mariota on the other hand Lovie would definitely pick because everything you read about Marcus is about how he’s an outstanding individual.
As much as I don’t think drafting a QB matters right now (trenchmob represent!), I wouldn’t have a big problem with Mariota. If anything with how crappy the line is he’s the better pick because he can save himself with his legs. But Winston is a major risk, one that cannot backfire given that he’s been labelled as a massive risk. Lovie is risk averse, we all know it. He’s not hitching his future to Crab Legs.
October 27th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Tim, why do we play the game? If we drafted Winston and he put up Romo like numbers, and we were consistently 8-8 and choking in big moments, would we all be excitied that we had a good QB who doesn’t win? I assume we all want to win right? Again, Carson Palmer is QB of the team with the best record in the NFL. He is not elite or anything close, but with a great team around him and sound play from him, they are a threat to win it all, no doubt about it.
Lest we forget Manziel to the Boys seemed very possible this offseason. Cowboy fans were pretty much done with Romo. Who wants to be 8-8 with a good QB? Meh. Winning is what matters. And the team, not the QB, is what makes a winner. See Peyton Manning, 1 Super Bowl; Eli Manning, 2 Super Bowls.
October 27th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
So it sounds like, “crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering,” Aqib Talib is coming back?
Sign me up. He’s actually pretty good now.
October 27th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
This is setting up so bad for us…
We have our worst season in years, we need a QB, and the sure-est thing about the big talent QB is his eventual run-in with trouble.
If there is any can’t-miss talent in this draft other than Winston, regardless of the position, we have to take ’em… But other than RB, which other can’t miss prospect is coming out?
gahhhhh
Bad days as a Buc fan…
October 27th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
The only way that emotional tard makes it in the NFL is if the culture on the team he goes to puts the fear of god in him(i.e. patriots, green bay)….In Tampa the Mons/Ybor/shallow party culture here will tear him apart….As it did with Freeman, several lightning players and nearly swallowed Longo….I don’t trust that kid in this town…my bad is sho being real again….
October 27th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
MARIOTA!!!!!!!
October 27th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
The Bucs are QB killers, they don’t last long on this team. What makes anyone think Winston would be any different? I’ll grant it that he is a good player on the college level, that does’nt mean he is assured that success as a pro talent. On the right pro team he very well could live up to the expectations of his supporters. I don’t expect the bucs to get him, but I’ll remain neutral on whether or not they should.
October 27th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
@bucrightoff,
Talent has nothing to do with off the field stuff. He’s not the same type overall prospect as a guy like Luck, but that’s only because of his off the field issues. If it were purely based on what he does on the field, I think he’d be right there with him. However, you are 100% right that Luck would be picked before him. If he doesn’t do some damage control, he may not even be a first rounder this year. He’s a crab leg theft away from being a Honey Badger situation. I just think we better do a lot of homework on him, because if he can straighten himself out, he could be phenomenal. But yes, he is a huge risk. With our current status, I’m willing to take a risk. If both were available, I would probably go Mariota, but again I am very biased with Mariota.
October 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Oh Jameis Oh Jameis where art thou Jameis?
In Tallahassee keeping the Seminoles alive for a playoff run…
I’ll pick you up at the airport if you like Jameis. We can go to red lobster for all u can eat crab legs on me and Joe too for that matter.
October 27th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
I’m curious Joe; right now do the Bucs win tiebreakers over the Jets and Jags (and Titans, Deadskins and Raiders for that matter as they are in the #1 overall sweepstakes as well)????
I guess the Bucs would win tiebreakers against all the other bottom feeders as the teams in the NFC South have such poor records that the Bucs have to have one of the weakest strength of schedules in the NFL besides Atlanta who counts the 1-6 Bucs twice instead of their own 2-5 record twice like Tampa does….
October 28th, 2014 at 12:02 am
Way too far away from that bridge to cross.
October 28th, 2014 at 5:44 am
No doubt Winston is a great talent in both football and baseball, but pro sports are working in their image these days. Nt to mention he is no good for the Bucs if he is suspended or in prison. I say pass. I think you see him drop in draft status because of the big name issues this year. If he stayed in college another year it may help with short memories, but then he will have to face the music on the investigation.
October 28th, 2014 at 9:56 am
Screw the past! Winston is going to be good , pressure does not effect him, he can make plays with his arm and his legs. We as Buc fans have never had a great QB , don’t we deserve one? And if I remember correctly, there were questions about Sapp coming out of college. They are kids, kids do stupid things. Draft him and let’s see what a real QB looks like.
October 28th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
The hypocrisy on this site makes me smile.. So Joe, you’re against Richie Incognito coming to the Bucs because of his off the field issues, but it sounds like (and I hope i’m wrong) you’re all for Jameis Winston in this upcoming draft? The kid is a train wreck off the field, the Bucs should ABSOLUTELY pass on him in the draft because he WILL be a distraction off the field at some point. You can bet money on it. His track record already isn’t very favorable only being in school two years, and even Bo Jackson expressed concern after his attempt to mentor him failed. He is not mature enough to be put in the drivers seat of a professional football organization. All of you who are already on board with it must not be watching many games this year. Both the Defensive and Offensive lines need work, they’re a disgrace. Why would you draft a quarterback and have him start right away behind a patchwork offensive line? Lovie smith has yet to draft a defensive player in the draft, well the best time to start would be in the top 5. Keep drafting bodies onto the D line until someone sticks, because once the pass rush is successful everything else on the defense will fall into place.