Four-Team Race If…
March 6th, 2014
Joe knows that quarterback is a divisive position on the Bucs. Whether it was leaky Rip Van Freeman or Mike Glennon, nothing short of uniforms gets Bucs fans worked up more than talking about quarterbacks.
Of course, there is the Mike Glennon Mob who believes the youngster is the second-coming of Brad Johnson, though Joe cannot remember when Johnson led the 32nd-ranked offense.
Joe has been pretty straight-forward: It is a helluva lot of swimming upstream to make the playoffs when you have the No. 4 quarterback in a four-team division. Even legendary personnel man Gil Brandt agrees with Joe.
Could Glennon be that guy? Sure. That doesn’t mean Joe believes Glennon should be knighted with the starting quarterback gig, not after leading the worst offense in the NFL. Shouldn’t a halfway decent quarterback be able to raise the level of his teammates just a little bit? You know, like maybe an offense ranked No. 31? Joe doesn’t think that is such an unreasonable standard.
It seems the NFL crowd at the four-letter agrees that unless something happens at quarterback, whether Glennon raises his game or the Bucs find a better solution, the NFC South is a three-team race.
The uncertainty is in Tampa Bay, where the Bucs are looking at Mike Glennon, who did some nice things as a rookie but still lags behind Brees, Ryan and Newton. The Bucs have the nucleus of a good defense, but they need some stability at quarterback to make their offense click. If they can get that — they have made noise about drafting a quarterback or signing a veteran free agent — they might be able to make the NFC South a four-team race.
Look, Glennon has all the intangibles you could want at quarterback: works his rear end off, is singularly focused, team-first kind of guy, all-around good dude. But at the end of the day, the NFL is a results-oriented business, not Pop Warner football where guys get to start because of their heart.
And frankly, no, the No. 32-ranked offense in the NFL is not considered by any coaching staff or ownership group as the desired results. Unless you are shooting for the first pick in the draft.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
Well this one gets raked across the coals enough.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
Look, Glennon will probably be the starter this year. That is fine with me. Brad Johnson did not have near the upside or potential that Glennon has already shown. Johnson benefitted off the great defense and the knowledge Gruden had of the Raiders. That’s why the Bucs won the Super Bowl.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
Joe Says ” there is the Mike Glennon Mob who believes the youngster is the second-coming of Brad Johnson…”
This is most likely because Brad Johnson didn’t become a starter till his 7th year in the league. So, by the Brad Johnson scale, Glennon is light years ahead.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Joe’s down on Glennon because he’s jealous of Glennon’s ability to pull in college!
March 6th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
Glennon has shown more upside and potential than Brad Johnson ever did. Johnson was mediocre at best. The Bucs won their Super Bowl because of their superior defense and Gruden’s knowledge of the Raiders.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Yeah, I posted it twice but it never went up.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
I totally agree with you joe. But aren’t we beating a dead horse?
March 6th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
Wait, Joe….Freeman led a top 10 offense in 2012, so I guess by your logic Schiano railroaded a top 10 NFL QB out of town!! I love Joe’s intellectual dishonesty, he’ll say anything to support his views.
Hey Guys, we need to draft Johnny Football just like Joe said we NEEDED to grab the Baron of Berlin, Bjoern Werner, last year!!! Remember the endless articles about the ol Baron?! Yeah, that total STUD racked up 2.5 sacks last year!!! Joe’s a hard worker and a true Bucs fan, but let’s be honest, this guy shouldn’t be making any personnel decisions, fantasy or real, anytime soon.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Glennon is 4th best in this Division
Yes
but that is kind of Skewed or Biased
The three other QBs in our Division are in the Top Ten of the WHOLE NFL!!!
There is more than one player on the team and
There were a lot more issues than Just Glennon making this Offense Ranked #32
The Coaching has a lot of the blame,
Didn’t we just clean house of them all?
in most any other Division in the NFL
Glennon would not be at the bottom/#4
March 6th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
I’m not down on Glennon (not up either), but if there is a QB sitting at #7 and we pass (excluding Johnny) I’ll be down on Lovie.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
let it go already.even joe stated that the MGMob has gone national.maybe the real question is what is joe blind to that most everyone else sees? no one wants to anoint him , just see that he gets a FAIR chance. FYI , if he beats out a guy picked at #7 that would be a huge waste of a top draft choice.imo
March 6th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
MGM please tell me what Mike Glennon is good at. Cause I’ve yet to see anything in his play that makes me take note.
Not saying that to be divisive, I just really don’t see anything in his play that I’d want to see more of. Is the MGM basically just a personality thing?
Despite thinking Freeman was a loser, I still could see moments that would make me say wow. But I’ve yet to do that with Glennon, after 13 games. Please point me at what to look at.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
I’ll wait until after the draft to see what happens. If the bucs don’t grab one of the 10 qbs projected to be better than glennon, then I will flip my lid on the subject. But right now the talk and speculation is just filler. The bucs FO knows glennon is not the guy it’s just a matter of figuring out which rookie or FAA will fill in until we do find him. Clearly glennon isnt the answer. Yes, after 1 season I can without a shadow of doubt write off glennon, the guy just doesn’t have football instincts.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
And you don’t think bad coaching had anything to do with Glennon’s development. The reason I think he can do it (no I wouldn’t give it to him) is that he had a predictable offense, bad coaching, no weapons accept VJ, and no protection from the O-line. Yes he missed some opportunities and some open receivers but you expect those mistakes from a rookie. The Bucs traded Steve Young away cause they didnt think he was going to amount to anything (that was a bad call). Glennon showed he can win, he showed he can play well against the best defense (Seahawks) in the league (better than Manning did), and great poise even though he was playing with scabs and band-aids for an offense. He deserves a legitimate shot at being our QB.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Yet he played in a Pro Bowl the year the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Coincidence?
March 6th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Since divisional play is so important, might I add that the amazing Bucs offense of the 2012-2013 season ranked 9th in scoring, yet last in our division.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
I’ll try one more time, third rewrite because it must of been what I said. Glennon is a better QB than Brad Johnson ever was. The Bucs won their Super Bowl because of their excellent defense and Gruden’s knowledge of the Raiders, it potentially deserved a small asterisk in the record books.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
@ Joe
I don’t get the instance on repeating the “4th best quaterback in the division” argument, name one player the Bucs could realistically bring in, that would be better than 4th best in the Division for 2014 and 2015. The statement is accurate, but if that’s you’re primary justification for moving on from Glennon, then there’s no one out there that will fit your criteria.
As far as 32nd rank offense, Glennon gets some blame for that of course, however how many times did you blast the previous regime in regards to how they schemed with GMC and company with repeated stunts? Isn’t it possible that scheme again came into play as to why the Bucs finished so poorly on offense?
I’m not a Glennon guy; I probably have a similar view to him as you do, maybe a little more optimistic; however I can’t imagine how having 3 or 4 articles like this a week is something your readers want to read, on either side of the Glennon argument. It almost feels as though you put these out just to get half the readers to scream “Yeah he’s no good” and the other half to scream “he deserves another chance”.
Every other article you post, a look forward to reading, just not the ones commenting on Glennon, frankly because the opinion is stale.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Why is it that you will give the rest of the team a pass because of bad coaching, accept Glennon! A bad system with bad coaching can make even the best QBs look like crap.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Johnson also passed for 4000 yards before he came to the bucs, when that meant something.
Don’t get why bucs fans don’t appreciate the guy. Bucs fans have some sort of weird disorder where success is frowned upon and ineptitude is embraced.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Bucs most likely had 4th best OC, Line, Rec. Corps, RB’s and TE for that matter. Only 1 first round pick they better go for the most sure thing if there is such a thing. I’m partial to O line. Not sexy but…
March 6th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Johnny.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Manning Would be the 4th best QB in our division if he had to play with our offensive line.Example the super bowl.Fix the offensive line first,then bring in competition through free agency.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Joe,
We have the 4th best QB in the NFC South right now, but it is an uprgrade from the NFL’s 35th best passer last year.
14th start coming week one, and I hope you are youngry for some crow.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
“That doesn’t mean Joe believes Glennon should be knighted with the starting quarterback gig, ”
Did you pull that directly out of thin air?
In what galaxy has this even been intimated that he would be given the job? Has any current Bucs coach or staffer ever said such a thing? Even once?
There will be a competition, as there should be.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Mike was thrown into the fire w one offensive weapon. Multiple players down and some not playing at a level which they were paid for(joseph, nicks, goldson). Also a 6th round running back that got injured, so we turned to a guy who was cut from CLEVELAND! Glennon also introduced us to a ufa rookie Tim wright.its unfair to judge him from last season. He also had decent numbers. I know he looks funny and might not tighten your jeans like johnny football but he deserves a clean shot this year with lovie. He’ll look at Alex smith, he got like 6 years of crappy play in Frisco and didn’t get as much ridicule as glennon after one season.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Joe isn’t beating a dead giraffe, he’s merely pointing out what anyone outside of the MGM can see clearly; Mike Glennon is not a starting-caliber qb. And in todays NFL, you can’t hide a bad qb.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
@ Joe
You really think Johnny Manziel would be better than Brees, Ryan or Newton in 2014 and 2015?
You really do have a man-crush on the guy.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Perhaps, but notice the duo who run the football operations of the Bucs aren’t satisfied either. When those two (Lovie and Licht) openly talk about bringing in other quarterbacks, doesn’t that tell you something?
March 6th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
I get the feeling Johnny would be #1 to Joe no matter how well (or poorly) he performed on the field.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Bob Digital:
All Joe is saying is that no team, specifically the Bucs, should be content with a quarterback who could not lead his offense out of the NFL’s basement, rookie or no rookie, injuries or no injuries. If Glennon wins a quarterback competition between, say, Michael Vick and/or Johnny Football or Jimmy Garoppolo, so be it. More power to him.
Yes, Glennon only played 13 games. Short sample size, but if anyone saw a playoff quarterback in that same sample size, Joe wants that same label of vodka as well.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
“Johnny.”
It’s beyond hyperbole to “knight” a college QB with as many questions marks as him, as already better than one of Brees, Ryan, and Newton.
I hope you are laughing as you type this stuff, or something’s truly wrong with you.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Joe, sorry for the repetitive posts, they did’nt come up like they normally do on my screen. Johnson had a good year to make it to the SB and pro bowl, with the offensive players Gruden brought in, mediocre was the wrong word to describe his effort, it was adequate.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Bucfan#37 Says
“Look, Glennon will probably be the starter this year. That is fine with me. Brad Johnson did not have near the upside or potential that Glennon has already shown.”
OMG, you live in a fantasy world. Mike Glennon is NOWHERE CLOSE TO BRAD JOHNSON.
Don’t get me wrong, Johnson was not elite. Not near elite. He only broke the 4,000 yard mark once in his 17 year career.
But for 7 of 9 years he had a 85+ rating. He won a superbowl. He had 6 years with 6 or fewer interceptions.
In a time when 3,000 yards was considered pretty good, he passed it 5 times. And he didn’t start playing until his 3rd year.
What exactly has Mike Glennon done to earn props? What makes him better than Johnson???
He had 9 interceptions and 7 fumbles in 13 games?
He has not earned the starting role. Only a backup can have numbers like that, and a backup that may not make another team.
Now, that said, Brett Favre started off horrible. So Mike can turn things around. But when I see fans giving him props that are not earned, it makes me sick.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
Brooks:
So many question marks he will likely be picked in the upper half of the first round.
This just in: Glennon has started the better part of a year in the NFL and there’s still questions marks.
If the Bucs draft a quarterback in the first round and Glennon beats him out, more power to Glennon!
What exactly is wrong with that?
March 6th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
Manziel has bust written all over him. He makes unnecessary improvising when wrs are wide open. He doesn’t see the field well.
Nfl network last week said it best. People wanna make the Favre comparison. But Johnny lacks vision. Decision making. A lot of te throws say “wow running around and buying time” like that. But he won’t be able to do that. And many times they pointed out read 1 and 2 are open, why is he scrambling around?
This is why JF is dropping. And should be. Jaws is right. Many turn on the tape and the faster edge rushers kept Johnny in the pocket and he couldn’t win from there.
He’s extremely raw and I wouldn’t touch him til round 3.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
admin,
if glennon beats out a qb picked #7 overall ,HUGE waste of that pick,imo
March 6th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
“Johnny.”
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not even close.
March 6th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
I can’t wait till he ends up being nothing special.
Your putting an awful lotta eggs in his basket and it’s going to bite you in the ass when he doesn’t pan out.
March 6th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
“This just in: Glennon has started the better part of a year in the NFL and there’s still questions marks.
If the Bucs draft a quarterback in the first round and Glennon beats him out, more power to Glennon!
What exactly is wrong with that?”
No, see, you have it all wrong. If Glennon gets beat out by whoever (dratee, FA), that’s good. I’m not clamoring for a specific person.
BUT, please go ahead and tell me again how a guy who has never thrown an NFL pass will automatically be better than Brees (HOF), Ryan (3rd pick), or Newton (1st overall).
He may, but, he also may be a bust. So for you to answer this question:
“name one player the Bucs could realistically bring in, that would be better than 4th best in the Division for 2014 and 2015.
Johnny.”
WOULD be better. Not, could be better. That’s utter horsecrap, and you have to know that.
March 6th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
@Oil
Joe has stated before and just last night in fact on the radio show that Glennon had no chance to move forward with Tedford and it was “Insanely stupid” to think otherwsie.
So in his mind, Glennon would have to beat whoever is brought in despite the face Glennon is the returning starter.
March 6th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
fact*
March 6th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Glennon good kid sure good qb not he will show his colors this year and all this talk will be over
March 6th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Aubpierce Said:
“Manning Would be the 4th best QB in our division if he had to play with our offensive line. Example the super bowl”
What is this? Facts? How dare you. 😉
March 6th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
I’ll have you know that Glennon is not the entire offense!
March 6th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
Carolina ranked a mere 26th in offense.
March 6th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
Flacco’s Ravens ranked a mere 29th. You know the defending SB champs. The one with the 6th yr starting QB on their team. That’s pathetic.
The Niners ranked a mere 24th in offense. That’s pathetic.
Eli’s Giants ranked a mere 28th in offense. That’s pathetic.
Joe…I’m not part of the MGM, but these examples you keep using are borderline dumb.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Joe case against Glennon is WEAK. Most judges would throw it out of court.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
Joe, nobody is “knighting” Glennon as the starter, not even the MGM. Even they want us to either bring in a QB that was cut from his backup role on another team or a 4th or 5th round rookie for competition, because it should be pretty obvious that if we brought in a QB with some real potential it would not be a competition at all and that’s not giving Glennon a “fair” chance to start this year. We have to bring in sub-standard players, so he has a “fair” chance to win the job, maybe even have a slight advantage winning the job… or even just be knighted the job through a farce competition. Of course we can’t bring in a good QB, that would be unfair to Glennon. Wins be damned!!!
March 6th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
If the Bucs draft a QB with the 7th pick. That QB will be knighted with no competition at all. He who thinks otherwise, is either fooling themselves or not very bright. I’m not calling anyone out specifically. I’m just saying.
The Glazers will see to it. Tickets need to be sold. The shiny new toy will sell tickets.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
Sorry Joe, the Bucs will have the 4th best QB in the South till Brees retires. Newton had a great year last season and Ryan had his first losing season EVER. I expect the Falcons to rise from the ashes. The “4th best” argument is stale.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
I’m a member of the mob, and speaking on our behalf….not once have we ever said hand him the job. That is the axe joe is grinding and it’s wrong. What we are saying is that our first rd pick is better spent elsewhere. Bring in McCown or Vick, draft JG/ZM/DC…who ever, and let them fight it out. But speaking for the mob, we feel that Glennon can beat the compitition. Over valuing QB’s is how Ponder/Freeman/Gabbert happen. With elite players like Mack/Watkins/Robinson/Matthews available, why ignore that value.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
@Joe – one could say Glennon made Tim Wright and Underwood look better.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
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DO they need improved QB play? Yes, of course. Does that “4th best QB” stuff make any sense? No. It’s a team sport. The ranking of the player doesn’t matter. If Glennon ends up being the guy this year and he improves, he avoids turnovers, hits clutch 3rd down throws, avoids sacks, and leads long drives in crucial situations that ought to be enough if the D is playing well. He’ll still be the worst QB in the NFC South, but they could be a playoff team. I’m a lot more concerned about the O-line than I am about GLennon.
Joe needs to give it a rest.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
I swear he just does this stuff to rile up the mob.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
Mike glennon ain’t a good starter in this league sorry to break it to yall. If Ur liking for average at best quality play out of Ur qb he’s Ur guy. Guys like me and Joe actually like our abs to be able to will our teams to victory every once in a while. Hell how bout scoring more then 3 points in the second half of games. Lets start with that. How many starting qbs is glennon better then in the nfl that you would take glennon over? I’ll start gabbert. Anyone?
March 6th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
knucknbuc…uh oh I think you just opened up a whole new can of worms. Joe there’s your new platform. Never mind just the South, how about the entire NFL.
If you go by stats, QBR’s and all that Glennon ranks a lot higher than many NFL QB’s.
Again, I am not a mob member. I’m neutral.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Fartman Says:
March 6th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
Joe Says ” there is the Mike Glennon Mob who believes the youngster is the second-coming of Brad Johnson…”
This is most likely because Brad Johnson didn’t become a starter till his 7th year in the league. So, by the Brad Johnson scale, Glennon is light years ahead.
++++++++++++++++
And like a young Johnson, Glennon isn’t ready to be a full-time NFL starter and would be best served to kick around the WFL for a few seasons.
I’m sure there were tons of Jacksonville fans that were high on Blaine Gabbert after his Glennonesque rookie season. Ladies and gentleman, neither Blaine Glennon nor Mike Gabbert are cut out to be NFL starters.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Let’s put this to rest once and for all. In 2006, Lovie’s Bears won the division and got to the Super Bowl with a 13-3 team and the closest other team in their division was 8-8.
Rex Grossman was his QB, and had a 73 passer rating that year. The other QB’s in that division that year were Brett Favre, Brad Johnson, and Jon Kitna, all of whom had higher career QB ratings than Grossman’s pathetic 73.
So the idea they can’t win with the 4th best QB is true, UNLESS Lovie is your coach and you have a great defense.
Ab esse ad posse.
March 6th, 2014 at 7:56 pm
I want us to draft a QB in the first round, a pocket passer who can run but even I think this argument is lame lol.
Just not Manchild.
March 6th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
If we are expecting Lovie to deliver on Defense….and all we want is at least someone as good as Brad Johnson…I don’t see why anyone has a problem with Glennon. I see Glennon becoming light years better than Johnson was. I hope it happens. He a completely different QB and person that Josh Freeman. Why not see what he can do. I want the Bucs to win games as bad as anyone. Glennon made all the throws. Count all the yardage, actual and add some for thereafter that would’ve been first downs he would have racked up on his stat sheet from drops by Vjax right in the Mitts with no other receivers and two broken down RB’s and a crippled offensive line. Better play calling, better coaching. If Lovie delivers on D what we are all expecting, I think Glennon and Tedford will do they’re fair share of contributing to wins along with the rest of the new roster.
With that said, it probably won’t happen. New look, new everything…doubt he’ll get his chance in the regular season.
March 6th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Joe – we need awesome defense and a conservative QB. See Giants, Ravens, Bucs, Seahawks, etc. Lets turn back the clock some
March 6th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
Joe,
Yoh responded to Brooks:
“So what is wrong if the Bucs draft a QB in the 1st round and Glennon beats him out?”
With all do respect Steve and/or Lee, I call horse sh!t on that. You don’t burn the number seven overall draft pick for a back up.
We need edge rush/O-Line more than that. It all starts up front, Joe. You got a bigger chubby for Manziel than any other pre-draft crush: Mo Claibourne.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
brad Johnson is waaaaaayyy better than glennon. no comparison. Johnson was accurate, mobile, and led many prolific Vikings’ offenses. glennon craps himself.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
1987: Stats, QBR, and all that, Glennon ranks higher? Let’s see….
per Pro Football Reference for 2013:
QBR: 45.59 (26th out of 37, ahead of Schaub, Manuel, Eli, Geno, Henne and RGIII… not the greatest group as a whole, behind every other starter)
Comp %: 59.4 (this is where everyone thought he was fantastic, but he’s again 26th of 37)
Yards/game: 200.6 (fairest way to do yards, since he only started 13 and others started more or less…. 30th of 37)
QB rating (old stat): 83.9 (tied for 20th)
Adjusted net yards per attempt: 4.98 – 29th (and if you don’t know ANY/A, takes into account pass yards, sack yards, TDs, INTs, # of attempts and sacks… does not take into account QB rushing yards, I believe QBR does though)
Add in some team stats… dead last in 2nd half scoring (5.2/gm), next to last in 3rd down conversions per game (4.3 and just 31.22%) per teamrankings.
So, being in the bottom 1/3 in pretty much every category isn’t exactly “a lot higher than many”, it’s actually lower than most and ahead of only a few and even fewer starters (maybe only 4 that will start this year that he was ahead of out of 32). So, he’s essentially the 27th best starter in the 32 team league, maybe 14th best in the 16 team NFC (if you think he’s really better than Eli and RGIII, which he’s not), and 4th in the 4 teams NFC South. Really impressive, and that doesn’t even take into consideration the “eye test” of actually watching him play. Depending on who’s eye, it may bump him up or down a couple spots, unless they eye test is being applied by blind people in which case he’s a top 10 QB.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
I am going to disagree with two points. One, Brad Johnson didn’t play on a horrible offensive team with a busted line one wide out and no running back. Two, coaches …..COACHES make players better, not the quarterback.
March 6th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
It’s not 4th rank quarterbacks that lose, it’s 4th rank coaches…..
March 6th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
I really don’t understand how anyone can be in glennons corner… Even if glennon was a middle Of the pack qb (which he isn’t) I would still want to have an elite qb. Why are you people settling for a qb who is statistically the worst 4th quarter qb in the league? Boggles my mind. We’ve never had a true franchise qb and yet you are content with a qb with one if the worst 3rd down conversion rates in the nfl. I guess with the lack outs and such people just watch the box scores instead of the games. A blind man could see glennon is not nfl caliber.
March 6th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
SteveK: Happens all the time that teams draft backups that high, not that it is the intent to do so. Last year, two picks ahead of #7 weren’t starters for the majority of the year. Dion Jordan at DE for MIA didn’t start a single game and was drafted 3rd overall, Barkevious Mingo only started 3 of the 15 games he played for CLE at DE and was drafted 6th. In 2011, Aldon Smith was the 7th overall pick and didn’t start a single game for the 49ers, and he’s definitely NOT a bust, and got 14 sacks in a backup role as a rookie to earn the job in 2012.
Again, I’m not condoning drafting a backup at #7, but it is possible a young rookie QB could benefit from a year on the bench, and earn the starting job his 2nd year so it’s not a bad thing to draft a QB #7 and have Glennon beat him out unless that QB can’t eventually surpass Glennon (even then, that may be a very good thing meaning Glennon has exceeded most expectations, not yours though, you already know how good he can be).
Out of the QBs said to be “elite” right now, only the Broncos QB started his 1st year (and didn’t fare well). Saints, Patriots, Packers QBs all sat for a year or more, one was drafted 1st round. Not elite, but Giants and Chargers 1st round, top 5 pick, QBs both sat some, if not all, of their rookie years. Trends change when it comes to sit or start a top rookie QB. Lately it’s been start them. I am not opposed to sitting him.
March 6th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
If the Bucs had their pick of any QB in the draft or in Free Agency this year, they would still have the 4th best QB in the division.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:19 am
BUCS draft jf and they still have the 4th best qb in the division. Hey joe, GET OFF OF JOHNNY FOOTBALL’S NUTS ALREADY!!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 12:22 am
@Buc Neckid Says:
“…but that is kind of Skewed or Biased The three other QBs in our Division are in the Top Ten of the WHOLE NFL!!!”
I would like to know where you are getting this ranking from. I took the time to look it up (maybe you didn’t) and depending on how you rate them, both Ryan and Newton are not in the top 10 – the are in the middle, therefor “average”. That would leave MG8 “below average”
March 7th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Slightly disagree. Though Joe is a big coaches guy, a quarterback is sort of like a coach on the field. No player touches the ball each and every play during a possession like a quarterback.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:54 am
I don’t think Glennon is great by any means, but I don’t get why some on here think that he’s SO HORRIBLE. The guy had a solid rookie campaign and people don’t even want to give him a shot to compete. He played much better than we all expected him to play. Sure, I’d like to see him be more mobile and improve on several other weaknesses, but you know what……he’ll learn with experience! Let him prove himself!
In response to the “32nd in offense” arguing point Joe is making, Glennon isn’t our entire offense. The Giants were ranked 28th in offense last year……is Eli Manning a bad quarterback?
March 7th, 2014 at 12:55 am
BamBam…thanks for finding some names other than Gabbert for us, because I really did not want to look up who he was ranked higher than. So there are still a few that he ranks higher stats wise. Thanks again.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:00 am
@BamBam
Nice job. As always, great post with great info.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:05 am
@Trubucfan22 Says:
“…I really don’t understand how anyone can be in glennons corner… Even if glennon was a middle Of the pack qb (which he isn’t) I would still want to have an elite qb. Why are you people settling for a qb who is statistically the worst 4th quarter qb in the league? Boggles my mind. We’ve never had a true franchise qb…”
Boggles my mind too Tru. Not only being ok with settling, but providing excuses galore for MG8’s poor performance. Crazy
March 7th, 2014 at 1:08 am
All I have to say is Tampaaaaaaaaaa someone give me a bay
March 7th, 2014 at 1:25 am
Having the “4th best QB” in the division isn’t the problem.
The problem is having the “4th best record” in the division.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:30 am
I actually didn’t include Gannett at all, as his 3 starts before getting benched in favor of Henne didn’t qualify him in most categories. Henne was worse than Glennon, but I wouldn’t consider him a starter moving forward. Eli, RGIII, Manuel, and Smith will all probably continue as starters.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:44 am
4th best record in the division is the result. But the cause is more obvious when you look at the symptoms.
3rd pass defense, 2nd rush defense, 2nd rush offense, 4th pass offense in our division. Say what you want about poor o-line & 4th string RBs, we ran better than 2 other teams in our division. Say what you want about the Ds front 7, but we could stop the run and weren’t the worst pass D. The one glaring failure was the pass offense that dragged us to the cellar of the league, much less the division.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:39 am
Two words JOE.. Troy Aikman. Put that in your jonny loving pipe and smoke it.
March 7th, 2014 at 8:41 am
Tru….what elite QB’s are available? We all know the top 3 in the draft are not elite prospects, so you can’t count those, McCown…Elite? Ummm no, Vick…elite…..not there either.
You beg for the team to get an elite QB….why don’t you take the extra step and tell me who you had in mind.
Watkins is an elite talent, so is Mack, and Robinson….and one of them will be available.
March 7th, 2014 at 8:48 am
When it comes to MG8 and comparing him to other NFL QB’s, as far as reading defenses and as being a pure passer (not including running). In my opinion MG8 is better than these QBs:
M.Ryan A.Dalton C.Palmer R.Tannehill J.Flacco E.Manning C.Newton
R.Wilson A.Smith C.Henne RG3 C.Kapernick G.Smith J.Cutler R.Fitzpatrick M.Schaub EJ.Manual M.Vick J.Locker C.Ponder S.Bradford B.Weeden T.Pryor and J.McCown
(And yes, he reads and is a better pure passer then Kap/Newton/RG3/R.Wilson).
March 7th, 2014 at 8:58 am
When it comes to MG8 and comparing him to other NFL QB’s, as far as reading defenses and as being a pure passer (not including running). In my opinion MG8 is better than these QBs:
M.Ryan A.Dalton C.Palmer R.Tannehill J.Flacco E.Manning C.Newton
R.Wilson A.Smith C.Henne RG3 C.Kapernick G.Smith J.Cutler R.Fitzpatrick M.Schaub EJ.Manual M.Vick J.Locker C.Ponder S.Bradford B.Weeden T.Pryor and J.McCown
(And yes, he reads and is a better pure passer then Kap/Newton/RG3/R.Wilson).
March 7th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
lol @ captainstagger
wow, nice skills. being able to know who is “elite” and who isn’t, just by what, their names? that’s some weaksauce right there.
lmao
March 7th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
nice opinion barry. but even your opinion is way wrong.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
Joe, wait, what rank were we in offense last year? I think you might have mentioned it in the article but can’t find it anywhere…