Gil Brandt Loves Johnny Football
February 11th, 2014
When Gil Brandt talks, Joe listens. The former Cowboys vice president of personnel for some 30 years was kind enough to chat with Joe about the Bucs at Super Bowl Media Day.
Brandt is very high on Johnny Football — ranked him the overall No. 1 college prospect — and believes the Bucs braintrust would not be making a mistake at all in grabbing the former Heisman-Trophy-winning quarterback. In fact, Brandt compared Johnny Football to a Hall of Fame quarterback he helped lure to Dallas. Some guy named Roger Staubach.
JoeBucsFan: Read where you are very high on Johnny Manziel. To Joe, some of his highlight tapes look like Roger Staubach when he played for Navy, the way he can make plays and his ability to escape. Manziel is like very few quarterbacks Joe has ever seen.
Gil Brandt: He does look like Staubach. Now Roger would probably kill me for saying this: But [Manziel] can probably make plays that Staubach couldn’t make.
Joe: Really!?
Brandt: Oh, he’s mind-boggling to watch. What he does is — you say, ‘There is no way he can make a better play than that.’ Then he does it. He rolls left and makes plays. He’s down by 28 and brings his team back. He does all of these things. I like him a lot
Joe: A lot of people think he is small and frail and the way he plays he gets beat up. For example, the last couple of games of the season he wasn’t playing so well and then he had a month off to recover and look what he did against Duke when he is healthy. Is that fair criticism?
Brandt: Well, he is 212 pounds and he has a very, very, very good lower body. I think that being a young, he will get stronger and he probably won’t run [in the NFL] as much as he did at A&M.
Joe: Manziel seems to have a reputation as a party boy but it seems that his partying is going on once the season is over. You don’t hear about his partying during the season.
Brandt: Well, I tell you what. He has great work habits and I think a lot of people exaggerate what he does. He is fortunate in that he comes from a family that has means which allows him to do things. I would imagine everybody is kind of envious of all the different things that he does, is what it amounts to. Don’t worry about that. He will play football on Sundays.
Most of Joe’s readers know where Joe stands on Johnny Football. Joe hasn’t seen a guy put his team on his shoulders and carry them like Johnny Football has in a long, long, long time. Probably not since Eli Manning played (when was the last time, before or after, that Ole Miss was worth a crap until Eli Manning came around?).
Wouldn’t it be nice for a change to be unable to sleep the night before a Bucs game because of excitement and not dread?
Wouldn’t it be nice to see a breathtaking offense on the field of the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway for a change? Wouldn’t it be nice to not need a virtual All Pro-offense to hide a quarterback and instead have a quarterback able to lift his offense?
If the Bucs drafted Johnny Football, then this town would erupt like the locals haven’t seen since Chucky hoisted the Vince Lombardi Trophy aloft in sweet, sweet victory.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:20 am
“To Joe, some of his highlight tapes look like Roger Staubach when he played for Navy, the way he can make plays and his ability to escape. Manziel is like very few quarterbacks Joe has ever seen.”
Joe, do you really conduct your interviews in your third person Joe schtick?
February 11th, 2014 at 11:22 am
Manziel impresses a lot of people, no doubt. I can’t make a decision whether he can succeed in the pros, it’s anybody’s guess, I guess. As for the Bucs, much of that pre game dread will be going by the wayside with Lovie and company in control.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:24 am
I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like. The Skins gave up 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS AND A SECOND!!! Now if for some reason he drops and we can make a reasonable trade I would be open to that. I’m not down with bankrupting our team, for the Johnny Football pipe dream.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:29 am
Agreed Spanishbuc. Agreed. I want him. But I’m not a lunatic. Ill flip flop first and give up a second and third next year to move up to 4. That’s it.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:30 am
If he’s there at 7….take him. If not…he just becomes one of a very many players the Bucs could have traded up for….I like staying put at 7 or trading down….not up!!!
February 11th, 2014 at 11:31 am
“Joe, do you really conduct your interviews in your third person Joe schtick?”
I laughed at that too.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:34 am
So tired of your crush on “joni”,… GET OVER IT!
February 11th, 2014 at 11:36 am
Love JOhnny football. Such an entertaining player. isnt that what it is all about. we watch to be entertained.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:36 am
IdahoBucsfan:
Buckle up, cowboy. The draft isn’t until May.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Id say Tarkenton more than Rodger Staubach, but either way it would be awesome to get him.
I do not think the Skins regret getting RG III. Made the pro bowl first year and won the Division. Very bright future for him.
What have the rams done with all those picks? Not much.
GET JOHNNY FOOTBALL!
February 11th, 2014 at 11:48 am
If clowney, manziel, bridgewater, watkins are not there, trade down, draft is deep ..
aaron Donald, Dee Ford, Eric Ebron, CJ MOsley, Mike Evans, the list goes on and on.. If we can get a high 2nd round +15-20 1st round, we should do it..
Don’t trade up higher than #3
Just watched some Ebron highlight and he’s a beast. Hopefully he’ll be there in round #2 but i doubt it
February 11th, 2014 at 11:48 am
“…Manziel impresses a lot of people, no doubt. I can’t make a decision whether he can succeed in the pros, it’s anybody’s guess…”
Funny. Gil Brandt says Manziel is going to be an NFL stud. But if our JBF bloggers question Johnny’s potential, I guess we should stay away from him, huh? lol
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“…I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like…”
Yeah, we should just always play it safe that way we can stay mediocre. Snyder may suck because of the way he runs his team. But, you cannot question the man’s desire to have a winner. One day he will figure it out and be become the George Steinbrener of the NFL.
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I would trade up to the Rams spot in a second to take either Manziel or Brigewater, and GLADLY give up at least one, if not two, 1st rd picks. Its a no-brainer
February 11th, 2014 at 11:52 am
@Joe Says:
“Buckle up, cowboy. The draft isn’t until May.”
LMAO
February 11th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Joe…we get it! You have a serious man crush on Jonny Football…in fact I’ll go far enough to say that it’s an official Bro-mance! But here’s the problem…we pick 7th this year…Manziel will be long gone before 7th! So if you want to be SURE to get him, we would have to make a deal with the Texans at #1. The Texans would most likely want multiple picks this year and next years #1 too. Now if QB was the only position we needed, it might be worth it…but it’s not! We need starters on BOTH lines, we need speed at WR, we need TE help, we need depth at DB and we need a solid OLB opposite LVD! I’m not willing to mortgage 2 years worth of draft picks for a team that already has a good young QB and several more pressing needs!
February 11th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Joe, you forgot to ask the most important question. Please ask Gil if Johnny Football is worth the whole Bucs draft. Is JF better than Glennon? yes. Is he worth trading your whole draft to move up to get him? Thats the question.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Joemanzielfan strikes again
February 11th, 2014 at 11:56 am
So, in May, when he is drafted elsewhere, will the onslaught stop? (or at least be published on johnnyfootballfan.com instead?)
The coverage of one single draft prospect is unprecedented.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:57 am
Jeagan:
Rams.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:58 am
You can’t say the Skin are happy with the RGII trade. yes, he went to the pro bowl, and won the division, BUT he also blew out his knee AGAIN, was one of the worst QB’s in the league last year, and proved that he cannot run an NFL style offense. Now that the NFL has made adjustments on the read option, it has become less effective as an every down offense. The truth is that he has one great season and one horrible one, so the jury is still out on him.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:59 am
Joe and Johnny sittin’ in a tree….
February 11th, 2014 at 11:59 am
Realist:
If you read Brandt’s comments about Glennon yesterday; about Johnny Football today; and about quarterbacks tomorrow, you will be able to piece the puzzle together quite easily.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:59 am
You think the Manziel stories are bad now? … God help us if we draft him Joe…even worse if we have the opportunity and pass on him, and then he goes and becomes a star QB. Joe loves to relish in the woulda coulda shoulda as we’ve all seen with M. Bennett
February 11th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
If he is drafted elsewhere, yes.
If he is drafted by the Bucs, Joe is guessing you will be a miserable soul for the next few years if not longer.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
The only way Tampa get’s Johnny Football, is if we blitz and sack him. He will be long long gone by the time we pick anyway, so why this obsession with him ?
Hell, I like him too, but no way we get him.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Manziel will be a Cleveland Brown. Mark it down Joe.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
That is some major rear-view mirror thinking there.
No one – no one can predict injuries. So to say you would turn back the clock because of an injury, Joe doesn’t know what to say.
Joe would doubt you could find one Redskins follower much less Redskins employee that would have said the trade stunk as the playoffs began last year.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Joe isn’t about to predict anything the Browns do. The Oakland Raiders of the East.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
You know the Bucs are picking at No. 7, how exactly?
February 11th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Yeah, don’t give up our first round picks to get a 10+ years franchise QB, and mortgage our future. Because we have used our 1st picks so well in the past?
2007 – Gaines Adams
2008 – Aquib Talib
2009 – Crazy Freeman
2010 – Gerald McCoy…. We have a winner!
2011 – Adrian Claybourn
Some of you say Teddy/Johnny are not a sure thing. Neither were the above players, obviously. I say PLEASE pull the trigger and trade up. Like Joe said, wouldn’t it be fun to be excited and WANT to watch your Bucs QB play?
February 11th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
@all people who think we should trade up
Can someone please tell me of a time when an NFL team has given up the farm to trade up in the draft and it has worked out with a championship? I just can’t think of a time when it has worked.
No one say RGIII, that jury is still out.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RG III was hardly one of the worst QB’s in the league last year. That’s ridiculous.
Kid has only played two years, one as a first team pro bowler and division champ. Sure he got hurt but guys recover.
One of the most dynamic players in the game. I feel very sure the skins are glad to have him.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
🙂 If the Bucs draft Manziel, the entire state of Bucs fans should get on their knees and rejoice that there is a football god!
Speaking of Michael Bennett… you are a pretty good judge of a near-future Joe story, aren’t you? 🙂
February 11th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
ODB….Well after the Browns trade up (they have a lot more to offer than the Bucs)and nab Manziel. We should all go back and count up all the articles that were written about him over the 3 months.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Twice, off the top of Joe’s head.
The Cowboys traded up to get Randy White and also traded up to get Tony Dorsett (both Hall of Famers).
Some guy named Brandt was a heavy-hitter suit with the Cowboys at the time, Joe recalls.
In fact, didn’t Sam Wyche trade up to get Derrick Brooks? Why, yes he did. How’d that turn out? Joe seems to recall his pick-six clinching a Super Bowl win for the Bucs.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Well Joe, Ill tell you what if he ends up being the new QB under center for the Buccs, and is as good as you hope he is I will forgive you for the non-stop stories and will begin to welcome them with open arms!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Maybe when Archie Manning was leading Rebs, Joe?
February 11th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
@spanishbuc Says:
“@all people who think we should trade up
Can someone please tell me of a time when an NFL team has given up the farm to trade up in the draft and it has worked out with a championship?”
Trading up works all the time. How did we get Doug Martin. Trading up does not put the team in the Super Bowl, thats just silly. The NFL, more than any other pro sport is a team game. It takes talent, leadership, coaching and most important, LUCK to get to any championship game.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RGlll is a drama queen.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I’m just curious why Joe blames the lack of 2nd half points on Glennon when the coach refused to make half time adjustments, and pulled the plug on the no huddle when it was working great.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Harry, Joe and Eric have told us the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over…and over.
Don’t you guys get tired of it all? Repeating the same shyte?
It’s like last summer with the Freeman debate, and even I am getting a little bored with it all.
TBBF…you have been saying and repeating the same thing for a month now.
“If he’s there at 7….take him. If not…he just becomes one of a very many players the Bucs could have traded up for….I like staying put at 7 or trading down….not up!!!”
Well I’m done with this game, maybe some of you like repeating your stance daily, but the Freeman debates were enough for me.
From here on out, I’ll just read Joes Manziel articles SMH and move onto the next article. No need to read Harry, TBBF, Eric and the rest of you repeat the same crap.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Probably right!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
@Joe… “Rams”…there’s no guarantee JF will be available at #2! The Texans NEED a QB way worse than we do, and Manziel is the face of Texas football! Talk about a no brainer for Houston! They’d have fans in the seats immediately! So again…the only way to be ABSOLUTELY SURE you get Johnny Football is to have the #1 pick! Which will cost us 2-4 high picks this year and next! If Manziel slides past Houston…then every other team that wants a QB (Jax, CLE, MINN, TENN, OAK…maybe even STL if they are tired of Bradford) will be lining up to offer whatever the Rams ask for! Now, if for some reason Manziel falls past Oakland @5…then we have a shot at him…unless of course some other team trades with Atlanta and grabs him right before us! There are just too many other important positions to fill on this team! I’d rather the Bucs get Watkins, Matthews, Barr, Ebron etc..or maybe even trade down a little and pick up an extra #2…there is a TON of quality depth in this draft!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
spanishbuc said,
“I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like. The Skins gave up 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS AND A SECOND!!! Now if for some reason he drops and we can make a reasonable trade I would be open to that. I’m not down with bankrupting our team, for the Johnny Football pipe dream.”
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I totally agree!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Joe, you’re wearing me down – I’m slowly coming over to the JF side.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Jeagan1999:
You make good points but the Texans don’t need to sell seats. Don’t think the Texans drafting Johnny Football is as much of a slam dunk as people perceive. But very good points.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
@Buc1987 Says:
“…Harry, Joe and Eric have told us the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over…and over.
Don’t you guys get tired of it all? Repeating the same shyte?…”
’87, And you don’t? Oh, thats right, you don’t have ANYTHING to offer. You just like to criticize others…
BYE. Don’t hurry back!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
LOL – Captain Stagger again – copy and paste with the same comment on every thread.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
HotRod:
LOL It’s cool if you are not a Johnny fan. There are valid points pro and con Johnny. That’s part of what makes this guy so fascinating. Joe nearly fell over when Brandt said in some ways, Manziel is better than Staubach. That’s coming from a guy that drafted Staubach.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
“I’m just curious why Joe blames the lack of 2nd half points on Glennon when the coach refused to make half time adjustments”
Captain Stagger…. it’s called spinning.
Just like it’s Glennon or Freeman’s win/loss record and not Schiano’s or the teams record. Well one day it will be Schiano’s, the next day it will Glennon’s it’s all in how you want to spin it for the day.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
@Jeagan1999 Says:
@Joe… “Rams”…there’s no guarantee JF will be available at #2! The Texans NEED a QB way worse than we do, and Manziel is the face of Texas football!
All good points. And the Rams pick will be coveted. But IF we could get the Rams pick and Johnny is gone (we could also make the trade w the Rams contingent on Manziel being there), we can take Bridgewater or Clowney. Heck, Clowney is tempting enough as it is. Said to be the best DE to come out in 10 years.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
No Harry….I’ll be on other comment sections. Don’t worry about that. I’m just not going to comment on the Manziel ones anymore.
I’m not some sort of mentally retarded robot.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Gil Brandt was also pretty high (perhaps in more than one way) on Freeman. So, excuse me if I don’t bow down to his critique of Manziel.
“I think he’s an outstanding football player. I put him in my top 10 ahead of Sanchez,” said NFL.com’s Gil Brandt, a highly regarded talent evaluator when he was with the Dallas Cowboys. “I think he has tremendous upside.”
“I see things that say he’s going to be a successful quarterback,” Brandt says of Freeman. “He has a very good arm, good athletic ability, and he has very good mental quickness. He always adjusts quickly to different things.”
Mental quickness in Freeman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Considering this, I would say if safe to question his instincts on Manziel.
“That was a long time ago. Before the 2013 season, Brandt listed Freeman as (if Joe recalls) the 20th best QB under 30. It’s in the archives here.-Joe
February 11th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
HotRod Says:
February 11th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
“LOL – Captain Stagger again – copy and paste with the same comment on every thread.”
HotRod…ding, ding, ding that’s what I think most of them should do. Just copy and paste the same comments they made two days ago and last week about the same subject. That would save them a lot of time.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
Joe, you do realize that the Texans, Jags, Browns, AND Raiders all pick before the Bucs? I don’t think I need to remind you how messy their QB situations are? And there are only so many QBs to go around. If the Bucs don’t trade up with the Jags, he probably won’t land in Tampa. And if those other teams are HALF as hyped about Johnny Boy as you are, no way do I see all 4 of them passing on him and him landing in the Bucs lap at No.7. Just IMO.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Harry said,
“Trading up does not put the team in the Super Bowl, thats just silly. The NFL, more than any other pro sport is a team game.”
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That’s funny, according to you, and Joe, it only takes a QB win the game.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
manziel will have a table at mons venus with his name on it
February 11th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
LOL!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
@Buc1987 Says:
“…I’m not some sort of mentally retarded robot.”
Are you sure?
February 11th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
No, never thought of that. 🙁
/sarcasm
February 11th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
And like others have said, we also have to worry about other teams trading up with the Rams, Jags, Falcons, etc.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
If Joe wanted to spin, he’d (correctly) write that some of Freeman’s best games were with Schiano as his coach.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:39 pm
Could we get a “Gil Brandt loved Josh Freeman” article for contrast?
February 11th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
@Oil Derrick Brooks Says:
“…Gil Brandt was also pretty high (perhaps in more than one way) on Freeman. So, excuse me if I don’t bow down to his critique of Manziel…”
Brandt, Wade Phillips and Mel Kiper, all have Johnny #1. Not that Phillips is a great evaluator of offensive talent (but the other two have been), but he said this in his interview for the HC position when talking with the owner of the Texans – so, in other words, he put his money where his mouth is.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Rather than blow this years (and quite possibly next years) draft to get one guy, I’d rather see the Bucs trade back into the low teens (maybe with TEN or CHI) and pick up another #2. Then take TE Eric Ebron in 1st round, then get a mammoth OL like Gabe Jackson and a speed rushing DE/OLB like Dee Ford or Kyle Van Noy. In round 4 we could always look to add QB depth with a guy like Aaron Murray from GA ( A very talented QB who slid due to injury), A.J. McCarron, Jimmy Garrappolo, Tajh Boyd, etc… To me it just makes more sense considering the needs we have!
February 11th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
@Harry
Look, nothing you can say, the writers for this website can say, or I can say will change our opinions. I could come up with 3 analysts who say the opposite, but it doesn’t matter.
But, for you guys to act like he is a slam dunk is laughable. The last slam dunk was Andrew Luck. Slam dunks are very rare. Manziel is not one. And, in my opinion, it’s beyond stupid to trade up for a non slam dunk.
I just disagree with you guys. Bottom line is it will be a few seasons before we know who is right and who’s wrong. So, let’s see what happens in say 2-3 seasons.
I strongly suspected Freeman was a bust when he was drafted. It took a little longer for that to clear up. We will see, Harry, we will see.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
@all the people who want to up
since some of you can read that well, let me put it this way…
I did not say give me examples of trading up, I said give me an example when GIVING UP THE FARM, A.K.A. GIVING UP A SH!T LOAD OF HIGH DRAFT PICKS FOR ONE PLAYER. And @ Joe thank you for the examples (not being sarcastic), I looked at those trades and I would not qualify any of those as giving up the farm IMO.
February 11th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Lmao I love the passion Joe! I love where we are at 7 and am confident we are going to be watching a premier player on the field next year and if Johnny Football is our man then Tedford is gonna have a field day
February 11th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
I tell you Joe, I’m with Hotrod on this one. You’re bringing me over to the darkside!
Truthfully though, even if he isn’t drafted by the Bucs, PLEEEAAASE keep posting the pics with the hot girls in them! It makes reading the articles just a little more fun!!!
February 11th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
“I would imagine everybody is kind of envious of all the different things that he does, is what it amounts to.”
I hate it when people use the envious or jealous routine. Like Colin Cowherd says fans dislike Bradee because we are jealous of his wife and life style.
If fans were really like that, there would be no viewers for any thing on the boob tube. They ALL have more money and a better life style than us.
Other college kids envious? Sure I could see that. But that’s about it. It’s just a ridiculous argument. No one seems to be jealous of Russell Wilson. Now THAT man has grabbed life by the horns!!
February 11th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Sorry about that! That sounds a little creepy.
February 11th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Didn’t Johnny M. get booted from the Manning charity camp? Sounds similar to a Mr. Freeman blowing off his own charity camp.
Ponder this, let’s say Johnny M. is drafted and is a huge success, do you think his partying increases or ceases? Do you think Lovie wants to babysit, or more importantly do you think the Glazers want to run constant security on him after just getting past 5 yrs of Freeman? If Johnny M. has a tough year, which is the likelihood, he hasn’t shown the work ethic in the offseason to get better at his craft. His preference has been to party and while history is no predictor of future results, it is a solid gauge of what to expect.
I think if he’s there at #7 and he’s the best player on the board, you take him but to give away more draft picks on a team that is already thin in picks and depth for THE greatest unknown position of all positions in the league is silly speculation. Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder, none of the “gurus” were talking about him. Same with Kaepernick, Dalton was 2nd rounder, Nick foles a 4th rounder, Tony Romo wasn’t drafted, Matt Schaub 3rd round and he has had a much better career than the mobile Vick. Tom Brady….6th round. What is interesting with the entire fantasy of the mobile QB is teams that have them routinely let them go, Vince Young is out of the league, McNabb as well. Vick was let go by Atlanta then picked up by Philly only to be let go again. If Vick AND RGIII cant stay healthy with their athletic bodies, how exactly is Johnny Football going to survive at 212 lbs?
February 11th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
man if we got sammy watkins i would be so happy but i would settle for teddy
February 11th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
No doubt Manziel is one of the best QBs to come out of college in a while, but does his college game translate the same to the NFL? Most likely yes, but only in the right system and Tedford’s systems of the past don’t match.
Regardless, are Smith, Licht, Tedford & Co. willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks (plus some)? I seriously doubt it, Lovie is and always will be a defensive coach first. As he’s said, they can win 8 with defense alone, so it’s pretty darn obvious where his allegiance will be in the draft. He isn’t interested in a star-QB, nor does he think the offense needs a savior, he just wants a smart QB, one who can manage the game well and not one that takes risks and puts his defense in bad situations. Manzeil is just the type Lovie DOESN’T want.
Per the SLT & Co. brain trust so far, it would seem Glennon fits the mold. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them take McCarron in the 2nd round. He’s looked at as a very good game manager and he did something twice that Manzeil couldn’t even do once, win a NCAA championship.
Personally, I would rather see them take Garappolo in the 2nd round, he’s got much more upside to work with than McCarron and he will push Glennon from day 1 for the starters role that Joe is so hell-bent on taking away from Glennon.
February 11th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
We should do everything possible to get Johnny Football including trading this year and next years number one to move up into the Texans or Rams spot. The guy is the best player in the draft and hopefully the best player we will have an opportunity to draft in a very long time.
February 11th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
Johnny cream puff in the third game of the season runs out of the pocket gains ten yards and a first down.Johnny gets hit by a 245 lb lb that runs a 4.6 forty wearing a helmet designed to injure,not protect and is finished for the year.We just gave up numerous draft picks for that result.I can think of many pocket passers that have been in the league for along time that have numerous super bowls.Pick up a qb in free agency,draft one in the fourth round,and fix the offensive line.Then replace two wide receivers and teach Jackson how to catch a football,get a pass rusher and another db and we might win ten games.Lot of holes to fill ,only mentioned some.If you Give up draft picks for a running qb it might five years to recover.The Washington Redskins are the example in motion.
February 11th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
the bucs are not going to be able to trade up for this guy no team is going to let that happen, all the teams in the top5 are in a need for a qb so thats why the bucs should be patient and go with sammy watkins the wr out of clemson and bring some vet competition against glennon. so lets stop dreaming about jonny coming here because unfortuantely its not going to happen.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
@Phil,
It will take a lot more than two 1st round picks to move up that far. the Skins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to move from 5th pick to 2nd pick. we would be moving from 7th to 1st or 2nd pick.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
My bad redskins went from 6th to 2nd pick. either way, it will cost us more.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
BRETT SMITH of Wyoming!!!! Later Round pick with ALL of the potential and talent of a Manziel. He’d get to sit for a few years and develop.
Manziel will not win at the NFL level with his collegiate antics on the field. PERIOD.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
@spanishbuc Says:
“…It will take a lot more than two 1st round picks to move up that far. the Skins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to move from 5th pick to 2nd pick. we would be moving from 7th to 1st or 2nd pick…”
Possibly, maybe even likely with all the teams that need QBs. However, the draft trade chart shows the value of moving from #7 to #2 to be 1100 points, or the equivalent of the #14 spot this year. So technically if we swapped places we might get away with just giving up next years 1st rd pick.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
@Left_Coast_Bucs_Fan Says:
“…are Smith, Licht, Tedford & Co. willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks (plus some)? I seriously doubt it, Lovie is and always will be a defensive coach first…”
Lovie traded two #1 picks while in CHI to get bratty Jay Cutler. Based on this, yes, I believe he understands the importance of a having a franchise quality QB
February 11th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Cutler had already proven himself in the NFL. In the season before he was traded, his “passing yards, completions and attempts were all single-season franchise records for the Broncos.” In addition he went to the pro bowl that year.
Vastly different than a recruit that is nowhere near a consensus sure thing worthy of being traded up for. Cutler was a definitive franchise guy at the time. No one even knows what Manziel is. With Andrew Luck, it was agreed upon by everyone.
Not worth the risk. This team has too many needs.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Would love for us to get jff dude is just a baller some ppl are just so caught up in being safe but u got to take a chance to be great. I’m willing to bet anyone on here that jff has a better career and is more successful then mike glennon. Mike glennon isn’t even a top 20 qb in this league. He’s barely 25. Go for greatness bucs fans not mediocre.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
@SpanishBuc
First off its not giving up 3 first round picks when you are swapping that years first round pick so that would be 2 first round picks…Idiot..
Second off you can’t predict injuries..
Third off RGIII took a team that was in CAP HELL to the playoffs by HIMSELF his rookie season.. What did Glennon do for us? You know the guy you think is so great because he set stupid ass Rookie QB records with consecutive TD passes in games and with his amazing 19 TD to 9 INT and his sub 47 QBR(Whoops)
You shouldn’t comment here anymore because of your stupidity..
February 11th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
@Harry
With the need at QB ahead of us, and the fact that the skins gave up so much for RGIII I don’ think the market price to move up is that low. IF, and that’s a Huge IF, we could move up for so little; I would trade up in a heart beat. My whole point this entire thread has been, when is the price too much? I’m just curious, what is the most you would give up for Mr Football?
February 11th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
@Oil Derrick Brooks Says:
“…Cutler had already proven himself in the NFL. …Vastly different than a recruit that is nowhere near a consensus sure thing worthy of being traded up for.”
ODB, I was responding to what Left Coast wrote re: Lovie and Co not willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks. They in fact did.
I also remember Cutler being a bit out of control, just like he is now, so NO, he was no slam dunk. And, I don’t know what you want as a “consensus”, but Manziel is highly endorsed by ppl who are proven to know what they are talking about.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
@spanishbuc Says:
“…what is the most you would give up for Mr Football?”
I would give up what the Redskins did for RG3, 2 firsts (’15 & ’16) an ’15’s 2nd rd, if that is what it takes.
February 11th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
@Phillip
You seem angry man, lol
February 11th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
@Harry
Lol not angry just so tired of people spewing hot garbage on here… Like no one really fact checks before commenting on here… Just sooooooooooo much ignorance from the MGM its sad…
February 11th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
@Harry
Spanishbuc is correct it will take more to move up. Why would the Rams take anything less than they got from the Redskins a couple of years ago, because you have a chart that says that?
How about this Harry (doubt it would work) but I’ll throw it out:
Bucs offer the Rams their # 7 pick this year, nexts years # 1, Mike Williams and Mark Barron (Rams need help at both spots) in exchange for the Rams # 2 and # 13 first round picks?
February 11th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Like it’s the same people that say we don’t have enough draft picks to trade up or shouldn’t trade up for a QB but we should trade up for Clowney, Mack, Watkins, and Robinson… Idiots
February 11th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
@Phillip
you’re right, they didn’t give up three 1st rounders. I’m a man, I can admit my mistakes. Now lets see how dumb you are…
1st- RGIII won the division by himself? How about a guy name Alfred Morris. 3rd in the league in rushing. That doesn’t help a rookie QB at all (that is sarcasm, i know your too stupid to realize that).
2nd – You can’t predict injuries- yes that is true, but the guy had the same injury in college. so that shows a history, so even though you can’t predict injuries you can find patters.
3rd when in the hell did I mention Glennon? but since you brought him up, HIS QBR WAS HIGHER THAT RGIII LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you had the ability to read an entire sentence, you would see that I am willing to draft Johnny Football, but at the right price.
Stop being a little B!tch and come at me with a real argument.
In the words of Richard Sherman, “YOU MAD BRO!!!!”
February 11th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
@spanishbuc
Pretty sure I was comparing rookie seasons.. We could all tell the team QUIT on Mike this past season… Idiot
Yes he had the same injury to the other knee… In no way shape or form does tearing one ACL mean you are more likely to tear your other one or it creates a pattern moron… That was about as stupid of a comment I have ever heard.
That’s great I’m pretty sure they ran an option offense so the threat of RGIII enhanced that greatly with Morris and who was he throwing it to his rookie season? Garcon for what probably 7 or 8 full games?
Ya the Redskins made a terrible move trading for a FRANCHISE QB who took them to the playoffs and just happened to have a knee injury at the end of his Rookie season… The Bucs would have given their left testicle to get the RGIII that ended up taking them to the playoffs on a terrible team in cap hell…
February 11th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
@joe
I really wished you didn’t use that photo of JFF in this article when comparing him to Rodger Staubach.
We all know JFF likes to party (which college kids don’t) but without great men and women like Rodger that would not be possible. Staubach voluntarily went to serve a tour in Vietnam instead of taking a stateside post.
Sorry Joe I am by no means trying to tell you how to do your job but I think you could have used a different pic.
February 11th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Trading up for a high pick seems way too dangerous to me, particularly given the team’s needs. Not just for new starters–DE, TE, slot WR, whatever–but also for depth, which is where I think Dominick was really weak. It’s just too danged expensive to trade for a top pick and really can’t be compared to the usually (relatively) inexpensive trades for low first-round picks.
Unless some really great athlete that fits a key need is available, I think the Bucs should trade down, not up. The team is already shy a third round pick in what looks like a fairly deep draft. Not good.
If Manziel somehow slips without good reason to 7, then I could definitely see taking him, even if we think we might be able to win with Glennon. Ditto Bridgewater. But I don’t think Manziel or Bridgewater, for that matter, would be the difference between the Bucs going to the Super Bowl next year. The only way we get a major turnaround is to finish building the defense and shoring up the offense we already have, which is only a season removed from being decent. Trading up and losing picks might guarantee that we don’t fill all our needs.
Free agency could affect all of this, of course, though I don’t really see a likely QB replacement coming in that way–certainly no one substantially better than Glennon, taking into account performance, age, health, etc.
February 11th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
@Spanishbuc
Let me just add to that by saying because RGIII came back too early and not run anywhere close to what he did in 12′ that Morris’ numbers declined from 1613 yards and 13 TD’s to 1275 yards and 7 TD’s
Oh and with Cousins as a QB in 2 of the 3 games he had a sub 4.0 AVG per carry… But good job man
February 11th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
Here we go again…
So when the skins win it’s because of RGIII and they lose it is everyone else. The team gave up on both mike and RGIII. Multiple reports of RGIII’s lack of leadership, crying to Dan Snyder, telling coaches not to show his negative plays during film sessions, and even veteran players like Santana Moss calling him out for his lack of accountability.
Now to the read option… So RGIII and the read option made Alfred Morris look good? The truth is that it HELPED BOTH OF THEM!! Look at what happened to RGIII when he couldn’t run the read option, he has horrible.
I’m really glad you posted that last comment, yes Alfred Morris’ production went down this year, but so did almost every running back this year. If he would have ran for the same amount of yards this year he would have led the league in rushing. In fact he was 3rd in rushing in 2012, and 4th in rushing 2013. Good job trying to make statistic look better for your case. FAIL. I love how you ignore the fact that the NFC East might be weakest division in football, especially this year.
The truth is that this argument will not be solved for a couple more years. RGIII had a great rookie season and a horrible sophomore season. That is the truth. If he comes back and becomes a great QB in time I will have to eat crow, but if he fails, you better believe that I will remind you of it every chance I get.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
So in two years at A&M, Johnny F had two dominate O-Lines as well as great wideouts to help him. Overall A&M schedule this year was softer with out of conference opponents, yet he threw 4 more INT’s on 5 less passing attempts.
Then you seem to fail to remember that he was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors—disorderly conduct, failure to identify, and possession of a fictitious driver’s license in 2012. Which means, he was probably out drinking. He was kicked out of a Texas Frat (sorry I want someone intelligent and if I am an A&M football player, im not going to some Texas Frat to party.)
All the pictures you ever show of him his him partying (which makes me think you just want him here so you to can party)
Personally I am tired of your man crush on him. Does he have the ability, more than likely yes. Does he have the maturity with all these great examples and others like leave a bar a couple weeks back with two hot women or tweeting I can’t wait to leave college station. Probably not. Are we drafting the next Russell Wilson with this kid? or the next Leaf, Smith, Freeman combo?
February 11th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
@Phillip Says:
“…Lol not angry just so tired of people spewing hot garbage on here… Like no one really fact checks before commenting on here… Just sooooooooooo much ignorance from the MGM its sad…”
I hear ya. I love the comments that “compare” MG8 to Brady and Manning. My fav tho was a day or two ago, someone actually said, MG8 is better than all NFC South QBs, including Brees, lol
February 11th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
@BucfaninMO Says:
” @Harry… How about this: Bucs offer the Rams their # 7 pick this year, nexts years # 1, Mike Williams and Mark Barron (Rams need help at both spots) in exchange for the Rams # 2 and # 13 first round picks?”
That leaves us with two gapping holes at WR and S, but an additional 1st rd pick. But yeah, I think I would look at that. The real questions is if Lovie would.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
@spanishbuc
I think that the real difference is in RG3 getting hurt. No one could have foreseen that, its silly to include that in the “what ifs”. Imagine that he didn’t; thats a little more fair. RG3 was a terror his rookie year. Now, I have to add, I am not a fan of the QB philosophy of Vick/RG3/etc. Having your QB run so much is going to get them hurt, just as RG3 did. I am not a big Shanahan fan. He should have pushed him to throw more, run less
February 11th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
If you squint your eyes and turn your head you can see the Manchild obsessed Joe in the corner of that pic clapping like a silly girl with all the other goo goo eyed drones.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
@Phillip Says:
Like it’s the same people that say we don’t have enough draft picks to trade up or shouldn’t trade up for a QB but we should trade up for Clowney, Mack, Watkins, and Robinson… Idiots
True
February 11th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
🙂
February 11th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
@spanishbuc
Who cares if the entire league went down in rushing this year? He still ran for less with the same offense and a full 16 games of Pierre Garcon? I don’t care where he ranked the fact of the matter is he ran for less Period.
Where were all the comments in 2012 if that’s the case about leadership?
Just stop kid…
February 11th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
@Harry
It might be the price of poker..
February 11th, 2014 at 7:53 pm
Happily Joe has no management role at One Buc.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
@Bobby M. Says:
Excellent argument bro.
Seriously.
Glennon is the epitome of correct functional attitude for an NFL QB.
Works hard. Great self-discipline (unlike superstar). A little chip on the
shoulder but not chipy and a card-carrying under-dog (compared to the
front-running rich kid).
Just my 2 cents.
If we can draft Manziel great.
I’d love to see Glennon beat him out for starting QB.
But your right: I’ll bet Glennon looks pretty good to the
Glazers right now with Lovie’s focus on defense and the Freeman saga.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
No gambles right now thanks. I’d like to get back to the playoffs.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:28 am
@BucfaninMO Says:
“…It might be the price of poker..”
Thats exactly it. You figure out your limit and stop there.