Interesting Words About Mike Glennon
May 12th, 2014
“Your future is secure, my son.”
Man, the weekend at One Buc Palace sure was interesting, and not just because of the players the Bucs picked. It was the subplot of the status of backup quarterback Mike Glennon. It went on for days, and even Bucs coach Lovie Smith acknowledged as much Saturday.
The bombshell of the weekend was when Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reported Saturday evening that six teams had inquired about Glennon, and each team’s advances were shunned by Bucs general manager Jason Licht.
(Joe found Stroud’s second sentence interesting. “In fact, those teams said they regarded Glennon as a better quarterback than most of the prospects available during the three-day selection show.” Yet this “fact” had no attribution; not even a quote from a confidential source. Eh, Joe’s not going to muddy the waters here. Let’s not take our eye off the fastball.)
Thursday, Lovie had this to say about Glennon:
“You know how much I like Josh McCown as our starter here, but I love Mike Glennon. Mike Glennon is our quarterback of the future here.”
That’s pretty bold. No wiggle room there.
Saturday, just minutes before Stroud’s bombshell broke, both Licht and Lovie again talked about Glennon, but seemed to have backed off slightly from the “love.”
Said Licht, “There’s a lot of interest in Mike and we want to keep Mike, I guess I should just say. We want to continue to work with Mike and we’re very excited about his future.”
Want to keep. Read: Match our price and he is yours.
Lovie later added, “… a lot of talk that’s going on about Mike Glennon, what I’ve said is that Josh McCown is our starter, which he is. Love Josh, and Josh is pretty excited – more so than, or as excited as any fan as we have about the offensive group – but what I said was we like Mike Glennon and Mike has an excellent future in the league, and that’s how it has played out.”
Future in the league.
The way Joe looks at it, Lovie has become enamored with Glennon’s work ethic (which is one reason former Bucs commander Greg Schiano liked him as well) and his bonding with teammates. Remember, Lovie didn’t know Glennon from the guy selling stale donuts and watery coffee at a gas station, and there was clearly something he didn’t like on tape about Glennon, or else he would not have signed McCown. Lovie knew McCown. He didn’t know Glennon.
Joe absolutely believes teams inquired about Glennon over the weekend and a transaction was not executed because teams weren’t serious or low-balled Licht.
Glennon is likely here for the duration of 2014, unless in training camp a starter goes down rendering some team desperate and Licht might be able to take advantage of the situation.
Remember, Lovie also talked about how Darrelle Revis could play for him and also said mattress-in-the-yard Mike Williams would not be jettisoned for taking a blade to the leg.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:10 am
Joe, I’m surprised you’re still trying to read between the lines of what these two have to say about Glennon, seeing as your assessment of what these two said before the draft was so far off base.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:11 am
I think there is a real chance that Glennon ends up starting game 1. I think over the course of training camp if it’s close they will give him the nod.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:12 am
The Bucs made a big mistake not drafting Johnny Football. I don’t see a Super Bowl in our future with McCown or Glennon as our quarterback.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:21 am
Mike Glennon is so much better than Josh Freemadonna.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:23 am
“Want to keep. Read: Match our price and he is yours.” I don’t think so. Unless a team was willing to give up a mint. The bucs are taking a patient approach to quarterback. They probably think he can run the offense but not sure if he can run it right now this season. Getting Mccown will take the pressure off of Glennon and allows him to learn and develop the way a quarterback should
May 12th, 2014 at 7:24 am
Joe, I’ve got to say, don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone who can read more into things that were said by a coach than you do.
Both Lovie and Jason seem to be very upfront guys, and their long-established reputations bear that out. Statements like ‘Want to keep’ sometimes really do mean just that, as opposed to your interpretation ‘Match our price and he is yours’.
Mike Glennon was just a rookie last year. He got valuable experience starting 13 games, but under very harsh situations. But even then, he performed reasonably well … for a rookie. He’s now having to learn a whole new offensive system, with bunches of new teammates and new coaches. As a minimum, he’s the best backup we have right now, and better than any rookie we might have drafted in my IMHO.
Let’s just see what he can do in this system, with this coaching. You never know, maybe Lovie and Jason really do ‘want to keep’ him. Only time will tell whether his performance warrants being kept here, either as a backup or as the eventual successor to Josh.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:26 am
“The way Joe looks at it, Lovie has become enamored with Glennon’s work ethic (which is one reason former Bucs commander Greg Schiano liked him as well) and his bonding with teammates. Remember, Lovie didn’t know Glennon from the guy selling stale donuts and watery coffee at a gas station, and there was clearly something he didn’t like on tape about Glennon, or else he would not have signed McCown. Lovie knew McCown. He didn’t know Glennon.”
Agreed he had to have showed them something during OTAs that made them change their mind on him. He may have taken some steps forward and gotten better.(I sure hope so)
May 12th, 2014 at 7:33 am
In the highly unlikely event that Glennon does not win the starting nod, it would be unwise, in my opinion, to trade him now. Unless someone wants to overpay for him.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:36 am
Joe, you are just embarrassing yourself at this point. You could just say you were wrong or that you just did not read the situation correctly. But know you are waiting for Love to clear his throat as a tell that he is about to send MG8 packing.
P.S. Glennon is still on the roster, how u like dem apples!
May 12th, 2014 at 7:38 am
Part of the Glennon negatives is because he was chosen by Schiano….now that he is getting indorsements from Lovie, Licht……and although he isn’t commenting….Tedford….it is hard for Joe and fans to accept.
Mike Glennon is our backup QB….pure and simple…I don’t think he warrants this much attention. Buc Brass has decided not to draft a QB this year….they may draft one next year. They may trade Glennon if the price is good enough (everyone is for sale at the right price).
Its time to focus on the players we have and not covet others or dwell on previous losses like Bennett.
I am not part of the MGM but I think the jury is still out on MG8’s future. I’m willing to defer to his coaches.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:41 am
Joe, please write an article about Johnny Football.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:47 am
2-3 years down the road, Glennon could be starting and Joe will still be sticking to his 90% prediction that by TODAY 5/12/14 that Glennon will no longer be a Buccaneer.
Hey man, when you make tin cup type predictions (Manziel, etc), odds are you are going to be wrong often. No shame in that, but, to not only not acknowledge that, but, to stick to them?…
Next thing I expect to read is an article predicting the Bucs are looking to swap Manziel for Glennon. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But, hey, you’re getting laughs. Thanks!
May 12th, 2014 at 7:54 am
Sorry joe but any and all of your takes on glen non are now completely invalid. Pretty funny now though.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:56 am
” Getting Mccown will take the pressure off of Glennon and allows him to learn and develop the way a quarterback should”
Geez what a logical well thought assumption. Instead, Joe rolls out the Jump to Conclusions Mat ™, and goes with Lovie not having any faith in Glennon.
May 12th, 2014 at 7:57 am
To my surprise, Lovie and Licht have got this Fric and Frac routine down pat! It was a masterful job of selling their interest in Manziel. I take them at their word in their apparent praise of Glennon. But my personal opinion is that there are only two players on this team that are immune to trade – Gerald McCoy and Lavonte David.
Just like their interest in Manziel, I’ll buy their interest in Glennon until we see different. I’m learning to expect different from Fric and Frac!
May 12th, 2014 at 8:05 am
Joey your tantrum is showing.
I think Tedford and Arroyo saw enough on Glennon to have him learn from them and Josh this coming season. I’m good with that.
We got the tall weapons for Josh to continue playing as good as he did last year. All is rocking with the team and fans except Joey Tantrum.
Joey Tantrum needs to write about Manziel and Connor Shaw to calm his nerves.
We will allow one blog per day until Joey back to normal.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:06 am
Beat that horse. Beat it! Who knows what will come next year. Who cares. We have to get through this year first and this is what we’ve got. If glennon succeeds, we are in great shape. If not we are in the same situation joe seems to think we are in now. I know Joe has to rationalize the passing on his man crush, but root for Bret smith, no need to keep bashing glennon. It won’t make your boy come here to keep trying to prove yourself right that the bucs dislike glennon as much as you do. admit you were wrong about them and move on.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:06 am
Joe – For all the bashing you are getting in this thread, let me brown nose and say you are the only one that saw the Patriot offense coming south to Tampa Bay. The first three picks verified that.
Well, thanks. Though Joe didn’t know our Tom Brady was on the roster. 😉 –Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 8:12 am
Joe has gotten burned so badly by the entire Glennon situation that he’s now grasping at straws….desperate.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:15 am
@Tampabaybucfan Says:
“…I am not part of the MGM but I think the jury is still out on MG8′s future. I’m willing to defer to his coaches.”
Well said, couldn’t agree more
May 12th, 2014 at 8:17 am
BTW, the Bucs haven’t released their their official list of UDFAs yet, but Greg Auman says they are slightly over the NFL 90 player limit. So we should expect some cuts coming any day now!
May 12th, 2014 at 8:18 am
Speaking of the Patriots; I hear they wrote the book on why NOT to take Johnny after his workout and interview. Very long profile on the kids attitude and ability. Nothing much good in it at all! As far as Glennon goes; I heard from my sources on Wednesday that they were not drafting a QB. What they are saying about MG is exactly what they are thinking. Surprised that with all the access the media has to One Buc and all the ex players that no one spilled the beans. The ranting going on in the newspaper is border line embarrassing. What is the excuse going to be when Johnny flops like a fish in Cleveland?
May 12th, 2014 at 8:18 am
We have some other interesting subjects brewing.
Will we keep a FB?
If Smith does well, would we keep 3 QBs?
Who is likely to win the Nickel CB battle?
Will we keep Koenen, restructure him?
Which UDFA has the best chance to make it?
Will we stick with Page at KR/PR?
Will one or more of our RBs be traded….who?
How many TEs will we keep?
I’m sure many other questions could be added to this…but, are we going to be subjected to endless Mike Glennon articles?
I know Joe writes about what interests him and he touches briefly on some of these subjects…but I’d like to see more in-depth on them.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:19 am
Such a sharp contrast in coaching from Schiano. Lovie talks Glennon up even earlier after he signed McCown. Schiano very much contributed to weak-minded Freeman’s meltdown with all his little mind games of not endorsing him, etc.
I wish Glennon the very best. Go Bucs
May 12th, 2014 at 8:21 am
The price for Glennon was set absurdly high by the Bucs because, despite what Joe and others thought, they didn’t have to and more importantly didn’t want to, get rid of him. Far from it. They would have traded him had someone come over the top, but that was going to be a first round pick in my opinion. They weren’t dealing him for a third rounder as some had hoped. They very much like what they have in Glennon, so it wasn’t that they were trying to deal him, they were hearing what teams were offering.
I was hoping Joe would maybe let it go and root for to be wrong about Glennon, instead it appears he’ll reach for every last thread in the hopes Glennon is eventually traded and another QB is brought in.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:23 am
Why is it so hard to believe that a team would hold onto a second year quarterback that, for a 3rd round rookie, played pretty darn well last year? Very few rookie quarterbacks play as well as Mike did last year, why is that fact lost on this website?
May 12th, 2014 at 8:25 am
Theodore…more like the Bears offensive talent with those big receivers and Forte.
Did you notice that the Packers, with good receivers and a questionable O line, took three receivers and no linemen? You never have enough good receivers. Good with us taking one of best WR’s, TE, a couple potential slot guys in this draft…it was desperately needed.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:25 am
Here’s Joe’s real issue. Johnny Football would have garnered Joe significantly more page views and that is the reason for his JFF campaign.
Don’t be ridiculous. Did you see Joe lobbying for Tim Tebow last year? Or publishing a daily rumor report? Joe could engage in all kinds of shenanigans for the sake of a few more clicks. Hell, Joe would have lobbied to keep Raheem Morris, who was tremendous entertainment every time he got before a microphone. Or Aqib Talib, who was great for offseason attention. Joe doesn’t operate that way.–Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 8:29 am
@TBBF, #1 subject to keep an eye on IMO is how the Oline does. I love the weapons we drafted. I love Sims too, but I did not think he was a wise choice as a high 3rd rd pick for what we needed (Oline). To me, the Oline is the #1 factor of how successful the Bucs season will be, bc we have all the weapons everywhere now (I love the AJS pick – finally, a serious threat at TE!). But can we win the battle in the trenches?
A distant #2 in my book will be Tedford’s offense AND how he makes counter-adjustments after NFL defenses adjust to his offense.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:30 am
Maybe the Bucs didn’t get the offer they were looking for. Maybe Tedford decided that Glennon is smart/good enough to work with.
It’s moot. He’s here until somebody better comes along.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:30 am
Tmapabayfucfan
I think the CB battle will be best in camp. I have a soft spot for Leonard Johnson like the mob has for 8. I hope he adapts and excels in Lovie’s system. I am also very eager to see which Jenkins shows up the Pro Bowler or the guy who gives up 2 td’s a game.
The running back situation is also very intriguing. I t hink you can rule demps out, he is too fragile. I have said this many times before those track guys are just wound too tight; pulls, strains and nagging injuries seem to always appear. I also think he telling Lovie he is committed to footballl is meaningless. What’s he going to say no I am a track guy and give up a chance for another paycheck or two before he starts focusing on the Olympics again. Which is what he should do. It’s clear the Olympics are a dream of his and there is not a darn thing wrong with that. I respect that but let’s not fool ourselves with him.
your UDFA question has the most room for fun!!!
May 12th, 2014 at 8:30 am
@ Joe
That picture of Schiano (aka “Blaster”) is perfect.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:31 am
Fart…interesting points….
You think the local media would like to make a living with an endless potential of excited pumped up phone callers and enthusiasm among fans, had Manzel been one of our draft picks? It would have been easy money.
And if he fails, another supply of endless phone calls, etc..
So why wouldn’t they want that?
May 12th, 2014 at 8:34 am
It will be very…very interesting to see what affect the coaching changes have on the individual players. Some to watch other than Glennon.
Bowers, AC, Banks, Godlson, Gholston, Foster, Demps & others.
It is my opinion that Schiano was so paranoid regarding turnovers that he held Glennon back. Glennon’s fear of risk created more throw-aways and sacks….and helped his QB rating…but lost us games. I didn’t see him act like that in college.
Coaching is a huge factor and its impact on our Bucs should be interesting!!!
May 12th, 2014 at 8:40 am
@tmaxcon
I agree…..really rooting for LJ….he has shown signs of improvement….coaching should help….but I also root for Jenkins to do well in front of home crowd
I also agree on Demps…the Sims pick took care of the speed in space…and unlke Demps….Sims has great hands. Sims is our 3rd down back.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:41 am
Why do we keep talking about a gut that was stripped of his starting spot and is now a backup
May 12th, 2014 at 8:46 am
@Nybucsfan
Very good question…..Joe will say its because we have the 4th best QB in the division and the position is so important to our future (good points)…..it also “interests Joe” and it also attracts a great number of comments.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:46 am
Lovie played Joe like a fiddle to help ensure he got the guy he wanted in round 1, Joe plays me and many other JBF’ers like a fiddle by throwing out another thread sure to blow up with several polarized replies thus generating website traffic…I guess none of us can help taking the bait when it’s this much fun getting hooked
Joe’s so glad none of you guys are his trusted business advisors. Stunning how so many of you believe Joe sits around and plans what he writes about. –Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 8:47 am
Lovie hasn’t really gone for the franchise QB model. He had Grossman thrust upon him and we know how that worked out. Then he traded for an experienced QB in Cutler.
Maybe he has the Chucky mentality? Likes an experienced QB to run the offense? No stomach for breaking in a rookie?
Hard to say, but Glennon needs to stay this year if only to back up our 35 year old starter.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:52 am
All Buc fans support the trade:
Glennon for Rachael.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:53 am
The Bucs had their choice of any QB in the draft except Bortles.
That tells me all I need to know about what they think of Glennon.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:53 am
Your point in this article??last I checked he is still on the roster and one hit from being our starter like it or not.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:54 am
It’s a no-brainer.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:56 am
I think Lovie and Licht truly evaluated the board and determined just drafting a qb for the sake of drafting one was irresponsible. In the NFL nowadays it’s a given that injuries come so you must keep a competent backup.
Glennon, currently, may not be the best fit or have all the nuances down to lead this offense but I believe that after Carr came off the board there was no other QB worth reaching for that would offer more than Glennon would as a backup.
I take off my hat to the Bucs and they are making all the right moves!
May 12th, 2014 at 8:56 am
Seeing as how Glennon played better than you’d expect a third round qb to play, the price for him would have been at least a second rounder. I think it’s pretty clear L&L have valued him at that level, based on their words and actions.
If he hangs around and becomes a starter, or even solid long term backup, or is traded for more than the third he cost, it’s a net gain for the franchise. I think he was a smart draft pick.
May 12th, 2014 at 8:59 am
Pretty pathetic Joe.
You are losing respect at a rapid pace
May 12th, 2014 at 9:00 am
You kinda come across as a sore loser… like you’re still whining about us not drafting your boyfriend Johnny rotten. Let it go Joe and support Glennon without the snide comments on the side. You and the little dog can have your disillusioned option but every time you write something related to the QB situation show your lack of support though your claim otherwise. No one sees your actions, just your words.
Johnny who? He plays for another team. Joe hasn’t written about him in days. Joe supports Glennon wholeheartedly, just not as a future starter. Joe doesn’t support Leonard Johnson as a future starter, either, even though he did lots of great things as a rookie. Joe suspects most Bucs fans are in the same boat on L.J. Remember, it wasn’t Joe who stripped Glennon of his starting gig. –Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 9:00 am
WHERE IS CONNER SHAW???????????????
May 12th, 2014 at 9:11 am
It’s ok Joe. We all make mistakes. Why I just found out today you’re supposed to urinate on a jellyfish sting, not a jelly stain. Sorry lady at the Waffle House…. I was just trying to help.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:19 am
Remember, Lovie also talked about how Darrelle Revis could play for him and also said mattress-in-the-yard Mike Williams would not be jettisoned for taking a blade to the leg.
Remember, it wasn’t Joe who stripped Glennon of his starting gig. –Joe
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So in the same article you remind us not to believe everything Lovie says, you then mention Lovie said McCown is the starter. HMMM…maybe Lovie didn’t really mean that either since you like to read between the lines of all of Lovie’s quotes.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:21 am
Here is the ENTIRE quote that JOE took an excerpt from The one HE wanted us to see
“I’ve been in position meetings with Mike,’’ Smith said. “I’ve been around Mike in every environment that you can think of, and then just watching him on the football field. And what you ask a quarterback to do – smart, make checks, and then throw the football, Mike can make all of the throws. I knew what he could do throwing-wise and all that before, but to just see it up close and personal – and a lot of talk that’s going on about Mike Glennon, what I’ve said is that Josh McCown is our starter, which he is. Love Josh, and Josh is pretty excited – more so than, or as excited as any fan as we have about the offensive group – but what I said was we like Mike Glennon and Mike has an excellent future in the league, and that’s how it has played out.”
May 12th, 2014 at 9:23 am
“Remember, it wasn’t Joe who stripped Glennon of his starting gig. –Joe”
And signed the new guy to $5 million a year (I challenge you to find a cheaper non rookie contract starter), only one year guaranteed.
So, he wanted a stop gap veteran, so he wasn’t throwing the young guy into the fire of a brand new offense.
There’s several ways to view what Lovie has done. Why do you choose to only view it a way that suits your opinion of Glennon?
May 12th, 2014 at 9:26 am
I too found it very interesting that Lovie said, “…this league..” as opposed to, “this team,” or the “Buccaneers.” I also think it is a little telling.
Just because a guy gets trade offers, doesn’t mean they were good offers. The Texans may have called about Glennon (and they still could) but perhaps weren’t willing to up their offer of a bag of old K balls.
Gator— Shaw signed with the Browns. Brett Smith is tons better anyway. Bigger, faster, not constantly injured.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:28 am
The jury is still out on Glennon’s value to Buc fans. The longstanding defense, a dozen or so here originally in support of the QB, are winning the arguement. The posts now reflect reality and the vindication of the believers. Put that in your pipe and puff it.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:29 am
OAR Says:
May 12th, 2014 at 9:11 am
It’s ok Joe. We all make mistakes. Why I just found out today you’re supposed to urinate on a jellyfish sting, not a jelly stain. Sorry lady at the Waffle House…. I was just trying to help.
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You and I go way way back, don’t even know from where-I might’ve posted under Brasho or Brandon, don’t remember…but this ^^^^^^^^ is some good stuff.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am
I wonder if my comment would still be awaiting moderation if I signed in with my usual email address.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am
Guess not, lesson learned.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:32 am
I think Brett Smith will end up being our ‘QB of the Future’ over Glennon, even though I do like Glennon…. I just think that Brett Smith has more raw physical tools that are coveted by our coaches.. Look for Brett Smith to have a Tony Romo-type ascension at a some point.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:33 am
* once he improves his mechanics & gets acclimated to the NFL game.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:35 am
Glennon started 13 games if they thought he was good enough to be a starter he would be he isn’t a rookie anymore he is a back up and I think he is a good back up
May 12th, 2014 at 9:38 am
Remember, it wasn’t Joe who stripped Glennon of his starting gig. –Joe
Right, it was Lovie who said McKown is the DAY 1 TRAINING CAMP STARTER. But unlike Freeman who melted under the pressure of a 3rd round QB being added to the team for competition, I bet Glennon actually uses it as motivation to get his job back and do better than the 2600 yards, 19Tds, 9Ints and the 83.9 QBR that he had in 13 GAMES he started as a ROOKIE with no weapons.
Pressure can burst metal pipes and it can also create diamonds, I see Freeman as the metal pipe. Which one will Glennon be? We will soon find out!
May 12th, 2014 at 9:40 am
I gotta go on a limb and think that lovie and licht did get a solid idea from Glennon during early training and that made him think twice about the current QBs and Glennon. My guess is that lovie wants to take a swing at Glennon and see if he can actually impress him. All other QB that came in probably didn’t impress Lovie as much as Glennon. Which of course is not fair since Glennon does have some experience. But something changed from last month to now and Glennon so far will be a buccaneer this season.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:41 am
I will say this lol
Glennon is not the “future” of the Bucs.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:44 am
at this point I just come here for the humor and fishing. trusted news and/or insight….not so much
May 12th, 2014 at 9:45 am
at this point I just come here for the humor and fishing. trusted news and/or insight….not so much
May 12th, 2014 at 9:45 am
@Joe
Actually I do root for LJ to be a starter because that means he has progressed and earned the job. I root for him just like I do for all Bucs players. And as you should with Glennon. Do you think Barber was washed up after his first year? As I remember he was third round pick too. Good thing we didn’t give up on him…
May 12th, 2014 at 9:52 am
I’m a member of the Smithereens, Rasta Seferians and Herronites! Making you proud Priest Luv My Bucs!
May 12th, 2014 at 10:01 am
Remember, it wasn’t Joe who stripped Glennon of his starting gig. –Joe
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Actually, I kind of dig the move here. The McCown idea does take significant pressure off the kid until Tedford can get a grasp on what he has.
Our first 3 picks were designed be QB friendly to whomever is behind center. Think Alex Smith. Make good decisions and manage the game.
May 12th, 2014 at 10:03 am
Joe,
I was never a fan of your boy Manziel but I’m not adequately fond of mike glennon being the qb of the future. Captain 3 and out Jr (freeman is senior of course) isn’t taking us anywhere even with those weapons. We”re building a team mirroring seattles before Russell Wilson fell into their laps and they were 7-9 at best.
Guess lovie will have to see for himself mediocre qbs will not get him to the post season until you get a signal caller
May 12th, 2014 at 10:10 am
@Biff
You sir are correct. Our OC an QB coach need time to see what they have. Also brought in the QB coaches boy Smith. We shall see.
May 12th, 2014 at 10:10 am
*and
May 12th, 2014 at 10:11 am
Listen up glennon fans .he is a 4th round rated qb with limited mobility in tedfords system…
glennon is a good QB…….no great ”
but if ALL of you keep being satisfied with the chris simms of the league ….keep waiting for the 2-40 year #1 defense to come around only won by avg qbs ok 3-30 this year (even though wilson’s 3rd dim /legs makes him a above avg…so was brad…but look what our D had to be……nevermind in a division we have now
Sapp said numerous times if we had a QB we would of had more than 1 superbowl im sure brooks feels the same just wont say it publically….
SO IF YOU THINK L&L AND BUCS FRONT OFFICE ARENT LOOKING AT MARCUS MARIOTA ,BRYCE PETTY OR JAMEIS WINSTON IF HE COMES OUT (PROB WILL NOW) OVER GLENNON HAHAHHAHAHAHAA YOU CAN THINK AGAIN…..theyll trade 1 and 2 if they got too…mortgage the house all in cause guess what …not many holes left EXCEPT A GREAT QB
May 12th, 2014 at 10:11 am
No one has stripped Glennon of a starting job. If you think for one minute that Glennon ends up being the best they will not use him as a starter, you need your head examined. However if you also think he has a secure number two position, you also need your head examined. Lovie is going to let everyone on the roster battle and the best man will win the job. That goes for every position. Lets start getting articles about the specifics of the talent now on the roster.
May 12th, 2014 at 10:19 am
There is absolutely NO reason to believe that Josh McCown will be the starting QB for the entire 2014 season! He has NEVER started a full 16 games in a season in his entire career….NEVER! He is now 35 years old…or at least he will be when the season starts…and at that age you don’t recover as quickly and injuries start to take a bigger toll. The Bucs did not pay him big money, starting QB wages. And he only has about 12-13 games of ACTUAL game experience over the last 5 years…or about the same as MG8 had in his rookie season! (Don’t get me wrong, I like McCown…but I have real concerns about his ability to last a full season) Glennon may not be Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck (although he could eventually become another Andrew Luck type QB), but he is a solid young starter with tons of upside and potential. I firmly believe that he WILL be the starter by October or November at the latest! That’s why they didn’t trade him…if they had, we would be looking at the Mike Kafka led Bucs for a large portion of the year!
May 12th, 2014 at 10:26 am
Tackleblockwin, agree that Smith’s athleticism is what Tedford covets. I still can’t see why he wasn’t drafted given he’s similiar to Wilson, Kaonpernick and JFF.
May 12th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Might as well stir the pot and say I can honestly see Glennon being as effective a QB as Russell Wilson. Different styles obviously, but similar caliber of play.
May 12th, 2014 at 10:43 am
Joe still hoping beyond hope that somehow his predictions about Glennon come to pass, even though the evidence is stacked against him. Remember, the Bucs drafted ALL OFFENSE and if they thought there was a QB better than Glennon and/or that QB was a position that needed upgrading they would’ve drafted a…guess what…a freaking QB!!! Stop denying the reality that’s staring you right in the face in favor of an opinion that’s been proven wrong over and over already.
Sir, Joe doesn’t root for his predictions. Joe roots for the Bucs. If you root for your predictions over the team, then perhaps you’re not really a fan. –Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the Bucs press room on Thursday night to see Joe’s expression when Lovie all but proclaimed “Why would we draft a QB when we already have Mike Glennon?”
May 12th, 2014 at 11:05 am
Why is it so difficult for the MGM to see that we wanted a QB IN THE DRAFT, so that we could trade MG8? #7 was too high, the rest were gone by our 2nd rounder. We simply weren’t going to trade away Glennon until we drafted another QB of the future. The draft didn’t work out that way for us (Carr being gone 2 picks before us) so we kept him. Glennon is the “plan B” obviously. But now he has a new chance with the same team, so maybe he takes advantage, maybe he doesn’t? We’ll find out in next year’s draft!
May 12th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Only thing that would top off this off season would be for Glennon to light it up this season and make the playoffs… Something tells me Joe would only get more infuriated and negative. LMAO… Anybody going to listen to Joe and Duemig this week? I for one am anxiously awaiting to hear there opinions on this draft and of course not drafting a QB. It will be the 2nd coming of the Symphony of Tears musical. I’m a sucker for good music.
May 12th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Why is it so hard to understand that there was no one better in THIS draft! Next year who knows, but you don’t just draft a QB for the sake of drafting one. I don’t know squat, but 20 something other NFL exec’s agree the risk was too high for QB’s this year.
May 12th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Its as simple as the eye ball test .Glennon doesnt pass the eye ball test, while he has a good arm and he is smart , he falls short as a athlete.
He doesnt have the ability to evade the rush, to roll out, or show the ability to take over the game to bring the team from behind . Sure he had 19 TDS 9 INTS , but mostly those stats were amassed in the first half, not in crunch time. Eye ball test says back up QB which is not bad.
May 12th, 2014 at 11:56 am
“Why is it so difficult for the MGM to see that we wanted a QB IN THE DRAFT, so that we could trade MG8? ”
“The draft didn’t work out that way for us (Carr being gone 2 picks before us) so we kept him.”
If you got any proof, now’s when you show it. Otherwise, it’s sour grapes. We already know what Lovie thinks of Glennon.
If the team truly believed any of those guys besides Bortles was their QB of the future, they would have taken him when he was available. It’s not too high, if it’s the guy you really want.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
BBFFC..it’s so hard for me, because I’ve ONLY been telling you guys for 2 weeks that the Bucs would NOT draft a QB in this draft. The #1 reason why I believed that and also stated so in the past is, because of Glennon. I felt Lovie saw him as an excellent back-up QB with potential and there was no way in hell they we’re going to get rid of him. Hell they got rid of 1/2 the team before the draft even started. Yet Glennon remained, still remains, and will remain here in Tampa for a little while. Might even start at some point in this season. Lovie could be following the Dungy model though. Not ask the offense to do too much and just not screw things up. That’s right in Glennon’s wheelhouse, McCown’s as well.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Right ODB and they could have traded down and got one too if they had a partner.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
@Nate:
Warren Sapp did say (since the great Bucs D held opponents to 16 ppg):
“That’s why I say give us 17 points, and we’ll make it stick.”
Just a reminder, MG8 averaged 19.5 ppg last year as a ROOKIE, with a far different supporting cast than will be available this year.
tickrdr
May 12th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
chipbuc ….so you don’t buy into Schiano and Co. might have been holding him back, because he was a rookie? Because sometimes it was so obvious to me that it was Schiano holding him back on certain in certain situations. Not an excuse, it was just my perception.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
“Anybody going to listen to Joe and Duemig this week?”
(sighs) I’m considering it.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
tickrdr Says:
May 12th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
@Nate:
Warren Sapp did say (since the great Bucs D held opponents to 16 ppg):
“That’s why I say give us 17 points, and we’ll make it stick.”
Just a reminder, MG8 averaged 19.5 ppg last year as a ROOKIE, with a far different supporting cast than will be available this year.
tickrdr
The way the rules have changed since that 2002 defense 17 points scoring is going to make you lose 90% of the time. Seattles offense was ranked in the top 12 overall last year so besides the best defense their offense was simply very good as well as to why they absolutely blew out a 1- dimensional team in the Super Bowl.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
The “proof” is named Josh McCown. The trade rumors and an endorsement of MG8 during the draft (not before) are secondary but telling as well. Coach-speak is the only case for the Glennon mob. Yes he’s decent, may become good. Yes his stats were good for a rookie. Yes I am rooting for him to succeed and be OUR Super Bowl QB. BUT, he’s not a system fit. I just believe that if we would have been able to get an adequate replacement (all qb’s before our 2nd rounder) we would have and the traded MG8. Where there’s smoke there’s fire! The trade feelers were sent out by us to get the other teams scouting him just in case we got a QB in the draft, sparking the rumors. But we pulled him off the market when we didn’t get a suitable backup/future franchise QB. Yes we passed at #7 on a lot of qb’s, but it was too high to take them, the market showed that with Johnny at #22. We did the right thing passing on them there, hoping to get one later. I’m no glennon hater, he is better than all the qb’s after Carr! That’s how I think it all went down at least.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
“BUT, he’s not a system fit.”
Everyone keeps saying this yet they have NO idea what the system is going to be yet.
Most of Tedford’s college QB’s were all drop back passers btw.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
I decided to objectively go look at Glennon. What he did last year and in college. I get that we in the Tampa area are jaded by what Schiano did. He was not ready for the NFL and he lost his job because of it. But it is also unfair to say that Glennon sucks because he was a Schiano guy. With that logic we have to punish Martin and Lavonte David.
With that being said, go back and view some tape of Glennon. The most popular knocks on him is that he is immoble, can’t throw on the move and can’t throw a deep ball. When you watch his college tape you will see while he isn’t greatly mobile (lets remember Schiano made the qbs wear knee braces and didn’t want them to move, Freeman looked a bunch more rigid under Schiano) a high percentage of his td passes are on the move and/or more than 30 yards downfield.
At the end of the year, (19 and 9) the bucs were killed by injuries on the offensive side of the ball. A group that was already lacking in talent and according to most sites and fans, dropped passes, underachieving lineman was decimated by injury. Glennon finished his last 8 games 4-4
May 12th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
@BBFC
That’s not proof that’s speculation. So, they so badly wanted to relieve Glennon of his duties that they went out and paid a guy 5 mill a year, one year guaranteed? Do you know any starters (other than rookie contracts) making less?
Orton is making 3.5m as a backup. So, the reality is the paid a guy one year guarateed as the lowest starters money in the league. Is that really a compelling sign to you?
-You don’t know who sent trade feelers out. You don’t even know if anything was sent out. You don’t know what was done as smoke to confuse other GMs. That’s speculation, admit it.
-You don’t know what the “system fit” is. That’s speculation, admit it.
The reality is nothing is set in stone. They will compete and the best man will play. Nothing new.
I get that people have “favorites” in the draft, but, let’s not take speculation as facts. Two vastly different things. When you read your post it’s like you are crafting a story. So little actual facts.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Glennon thrown into a firestorm managed to manage out a few wins.
This being said, I hope he doesn’t see the field much this season. He is the type of player (worker, studier etc) that would benefit from learning from a true pro and by all accounts, McCown is that. By all accounts, Freeman was not. So anything that MG8 learned from JF5 was minimal.
I am not a mgm member. My dream draft involved the Bucs getting Carr late in the first but objectively I can’t say that Carr will be better than Glennon. He just fits my eye better. But then, I didn’t see a full season of Carr.
I was and am not worried about passing on Manziel. He may turn out to be the next great qb but I saw enough in the LSU and Missouri game that gives me pause. I really feel bad for him. Cleveland wasn’t a great landing spot if Josh Gordon gets a big suspension. They don’t have a great running game and the expectations are for him to come in and win immediately in an entertaining fashion. Not sure why they pass on Watkins at 4 and if I am a Cleveland fan, I am not going to be so distracted by my Manziel excitement to overlook that.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Why trade you’re backup for peanuts? Lol how long Ryan mallet was held on to? If you don’t have a franchise qb in this year’s draft you hold on top Glennon. Everyone thinks he’s a capable backup maybe even more but you hold on top him into you done his replacement then you get value, trade him for who? A draft pick this year is nothing if you don’t want a qb, more time to show his skills and maybe you use him art the end of the this year and bundle picks together for a Winston you’re player if there is one
May 12th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
“BUT, he’s not a system fit.”
Everyone keeps saying this yet they have NO idea what the system is going to be yet.
Most of Tedford’s college QB’s were all drop back passers btw.
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Not only that but if he didn’t fit the system then why would they even keep him as a back up if he was useless? They would of took anything for him if that was the case.
Like I said people only see what they want to see despite what common sense tells you.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
By strict standards of “proof”, nobody can say what the deal is. Nobody but insiders. McCown is cheap, yes, a stop gap. For who though? It will be someone because he’s OLD! It could be Glennon, I said that. But there us just so much smoke in the air from day 1 about the system fit ect., 9/10 times it’s true.
May 12th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
“Going out for a hamburger” read : If pizza is on sale I will get pizza
Joe…I really think you are making up your own interpretation of L&L’s comments based on your own personal bias of Glennon. I don’t see anything near what you are reading between the lines of these comments. Are you psychic or something?
Yes, Joe interprets what he reads, sees and studies. –Joe
May 12th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
No worries BBFFC…you’re not the only one that has tried to make that point about Glennon not being a “system fit”. It’s been used before numerous times. That’s why I said “everyone” keeps saying, yet no one has a clue what it is yet.
We do know he likes tall though.
May 12th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Here’s a thought. If they do suck up this season. Some fan should bring a basketball to a game and throw it out onto the middle of the field.
May 12th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
The smoke comes from media. Smoke sells the heck more than boring facts.
I’m not saying it’s couldn’t be true, but, I’m not going to spin my wheels off speculation. If it happens, it happens. Until then, those are the two QBs (plus Smith). I just wanted to see Glennon be able to fight for a spot. I’m rooting for him. If he gets shipped off, I’ll root for the next guy.
May 12th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Once again, ball-less wonders create new user names to insult Joe, instead of growing a pair and using your regular names. Say asll you want about the straight-up talkers, at least they don’t use new names to say what they say.
MIKE GLENNON is so good he was replaced as starter by an 11 year backup who has never played a complete season.
MGMers can talk out their rear sides all they want, but that fact speaks volumes.
May 12th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
“MIKE GLENNON is so good he was replaced as starter by an 11 year backup who has never played a complete season.
MGMers can talk out their rear sides all they want, but that fact speaks volumes”
Does is REALLY speak volumes?
1) It’s a 5 mill one year contract. Less than ANY non rookie contract in the league. So, that’s compelling evidence?
2) Signing an experienced QB whether as a starter or a backup to help along a first year QB is safe if not, wise.
3) He’ll start training camp as starter. Whoever ever outplays the next guy will be the regular season starter. Let’s not kid ourselves. Best guy plays. Nothing new.
So, really, volumes??????
May 12th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
This is no joke. Connor Shaw went to Cleveland with Maziel. Unlike Joey Tantrum I’ve moved on. lol
May 12th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Cheer up William! Brett Smith is the new “Connor Shaw”! He CAME TO TAMPA at least!
May 12th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
An awful lot of Glennon haters trying to do some back peddling today. Right Harry? I will have to say though that Joe has not changed his stance although several posters have told him he is loosing credibility. You have to admire a man that is willing to die on a hill,win at all costs mentality. I just want to know Joe, what if Glennon lights it up this year, are you still going to root for him at the game and not support him in between? It’s in the archive as your fond of saying. Please do not join Duomig in another Gleenon bash session this Wednesday. Gleenon is still on the team, He’s going to be on the team first game and just may be the starting quarterback again. Your boy Freeman could very well be cut again by then. OH what ever happened to that investigation into his leaked medical? why don’t you ask Duomig about that Wednesday? He seems to keep up with his buddy Freeman.
May 12th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Right now, would you trade Mike Evans and Mike Glennon for Johnny Manziel and Shaq Evans, the receiver the Jets took in the 4th round? Because the Bucs could have traded Glennon after drafting Manziel and picked up a big target in this receiver deep draft. Anyone who thinks Mike Glennon is the future for the Bucs at QB, go back and look at film of Gary Hogeboom from the 1980″s Cowboys.
May 14th, 2014 at 10:38 am
Jeesh. Give it up Glennon haters. He’s still on the team. McCown will probably start but Glennon will come in if Josh goes down or sucks. Now, most of you think Brett Smith is our savior. He MIGHT make the team.
If only Conner Shaw came to town. 😉