Doug Marrone Knows
April 7th, 2014
Adam Schein believes Bills coach Doug Marrone got one over on the Bucs.
Until or unless the Bucs address the wide receiver position in the draft — and you just know they will — the trade of Mike Williams just because he was a nuisance will continue to gnaw at Joe.
It also confused Joe. Bucs coach Lovie Smith, when he was with the Bears, embraced Brandon Marshall, who makes Williams look like an altar boy by comparison. So all of a sudden having a mattress in the front yard and hanging out with rappers gets you run from a football team?
There is one person who seems to have the best angle on this story and it is none other than popular sports radio and television personality Adam Schein. The proud Syracuse grad watched all of Williams’ games for the Orange and the fact that his old college coach, Doug Marrone, traded for Williams is all Schein needs to know.
In short, Schein, host of “Schein on Sports,” broadcast weekday afternoons on “Mad Dog Radio,” part of the family of sports channels heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio, infers that Lovie just doesn’t know Williams, and Marrone does.
“I think it is noteworthy that Doug Marrone makes the trade for Mike Williams,” Schein said Friday . I think that it is noteworthy because he knows everything about him. He knows the good. He knows the bad. He has seen him dominate on the collegiate level and he threw him off the team at Syracuse.
“He knows that he was incredible his rookie year for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And he knows that he has underachieved since. And he knows he was recently in an altercation with his brother that resulted in a stabbing and going to the hospital. So I think that Doug Marrone knows everything that he is getting. But he also knows he has freakish talent.”
Schein also thought that Marrone pilfered the Bucs in the deal, giving up only a sixth-round pick. Now Joe knows there are many Bucs fans who think the same way. Not Joe.
Remember, Williams’ 2013 season was cut short by injury and he had to have surgery on his hamstring. In short, Williams, until he plays in a game, is damaged goods on the open market. He has yet to step on a field since his surgery.
How does anyone know he can return to his old self?
April 7th, 2014 at 10:40 am
Freakish talent?
Oh yea, surrrrre he does. Right with Calvin Johnson.
Comparing him to Brandon Marshall?
Please. Such a legend couldn’t get more than a sixth rounder for him.
Wont be missed even the slightest bit.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:46 am
“How does anyone know he can return to his old self?”
Well, for one, we have all been following his rehab. Dude lives, eats, and smokes football!! He’s laser focused on being the best wide receiver in the league. #nodistractions
April 7th, 2014 at 10:46 am
Just maybe they weren’t impressed with his skillset.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:47 am
But he also knows he has freakish talent.”
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At setting fires. At mattress tossing. At dancing on a stripper pole. At dodging knives – ok, he’s not so freakish at that.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:47 am
Let it go Joe.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:47 am
JB & the rest of the media only “know” what the Bucs have allowed you to know. To be frank, the players on the team could have been the straw that broke the back for management. Players aren’t going to sit back and watch a teammate with poor practice habits earn a $40 million contract while they bust their humps for equal or less. Its very possible that the new regime got feedback from the locker room and has likely earned the locker rooms respect by dumping M. Williams.
I was never a huge Raheem fan but he coined a great phase…”you’ll be tolerated until you can be replaced”. Dominik was never going to let one of his few productive draft picks go, particularly after giving him a huge raise but with the new regime in town, its much easier to speak up as a player about lazy/distracted teammates. Penn was a great teammate on and off the field and if we can part ways with him, M. Williams was a no brainer. As fans we remember all the great catches Williams made but in film study I bet it was extremely obvious the guy was taking plays off, not running clean routes and overall very inconsistent. If you are not working to get better in the NFL each and every day….you are one step closer to the door.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:47 am
Are you kidding me????? How can you even put Brandon Marshall and Mike Williams in the same sentence????? If Williams were Marshall nobody would have expected him to be traded or shown the door. And yes damaged goods, questionable drive to succeed when younger and just got a fat contract extension last year. But I compare Vjax more to Brandon Marshall. They have both lost a step but can still compete. Jeffery was needed for that duo to work the way it did last year….and Williams was not going to be our Jeffery this year. We need a Watkins or Evans come the draft and things will be looking good. I’m not TOO concerned at slot receiver if Wright and Myers are being targeted a lot in this new offense…..IF!!!
April 7th, 2014 at 10:49 am
#19 was going to get cut before the OTA today!! That’s why lovelite called every team!! Only 2 were interested. The sucker Bills had the best offer. Joe you are clueless!! Get nothing and cut him or find a sucker and get a sixth round pick!! Coach Smith said at the owner meeting “Williams pattern of behavior is very disturbing.” If you don’t understand this statement I have a bridge to sell to you!!
April 7th, 2014 at 10:49 am
It’s truly sad how quickly Buc fans turn on a player… No one was complaining about locking Mike up to a contract after the 2012 season and his contract is exactly what a top number 2 wideout is being paid in the NFL… I guess everyone on here complaining about MW19 is a saint outside of work and has NEVER done anything wrong in their ENTIRE life? Maybe you guys should get fired from your job for having a loud birthday/house party or because your brother stabs you in the leg??? The rest of the stuff is all RUMORS(None of the other stuff was confirmed)… You guys are all banging your fist to get MW19 out of here but wanted to bring a player who might or might not have gang ties?? Where is the logic in that? What because he had 1300 yards last year? Guess you guys want anyone as long as they produce enough but the second they don’t you don’t want anything to do with them…
Yes the draft is deep at WR… But I recall the same draft when we got Benn and MW19 it was also a supposed deep draft at WR(Dez, Demaryius, Tate, Sanders, Decker, MW19) Then there were the busts too(Benn, Damian Williams, Lafell, Shipley, Armanti Edwards, Taylor Price, Gilyard all picked before MW19)… Ya we could come out of this draft with one or two studs(Dez, Decker) or we could come out of this draft with two duds(Damian Williams, Armanti Edwards)
Didn’t like this move at all and don’t like how we haven’t signed anyone for the G position(Sorry but Cousins doesn’t count he is terrible)… As much as we want to say we are good to take BPA when we pick we really can’t.. We have MAJOR needs at WR G and QB(I don’t trust a 34 year old starter or Glennon) along with O-line depth in general…
April 7th, 2014 at 10:50 am
List of #2 WR
AFC North – Steve Smith, Little/Burleson/Hawkins, DHB/Moore, Jones/Sanu
AFC South – Hopkins, Hilton, CSIII/Blackmon, Washington
AFC East – Woods(BEFORE MW19 Trade), Hartline, Amendola, Kerley/Hill
AFC West – Welker/Sanders, Avery, Streeter/Holmes, Brown/Floyd
NFC North – Tate, Jeffery, Cobb, Patterson
NFC South – White, Underwood(lol), Stills
NFC East – Williams, Randle, Maclin/Cooper, Garcon
NFC West – Floyd, Boldin, Baldwin, Pettis/Austin/Givens/Bailey/Quick(lol)
Ya other than maybe 10 of them I’m taking MW19 over the rest…
April 7th, 2014 at 10:50 am
I wish that the Bucs draft Mike Evans.
Mike Evans MADE Johnny Football look great. Evans is a ballhawk. And is fast for a 6’5 beast.
Please Lord and Christ almighty… let the Bucs draft Mike Evans.
Amen.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:53 am
This is s much better TEAM without Williams. Period.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:54 am
We got robbed plain and simple
. Fans who don’t see that are clearly naive and foolish, with a deep draft at wide receiver hopefully we can land 2.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:54 am
We’ll always have the Caveman Gang.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:56 am
Why is it every time an athlete does something dumb, we have to hear from some that “we all used to do dumb stuff when we were younger.”? Speak for yourself.
I never read anything about off field issues with Mike Alstott. Warrick Dunn. Derrick Brooks. Gerald McCoy. And the list goes on and on. So spare us all the “everybody” does dumb stuff spiel. Some people have respect for their fellow man, and some don’t.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:58 am
Great Take Joe! You are the first one I have seen mention that Williams couldn’t separate from anyone and was less effective than Tiquan and the hair was last year. He is not fast to begin with, and while he does present a big target, he is no target if he has a defender draped all over him. Surgery on a hammy isn’t a nick. It could end his career if he looses a step. The slide from a good number 2 to a number 4 is not that far.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:59 am
BTW, Lovie drafted Jeffrey in the third round……………now a pro bowler with over 1400 receiving yards.
Pretty good talent evaluation there, on the offensive side of the ball.
April 7th, 2014 at 10:59 am
Freakish talent? Did he really say that?
April 7th, 2014 at 11:02 am
@Philip. I know a lot of people who wanted him resigned going into last year, but I know a lot more who thought we overpaid. Thank god Lovie isn’t tied to him due to Dominic’s contracts. Last year he wasn’t worth the money, but would’ve been good value this year. But there is no way he is worth the 6 mill he would’ve made next year, meaning he was going to be off the roster before next march anyways.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:02 am
Phillip,
What bridge do you want I will sell it to you? What if your door was kicked in? What if you were the owner of the house burned? Would you sue him? What if your house had 50k in damages? Would you sue him? Do you have 16 tix in four years? Pick a bridge I will sell it to you.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:08 am
Freakish talent is worth more than a 6th rounder.
Freakish talent with major baggage brings you a 6th rounder.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:16 am
“I guess everyone on here complaining about MW19 is a saint outside of work and has NEVER done anything wrong in their ENTIRE life”
I don’t know anyone who thinks a normal 9-5 er who has a 401k and works until retiring at 65ish is comparable to a pro athlete.
Not at all jobs are comparable. Pros have an extremely small window to be effective and productive with the hopes that all of the extreme effort correlates to a brief career that allows you to retire for the rest of your life.
That financial reward means higher scrutiny (both on and off the field) and higher expectations (both on and off the field).
Even if I had the talent, I definitely did not have the maturity at that age. I partied hard. But, I’m not a pro athlete. I realize that there’s some giving that goes along with all that success. One of them is showing more maturity and commitment than many people in the 20’s do not naturally possess.
Some guys make a conscious decision to put off living the high life until they retire. Others think they can do both. Rarely can they…
April 7th, 2014 at 11:16 am
Come on man! The beard was overpaid and obviously wasn’t going to be a part of the future. I have full trust in what Lovie and Co. are doing. Besides, the fact that none of the teammates have said squat via twitter about ‘the beard’, speaks louder than any dead horse beating by the bad beer drinking, Johnny football fantasizing, well done prime rib eating, bad pop up ad pimping, Joe.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:17 am
@ Phillip I know PLENTY of people who were not crazy about Williams contract extension including myself, and he is not a TOP number two wideout. I can think of a lot more than ten no2 wideouts I would rather have over. And I think a lot of the people in here were probably fighting they’re sibling and putting themselves in bad situations long before they became successful in whatever it is they do….If they are not successful then there is probably a reason for it relating to they’re behavior and decision making. And not only being a professional of any profession making a lot of money, he is a professional football player and is expected to set a better example for the young people that follow sports. So with all of that being said I think it was a great move considering you can find his equivalent replacement in the sixth round. He is not that good and again is damaged goods now. Good move.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:32 am
@Fred
I get what you are saying but the second someone suffers an injury they should be cut because they aren’t worth the money anymore? If that’s the case why wasn’t Jamaal Charles Adrian Peterson Ryan Matthews or Lesean McCoy released? Or CJ Spiller Julio Jones Roddy White Randall Cobb Jordy Nelson etc… Injuries happen all the time can’t cut everyone just because they have a season ending injury… Fact of the matter is he was one of the TOP WR2 in the NFL and we let him go for a 6th rounder… With NOBODY behind him..
@Poo Bear
He paid for the door on spot.. Okay.. Houses burn down all the time… I got pictures on my cell phone from the house behind me burning down.. When you are in an EXPENSIVE house and something happens in that house chances(grease fire!) are there is gonna be expensive damages… BTW I didn’t know ANY of that had to do with anything related to being a bad teammate? Was he arrested for any of that stuff? Pacman Jones can come back from doing way worse and be a good teammate but Mike Williams can’t? Jimmy Smith of the Ravens hasn’t been a good teammate? Vincent Jackson hasn’t? Ray Lewis? The list goes on and one…
Dude get over yourself choir boy people make mistakes… Shouldn’t throw stones in a glass house
@Eric
He also drafted Gabe Carmini… Congrats on picking ONE single pick..
April 7th, 2014 at 11:32 am
Why assume the risk on mike (house party) Williams. We still have 5 months untill opening day. That’s plenty of time for more house parties and all the shenanigans that follow.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am
@Kevin
Okay name them.. I already made the list for you to pick from..
Cobb Garcon Hopkins Jeffery Floyd Tate Hilton Patterson… Then what you will take a player that has was 2 years left(White Welker Smith Boldin) as opposed to idk 6-8?
April 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am
Remember one of the few things Shiano did was release Kellen (Vaseline Boston market) Winslow and look @ where he is now.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:38 am
That has *what* not was my bad…
April 7th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Well lets not forget that Mike Williams being traded to Buffalo is the worst landing spot for him. He is back home now, and will surely throw some legendary parties there…lol. He is a very good talent when focused, but Mike Evans will make us forget about Mike Williams.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Mike Williams wasn’t let go for nickel & dime nonsense. That’s a gross misrepresentation of what happened. He was let go because football isn’t his first priority. Or his second. Or maybe even his third.
Lovie isn’t going to tolerate players who aren’t consummate professionals. You’d better be all-in, all the time, or he’ll replace your ass.
Joe, you’re doing the Bucs a disservice by claiming that Williams was traded because of rap groups, broken doors, speeding tickets and getting stabbed by his brother. Those were the symptoms, not the cause. The cause was not being a football player first and not taking his profession as seriously as possible.
Why you can’t see this, especially after Lovie’s comments over the past couple months about the type of players he wants, surprises me. I thought you were smarter than that.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Oh and I BET you guys all saying all the crap he’s done were the same people pounding your fists for Desean Jackson… You know the same guy that supposedly has gang ties… Just because he got 1300 yards last year… Pathetic…
Double Standard no?
April 7th, 2014 at 11:47 am
@FLBoyInDallas,
You sir, are 100% correct.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:47 am
I think Schein is off with his analysis. If the Ravens got a 6th round pick for Anquan Boldin, who is by far a better receiver than MW19 both stats wise and off the field. Does it make sense that the Bills got one up on us for a 6th round pick for MW? I just dont see this adding up. After we draft a WR in slot 7, MW will be forgotten.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Anyone who says Mike Williams is crap, what they really mean is they are praying he’s crap going forward. Because if he continues putting up top 25 WR numbers (which he has to date in his career, injury year aside), then there is virtually no defending this trade.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:58 am
lol
Here we have all these so-called fans saying how the rest of the world knows Mike Williams is no good, and when a national reporter contradicts them, they hurl insults.
They have no idea how to act with class.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:59 am
@bucrightoff
You nailed it.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
The one who has no idea how to act with class is Mike Williams. That’s the reason he’s no longer in Tampa.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Phillip…I hardly saw anyone on JBF clamoring for Desean, maybe a few fans, but not many at all.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
“Mike Williams wasn’t let go for nickel & dime nonsense. That’s a gross misrepresentation of what happened. He was let go because football isn’t his first priority. Or his second. Or maybe even his third.”
FLBoyInDallas…I agree as well.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Joe you are a idiot
April 7th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
@ FLBoyInDallas
Exactly!!!
April 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
@Bucs1987
Go to archives there are plenty of them..
April 7th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
“Mike Williams wasn’t let go for nickel & dime nonsense. That’s a gross misrepresentation of what happened. He was let go because football isn’t his first priority. Or his second. Or maybe even his third.”
BINGO! FLBoyInDallas wins the internets!
April 7th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
I’m one who thinks Marrone pulled one over on Licht. For one thing as soon as Marrone heard there was trouble in paradise with MW and the locals were ready to burn a cross in his yard, he called Licht, and offered to take him off his hands. I’m sure Marrone sold Licht a bill of goods on MW’s past transgressions which I’m sure was the deciding factor that eventually sealed the deal for a sixth round pick.
Williams should have never been traded until there was a replacement of equal or better value. Marrone instigated it and bent Licht over at the waist. Licht should have stood firm and kept him unless he at least had gotten a 5th round pick for him. Licht could have easily kept Marrone on speed dial until the time was right and everything was in place to make the change. Otherwise this was a bad move.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:39 pm
Mike Williams has been in the top 25 one time lol. 18th in 2012, 50th in 2011, 32nd 2010, so yea umm @bucrightoff and buccaneer bonzi go educate yourselves about the game before you trow out some trash.Mike Williams career stats are 215 receptions for 2,947 yards and 25 TD. top 25 numbers !? lmao you sound like a complete idiot. Smoke Williams had one decent year end if story. We can easily replace that guy with a rookie because he was simply not that good. Do some research though before you think you are just going to throw out some donkey statement on a football thread and no one is going to call you on it scrub.
April 7th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Haha unproven until he returns? Last I checked we paid a 1st and 4th for that kind of confidence…. Friedman and the Rays need to put on a seminar for these good ol guys
April 7th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
@Phillip
When you put together Cutler, Marshall and Jeffries it can hardy be said you are not paying attention to the offensive side of the ball.
April 7th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
@FLBoyinD, what makes u think football wasn’t his first priority? Tell me once he missed a game or practice because of off the field shenanigans?…. I’ll wait. It’s the offseason. Anything short of knocking out your fiancée, joining a gang, or killing someone, I’m not really sure why you care. He shows up on game time and performs better than the majority of players on our team; y’all are right.. he parties too hard, get him the hell of this team, and for a 6th at that!!
But go ahead, trust the franchise’s decision, they definitely deserve it after the past decade of dominance lol… you fans crack me up
April 7th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Mike Williams season yards rankings, 2010-now
2010: 19th
2011: 47th
2012: 21st
2013: Hurt…
TD Rankings
2010: 4th
2011: 76th
2012: 11th
I suspect Bucsfan85 is using fantasy rankings, proving how little he knows about football. A guy who ranks in the top 11 twice and top 20 twice in 3 years isn’t some garbage receiver. People are hoping he becomes garbage, but like Revis people want to act like he sucks because he’s gone. It’s pretty sad really. Again remember, Mike Williams is a #2 receiver. As such, he ranks as one of the top 3 or 4. But now that he’s a Bill and not a Buc, he’s garbage. Sound logic…
April 7th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Williams bad hammy in cold weather? Yeah, good luck with that.
I like Williams and wish we would have kept him at least another year, but we didn’t – and that’s that.
April 7th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
I have a theory. MW19 was let go for peanuts because off long term rebuilding. Although we could have kept him cheap this year, next year is he worth the big cash? L&L say no, with injury, attitude risk ect. They figured its 50/50 we cut him next offseason, so why not get any pick we can now?
That being said, team is worse today than before. No doubt, and he is top half of #2 wr in nfl no doubt when healthy.
Bigger concern is when combined with cutting revis to move up to the 3rd round, dumping zuttah for 4th, Williams a 6th shows a draft heavy emphasis as stage 2 of the plan after FA additions. It makes sense on one level, BUT I worry that like most GMs they are overestimating their own draft skills. Numbers don’t lie and after the 2nd/3rd round, any pick has a very high probability of a short or no career at all. A 6th rounder making a team or lasting more than a few years as a backup is the exception, not the rule.
April 7th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Phillip..your right there we’re quite a bit of fools that were saying that about Desean, but I think most Buc fans would want any big name WR that hit the market no matter his history and that was before MW was traded. Fans are starving for WR’s so of course many will overlook “gang ties”for a player of Desean’s caliber. I’m not one of them, but it makes sense.
Also Mike Williams is not a big name.
April 7th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
BBFFC…I think there is a lot of overestimating going on and a lot of over-thinking as well.
I’m willing to bet this team does not see the playoffs for atleast another 2-3 seasons possibly longer. It’s going to take a long time for this team to gel, but some on here seemed to think Lovie is waving his magic wand each and every day, so surely a winning season will follow.
April 7th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
@Eric
That’s great that “LOVIE” got them(Thinking the GM actually made the trade) but still never had a potent offense… You can draft/sign/trade for all the great players you want doesn’t mean you have the capability of coaching them to be great or hiring coordinators that can make them great which is exactly what happened… It only took for Lovie to get canned and for a KNOWN QB GURU and OFFENSIVE coach(from the CFL) to come in and get the job done on offense..
April 7th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Even before he got hurt he was dropping a lot of balls. He got his bell rung a few times and then wouldn’t/couldn’t make the tough catches over the middle. Back shoulder was the only thing he was really that good at. Pro football focus says he’s the 3rd “best” at dropping catchable balls with a drop rate of 13.42%. (Desean is 4th) That’s over the last three years with receivers with at least 125 catches.
April 7th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
@Phillip
Lovie had final say in Chicago, as he does here.
That’s a very good group of offensive weapons he helped assemble.
April 7th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Saying Marrone knows him is false. Mike Williams is clearly not the same person he was his rookie year, much less during his college days. Was Mike funding the Cave Man Gang in college? Did he cause 50k in damage to his dorm room in college? Did he have 16 speeding ticket in college? Did he leave cryptic messages on social media at Syracuse? Money changes people, and it has clearly changed Williams. Hopefully for his sake this trade has humbled him, but he sure didn’t look like he was going to change without it.
April 7th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
@Eric
Where is documented proof that he has final say? It’s all speculation.. Regardless he still didn’t make them become an ELITE offense or even a good offense… They were average to below average offense and it took a CFL Offensive Head Coach to get the production.. Might I add he got better production from McCown than Cutler.. Like I said before you can get all the talent you want if you can’t Coach them to their potential or find offensive coaches to do it then what good does it?? You don’t have an argument against that sorry..
April 7th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
@Philip,
The new Guru in Chicago won one less game than Lovie did in his last year. And, his defense fell apart.
I suppose it depends on your definition of production. I rate winning football games as the most important factor.
An offense under Lovie plays different than under Marc Trestman. Just because it doesn’t lead the league in stats doesn’t mean the key plays aren’t made to win games.
The offensive Guru in Chicago has never led an NFL team to the Super Bowl, or an NFC Championship Game.
Il take Lovie, who has.
He knows how to put together and coach a team. And win.
It will happen here, watch and see.
April 7th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Offensive rankings during Lovie Smith’s Chicago Bears tenure:
2004: 32
2005: 29
2006: 15
2007: 27
2008: 26
2009: 23
2010: 30
2011: 24
2012: 28
2013 with Marc Trestman as coach: 8
Number of offensive co-ordinators: 4
People really, really need to temper expectations for Lovie’s “offense”. Most likely it’s going to rank in the bottom third of the league. It did for 8 of his 9 seasons in Chicago. Hell it ranked in the bottom fourth of the league 7 times out of 9. Lovie is going to improve the defense for sure. Obviously since the offense ranked 32 he can only improve it, but anyone thinking top 15 offense should calm down a bit.
April 7th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
People are so in love with stats, but love to ignore wins and losses. That’s funny to me that people can be so oblivious to what really matters. If your team has a great defense, you aren’t going to chuck the ball all over the field. Doesn’t matter who is the coach. Also, if your defense is scoring or giving you short fields all the time, the numbers are going to be way down.
April 7th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
@Eric
So the offensive guru Marc Trestman won ONE less game than Lovie did… In his first season in the NFL with a terrible old and hurt Defense… Lovie couldn’t construct an offensive line to save his life but other than that the rest of the pieces were already there with a much better defense… No excuses dude sorry
April 7th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
@phillip,
An old and terrible defense?
Didn’t play that way in Lovie’s last year.
But I guess Trestman gets excuses, Lovie doesn’t. That’s fine.
Wake me when Trestman gets into a Super Bowl. But I guess in your world that is no accomplishment either.
April 7th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
@Eric
Ya players do get older and when that happens injuries happen or they don’t get re-signed… Urlacher Briggs Tillman (Melton got injured I believe too) the foundations to their defense… No one on offense was close to being that old but sure…
April 7th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Who cares? The deal is done, he’s gone. Put it in the rear view mirror and get over it. He’s someone else’s problem now.
April 7th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Doms worst extension of all!!
Thank god we saved all that money!!
More defensive $!
Im with Lovie.
I want a Seattle like defense!
Like the Bucs with Dungy!
Nastyyyyy!
April 7th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
stratobuc Said:
“Who cares? The deal is done, he’s gone. Put it in the rear view mirror and get over it. He’s someone else’s problem now.”
Or someone else’s gold? We’ll see if we got a good deal or not.
April 7th, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Brandon Marshall has a diagnosed mental illness. Mike Williams is just an immature clown that didn’t know what it took to be a professional.
BIG DIFFERENCE!
April 7th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Plain and simple…with all of these “deep” receivers, let’s see how many put up Williams’s rookie season stats…over 900 rec yds and 11 TDs. Say what you want about him, the fact of the matter is that this move made us worse, and ruined our chance to grab a potential franchise quarterback now that we HAVE to go WR in rd 1. This could affect the team long term
April 7th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
@Phillip
That is the most hilarious and obvious contradiction I may have ever read on JBF. You said no excuses, yet made a huge excuse for Trestman. That’s so hilarious that nothing you write could have any merit. Talk about a double standard.
And just to correct you, Trestman won 2 less games than Lovie’s last season. 2 games is quite a big difference in a 16 game season Then again, in your opinion, wins and losses aren’t very relevant. It’s all about twisting numbers to fit your agenda.
April 7th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
We don’t have to go WR in round 1. This is the deepest class of WR’s maybe ever. We already have a #1, so it’s not like we have to get the best of the best. We are worse off without Williams, but that’s all on him for being an idiot. But hey, he didn’t kill anyone, so his actions are totally fine to many.
April 7th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Blah blah blah blah Williams blah blah. Ble blah blah ble blah talent blah blah. Blah stripper pole ble blah blah. Why trade blah blah Williams. Ble ble blah blah blah!
Man will I be glad when the draft comes, and we can talk about something else besides mattresses, stripper poles & Mike Williams talent level, and what a bad neighbor he was, and ble blah blah blah BLAH!
There, I think that sums up everything there is left to say on this subject.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:08 am
I will not be letting this go, and I really think this is a massive mistake.
April 8th, 2014 at 7:53 am
@Hawaiian Buc
I gave them both an excuse if you actually read my comments.. Lovie with the Offensive Line… Trestman had an old and injured defense… I didn’t give Lovie an excuse with the offense because he had 9 years and it was never good… But okay.. I also was just agreeing with Eric about the one game thing…
So because now that he was traded MW19 is an idiot? Exactly my point from a couple days ago how people on here turn so quickly on former Buc players… You were just defending him after the stabbing incident and nothing has changed literally other than him being traded to the Bills… Congrats dude…
This is if you didn’t read what can still happen in deep WR drafts..
Yes the draft is deep at WR… But I recall the same draft when we got Benn and MW19 it was also a supposed deep draft at WR with studs(Dez, Demaryius, Tate, Sanders, Decker, MW19)… Then there were the busts too(Benn, Damian Williams, Lafell, Shipley, Armanti Edwards, Taylor Price, Gilyard all picked before MW19)… Ya we could come out of this draft with one or two studs(Dez, Decker) or we could come out of this draft with two duds(Damian Williams, Armanti Edwards)