Time To Call Kevin Gilbride Or Chan Gailey
September 24th, 2014
As Joe wrote yesterday, the Bucs shouldn’t just roll over and play dead and absorb the loss of offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford without adding a new offensive mind and body to the staff ASAP. Especially with a defensive minded head coach and a very inexperienced playcaller in Marcus Arroyo.
If the Bucs brought in Terrelle Pryor for a look, they sure as hell should interview a coach who could lend a hand.
Pat Kirwan, the former Bucs scout, Jets linebackers coach and personnel chief, was pounding the drum for a couple of names on SiriusXM NFL Radio. He was clamoring for Lovie Smith to talk to Kevin Gilbride or Chan Gailey about coming to Tampa to stabilize the offense. Kirwan maintained the 34-year-old Arroyo is over his head.
Back when the Raheem Morris Buccaneers were starting slowly in games over and over and over — from Day 1 of his regime — Joe pleaded repeatedly for the Bucs to bring in an outside consultant/coach to study the team’s processes to try and find a fix. But that never happened. Morris continued his pattern, until his teams were garbage in the second halves of games, too, and he lost his job.
The point here is the Bucs should be proactive and aggressive here. It doesn’t hurt to talk. A fresh set of experienced eyes on a bad offense like the Bucs is wise. There are plenty of other retired/unemployed offensive minds out there, as well, Joe’s not lobbying for Gilbride or Gailey.
However, Joe would like to have an offensive consultant who would never run on 3rd-and-7 from the 9 yard line, and everywhere else in the red zone.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:14 am
Would LOVE Chan Gailey
September 24th, 2014 at 9:15 am
Nope, nope, nope, Gilbride and Gailey both believe that the forward pass is not a fad and will eventually stick as a part of a modern NFL offense, but according to Lovie, the forward pass is simply another fad that not catch on, like the drop kick.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:16 am
Kevin Gilbride? REALLY? My guess is you’d have Buc fans lined up outside the stadium, to give him the Buddy Ryan Treatment he knows so well. That alone is enough to keep him from taking the job. lol
September 24th, 2014 at 9:18 am
This should’ve been done prior to his medical treatment.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:18 am
It’s just wisdom, to get a New Co-ordinator in here.
Tedford may never be back. Hope he fully recovers. But you have to take the safe bet.
Get a Co-ordinator in here- that may very well be here next as well
Personally- Mike Martz. It would be hard to get him here- but we will probably have a top 4 pick.
Marcus Mariota might lure Martz here.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:22 am
It’s always amazing to me how people truly don’t know anything about a person, yet still find the need to go online and pretend as if they do. Yeah, no way should we take a 2 time super bowl champion offensive coordinator. That would be awful. Just do a quick google search – it would save you a lot of embarrassment.
My only fear would be would there be time to install an offense? I don’t know how effective any OC would be running someone else’s offense. Then again, it can’t be much worse than Arroyo.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:23 am
The question seems to really be HOW LONG is Tedford out for?
If just a few more weeks than doubtful for a coordinator change
If out for the year than I would think a move is eminent
September 24th, 2014 at 9:23 am
Let McCown or Glennon call the plays…..better than Arroyo or having to install a brand new offense.
Lovie needs to stick to Defense…..should fire Fraizer….
September 24th, 2014 at 9:26 am
Ya Lovie wont do that. Hes too set in his ways. He will revert back to an uber conservative offense to minimize damage. He will keep control over Arroyo and try to play defense without a defense.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:29 am
I think we’re far past the point of calling any moves the Bucs do now proactive.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Gilbride would be awesome. Probably couldn’t help for this season but a proven OC on the staff would instill a lot of confidence for seasons to come. Also think a guy as long respected as Gilbride would not let Lovie tell him what to run on 3-7 in the redzone!
September 24th, 2014 at 9:34 am
Joe, we had Gilbride last season think about that, and when have you EVER seen an offensive coordinator hired durin the regular season. If play calling was as big an issue as play execution you’d be onto something, but our offensive woes start with players not handling business doing their jobs, everything else is secondary.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:38 am
It doesn’t matter who the OC is. Lovie won’t let them open up the offense anyway. I’d like Lovie tell the offensive side of the ball to do what they want. I don’t think that’s the case now.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:46 am
Thats what i thought too. So I think the more prudent move for the short term would be to get an offensive guy in here that is at least halfway decent with QBs so that way Arroyo can focus full time on being the OC. It should be him that knows the playbook best of all the offensive coaches (outside of the OC, obviously), so let him just focus on that and delegate the responsibilities of his other job elsewhere…
September 24th, 2014 at 9:47 am
Joe….without a doubt the most annoying thing about this site is the 2,368 links you put in front of Peter King’s name. It is SO SO unprofessional Joe.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:48 am
@Yar – I completely agree.
Unfortunately, it appears Lovie is running the offense and defense right now. So disappointing. I’m so sick of Lovie already.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:48 am
anyone desperate enough to take this job is not worth hiring.
put the playcalling in the hands of the QB!
September 24th, 2014 at 9:51 am
like tampabaybuc said. fire frazier and let lovie focus on defense.
let arroyo or whoever gameplan for the week and let the QB call the plays!
September 24th, 2014 at 9:51 am
Here is a younger cat who may not have as big of a personality to overtake Tedford’s scheme:
Jeremy Bates
2002-2003 Bucs quality control
2004 asst. Bucs qb
2005-2009 Jets/Broncos/USC qbs
2010 Seawhawks OC
2012 Bears QB
September 24th, 2014 at 9:52 am
Chan Gailey is great if it’s 1999, but his teams have not been good in years.
Gilbride same way. I had enough of his style of offense when it was duplicated here under Schiano.
Who else ya got?
September 24th, 2014 at 9:54 am
Totally agree. Worst case, let McCown call the plays. He has been around the league for over 10 years and knows the offense. Can’t say the same for the yahoo the Bucs are using now to call plays.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:55 am
Bates worked with McCown in 2012 in Chicago.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:56 am
Ugh. Let Arroyo game plan? Let these slobs under center call plays? Omg.
Omg.
No.
Are you guys for real? I want the first pick too, but you think two QBs who are bad enough at QB and who don’t have enough time in their day to be good at their jobs…have enough left over to also call plays?! Is this a joke?
I want the first overall pick too, but that’s just lunacy.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:11 am
“Gilbride same way. I had enough of his style of offense when it was duplicated here under Schiano.”
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SMH. The ignorance around these parts amazes me.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:15 am
I couldnt agree more. Marcus Aroyo is not an offensive coordinator. This is like the Raheem Morris head coaching debacle. Can we get someone with experience pleeeeeeeeeeeease!!!! I like Jeff Tedford and we are stuck with his system this year but he needs to get his health together or move on.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:16 am
The Exterminator approves Chan Gailey. He made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like a very capable QB in one off season.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Fire Fraizer? He is a good coach, when he was HC for the vikings he threw freeman in there, I thought that was good.. I loved it..
September 24th, 2014 at 10:32 am
We all know Reheem Morris was in charge of morning which is why he had so much time to party
Kevin gilbride isn’t that the same garbage offense mike Sullivan brought to Tampa?
Listen if we all know one thing, ever find out lovie is stubborn to the core like Schiano and the bucs aren’t gonna do anything but keep running into that same brick wall no matter what the results. Yes it’s a nice pipe dream but no need for me to bother getting excited about something a new regime is afraid to do, it’s probably like losing credibility to them
September 24th, 2014 at 10:33 am
Marcus Arroyo was a bad hire. he sucks as an OC, heck, look at McCown’s performances. It was Marcus Arroyo’s job to prepare the QB. Bang up job there!
If I were Lovie and Licht, I would seriously consider replacing both Tedford and Marcus Arroyo. That might entice a quality OC to come, if he can choose his own QB Coach.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:35 am
As to Frazier, I’d wait until the off season. Unless he signed an extension, Rod will be available then.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:37 am
Why not get Paul Johnson in here and we can run the triple option. Why cant the bucs just get something right? I know its not anyone’s fault about tedford but come on, I am beginning to feel cursed.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:38 am
Not to mention certain defensive-minded head coaches might be fired.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:05 am
Did you guys ever stop to ponder maybe Lovie likes an inexperienced OC? Lovie once had his hands full pass-happy Mike Martz, I doubt he wants that friction again.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:05 am
Let Arroyo gain his experience. Hopefully Lovie won’t handcuff him too badly. Running in the end zone was his call resulting from the earlier McCown. McCown is now a verb.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:08 am
@ Hawaain
Sorry dude I know you love to tell everyone who disagrees with your all knowing opinion how ignorant they are, but as someone who has been subjected to a lot of Giants games I can emphatically say Gilbride is not the right guy for the Bucs. Only reason he lasted as long as he did in NY is Coughlin is overly loyal to his coaches until he realizes just how bad they are. Giant’s fans and NY media couldn’t wait to get rid of Gilbride. At this point I don’t know what is the best action for the offense, but I do know Gilbride will be trashed worse than Sullivan by the Bucs fans and media if they hire him.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:39 am
The main role an experienced OC could be expected to fill, at least initially, would be that of a consultant. You can’t install a totally new offense mid-season, so the new “OC” would have to learn the existing offense, terminology and playbook, and become fluent with it. How long do you think that would take? It’s not a one or two week thing to become comfortable enough with it to call plays. I’m for Gailey coming in to help with gameplans and give Arroyo some guidance in playcalling.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am
@ToesOnTheLine,
Maybe he lasted so long in New York because he was busy winning Super Bowls??? Yeah, he’s terrible. It’s not like he’s had success anywhere else. Oh wait, never mind.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Joe, can you let the powers that be at One Buc know that “ToesOnTheLine” has watched a lot of Giants games and he says Gilbride won’t work? Hey Toes, you should leave your contact information for the Bucs since you have such critical information.
September 24th, 2014 at 11:45 am
No need to have even less stability then we already have. Bringing in a new coordinator is a terrible idea.
September 24th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Why not bring McBride or Gailey in as a consultant, much like the way Butch Davis was “used” as one for Schiano; if one of them is brought in now, perhaps they can take over after the by week as far as play calling goes…. It will make opposing defenses actually have to think a bit if they bring a few wrinkles to this very vanilla offense that Arroyo is using and apparently has the Lovie stamp of approval…. Jesus Christ bringing in a new set of eyes can not make things worse, of course the Glazers probably do not want to pay any more coin on a lost season…..
September 24th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
@ Hawaaian
Yeah and Lovie was once considered a good coach because he had 3 or 4 winning seasons many moons ago. Sometimes there’s a good reason these guys get fired.
#Gilbride is not the answer!
September 24th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
JUNE JONES, let him throw it around the yeard what else do we have to lose at least it will be exciting
September 24th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
@ToesOnTheLine,
I must have missed the memo that Gilbride got fired? If by fired, you mean he retired, then yes he was fired. Of course I’m sure you’ve got inside information that he was forced out.
And Lovie actually had a winning season like 2 years ago. We’re not talking about Jimmy Johnson here. I love it how 3 games in and everyone honestly believes they know more football than Lovie. Cracks me up.
September 24th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
One has to wonder IF Sam Wyche is still around. If so, he knows talent and offense. But maybe he is too old now ?
He is the man responsible for building the old Bucs.
September 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
What cracks me up is how you call everyone out who doesn’t agree with you like you’ve got “football knowledge” like other tools here claim to have. Truth is none of us (or very few) do and are just here venting to feel better, so lighten up a little and stop being a douchebag
September 24th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Sorry Chris that as for Hawaaian not you
September 24th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
At this point I’d be happy bringing mike Sullivan back to run the offense!
September 24th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Is there a Jeff Tedford Jr in the house?
September 24th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
The wheels are falling off the Bucs Fan Bus!!
Go Bucs!!!
September 24th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
So a Butch Davis-type hire would keep us from making stupid mistakes on offense. Got it.
September 24th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
They should hire Steve Deumig
He seems to know everything and know better than everyone else!
September 24th, 2014 at 7:53 pm
@Toes,
Stop being so sensitive. Forgive me for not being critical of everyone, and judging someone off 3 games. Such a douche move, my bad.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
Chris@appleroofing: Wyche has cardiomyopathy and has to take numerous meds to help his ailing ticker. I also read several years back where he also had some sort of growth in his throat and had to have a biopsy done where the doctors screwed up and cut his vocal cords so that he can not really talk anymore. Must be tough for a guy who used to be so opinionated and animated when coaching or in front of the camera…..
September 24th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Really Dude!!!! OMG!!!!
September 25th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
sounds desperate. i’m not sure a guy can come in with no real feel for players and skill sets and start overruling the offensive staff on playcalls and other decisions. sounds like it would do more harm than good, especially if Tedford is expected back by the bye or sooner.
if this is the end of Tedford’s year, i agree you bring in an extra set of experienced eyes, but that person probably mostly ought to sit back and observe the carnage until the bye week before starting to put his hands all over the scheme. i doubt chan gailey is rushing down to tampa to head up a Jeff Tedford Cover Band. he wants to coach and call what he believes in