Emmanuel Sanders And The Bucs
March 12th, 2014
Now Joe is really starting to get excited. No, not as excited as opening his front door and seeing leggy Rachel Watson wearing Daisy Dukes with a revealing, low-cut number carrying a cooler full of cold beer. But excited nonetheless.
It seems Steelers wide receiver and roadrunner Emmanuel Sanders is visiting the Bucs. That’s the word Joe got from NFL insider Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports.
@JasonLaCanfora: WR Emmanuel Sanders set to visit the Bucs following his visit with the Jags, today.
Joe is pumped. You talk about a guy that not just can stretch the field but is also a lethal return man, wow.
Bucs offensive coordiator Jeff Tedford has talked about “speed in space.” Sanders is that very speed Tedford discusses.
Not letting Sanders out the door would go a long way to soothe Joe’s nerves about losing all-world cornerback Darrelle Revis.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
I’m so excited I think I’m going to cry soon. lol
March 12th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
Joe about how much cap space do they even have left? You think they can afford this one along with the offense of lineman they are looking at?
March 12th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
Offensive* lineman
March 12th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Mike Williams, if I were you I wouldn’t get too comfortable in that new house.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:04 pm
Come on Lovie do your sales pitch!
March 12th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Have to be honest guys. Joe gets this question a lot and it is something Joe ignores because there is no direct correlation between how much is spent and games won.
Long way of saying Joe doesn’t know and it isn’t something in the forefront of Joe’s mind, sorry.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
The Bucs would be ill advised to let him leave the building without a contract. This team has lacked any real speed since Galloway was cut. (Demps doesn’t count)
March 12th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
That’s a helluva good point. Sanders is as close to a Mike Williams clone as there is, only speedier and can return kicks.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
I like your thinking. Just get the players and hope for the best and let them worry about the finances
March 12th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
now that Revis is gone we have plenty cap space… not to mention Penn might be cut soon
March 12th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Sanders and Mike Williams are completely different players. Sanders is an excellent punt returner, shifty in space and runs great deep routes. Whereas Mike Williams is more of a poor-mans Keyshawn Johnson type possession WR. I’ve been a huge fan of Sanders since he burst onto the scene as a freshman at SMU, this move would be a dream come true for me.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
So your saying Sanders is near the top on the list of WR’s who can go up and come down with the ball at it’s highest point?
Cause few do it better than MW
March 12th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Consider him signed. Lovie doesn’t let free agents leave without signing.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Joe thank you for answering or giving a reply for ” how much cap room left” go google or find out to other sources!!! You won’t find an answer to gorge teams as it is way to early!!!
OT Emanuel sanders will be a great addition !! He is a return threat and a Mike Williams clone. About one of the best WR I liked aside from Antonio Brown.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
Manny is a good 2-3″ shorter than MW and probably 30-40 lbs lighter.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:17 pm
I’m not impressed by him. Sorry. Joe, you mention a return game. This guy has NO punt or kick return TDs. And yes it matters.
He also has not had a thousand yards recieving. Considering his speed would “stretch the field” you would think he would have a lot of yards, as they would come in chunks.
He would not replace Williams. Maybe play the slot though.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
“Have to be honest guys. Joe gets this question a lot and it is something Joe ignores because there is no direct correlation between how much is spent and games won.
Long way of saying Joe doesn’t know and it isn’t something in the forefront of Joe’s mind, sorry.”
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Salary cap is insignificant. But when a guy who is handy with Excel spreadsheets is hired at One Buc who happens to like Johnny Midget, well, that’s newsworthy.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
Bonzai…I see him in the slot and that’s what they need. Fine by me.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
You aren’t impressed by many 😉 lol
March 12th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
Boots and pants and boots and pants and boots and pants and boots and pants. Oh sorry I’m still excited.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
I think the Bucs should also pursue Peppers! Imagine Johnson, McDonald, McCoy, and Peppers! Man oh Man!
March 12th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
Wait a minute… I thought we already had Bert Emanuel on this team… like 20 years ago. 🙂
March 12th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
Easy You go Joe, it was just a simple question.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
Receiving Core
1. jackson
2. Williams
3. Sanders
4. Ginn Jr.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:28 pm
Sanders…Jackson…Watkins…
March 12th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
He’s a good speedy slot receiver that is good in space but he is no where near the WR Mike Williams is.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
There IS a correlation between the salary cap and the number of good players you can acquire… which is correlated to winning. Think Joe needs to spend a little more time thinking about the salary cap and less time splooging in his pants over Johnny Doucheball or crying about Revis.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
I wouldn’t worry about cap space. I don’t think they’re gonna stick with Mike Williams and Dashon Goldstons fat contracts. And with some other names on the hot seat as well. They will make sure we have the money down the road to pay McCoy and David….at least they’d better.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
If the Bucs sign Sanders I will say that Williams is guarantee to be a goner!
March 12th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
So you guys think Williams has 100% job security? Really? We just cut Davin Joseph and Darrelle Revis!!! This is a new regime with no ties to him. He’s been arrested, criticized publicly by this regime, and Licht even admitted today he hasn’t even spoke with Williams. That doesn’t exactly sound like a guy that is in the forefront of their plans to me.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
Ep bucsfan they have roughly 16.5 million now that they let revis go so they should have plenty to make a couple moves
March 12th, 2014 at 7:48 pm
I’m all for Sanders becoming a Buc, but if they ever released Williams, I will be f&$kin pissed
March 12th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
He better run a 1.2 sec, 40 because with this O line, that is all the time he will have,
No right guard,
No left guard,
Donald Penn at left tackle with no chip help
a center playing out of place.
It will be like the Comment Archie Moore made when they asked him about the speed of Sugar Ray.
“Your can run, but you can’t hide”
March 12th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
My comments on the O line.
When I was young and playing golf, a buddy scratch golfer looking at my ball distance said, “if you get better balls you would be out there farther and it would improve your score” I wen’t from 2nds to new Titlists. The next time we played, he said we’ll that didn’t help, its probably the old clubs. I bought new clubs and his comments the next time we played, were, I was wrong about the ball and clubs, you just suck.
So much for the O line.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Williams should be gone….he is being paid WAY more than he is worth. Too bad receivers are not in high demand at the moment. We can’t trade him or Goldston for that matter. They’re contracts are too much. They may keep him for one more year but if he doesn’t get 1000 yards and 7tds he’s not worth his contract. I was pissed when I heard Revis was being released but now I’m not so worried. It really was the right move and I just couldn’t see it. It does suck to lose the first rounder but that was MD’s fault not Lovies.
March 12th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Agreed Joe but losing Revis still makes me want to kill puppies! its gonna take some time!
March 12th, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Joe, you are a machine pumping out these updates. Hats off!
March 12th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
Sanders was #1 on my list for our open WR slot. I would love it if we get him.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
PRBucFan Says:
March 12th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
You aren’t impressed by many lol”
Consistent results impress me bunches. I just don’t usually see them.
I like Jackson, David, Baron, Williams (btw, his contract is not that bad this year), Zuttah (at center, sucks at guard), Martin, James, Banks, etc.
The two playets I think might be good with more development are Spence and…Glennon.
I just think both those players need a backup plan. We got that for Spence. Not yet for Glennon. McCown is barely better than dirt. EVERYONE elsewhere considers him a bad 3rd stringer.
I think McCown was going to retire but he managed a few good games for the first time in his life and realized he could make a payday off them. Which he did (biggest payday HE ever got anyway).
We have to draft or sign another young, promising QB.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
Everyone they have released has no cap penalty Williams and Gholdson would have a cap hit.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Kevin Says
“Williams should be gone….he is being paid WAY more than he is worth. ”
Oh, really?
Then how about you tell us how much he makes?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
McCown has no arm strength, so what’s the point?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
@Goodolebucfan,
The cap hit for Williams is very manageable. Not sure about Goldson. Bottom line, Williams is a huge risk of doing something stupid anyway. If we can replace him, time to move on.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Hawaiian Buc
Williams salary this year is onlly $1.2 million. However, if he were cut, the Bucs would be hit for $6.4 million because his 2015 salary would be accelerated.
Still think it is worth cutting him this year?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
“Williams is a huge risk of doing something stupid anyway…”
How do you figure that?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Yeah, let’s get rid of Williams. Let’s get rid of everybody. Can there ever be anyone that stays here longer than 3 or 4 years?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Btw, Kevin, if they cut Goldson, it would cause a $9 mill cap hit this year and $3 mill next year.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
Yes we need o line help bad . Do we have any guards ?
March 12th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Joe, really, being aware of salaries helps figure out who will be replaced and what positions will be addressed.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Just wish we had a better outside threat across from Jackson. Don’t mind Goldston, just all the penalty yards that come along with him. Hopefully that was just a Schiano/reff’s thing.
March 12th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
We’re not cutting Mike Williams. Nothing to gain from that.
March 12th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
““Williams is a huge risk of doing something stupid anyway…””
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Have you not paid attention to what’s happened this offseason? Again I ask, do you not think it’s telling that he hasn’t even spoke with the new GM yet? You don’t think that if he was heavy in their plans they would be speaking, especially with him coming off an injury?
March 12th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Wondering out loud if they do sign Sanders and Lovie/Licht don’t like what they see unfolding with Mike Williams if that opens up the possibility of (gasp!) trading Williams for a 4th rounder (make up for the one we gave up to the Jets) and using that cap money freed up to keep shopping (and draft a WR this year)? I think pre-rap star wannabe Mike would have been worth at least a 3rd maybe 2nd round pick, but under the circumstances a 4th might be the most Tampa could get?
March 12th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
“Williams salary this year is onlly $1.2 million. However, if he were cut, the Bucs would be hit for $6.4 million because his 2015 salary would be accelerated.”
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That’s not the way I have read. According to Pewter Report, Dominik structured his contract so that he could be cut after this year and only take a $1.2M hit. Perhaps they are wrong, but I’ve yet to see any source that backs up what you are saying. Here’s the link to the PR story: http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9562:Williams'%20Dedication%20To%20Football%20Questioned%20By%20Former%20Regime.
If it only costs us a little over a million against the cap, then yes I do think he is able to be cut this year. If you are right and it is $6.2M, that’s a different story. All I know is that he is not tied to this regime, and they have made it VERY clear they are not having any more of his shenanigans.
March 12th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Hawaiian Buc, it is cheaper to bench him if it comes to that. Or, if he doess something that frees the Bucs from paying him.
Again. I ask what has he done that is so bad?
It’s not like he is Talib. Or Jeremy Stevens. Or Tanard Jackson.
I think you are jumping the gun and letting your opinion blind you from the wisest course. If he does something bad, the Bucs get out of paying him. $6.4 mill is a mighty big cap hit with all of it dead money…especially when his 2014 salary is only $1.2 mill.
March 12th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Joe Says:
March 12th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
Mike Williams, if I were you I wouldn’t get too comfortable in that new house.
That’s a helluva good point. Sanders is as close to a Mike Williams clone as there is, only speedier and can return kicks.
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I don’t get it, Joe. I see no similarities at all. Williams is a big (6’2 210 lb) WR that excels at jump balls and struggles to separate, Sanders is much smaller(5’11 185 lbs), way speedier, will not win many jump balls ever, and doesn’t struggle to separate, he struggles to beat physical coverage and press.
BTW, do your homework on Mike Williams, check overthecap.com… if we cut Mike Williams his new contract will escalate and we will actually lose a ton of cap space (we actually save cap space by keeping him). Mike Williams isn’t going anywhere… another great move by the bumbling boobs, Schiano and Dominik.
March 12th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
Pewter report is mistaken as usual.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/mike-williams/
Click on the bucs logo to see the whole team. Don’t tell anyone I gave you this link 😉
March 12th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
The link doesn’t work, but I guess I believe you. If it is $6.4, then obviously you have to shop him hard versus getting rid of him. I would guess some team would take a chance on him (ahem, Oakland). I just have a really bad feeling he won’t make it to week 1. It definitely hurts us on the field because he’s a pretty good player, but in the long run it may be in our best interest.
March 12th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
Ok it works now. I assume the “DEAD” column is what you are referring to?
March 12th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
Mike Williams is a good WR! Cap hit on him and goldson makes cutting either a moot point. Sanders is a slot guy. I like him a lot BUT no way he beats out Mike W. Huge size difference, consider the blocking. Sanders speed is a threat, but he’s not really a deep threat like Ted ginn jr. I’d take either though!
March 12th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
I say sign Sanders only if the Bucs can trade Mike Williams. If they can’t get a trade hold on to him for another year and draft a WR since this years draft is deep a WR. It looks like Nicks, Williams, and Goldson will remain on the team until at least 2015.
March 12th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
For everybody that is asking about cap space, the novice can’t determine what it is at any given moment during this time of fluidity when so many players are being signed or released simultaneously.
The Bucs know what it is because they know how the offers are being made and how each contract is being constructed and they all may be different. If you are attempting to keep a running total as I’ve seen some do by adding the total annual contract amount awarded to each player signed and subtracting that total from a published cap number, you aren’t even close.
Because contracts may have signing bonuses or roster bonuses and other devices, unless you know how the Bucs have decided to book them it is impossible to determine if is goes against the cap this year or has been spread out over the life of the contract. There are multiple way to play tricks with the cap. It’s called creating cap space out of thin air!
Get the picture? My advice, just sit back and enjoy the ride until you hear the brakes screech. There is a wall. They will let you know when they have hit it! lol
March 12th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
what if they pick up this guy, Sammy Watkins in rd 1 and get either Carr or Garoppolo in Rd 2? The Rookie could learn and Josh gets new toys to play with…
March 12th, 2014 at 11:12 pm
Seen too many teams who win free agency watch the playoffs on the couch just like you and Joe. Thus, spending does not equate to wins. It just doesn’t.
Now Johnny Football? He equates to wins. 🙂
March 12th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Joe is starting to think the Bucs will go for a tackle before a wide receiver at No. 7. The draft is so deep for wide receiver, now that they have a third round pick, they could get, say, Allen Robinson.
Licht told Joe at the combine he believed this year, a receiver in the third round can be expected to start the draft is so deep at receiver.
March 13th, 2014 at 9:43 am
Hawaiian Buc. it works fine for me. Are you on a mobile device? On my tablet it asked if I want mobile or desktop version of the site. On my laptop it came up fine just now.
Joe says
“Seen too many teams who win free agency watch the playoffs on the couch just like you and Joe. Thus, spending does not equate to wins. It just doesn’t.”
I agree with you on that point, Joe. But I was speaking of using the salaries to predict movements of teams…or high probabilities of movement. For example, this year, the next player on the list to be cut would probably be Penn because he saves the most cap money.
So if they sign a replacement (which they made an effort to do) they will likely cut him. OR if they cut him to save salary cap, they will likely draft a guy or sort through later FA cuts.
“Thus, spending does not equate to wins.”
The one thing I disagree with. On the surface you are right. In many cases it is does not. But technically every team spends every year so really spending does equate to wins.
Its the ones that spend wisely that success and get the best results.
For example, spending on guys like Keyshawn brought the Bucs a Superbowl because they were the last pieces.
However, the eagles spending a few years ago equated to nothing. So you are right in that case.
March 13th, 2014 at 10:03 am
I see that Sanders has left J-ville without a contract:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-steelers-free-agency/2014/3/13/5504090/nfl-free-agency-2014-rumors-contract-emmanuel-sanders-jacksonville-tampa-bay
Chances may be good to sign him….
March 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
I would absolutely love this move. Forget about Ginn Jr. and sign this kid. He is a burner who would “finally” give us a true slot WR. VJ on 1 side, either Sammy Watkins or even Mike Evans on the other, and Sanders in the slot. McCown or Glennon would be loving all of that. As would everyone else associated with the Bucs! Make it happen Lovie…
March 14th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
Macabee Says:
“Because contracts may have signing bonuses or roster bonuses and other devices, unless you know how the Bucs have decided to book them it is impossible to determine if is goes against the cap this year or has been spread out over the life of the contract.”
Not true. I am on my tablet right now instead of my laptop, but I posted the dead money created by cutting most of the players individually just last night. The information is readily available at http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/
It will ask you if you want to see the desktop or mobile version. Choose the desktop one.