Smelling A Play For Jadeveon Clowney?
May 7th, 2014
If rumors the Bucs are trying to move up to No. 2 are true, then could that be a play for South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney?
OK, this is the season of smoke. There’s no telling what to believe and what not to believe. Joe does believe what Jay Glazer Twittered last night, that the Browns have no interest in Johnny Football at No. 4, but maybe they’re interested later in the draft.
And if the Rams are so hot for Johnny Football, as rumor has it, then why would they trade out of the No. 2 pick?
Yesterday, Joe brought word from the creator, curator and overall guru of ProFootballTalk.com, the great Mike Florio, that the Bucs were in heavy panting for the Rams’ No. 2 pick.
Later last night, Florio explained the Bucs have but one desire at No. 2. And that is Johnny Football.
Joe knows all of his readers understand Joe’s Rachel Watson-like lust for Johnny Football. But these reports don’t add up. Could the Bucs want the No. 2 pick? Sure. But if the Rams and the Bucs want the same player, then the Bucs would have to pay a mortgage the size of an English kickball team for the Rams to give up that pick.
Joe never dreamed the Bucs could be in position to draft a potential stud like Jadeveon Clowney, the defensive end manchild from South Carolina. Given the fact Lovie is such a defensive guy and is hellbent on finding a way to make opposing quarterbacks eat dirt, Joe cannot imagine how Lovie would pass on Clowney and take Johnny Football at No. 2. Of course, Clowney may be gone with the No. 1 overall pick.
Perhaps Team Glazer ordered general manager Jason Licht to go get Johnny? It’s not like such an order hasn’t happened before.
Or could it be the Rams are floating this rumor to get Dixie Chicks general manager Thomas Dimitroff to shat his pants and jack up the ransom price by squeezing Atlanta, which openly covets Clowney?
May 7th, 2014 at 7:21 am
Bucs won’t & shouldn’t trade up…..unless they can trade Glennon & 7th for the upgraded pick…..we need our picks…..all of them!!!
May 7th, 2014 at 7:23 am
We trade up to number 2. What if we have a dream scenario where Clowney, Manziel and Watkins are all still available? It’ll be interesting if that’s the situation.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:23 am
Joe, this team has NEVER had ” the MNA” at the QB spot. This team was LAST in offense, time to pull the trigger on a QB. I would rather they go for it now at this #7spot. With the limited picks they have, don’t trade up, we still need QB. WR( or 2) and G help.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:24 am
oops MAN…. my bad
May 7th, 2014 at 7:39 am
@Joe
You just had to put the picture of Clowney squashing Vincent Smith of my University of Michigan Wolverines didn’t you?!?! I see the play enough on TV replays and now here WTH?!
I think you only trade up if you can get by with switching picks, Glennon, and say a 5th or 6th..
I mean really unless the Vikings trade up(They would probably pull another Ponder and draft Bridgewater) there really isn’t a team in front of us that’s going to take a QB in the 1st… Texans(Clowney) Rams(Robinson or Watkins) Jaguars(Mack) Browns(Matthews or Lewan) Raiders(Matthews/Lewan or Evans)
May 7th, 2014 at 7:42 am
Whoever drafts Clowney in the first-round this year will be making a mistake.
BUST!!!
May 7th, 2014 at 7:46 am
The Bucs may be trying to trade up to 2 for Manziel but if Houston takes Mack, the Bucs aren’t letting Clowney get by them.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:48 am
Can Clowney = Bowers?
May 7th, 2014 at 7:48 am
Jadeveon Clowney or Johnny, either way it would be a big improvement and will help our team.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:50 am
Clowney at all cost, I’ve been preaching this for months, maybe Lovie agrees with me. Would you rather have 3 players that might be OK as starters or the DE that is made for Lovie’s DL lined up next to McCoy for the next 10yrs? Who would opposing defenses double team, can’t double team both. There is only one FHOF player in this draft and that’s Clowney, go get him.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:06 am
Still onboard with the double trade back scenario you put out a couple days ago.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:06 am
Lovie already told the media TB is is last stop as a coach so if he wants to go for Clowney he’ll do it without consideration for job security. Think about it a minute, with Clowney you basically have Johnson, McCoy, McDonald, Clowney and when they resign GMC, the dline will be fixed for at least 3-4 years.
Plus Licht already told the media that he sees a franchise QB in the draft but not the one we might think. They didn’t sign Bowers and Clayborn extensions.. That’s got to be a sign.. Maybe plan A is to sign Clowney at #2 and Plan B is Manziel. Either way they get a very interesting player.
Go bucs!!
If it’s for Manziel then it’s fine but anything else doesn’t add up with me..
May 7th, 2014 at 8:10 am
No matter the player, the cost to move up to #2 is going to be too steep. I’d rather have the 3 to 4 good to great players those picks could produce over a possible elite player who could also be a bust.
But this is the Rams (and Texans) do whatever they can to bait someone into coming up. I think the RGIII trade will scare teams from pulling the trigger on moving up.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:11 am
Well if I were the Rams and I wanted to move down i would post something on PFT saying the BUCS want the spot to start the biding.
If we are hearing about it then it probably isn’t happening.
Move back in the draft and pick up Manziel in the 20s were he grades out
May 7th, 2014 at 8:12 am
@Yar u also have to worry about that guy they call Michael Johnson they paid him a decent amount to b n that who do u double team conversation
May 7th, 2014 at 8:16 am
If we trade up to get clowney then trade back into the first round to snag a JF I would deff have to change my shorts lol but any sort of clowney sliding Bridgewater or good potential qb wit late drafted wr in this deep class an I say we are deff gonna make noise n the league this year
May 7th, 2014 at 8:21 am
I know this post is about Clowney, who is going to be another Haynesworth, but I just have to say this. It’s going to be so funny when Manziel falls to the bottom of the first round–or further. He has no pocket presence. Zero. He has a 30% completion percentage when throwing to anyone NOT named Mike Evans. And half of those passes are prayerful heaves that will probably be picked in the NFL. He had arguably the best left tackle in college, yet at the slightest hint of pressure took off 20 yards in the backfield like a scared baby. In college, he was able to outrun those DE’s and DT’s. In the NFL, with a 4.68 40 and at 205 lbs., he is going to get annihilated.
My point is this: Manziel did not ‘make’ Evans and Matthews. Evans and Matthews ‘made’ Manziel. This guy is a 2 year project–at best. You’ll see when the scouts and GM’s–who actually know a thing or two about football–pass on him in droves. Go ahead and blast this post now; we will discuss it again tomorrow if you wish when he is drafted in the 20’s.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:27 am
season of smoke??? More like season of “jumping the gun”.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:50 am
Marinelli and Cullen are the only 2 guys that, if possible, can coach Clowney up to an AllPro status. Dallas have no shot at him.
May 7th, 2014 at 8:53 am
It’s no coincidence that the teams that are usually successful year in and year out don’t pull desperation moves and trade numerous picks for one player some are star struck over. Patriot and Ravens rarely pick in the top of the draft and actually the Patriots often trade back to acquire more picks. If you have a good scouting department and know how to evaluate and draft players that will fit your system then that HC/GM have proven more successful than the guys who give up the farm for one player. Lovie and Licht please stay at 7 or trade back and bend some other team over by taking a lot of picks from them
May 7th, 2014 at 9:00 am
I’m against it, but I believe it’s next year’s first rounder for Clowney as in my opinion, Lovie was given carte blanche when he took the job.
May 7th, 2014 at 9:18 am
No thanks. We already have a lazy overrated DE from a school in South Carolina.
May 7th, 2014 at 9:27 am
Here’s the reason why I think the Bucs will NOT trade up for Manziel…like it or not, the NFL is a “win now league”. Just look at the last two coaching regimes the Bucs have had…a couple of seasons is all you get these days to show you can win, or you’re out! A rookie QB ( unless he is playing in a very similar system to what he played in college) takes time to learn a new system, to be able to read NFL defenses, and to acclimate to the speed of the game! McCown and Glennon give the Bucs the best shot at QB this year. The Bucs do have a few holes to fill in the draft…O-line, WR, OLB, etc..but with a strong defense, good running game and accurate passing, the Bucs have a chance to win and make the playoffs THIS season. A rookie QB (not named Luck, Ryan or Manning)just doesn’t translate into more victories this year! That’s why I think we will see someone like Matthews, Mack or Evans at #7 for the Bucs, and not a risky trade up that mortgages the franchises future to select a player that may not even make it onto the field as a rookie! It just doesn’t make sense.
May 7th, 2014 at 9:31 am
Smoke, I say, smoke! The only way this makes sense is if the Bucs are trying to get Watkins. Even that doesn’t make sense given the WR depth of this draft.
There are so many holes to fill that giving up picks for what I see as a questionably committed player just does not jive. I know there are those who disagree but I do not think Clowney is as good of a prospect as people think. As Gene Hackman said in “The Replacements”, “It’s about heart!”
Just say “no”. Stay put or trade back. There will be a good player available.
May 7th, 2014 at 9:39 am
Licht and Lovie’s draft history suggests that they will not select a QB in the first round, certainly not trading up to #2 for one either. However, the Glazer family has shown that they will make big moves. If we combine their three draft ideologies, then we have the bucs making a bold move, but not for a QB.
May 7th, 2014 at 10:12 am
I’d prefer to have Aaron Donald over Clowney or Mack. I don’t think the Bucs will pay to move up, but may move down. If Manziel happens to be there at 7, then the Bucs are in great position to pick him or trade back.
May 7th, 2014 at 10:33 am
@Jordan
Malcolm was more apt to make bold moves, the sons not so much ( my opinion anyway). I think the smart play is pick best available that addresses immediate team need (WR or OL) unless some impact player they have graded off the charts falls to them. Otherwise see if they can fleece some team that wants to move up to the #7 spot
May 7th, 2014 at 11:22 am
If the Bucs trade up, its going to be really hard to move past the stupidness of it.
You can bet that the Bucs would over pay for the move. We haven’t really seen what Jason Licht would do when trading FOR something yet. I suspect we would kiss next year’s first goodbye.
May 7th, 2014 at 11:23 am
I think the Texans are going to take Bortles.
May 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am
I think the Bucs will select Mike Evans, but I’d be happy with some OL talent to protect the 2014 Bucs QB crop of McCown, Glennon, and Kafka
May 7th, 2014 at 11:49 am
This is all an attempt by the Bucs to get other teams nervous as hell and force them to jump over them in a trade up so the player the Bucs really want gets pushed down. They’ve identified Clowney and Manziel as the two best players to “play” this game with. You guys are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
May 7th, 2014 at 11:50 am
The Patriots and ravens play in shi**y divisions that’s why you make a move like the falcons did,how dangerous were they with Julio Jones and with out??!
May 7th, 2014 at 11:58 am
A move to #2 would be for Mack or Robinson. Doubt if they pull the trigger though
May 7th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
I grew up in Orlando and life long Bucs fan. I have lived in Columbia, SC for past 19 years. I have watched every South Carolina game. I have gone to the public practices and followed Clowney. He is a player that only comes around once every 25 years. I would trade all of our picks for him. He is that good. They could get him with glennon trade and next year’s first round pick.
May 7th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Clowney please no more rg3 or cam running by our dline.. thats what clowney factor brings