“With The Seventh Pick… “
April 1st, 2014
Former Bucs QB Shaun King released his latest mock draft
It’s the Season of Smoke right now. It’s hard to gauge just what an NFL team will do leading up to the NFL Draft. Who will a team take? Will a team trade up? Will a team trade down?
With the Bucs, one could answer all questions, “yes.” The Bucs could draft a quarterback, could draft a tackle, could draft a wide receiver, could draft a tight end, maybe even draft a defensive end at No. 7. The Bucs could easily trade up with the Rams for Johnny Football, for example, and they could easily trade down to stock up on draft picks in a deep draft.
That leads Joe to an NFL analyst for Yahoo! Sports and NBC Sports Network, former Bucs quarterback Shaun King. Sadly, too many jealous Bucs fans forget King is but one of three quarterbacks in franchise history to lead the Bucs to an NFC championship game. Today, King offered his NFL acumen to explain who the Bucs will pick in his latest mock draft.
That would be UCLA linebacker Anthony Barr.
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Needs: DE, TE and OT The pick: Anthony Barr (LB, UCLA) – In a close call, Tampa takes Barr over Khalil Mack. The Bucs need another third-down, hand-in-the-ground rusher opposite Michael Johnson. Barr profiles better long-term with that transition.
Now Joe understands King’s logic of getting a hand-in-the-dirt rusher. Thing is, Joe believes the Bucs may just have enough. Yes, Joe had to read that last sentence again to make sure he was sober. Nope, Joe hasn’t had a drop of alcohol (today). With the addition of Clinton McDonald and Michael Johnson, along with the current pass rushers on the Bucs’ roster, a pass rusher is not a great need any longer.
Besides, Barr would also play outside linebacker, where he would play roughly 40 percent of the time because the Bucs will otherwise be in nickel coverage. Hard to justify drafting a guy at No. 7 to play less than half the defensive snaps.
Bucs general manager Jason Licht often talks about “value.” Drafting Barr at No. 7 and potentially watching him sit most of a game isn’t exactly the best way to get value out of such a high pick.
April 1st, 2014 at 6:50 pm
with the 7th pick the bucs select sammy watkins clemson
April 1st, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Better trade up and get clowney if pass rush is still the call
April 1st, 2014 at 6:53 pm
Bucs could draft a quarterback, could draft a tackle
That could now be Shawn King (all-in-one)
Buccaneer Bonzai, don’t read below:
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
April 1st, 2014 at 6:58 pm
I Watkins isn’t there at 7 I say Evans if we go Offense. If we go Defense, honestly Aaron Donald. He would give good rotation with McCoy and can Play next to him on 3rd down.
April 1st, 2014 at 6:59 pm
My problem with not getting a QB high in the draft is that we could be a middle of the road team with a QB that is just good enough and never have the opportunity to draft a top tier QB again. Draft a QB with the 1st pick if one is available, don’t let be stuck with a garbage QB for the next 10 years.
April 1st, 2014 at 6:59 pm
“Jealous buc fans”… Jealous? I don’t get the under-headed diss…
April 1st, 2014 at 7:02 pm
im torn between alota players i want sammy he not gunna be there i like mack i wouldnt mind trading down and drafting carr
April 1st, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Spot on with that one Joe!!!
April 1st, 2014 at 7:07 pm
SK 10….not if there is still a double whopper with cheese….still on the board
April 1st, 2014 at 7:10 pm
I have no idea who the Bucs will pick at #7, but whoever it is will be a solid pick because we can use help on both sides of the ball. But if the Bucs decide to trade down a little, I’m convinced that the pick will be DT Aaron Donald.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:12 pm
Yea, I’m jealous of nothing, Shaun King is a fat mess.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:17 pm
Aaron Donald would all but complete the D-line rotation. Where’s the depth if McCoy goes down?
April 1st, 2014 at 7:18 pm
The first time I’ve heard Barr going before Mack
April 1st, 2014 at 7:21 pm
Picking a qb in 1st rnd doesn’t make him a top tier QB. Carr in first round is laughable. The 3 qb are good, but its more about potential and ceiling than actual elite level.
Watkins, robinson, Clowney, donald, mack and manziel because he is a playmaker
Then evans, ebron, barr as B plan
Still think we should try to improve our passrush with the draft
April 1st, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Joe undermines his own arguments on QB importance every time he mentions King at the helm of an NFC Championship game.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:30 pm
Sure as hell wasn’t Eric Zeier.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:31 pm
Joe Says:
April 1st, 2014 at 7:30 pm
Joe undermines his own arguments on QB importance every time he mentions King at the helm of an NFC Championship game.
Sure as hell wasn’t Eric Zeier.
Uh . . . .yeah
Good point?
April 1st, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Bucs are going, QB, OL,DE, then WR…then CB. Its just the way it is. With any other pick it will be TE or OLB. None the less…can’t wait for the draft. Lets go Bucs.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:47 pm
I agree joe. Let’s fix the worse offense in the league with that 7th pick.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:52 pm
Besides, Barr would also play outside linebacker, where he would play roughly 40 percent of the time because the Bucs will otherwise be in nickel coverage. Hard to justify drafting a guy at No. 7 to play less than half the defensive snaps.
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Uh, Joe… I constantly brought this point forward before and only after some talking head FINALLY mentioned, you seemed to understand that a LB like Mack or Barr would play the Von Miller role. Sam LB on running downs, and nickel DE on passing downs..that equals out to a full-time player.
April 1st, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Our 3rd down rushers could come down to Barr, Goldston, Mccoy and Johnson. not a bad front four for 3rd down. Also, having Foster and Lavonte as the 3rd down LBs would be nearly unstoppable. I do hope we don’t waste our 7th overall on a garbage QB like Manziel, there are good option on later rounds. I do in fact, like the boy from GA Murray, hopefully we can have a shot to draft him.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:04 pm
@ St. Aug Buc
Heading down your way tomorrow….Crescent Beach….
April 1st, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Jealous Bucs fans? Was this written by a 12 year old?
Defense baby, not Shaun King.
That’s like saying 2-time Super Bowl champion Charlie Batch.
Regular visits reducing greatly…
Don’t let your mouse hit you in the ass. –Joe
April 1st, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Weather is beautiful here! Stop by South Beach Grill. Food not great but drinks and view will suffice.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:07 pm
Barr is way to soft and would be a terrible pick and monumental reach. Barr won’t go in first 15 picks he is not in same sentence as Mack and Clowney. With the 7th pick Bucs select Bridgewater or Watkins.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:17 pm
i wish king would shut up! he sucks!
April 1st, 2014 at 8:23 pm
@Joe
STOP with the 40 percent snaps??? you don’t think that once they go to nickel package that mach/barr would become DE’s?
April 1st, 2014 at 8:25 pm
So McDonald is all of the sudden not a 3 technique DT anymore? I’m confused why would you guys want 3 of the same *kind* of player(GMC McDonald Donald) when 2 at most will be on the field for passing downs? So you either want to bench our 1st Rd pick or the guy we just paid a decent amount to rest on the bench? That doesn’t represent value nor smart drafting IMO… QB WR and OG are the biggest NEEDS and all are pretty deep so we can get them when the represent value.
Value doesn’t necessarily mean waiting till later rounds to draft that player either.. Just for example… LVD was a VALUE pick in the 2nd Round… GMC was a VALUE pick in the 1st round… Manziel Bortles Bridgewater Watkins and Evans would be a VALUE pick in the 1st round(Getting a 5th year on a cheap salary is such a plus)…
I know picking QB is contradicting myself because we have McCown for 2 years(although he is 34 or 35 and never had a great year beside the 9 or so games he played in last year).. But if you believe like I do that we won’t be drafting anywhere near the top 10 anytime soon then this is our LAST chance to draft a Top QB prospect(Without REALLY giving up the farm) and I for one know the Brady’s Brees Wilsons(only a 3rd round pick because of height) Romo’s and Kap’s of the world are more an outlier than the countless 1st round QB’s starting in the NFL and succeeding(Manning, Manning, Luck, RGIII, Rivers, Newton, Ryan, Stafford, Cutler, Flacco, and Big Ben off the top of my head). Ya you will get some duds( Ponder, Gabbert Locker, Weeden) but you will get duds at every position(Peria Jerry, Jarvis Moss, Larry English, Vernon Gholston, Aaron Maybin, Levi Brown, Gabe Carimi, Jason Smith and countless others) and I’d rather keep trying to get a franchise QB(MOST important position in football) then getting sub par prospects(Glennon Josh Johnson Gradkowski) and hope we can coach them up or using someone else’s trash
April 1st, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Trade up for Johnny…why…when you can get him in the second or third round? Just kidding Joe.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:29 pm
Lovie/Licht have created a team they think can win right now, solely through free agency. I really think they’ll draft based on best player available, not at all on need.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:31 pm
And for the people who keep saying well nickel situations… Umm okay lets stunt the growth of Gholston Clayborn Bowers McDonald or the 1st round rookie because we ALL know MJ and GMC aren’t coming off the field.. So we would effectively be benching 3 of those 5 players most of the game.. GMC comes out for maybe 10 plays all game along with our newly high priced DE…
Not sure I can say Bowers and growth but damn we still don’t know what we have in him because of the previous HC decided to play a camp body over him.. Idc if he was out of shape its called 3rd down pass rush
April 1st, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Number 10 is the least insightful analyst I have ever seen.
Best player available will be taken. Who ever is available on this list is it.
1. Manziel
2. Mack
3. Watkins
4. Bortles
April 1st, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Smith’s DNA is Defense. Odds are they’ll move down to pick up picks.
April 1st, 2014 at 8:43 pm
I’m thinking we trade down to the 18th pick or something and get kelvin Benjamin and in the 2nd or 3rd round we get garappolo
April 1st, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Bad quarterback play is the reason our Bucs didn’t appear in 2 more Super Bowls.
April 1st, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Shaun King, one of two quarterbacks to lose in the NFC Championship when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points…
April 1st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
I think that in this draft we could even afford to trade out of the first round entirely and get a wagon-load of picks by continuing to trade down – limited only by the availability of trade partners, of course.
April 1st, 2014 at 10:19 pm
It seems to me that L&L have spent the majority of FA $ on D. Is that a sign the the top picks will go to offense? Like on a QB?
April 1st, 2014 at 10:35 pm
Even if we went with this I would be fine. I’m not confident in the pass rusher at the opposite de spot of Johnson and McCoy. It don’t hurt to add more. I wish we go after Will Smith (ex Saints) for a temporary guy until we are truly set at that position.
April 1st, 2014 at 10:55 pm
It’s not crazy, Joe. He could play every down. He could be the starting SLB and shift up to LDE in passing situations. This could make him a real wildcard in the defense. Better idea than trading up for Johnny Fruitball.
April 1st, 2014 at 10:59 pm
I think we’ll be happy with whoever “falls” to us at #7, as long as it’s not a safety. All of the top guys being mocked to us are good. We have some upgrading to do on offense, but a top pass rushing specialist would have me feeling great about our defense.
April 1st, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Say, Shaun King was the 4th best QB in the division wasn’t he? And he led them to an NFC Championship? I mean he put up a few better numbers than Chandler that one year but Glennon had some better numbers than Ryan this year too.
Just givin you a hard time Joe.
April 1st, 2014 at 11:14 pm
“Sadly, too many jealous Bucs fans”
lol Where did that come from? There are Buc fans that are jealous of Shaun King? Hilarious stuff Joe!
Keep’em coming…
April 1st, 2014 at 11:19 pm
Copy cat league will go defensive heavy draft. There could be 2 QBs drafted in the first round. We draft Johnny, we’ll be drafting Hackinburg in 2 years.
April 1st, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Mack is good but Barr has much more upside. I wouldn’t be mad with Either at 7
April 2nd, 2014 at 12:17 am
@ Joe,
This to me sums up everything about Shaun King….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C89uOeDL9Gw
April 2nd, 2014 at 12:21 am
“I think that in this draft we could even afford to trade out of the first round entirely and get a wagon-load of picks by continuing to trade down – limited only by the availability of trade partners, of course.”
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excellent! let’s keep trading back until we have 18 7th round picks! this is a deep draft… at least everyone and their cat says so.
April 2nd, 2014 at 12:46 am
Barr over Mack??? Can’t fix stupid… Thanks fat boy
April 2nd, 2014 at 1:47 am
Bucs fans? Jealous of Shaun King? Please. He’s a scrub always was, always will be. Don’t give me “lead the team” to the NFCG, isn’t that the exact same game where only SIX points were scored? Hellen Keller could’ve quarterbacked the ’99 team to the NFCG how good that defense was.
Also proposing trading up to #2 and taking Manziel over Clowney AND Bridgewater is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. We have 5 draft picks, lets go ahead and trade away a lot of our picks on a team in rebuild mode for a gamble who will probably fall to #7 anyways.
April 2nd, 2014 at 6:42 am
Shawn king couldn’t make the cardinals practice squad when he left here.
Certainly there has to be someone better qualified to reference here.
April 2nd, 2014 at 6:42 am
Drafting Johnny = Winston or Hackinburg in 2 years.
April 2nd, 2014 at 7:18 am
Shaun King lead the Buccaneers to victory 38-35 in 2000 on Monday night which was one of the greatest games in Buccaneer history. I still have tape of that game and try to watch it at least once a year. Amazing how much weight he has put on.
April 2nd, 2014 at 7:53 am
The Bucs need to draft a QB at #7. The Bucs need to draft “Johnny Football” at #7. It’s a QB driven league! The NFC South is a QB driven! Blah! Blah! Blah!
Yes, the QB is an important part, perhaps the most import “individual” of any football “team.” But football IS the ultimate team sport and there are 21 other starters out there.
Sure the elite quarterbacks – Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers – can make up for lots of shortcomings, but QBs at that level are few and far between.
It seems Lovie Smith is trying to build a great TEAM around what he feels is a slightly better than average quarterback, albeit a low mileage aging one, in Josh McKown.
I think Lovie’s on the right track. At the end of the day, if one team blocks and tackles better than the other team (Vince Lombardi), controls both sides of the line of scrimmage (don’t know the first guy to say that was), gives up 17 or less points per game (Warren Sapp and the Bucs of the glory years), and has a positive turnover ratio that team tends to win, regardless of who the quarterback is or isn’t.
April 2nd, 2014 at 8:52 am
Thank you Joe. I’ve been shouting this for WEEKS on here. It just isn’t going to happen. Licht has proven he isn’t that dumb. It’s trade, WR, CB, DT or MAYBE shocker pick Ryan Shazier.
April 2nd, 2014 at 9:00 am
Patrick Says:
“Bad quarterback play is the reason our Bucs didn’t appear in 2 more Super Bowls.”
Also a stubborn coach.
To those who don’t believe the Bucs will draft a D-lineman because ‘we have enough’, let Coach Lovie Smith set you straight.
“You can never have too many defensive ends,’’ Smith said. “The moment you say you’re all set with defensive ends, bam, you’ll say, ‘Can you believe this other team just signed another one?
So, we’re always going to be looking for defensive linemen. That is the engine of our defense and what we do.”
April 2nd, 2014 at 11:08 am
Barr would be a reach. Mack would be the pick if it’s between the two. I agree with the article that pass rusher isn’t the biggest need anymore. However, Lovie’s system requires a big time pass rush to work, so another pass rusher isn’t out of the question.