“It’s Gotta Scare You”
October 6th, 2014
Fear is in the air and it’s not even Halloween.
Yes, there are highs (Mike Glennon), but the lows have analysts freaking out.
Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) was very down on the play of Bucs’ Pro Bowl left guard Logan Mankins in New Orleans.
“Logan Mankins, I tell you what, was terrible yesterday,” Beckles said on WDAE-AM 620. “The safety was his fault. He had a bunch of other plays where he was just getting drubbed. The takedown? You’re too old to be taking somebody down like that [for a holding penalty] because they call that 10 out of 10 times.”
“I’m worried about the offensive line that can’t hold up. I’m worried about our tight ends that can’t catch the ball. Our receivers can’t run the ball. Our running backs aren’t anything special.
“But it’s gotta scare you when you win the turnover battle and you make big plays on defense, you score the touchdowns on defense and you still lose.”
Beckles went to praise No. 8 as the top dog in the offense, though added an interesting point: the Bucs’ offense struggled again in the first half yesterday.
“Glennon played well, but we still have no points with three minutes left in the first half. That’s a problem,” Beckles said. “He played well. Does he have to play fantastic for us to score any points?
“We can’t lose those games. A lot of things went our way and we still lost.”
Joe’s not too fearful of the Bucs offense like Beckles is. Joe’s worry lies on defense, where the Bucs have plenty of talent but a very experienced coaching staff with no answers.
You can listen to Beckles’ full rant below, via 620wdae.com audio.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
The first half struggles don’t fall on Glennon’s shoulders. he put plenty of passes on the money that fell to the ground and the run game didn’t happen.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
Beck is right, besides, Joe needs to explore what what up with his Man-Crush, ASJ……dude with three names should at least be on time, especially on the road.
More there than meets the eye.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
imagine if we still had the tim wright / mike glennon connection.
imagine we still had a 1st round pick.
and a bunch of salary cap to boot.
and maybe a motivated incognito.
yeah, that licht if a jeenius
October 6th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
4th round pick i meant
October 6th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
That takedown was actually the defender taking Mankins down, go watch the film. He wraps up Mankins, turns him and then falls backwards pulling mankins down with him, really a thing of beauty, as it got the desired result which was the holding call. But it was definitely the defender who instigated the holding and take down.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Logan Mankins didn’t lose yesterday’s game, the team did.
The Bucs offense scored 24 points and the defense scored 7 points. Should be good enough to win, even in New Orleans.
Sad fact is the Bucs are committing really stupid penalties. Sure the refs made some bad calls (some REALLY bad calls), but the Bucs shot themselves in the foot with 15 penalties (actually more than that, because N.O. turned down several).
Penalties, combined with mediocre linebacker play far too often, cost them big time. They did it to themselves again.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Really simple on the first half woes yesterday. 3 drop passes that were first downs, plus how many penalties? And absolutely no running game. Glennon was actually the main bright spot on offense (with VJax having strong game)
October 6th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
If we get a stop in overtime and score a field goal, I bet this guy would be singing a different tune. What is it with some people that it makes them think things are so dramatically high or low depending on the outcome? Saw some definite improvement yesterday, not good enough to win yet of course, but we are getting better, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Sorry to tell you guys, but that’s all we can hope for this season.
As far as Logan Mankins goes he did not get an F grade as this guy would suggest, I would probably give him a C. But because it was a loss, I guess I would be more fitting to say he played like complete crap, right? smh
October 6th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
If not for the turnovers yesterday, very possible New Orleans scores 50+ and puts up over 600 yards of offense. Unless we have New England 2007, St. Louis 2001 (or 1999) or Minnesota 1998, we can’t win that game. Somehow, someway, offense is the least of concern of a Lovie Smith team. What kind of odds you think I get on that 3 weeks before the season? 1,000 to 1?
October 6th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
we are getting better, but damn you lovie. should have called a timeout in OT. the defense was realing. I knew it was over when the saint got inside the 40 and no TO was used.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Over 4 games i’ve seen different sections of this team show up at different games. 1 week the d line shows up, the next the Wr’s play big. But as of right now the entire team doesn’t show up at the same time. This will change as the season goes on and coaches and players are more familiar with each other.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
There was a Tom wright sighting yesterday. 5 catches 85 yards and 1 TD.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
First three picks in the 2015 NFL draft….in any order…
OT……Center…..OG……
October 6th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Glennon played a great (not good — great) game yesterday. He had over 100 yards in completions negated by silly penalties, none of which actually impacted the play being made.
He was victimized, again, by dropped passes that would have extended or continued drives and kept the defense off the field.
I’m starting to become a believer in #8.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
Mike “Golden Arm” Glennon is legit. He is one of the very few who is doing his job right. He is not the one out their dropping balls that hit his hands, he’s not getting costly penalties at the most inopportune times, he’s not the reason the running game is garbage. The kid is balling out and going Toe to Toe with Brees and Big Ben and holding his own. Not to mention i’ve seen this kid make throws no other QB can attempt. Out side of Glennon, Jackson, Evans, LVD, and GMC this team really needs to step up.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
@ #41
I agree with you on that. Most of his passes were on the money, and he was even able to improvise when he need to. BUT the absolute best thing I saw from him was the fire he should as the leader of this offenses. after that touchdown pass to Herron, I saw him run back to the offensive line on while they were still on the field, point his index finger at them, and seemed to scream, I mean scream, something inspiration to them. I like to think he said something like “That’s right mother f’ers, I can get you there.” or something along those lines lol. I like seeing that.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
To JOE……………………It is totally ok to rename him to VDrops.
Carry on.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
@ Andrew. Yeah i saw that. Lovin the kid. Of course I loved him last year when he became the first Rookie Ever to throw a TD pass in his first 8 games. And when he became the first Rookie Ever to throw 10 TDs to 1 Int. Also the fact that he did so behind a putrid Oline, while on the Third string RB, and no No. 2 WR with Horrible coaching staff amongst numerous other hamstrings.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Too much drama here! It could have been as simple as who won a the coin toss and got the ball first. Think about it!
October 6th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Hey Joe,
Your boy man crush ASJ isn’t cutting it. He reminds me of Ricky Dudley. He looks the part but has stone hands like a mother&*#$! I really dont know what you see in him. Hes not ready for the NFL yet. But yet you always tend to not mention anything bad about him. And you are quick to point out VJax. The safety was Mankins fault. A simple twist confused him and he didnt rotate over. Did anyone even see the series in which Glennon was sacked for safety???The reason they passed is because the O-Line almost gave up a safety on Martins run.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
The first quarter drives were killed by drops and penalties- I remember a 34 yard gain and a 28 yard gain called back because of flags.
My concern is with the punter… why is he still employed? A decent punt can help mitigate stalled drives and Koenen didn’t deliver. Even on the free kick after the safety.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
I thought the offense played great except for that bizzare drive that ended in a safety for the Saints.
We couldn’t run the ball because the defense was expecting it, every time we passed the ball on 1st down, we got postive yards, WHY DON’T WE KEEP DOING THAT?! Rather than set up the run for passing, we should set up the pass early so the defense respects Glennon and his big arm.
The defense was to blame for the loss, all those yards given up and we couldn’t stop their running game. Lavonte David played a hell of a game, even knocked out Jimmy Graham lol. Bet he won’t try to run him over again.
Even though we lost, I would rather lose in OT than get blown out like we have done the last 2 times we have played in NO.
Its only a matter of time until things start going our way, I have faith in Lovie.
If anyone is going to the game on Sunday, LMK! Driving from Miami to watch them beat the Ravans!!! 🙂
#MGM
October 6th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
@ gatrbuc17
I’m still cautiously optimistic about Glennon, but so far so good.
October 6th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
All I keep thinking is:
Find a good replacement; Send Lovie back to his basement!
Surely this is not what the owners had in mind when they signed Lovie to a huge contract…. This will add more years to the Bucs recovery to get back to winning football.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
@ Tye
I’m have a feeling that Lovie forewarned the Glazer’s about the growing pains, and require that they give him an x amount of time to assert himself before he signed the contract. It’s the only thing I can think of as to why he is sticking with his defense instead of bringing pressure more.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
The Offense problems in the first have have much to do with “establishing the run game” that doesn’t exist…..once the coaches figure out that the only way we ever get anywhere is through the air…then we start to score.
I am so sick of running on first and ten and even in the Pittsburgh game a running play was called on second & inches……what a way to support your QB….my God, give him a chance to succeed.
Dropped passes and stupid penalties helped slow Glennon down….he played great and looked as good as Brees if not better….Give him Graham, Colston, Cooks a coach and a dome full of screaming support and see how he does then.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
man I love me some mike glennon more than I love slapping people
October 6th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
@tim wright holy hell maybe we can get Wright back, that dood was so money.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Stop calling for Lovies head just yet. It takes more than a handful of games and 1 offseason to turn around a franchise in most cases. Yes there are exceptions IE Chiefs but lets not forget before they were a 4-11 team they where a playoff team the year before so it wasn’t like they were depleted of talent they just needed a better coach and a durable/smart QB at the helm.
The ship is aiming in the right direction but it DOES take a little more time to get everything to work together. Think of the last time you started a new job even if it was in the same field of work you’ve always done. Are you gonna come right in and be the best ever at that position within a 6 month window or does it take time to get everything to come more naturally for you with out thinking to much?
October 6th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
BucIt941…your point is well taken. I worked at a place for 8 years and a new management team came in and it took people months to figure out the new way of doing things.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Teams can turn around in one year, it doesn’t have to take years to do it. Lame excuses for a lame team. Lovie – epic fail this year, you are losers. 1 and 4 and out of the playoffs in week 5, great job. I guess it was asking to much to have a competitive team this year, just like every year. Time to bring the exorcist to 1Buc.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
“Teams can turn around in one year, it doesn’t have to take years to do it.”
It’s very rare. Especially with such a turnover of new players.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
I think MOST fans will give a coach 3 years….NOT Buc fans though.
October 6th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
even for former OL like beckles, it is tough to know why a lineman was in a situation or made a certain mistake. until further evidence emerges, i’m going to pin most of the OL failures on Evan Deitrich-Smith. if you can’t snap the ball when and where your QB needs you to, you are probably failing in multiple other ways we fans can’t easily notice. what is wrong with that guy?
October 6th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
We may have had 0 points with 3 min left in the half, but we had 10 by actual halftime, so that point is moot.
Glennon was not the issue in the first half, how many early drives were killed by penalties? For that matter, how many late drives were killed too?
penalties penalties penalties.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Ian has a chip on his shoulder about the Bucs…period…O refuse to listen to him any more..at least Big Dog tells it like it is…we could win the SB again and Ian would find fault….give me the Commish ANY day
October 6th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
I’m not part of the Glennon mob but he is definitely winning me over. Why he didn’t start from day one is crazy to me now. Just imagine where this team would be if they started Glennon in week 1 and utilized a pass first offense. Wow, the possibilities. Oh, and if someone from 1buc is reading this, please for the love of God stop running on first f#$king down! The whole galaxy knows its coming. Just like the first play in the second half, among many other first and ten plays with that same run left into the teeth of the defense for 1-2 yards. The scary thing about this team is that defense. We need better players, simple as that. A DE, CB and MLB…but until then its gonna be rough. Its unrealistic to expect them to turn everything around in one year tho. KC is the exception, not the norm.
October 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Tampa has never had issues to this degree with the o line but lovie has always had these issues. Looks real brilliant getting rid of a versatile center/guard, offensive and defensive lines basically it’s a product of lovie’s imagination
October 6th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
We need to stop running on first down,period. Glennon starting to impress me but this defense excluding Lavonte David,Gmac,gholston,McDonald,and lansanah the linebacker sucks. Never seen a love smith defense look so horrible. Wtf is going on.frasier,think u may have to go and I believe marinelli can tell jerry to go to hell at seasons end .i love marinelli and he is what this defense needs. He will get on players asses unlike choir boy Frazier.frazier, u must go period.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:43 am
Beckles is spot on!
Joe, where did you get the photo of Duemig?