Glennon Still Making The Rounds
January 23rd, 2014
He’s already been to see new GM Jason Licht
Joe already wrote about how Mike Glennon is on a sales mission — to sell himself as the Bucs’ main man at quarterback. He’s smart enough to know that playing every last angle can only help him.
Glennon ran to see Lovie Smith, was quick to pop in on Jeff Tedford, penned a column for Sports Illustrated and jumped on Delaware sports radio.
Glennon has had a busy few weeks. And today we learned from new Bucs general manager Jason Licht that Glennon already has been to see him. Licht playfully acknowledged that wise players are always eager to meet a new GM.
“I got a chance to meet him just yesterday morning,” Licht said of Glennon. “Smart players usually come around when the head coach and general manager, you know, are hired. And I had a great impression of him.”
There’s no truth to the rumor that Glennon brings fresh cookies daily to his new quarterbacks coach.
You can hear the full news conference audio of Licht today, via WDAE-AM 620.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Smart kid. Not sure if it will translate to him being the starter, but gotta give him credit for doing everything he can.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Glennon knows he has to put a lot of effort in to make a good impression, he’s smart enough to know that he was not the new guys’ pick and they have no investment in him. I really like these hires this off season, I think next year we will be miles ahead of last year.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:39 pm
Looking for a new source of BUC news,.. Know of a good one that doesn’t take subtle shots at the QB for being around the clubhouse in the off season?
Joe finds it interesting. Therefore Joe writes about it. Heck, even Licht noted it. Calm down. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Regardless of what you think of Glennon, you have to admire his dedication to the craft. Guy is a hard worker and a go-getter, which is definitely a refreshing change from Freeman.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Could be way worse Joe, the Gm, Head coach and OC did not have to go looking for the QB in a Bar. ( Opps did I say that out loud). Anyways, its nice to see someone, very professional, and eager to learn. I would say it is quite refreshing. And “IF” someone does come in and beats him out, Glennon is only going to make that person come in and have to outwork him.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:42 pm
MGM 4 life baby!
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
did glennon pee in your oatmeal joe?
why the jab at the end of the story?
I’m part of the mob I guess, but only because everything I hear about is high character, and the guy plays smart and accurate. I’ll forgive him for curling up in a ball when multiple D Linemen blow through the line faster than the ball can get to him. I’ll take that over a pick anyday. I’d have to go back and watch, but a LOT of those sacks were pure jailbreak scenarios.
call me old school, but Cam, Kapernick, Vick etc.. etc.. all these larger than life athletes seem to lack humility and professionalism. and none of them have a ring that I know of.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
We have ourselves a committed QB to lead our team.
Yay, Bucs!
Glad we don’t need to burn the 7th overall pick on a QB, and we can pick BPA.
Glennon will emerge this year, bank on it. Love that the Bitter Freemanite Posse is still in full swing.
I guess when Glennon is leading our team to victories this year, he will receive some respect.
I am very encouraged to see that most of the Glennon hate comes from Freeman supporters. Also, it goes to show that the Freeman supporters have been wrong about a Tampay Bay QB before and perhaps they are again.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:44 pm
Aww come on IdahoBucsfan, you need to find the humor in Joe doing all he can unsuccessfully to get the rook out of here. His dislike for the guy is quite funny, him and his little buddy from 620.
Joe has no dislike for Glennon. The guy played pretty well for what he was thrust into. Joe simply doesn’t see him as the starter of the future. Those are two different concepts. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:44 pm
Good question Idaho, burying the guy for being the best rookie QB in the league last season.
Nobody knows squat about how his career will play out or if he can be the best QB in the division. Only time will tell and you know you won’t hear any apologies if it happens. Just a hop on to the bandwagon
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Yep to a few comments above…nonstop digs against Glennon by Joe. Would love to hear his credentials of coaching or playing QB….or any position for that matter
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Sit back, snack on a tater, and relax.
Glennon is our dude unless he loses his job to a late round or undrafted QB. Get used to him, he will be here a while.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:50 pm
lol Couch. Little buddy.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Starter or not, Glennon is probably not going anywhere, unless someone offers a high draft pick for him. I’m glad we have him. If he’s not the starter, he’ll be as good a backup as they’ve ever had. Media rabble-rousing for Johnny Football isn’t going to influence Jason Licht and Lovie Smith. I’m happy to wait it out and see what they decide is best to move the team into next season. I’m confident there will be competition at the QB position.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:54 pm
LOL, at Couch
I like to play the show backwards, so i can hear ” Schiano is the devil, Schiano is the devil.” over and over again.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:55 pm
As a Former Freeman supporter I must admit Glennon played alot better than I thought he would. The guy deserves a shot at the starting job. And Joe your shots at Glennon are not clever or funny.
Glennon will get his shot. He’s got a good a shot as anyone being there right now and on the roster. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:56 pm
LMAO @ The Realist
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:04 pm
^Somebody sees the light. 🙂
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Robert:
Joe has nothing against Glennon. Real good dude. But if you think Glennon can lead the Bucs to the promised land, Joe wants to find out what you see that he doesn’t (at least Freeman showed sparks in his rookie season).
Once again, if you have the worst quarterback in the division, your chances of making a Super Bowl run are pretty dismal. Joe doesn’t get why people are irked that Joe wants a quarterback that makes his team better, not having to have a perfect team that can carry a quarterback?
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Joe is entitled to his opinion.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Why wouldn’t you want to meet your new boss and make a good impression?
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:13 pm
stevek Says:
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Joe,
Fans are “irked” because you put Freeman on a pedestal during his 61 starts. Some fans, who you call the “MGM” believe that the Freemanites are still better and have no problem passing QB judgement (wrong again?) on Glennon after only 13 starts…
Odd reading comprehension. Joe wrote over and over again pointing out Freeman’s horrendous record against winning teams. There was much more, as well. Oh, well. Readers can interpret reality however they like. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:13 pm
Freemanites are still bitter*
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:14 pm
@Joe
where was the since of urgency last year when we had the 4th best QB in the division. Where are you going to find this ” Franchise QB ” that is better or second best in the division. For me, instead of doing an arms race to get the best QB, Get some pass rush to bring the other teams Qb level down to our QB. there is a reason that Drew Brees and Payton Manning don’t play each other every single SuperBowl!
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Joe,
You claim that “at least Freeman showed sparks during his rookie season”, but you don’t consider Glennon’s game against the Seahawks a “spark”?
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Glennon deserves a seat at the competition table.
The great part about it is whoever they bring in to compete, will see how hard Glennon works. It makes him and everyone around him work hard. Much better than someone who would rather be at the club than studying tape.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:17 pm
No organization that Licht has worked for has ever gone into the first or second round looking for a QB, except for Kevin Kolb with the Eagles in ’07.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:17 pm
Did Glennon pull out a win in the fourth quarter against the Seahawks like Freeman did against the playoff-bound Packers when Freeman was a rookie?
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:18 pm
Absolutely.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:18 pm
ODB,
Exactly, Glennon won’t out be clubbing and slacking off as our QB. He will be working his tail off to improve our team.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Plumbers work hard too. It’s wins that counts in the NFL.
Joe would take a lazy ass who is drunk half the time if he comes to play and gets wins on Sundays.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:19 pm
@Realist. Exactly
Trying to find a better QB than Breese or Ryan most likely will be a failure. Intead try to create a better team than those teams. The idea that we HAVE to have an elite QB to win is insane.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:20 pm
@admin,
of course not, But Glennon did meet a team so riddled with injuries like the Packers were during the middle of the season. Didn’t Rodgers get injured as well as there massive guys out of that game.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:20 pm
Joe,
One could argue that Freeman did squat in quarters 1,2 and 3, while doing a little to “comeback” in the 4th.
Glennon started out hot some games, and was absent in the seond half.
Maybe we can bring Freeman back, and let him play every 4th quarter, bc Glennon has quarters 1 and 2 on lockdown.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Glennon is not the guy to win you championships and I think we will have to bring someone in but he will need to get on his knees a bit and I would think being so tall is another learning curve he will have to master
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:21 pm
This is the football equivilent to when Bobby Knight said rape victims should just lay back and enjoy it.
It is defeatism at its worst. “Oh, we may not be able to get a quarterback better than Cam Newton, so why try?”
Sad. Really sad.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Did Glennon pull out a win in the fourth quarter against the Seahawks like Freeman did against the playoff-bound Packers when Freeman was a rookie?
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No but Glennon did have more overall wins than freeman his rookie season.
Did Freeman every have back to back 100+ QB rating in back to back games his rookie season? I would say thats a little spark
We can go back and forth with statistics but of course my stats, you’ll just blow off.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:24 pm
It is defeatism at its worst. “Oh, we may not be able to get a quarterback better than Cam Newton, so why try?”
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Lol Did I say anything about not trying?
I have no problem with competition. Draft a QB in round 2 or later so there is an actual competition. We all know 1st round QBs are deemed the franchise. No competition there.
Use the #1st overall pick on something else.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:28 pm
However the QB situation plays out this offseason, the outcome must be the playoffs or winning the NFC South outright within two years.
For the record, I think Glennon can compete and win the starting job next season. The purported Tedford offense requires a cerebral guy and Glennon has that and the arm too. If a better guy is out there, all the better.
Regardless, give me an overachiever who is hungry rather than the Jamarcus Freeman bloat.
Gotta respect someone willing to fight for a job.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:29 pm
“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
-Calvin Coolidge
^
this was my problem with free….anyone with an eye for it could see the guy just did not have the “mental toughness” to make it or be a leader. he was a one trick pony. guess some loved that trick a lot more than others.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:32 pm
No question another QB will be brought in.
The question is whether we use our seventh rounder to pick one or as part of a package to move up.
If either happens Glennon does not have a seat at the competition table, as everyone knows that high pick is gonna play.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:34 pm
If either happens Glennon does not have a seat at the competition table, as everyone knows that high pick is gonna play.
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Exactly my point Eric. Thats the only thing I have against drafting a QB in the 1st round. Glennon at least deserves the oppertunity to compete which will not be afforded him if we draft one in the 1st.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:37 pm
See that’s the problem….enough already with the worst quarterback in the division. Who is availabe as a free agent or through the draft that is better than Brees, Newton or Ryan? NO ONE! Please don’t say Bridgewater or Manziel or Bortles, etc. You have no idea how they will pan out. You have given Glennon 13 games with crap around him.
Glennon’s ceiling is Ryan, which is not too shabby. What the Bucs need to do is be the best elsewhere…like defense line (add Mack or FA)! Or Wide Receiver (add Watkins). Or just be the best TEAM. It is a team game, last time I looked.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:44 pm
“Glennon’s ceiling is Ryan, which is not too shabby.” If Glennon matches Ryan’s numbers, Joe will be more than happy to wear his jersey because that means he will be one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.
Only way a “team” wins a Super Bowl with a subpar quarterback is if said team has one of the greatest defenses of all time. The Bucs aren’t close to that, sorry. But the Bucs could be a contender with a decent quarterback. Yes, Bridgewater and Johnny Football have higher ceilings than Glennon. And no, Joe doesn’t think Glennon will ever be the next Matty Ice (who was the top QB selected in his draft, not a third-rounder drooled over by a coach who had a fetish for him since he was in high school).
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:44 pm
So we need a QB as good as Brees, Ryan or Newton.
Again, who is going to block for this guy?
Are Tiquan Underwood and Skye Dawson going to become pro bowl WRs?
I don’t see Peyton Manning in this draft.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:46 pm
And, our pass rush is in a sorrier situation than our QB one.
Pass Rush is the #1 priority, it has to be.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:50 pm
Fat Free WAS pretty good though…
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:52 pm
The MG mob needs to accept the fact that Glennon probably won’t be the starting QB in 2014. The MG mob (lol) likes to call the Freeman supporters “bitter Freemanites”. LOL…it’s going to be funny seeing how the MG (sic) mob reacts when someone else is the starting QB.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Yes, Bridgewater and Johnny Football have higher ceilings than Glennon. ———–
You state that as a fact, so prove it.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:56 pm
LOL…it’s going to be funny seeing how the MG (sic) mob reacts when someone else is the starting QB.
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Its also going to be funny to hear the freemanites cry when/if Glennon is the starter come regular season. You know kind of how they had been telling us all off season last year that Glennon had no chance to start.
LMAO, i see they are still trying there luck at predictions though.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:57 pm
@admin so now Glennon is not even a decent quarterback? He is a “subpar quarterback”…. I knew I could get that out of you.
And the proof is having the likes of Underwood to throw to? Or that great offensive line? Nope…its the running game with the 3rd stringer in there giving him all those 3rd and shorts
Of course Glennon is subpar compared to other NFL starters. That’s not up for debate. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:59 pm
Bill:
Freeman did more with less as a rookie. Unlike Glennon, Freeman didn’t have one of the best receivers in the NFL at his disposal, nor an All-Pro running back.
If Glennon isn’t subpar, please explain then in great detail why he should be rated as good if not better than the likes of Tony Romo or Alex Smith.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:08 pm
please explain then in great detail why he should be rated as good if not better than the likes of Tony Romo or Alex Smith.
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What rookie comes into the league better than tony romo? Your expectations are insanely high.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:08 pm
We have bigger problems than QB between the Bucs and the playoffs.
Some folks, Freemanites, Rock Star Supporters, are hell bent on a change at the QB position.
I hope we can bring in a Vet, or draft a 4th rounder. That would be great.
The 7th overall pick, goes to the most talented prospect, BPA all the way. Anything else, and we are out of the playoffs for another 5 years.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:10 pm
Joe…please don’t sugarcoat it anymore. You don’t like Glennon as a QB. 3 or 4 of us challenged you and you did nothing to talk up Glennon….just rip him. You are now using Freeman as a defense? There are at least 20 other teams that would like a Brees or Newton or Rodgers or Brady. To say Glennon is subpar after 13 games with some pretty damn impressive stats with crap (and no way Vincent Jackson is one of the best receivers in the league…not top 7 for sure)
Tony Romo? First Romo has been playing forever. Give Glennon just 4 years as a starter with an improving Bucs team and then we can talk
What sugarcoat? Joe doesn’t see Glennon as a QB that can lead the Bucs where they need to go. Joe doesn’t rip Glennon. Joe merely wants better. There’s a huge difference. Glennon played pretty considering a number of factors. He looks like he’ll be an excellent backup with a long career. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:10 pm
@joe
freeman was playing sandlot football when he was at his best. I don’t remember any team like that in a SB. It will win you some games and look great doing it because defenses can’t really game plan for it…but it’s no formula for success. The Panthers made the playoffs BECAUSE Cam stopped doing this….he impressed me with that. Brees is smart, Ryan seems calm an cool, and Cam proved he can be coached. Glennon has all this, although he does not have Cam’s speed….it seems you want superman in here and that isn’t happening.
so why live in the past? It will be funny when Glennon leads this team next year…maybe not to the playoffs, but they will get a LOT better…..will be funny when that happens and he gives you the finger for an interview.
just sayin’
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Mumbles comes here for the fights. He’s going love this thread.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:18 pm
I am still waiting for someone to tell me which QB in the draft is guaranteed to be better than Brees, Ryan, and Newton. Of course the answer is there are no such guarantees.
The entire logic is flawed anyway. The Birds were the worst in the division this year. Does that mean Ryan regressed from 2012 and is no longer the second best QB in the division? When the Payton-less Saints were bad in 2012 does that somehow mean Bress stopped being the best QB in the division?
I am waiting for the response that in each instance the team was riddled with injuries and discord.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Joe is very engaged with this QB discussion….glad to see it. You have put Johnny Football, Murray & Garoppolo in front of us….what about some others?
I am not in the “Glennon Mob”… I’m just being practical when I have hopes that he works out…because he is under contract and isn’t putting pressure on us financially. The same goes for Martin and Tim Wright…and if we pick up a Sammy Watkins at 7…we will have 4 skill positon players at a very low cost for some years to come.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
I’m here Buc1987, enjoying the action! I can still smell the napalm!
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
joe-
“Unlike Glennon, Freeman didn’t have one of the best receivers in the NFL at his disposal, nor an All-Pro running back.”
I didn’t know Martin was there for Glennon- thought he got hurt….as did his backup
Glennon had VJax…….and that’s it! the O line was the worst in years, he had no real #2 or #3 WR, had no tight end (but he sure made Tim Wright look good-credit to Wight as well)—-and he had arguably a worse OC than Olsen!!!
It should have looked like the giraffe scene from Hangover 3, but the guy stood strong. It’s your opinion and your site, but I hope you like crow.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Whole lotta goal post moving going in here. First the goal is to be BETTER than Brees, Ryan or Newton. By the time of the last admin comment, it’s been reduced to a higher ceiling than Glennon (the sub-par, butt smooching, not even decent Glennon mind you). I believe I have all of the qualifications for the Joes’ next Bucs QB: I am ABG. But according to Joe, the sub-par, butt smooching, not even decent QB should be part of the “competition”. LOL
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Glennon actually looked pretty promising this year.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:28 pm
I also find it amusing that the national media and analysts all are high on Glennon and the local media are the one’s that mock him. Are the local guys smarter than people who evaluate talent for a living or is it simply..I hate Schiano, Schiano loved Glennon, therefore I must hate Glennon
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Freeman was pure garbage
Using him as any kind of means of proof is ridiculous lol.
That being said if better is available it’s illogical not to bring him in to either
A. Make Glennon prove he is the best QB to lead our team and our team is better for it.
or
B. Beat Glennon out, prove to be the best QB, and our team will be better for it.
I’m ok with either situation, but he won’t be handed the job because it’s the “right” thing to do. L squaredt wanna keep their jobs, their going to make sure it’s the best thing to do.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Quarterbacks are very hard to find. I don’t see any free agent QBs that are nothing more than backups. Unless we trade up to 2 and get jonny football where is this franchise guy your talking about Joe?
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
or rather potentially better
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Fishfries…I’ve been asking that question on here for weeks now.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Smart guy!
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Smart guy!
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:51 pm
I heard licht mention competition to the qb position. When you bring competition to the qb spot that means your not sold on the incumbent starter.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:52 pm
“Joe would take a lazy ass who is drunk half the time if he comes to play and gets wins on Sundays.”
But, the reality is, how many of those guys have existed in NFL history, vs the talented AND hard workers?
Most of the time, the drunk fails. Favre’s don’t grow on trees. Who?? Manziel, you say? Manziel will not be able to absorb a FRACTION of the hits that Favre did over his career.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Fishfries Says:
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:27 pm
Glennon actually looked pretty promising this year.
He tailed off after the Detroit game.
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:58 pm
Are the cookies Toll House or Pillsbury?
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:03 pm
He tailed off after the Detroit game.
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I’m sure that was the rookie wall that Joe applies to every other rookie we’ve have. Glennon should be no exception.
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:07 pm
“Joe would take a lazy ass who is drunk half the time if he comes to play and gets wins on Sundays.”
Lovie wouldn’t 😀
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:08 pm
I will put it this way. I like Glennon. Do I think he is a franchise qb? Too early to tell. Saying he is subpar is a ridiculous statement. Joe brought up Freeman’s first year as a comparison. Another terrible argument as Freeman’s rookie year was atrocious.
Joe is having an off day….or he hung out with Deumig last nite and had one too many 🙂
Freeman showed promise in his rookie season that Glennon did not. The wide receiver Freeman completed more balls to than any other that season was Maurice Stovall. Freeman had a comeback win against a playoff team. His skills and ceiling were undeniable. He also was 3-6 as the starter. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:20 pm
I think it is alot of people on hear that dont want mg to be the qb , am not one of those people.Mike glennon mob baby!!!!!!!
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:21 pm
Booger’s sidekick said 2 weeks ago that Glennon should be cut (Booger laughed him saying u nuts).
Now if Glennon is truly subpar=below average=no good, then why he even let him compete for starting job?
U can see how silly that sounds. Joe didn’t mean that….I hope 😉
You still have to work with what you have and be responsible for putting the best possible team on the field. Glennon will be on the roster, rightfully so. And unless there’s a superstar brought in, he will compete, whether Joe likes it or not. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Freeman’s rookie year showed promise based on opinion not fact. There are many analysts across the country are saying Glennon showed promise. Again…their opinion backed up by fact and numbers.
Numbers can be spun every which way. You know that. So Freeman’s 3-6 record as a rookie and a win against a playoff team and fourth-quarter proficiency didn’t show promise?–Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Freeman’s rookie year showed promise based on opinion not fact.
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Exactly. And not to much this ceiling that Joe cant even prove exhists is also another opinion that is being clamied as fact.
Joe doesn’t confuse fact and opinion. Many readers do when they dive between the lines. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Bill T Says:
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Freeman’s rookie year showed promise based on opinion not fact. There are many analysts across the country are saying Glennon showed promise. Again…there opinion backed up by fact and numbers
Glennon regressed after that Detroit game. He had one of the worst YPA in the league. The offense was still dead last even when the defense was top 7 in TOs. Meaning not captilizing off the defense making plays.
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:36 pm
Can’t we just blame it all on evil Schiano and move on. It’s so much easier.
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Lets just continue every offseason looking for this mythical “franchise QB’ and allow the rest of the roster to rot on the vine until we find a sure fire Hall of Famer.
Had Glennon been picked in the 1st round last year we would be talking about what a bright future this team has with him and building around him for the future. Instead, he was coached by one of the biggest laughing stocks of a coaching staff in recent memory and had a pitiful cast of characters to throw to besides one guy.
We almost have to go through a mock season with big boy’s developing the schemes to even be able to evaluate this roster. The best value at QB in this draft isn’t in the top 10, it’s in the middle rounds. There just isn’t that big of a gap between the 2nd best QB and the 7th best.
The “ifs” have to stop. The only if out there is that “if” Glennon played so well, there’d be no question about who next year’s quarterback is. But the reality is that’s not the case. Joe would love to hear what you think Glennon would command on the trade market right now — in a league that overvalues quarterbacks. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Glennon showed promise and has “game manager” written all over him. But I trust Lovie and his staff enough for them to decide whether that’s enough and whether Glennon is the best option, given the totality of the team’s needs.
Personally, I don’t think we’re a QB away from a Super Bowl win, so I’d only draft a QB in the first round if we were to get some great opportunity. That’s very unlikely, so we should draft the best player who fits our system.
Something we should all keep in mind is that our best season ever involved Brad Johnson at the helm. We had a decent defense that year and a great defense. I think we’re closer to building a great defense now than a great offense, considering that we need to still build a full receiver and TE corps, maybe improve the FB position, get a legitimate back-up QB (or make Glennon that guy), and we clearly need to fix the OL we not very long ago thought was set.
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm
Well maybe you can start calling him (free) franchise qb josh freeman like you call dom the rock star.
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:15 pm
Sorry, a decent offense and a great defense.
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm
Joe knows way more about talent evaluation than the ESPN, PFT, recognized QB analysts, and all of the other nationally recognized dummies that gave Glennon high marks this year. Oh and the folks that voted him all rookie QB as well.
Thank you. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm
There is no question in my mind or a large majority of the national pundits that Glennon will be the starter. He had a tremendous year given the circumstances. I cannot imagine even the best QBs in the NFL doing better in those circumstances as a rookie. I think Joe will end up being on the wrong side of history again. I could be wrong and will be the first one to admit it. It will be fun to see how the coaches react to Glennon once offseason workouts start.
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm
lol
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:31 pm
Joe’s skin is thinning a tad
Hardly. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:42 pm
That was a good one lol
January 23rd, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Joe(s) have some real passion on this topic. Its going to be very interesting how this all unfolds.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:10 pm
Glennon Glennon he’s our man, if he can’t do it, who on the horizon can. Glennon would bring a third round pick in a trade, at least right now. I’m a proud member of Glennon’s supporters, for now.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:12 pm
Joebucsfan.com = Glennon haters… Please don’t fabricate things about Joe. Joe likes Mike Glennon. He’s just not who Joe believes in as a starter. –Joe
Just butt-hurt that their man crush Manziel will be gone.
Go Bucs! Make them eat their words Big Mike!
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Lol ..you Glennonites are so simple minded….the draft does have scouts for a reason…Mike Glennon per mike may ok (he’s right on A LOT of people he critques) said Glennon was a 4-5 round rated qb with a 3rd round projection based on Desperate teams!!! Therefore if you don’t take a qb at least in the second the new NFL passing league doesn’t allow otherwise…and don’t gimme Brady was found in the later rounds ….that 1 in the last 20 years. Most of you probably don’t know this FACT. Chuck all but sat down to eat with Aaron Rodgers and that we were gonna draft him….even he mentioned it on a draft special when he fell look it up….or ask /email on of the top sports writers they know…..smh sigh were have we come settling on no td’s in the second half….guess another qb wouldn’t have scored with all the excuses huh lol point taken case closed…Joe I got your back
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Glennon may or may not be starting but I saw Glennon regress after Detroit game. And I saw poor play calling so its both. Rookie qb and play calling, I like the idea of finding the rt players that fit in a system hopefully our new gm finds them and tedford can coach them and Lovie can make them gel
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:02 pm
gotbbucs Says:
January 23rd, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Lets just continue every offseason looking for this mythical “franchise QB’ and allow the rest of the roster to rot on the vine until we find a sure fire Hall of Famer.
Had Glennon been picked in the 1st round last year we would be talking about what a bright future this team has with him and building around him for the future. Instead, he was coached by one of the biggest laughing stocks of a coaching staff in recent memory and had a pitiful cast of characters to throw to besides one guy.
We almost have to go through a mock season with big boy’s developing the schemes to even be able to evaluate this roster. The best value at QB in this draft isn’t in the top 10, it’s in the middle rounds. There just isn’t that big of a gap between the 2nd best QB and the 7th best.
The “ifs” have to stop. The only if out there is that “if” Glennon played so well, there’d be no question about who next year’s quarterback is. But the reality is that’s not the case. Joe would love to hear what you think Glennon would command on the trade market right now — in a league that overvalues quarterbacks. –Joe
First of all there wasn’t a single “if” in my whole post. Second, the whole draft, as far as QB’s go, is the biggest “IF” of all time. “If” there was a re-draft right now with teams knowing now what Glennon’s rookie numbers would be he would go in the 1st round, without a doubt in my mind.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Joe’s skin is thinning a tad
Hardly. –Joe
Just making the observation that you are responding more and more to opposing views. Don’t see that as much on other sites.
And nothing about this site is like any other. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:09 pm
BucsFan68 Said
The MG mob needs to accept the fact that Glennon probably won’t be the starting QB in 2014. The MG mob (lol) likes to call the Freeman supporters “bitter Freemanites”. LOL…it’s going to be funny seeing how the MG (sic) mob reacts when someone else is the starting QB.
Hope you remember this post when Glennon starts. LOL.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:31 pm
ecspider…I saw poor play calling ALL season long. From week 1 on.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:55 pm
I was a huge Freeman supporter but it’s hard to argue that isn’t a much better QB at this stage in his career. Joe keeps saying that Freeman showed flashes during his rookie season but I disagree.
Freeman threw the ball down the field and had his receivers bail him out due to his poor accuracy. Glennon, on the other hand, is developing the right way. Making accurate and safe throws. Once his comfort level in the offense improves, Glennon will take more chances and shine. It’s fairly easy to see that he is a solid QB in the making.
Quite frankly, Joe needs to stick to writing blog posts and leave the talent evaluation alone.
Feel free to pull up game tape on Freeman ’09 versus Glennon ’13. –Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:06 pm
If his rookie season doesn’t sell you then you need to hit yourself in the hear with à tac- hammer cause you are à retard.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:16 pm
This thread has quotes from Calvin Coolidge, the MGM, the bitter Freemanites,
probably both Joes and some really good points on both sides… and the center piece is…
MFG
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Seriously…gametape?
You say Freeman showed potential with a comeback win vs Green Bay. 10 tds vs 18 ints
But Glennon showed no potential. NFL record passing rating for rookie vs Seattle
Another NFL rookie passing record with 8 straight games with a TD. 19 tds vs 9 ints
Get off this topic or very few will still take you seriously
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:34 pm
“Freeman did more with less as a rookie. Unlike Glennon, Freeman didn’t have one of the best receivers in the NFL at his disposal, nor an All-Pro running back.”
You mean Underwood and Rainey?
Seriously about showing a spark. Glennom did show good stuff on 2 minutes drill in the Pats game if I remember well but Schiano shut it down because they did’nt practice it.. Remember?
If we move up, it’s better be to get Clowney.. This is an immediate upgrade to Bowers
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:41 pm
If Andrew Luck’s rookie year numbers were good enough to be considered “franchise QB” worthy then I can’t see how anybody wouldn’t at least want to give Mike Glennon one full offseason and full season as the unquestioned starter before making a smart judgement.
Having a QB competition between a 1st year QB and a 2nd year QB is pissing in the wind. It would stunt the entire offense as a whole and we would enter next year with the same questions as some have now.
According to Joe though, from previous posts this last season, RG3 is the benchmark against what young QB’s should be measured. If that’s true then there are way more questions than answers to this whole “franchise QB” debate. I said before the season started that Glennon looked like a more polished QB coming out of college than Freeman looked after three years in the league and obviously that was true.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Glennon should consider himself fortunate if he makes the team, much less starts.
Not going to happen.
Lovie Smith didn’t wait out a year to come back and start Mike Glennon. You guys are way over inflating his performance. It wasn’t good.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Joe, Freeman had 18 picks in 9 games his rookie year. It resulted in a rating of under 60. Knock off the “Freeman showed flashes his rookie year” crap. Even when he had a decent 2nd year, he was getting a lot of help from receivers making great catches.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:28 pm
Let’s compare Glennon to some other QBs around the league! Remember that he was playing with a 3rd string RB, 4th string WR on one side, Undrafted ROOKIE WR playing at TE, RG coming back from ACL injury, 2nd string LG and OC Sullivan’s complicated playbook. Most QBs take a few seasons to pick up a playbook as extensive as Sullivan’s (it’s well documented):
Glennon:
2,608yds, 59.4%comp, 19TDs, 9Int and 83.9 QBR
Brady: 2nd year stats since he was learning as a rookie
2,843yds, 63.9%comp, 18TDs, 12Int and 86.5 QBR
P Manning:
3,739yds, 56.7%comp, 26TDs, 28Int and 71.2 QBR
Brees: 2nd year stats since he was learning as a rookie
3,284yds, 60.8%comp, 17TDs, 16Int and 76.9 QBR
Luck: Unquestioned 1st round starter (Not a 3rd rounder for competition)
4,374yds, 54.1%comp, 23TDs, 18Int and 76.5 QBR
Newton: Unquestioned 1st round starter from day one
4,051yds, 60%comp, 21TDs, 17Int and 84.5 QBR
M Ryan: Unquestioned 1st round starter
3,440yds, 61.1%comp, 16TDs, 11Int and 87.7 QBR
Let’s get some veteran competition for him. Someone that can help him learn and improve on those rookie stats. Pick up Sammy Watkins from Clemson with the 7th pick and I could see a 3500 Yard, 60% Comp, 30 TDs, 15 Picks season from Glennon. I would be very happy with that!
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:41 pm
@Eric So you as well are way smarter at evaluating a QB than paid, non partisan professionals! Why the Bucs didn’t make you and Joe co-GMs is a mystery. Trade up for a narcissistic, lazy, drunk ( didn’t we try that once), and mortgage the future. Way smarter than sticking with the gem of last years draft and fixing the real problems.
While you are at it, why not give Revis a raise for his inspirational play against the Saints. The guy really played is butt off for only a mil that game.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:44 pm
If your going to compare the two compare them for who they are now lol.
The saddest thing about that if you really wanna compare the two Freeman 13′ year 5/going into year 4 and the losing streak was abysmal and no where close to year 1 Glennon.
Just sayin
January 24th, 2014 at 12:07 am
He wasn’t the gem of last years draft.
Why all the comparisons to Free? Glennon won’t be competing against Free.
Brees Ryan Newton that’s who he is competing with. Free is long gone and may be out of the league soon.
When Tedford is done with his evaluation they will quickly move in another direction if they haven’t already.
January 24th, 2014 at 12:54 am
Bottom line, Glennon earned the right to compete for the job in the 2014 season IMO. Not lock it up, but fight for it. He was dealt a bad hand and thrown to the wolves after Freeman’s departure. I don’t believe Dan-O will be the only other QB come training camp, but don’t think they should draft a QB in round 1. For those that don’t know, Houston, Cleveland, and Jacksonville all pick before us. Unless the Bucs trade up or those three trade down, there’s no chance Bridgewater, Johnny Boy, and Bortles are there when the Bucs are on the clock.
Why reach for a QB like Carr when QB’s like Garropollo, McCarron, Mettenberger, Murray or Boyd will almost surely be there after Round 1? And if you think the Bucs are 1 QB away from SB contention you have some catching up to do. If we pick a QB after round 1, we can use our No. 7 overall pick on other key positions that have major holes. Jake Matthews or Taylor Lewan to beef up our battered and bruised O-line which, save for a mysterious 4-game stretch, was atrocious last year. Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans to put a real No.3 behind Williams and V-Jax and add depth and another weapon to an offense that finished dead last in 2013. Or form one of the best young LB corp in the game by drafting Khalil Mack. Remember how well Foster and David played when Quincy Black was playing good football before his unfortunate injury (Joe was talking pineapple for Foster)? (DE is also a need but there’s no way Clowney falls past St. Louis and Atlanta on top of everyone else)
IMO, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Bucs take Garropollo in the 2nd and have him duke it out with Glennon till the end of the preseason. The best man for the job will get the job. That way Glennon gets his chance to prove himself under pressure and the Bucs could take out two birds with one stone by filling a big need in the 1st (OL,WR,LB) and drafting a QB in the later rounds that will either push Glennon to his limit or surpass Glennon and we still end up with a better QB.
January 24th, 2014 at 1:18 am
Bill T:
Stop with the passer rating nonsense. That is one of the most absurd stats concocted on the planet. The same nonsense that would have you believe Neil O’Donnell and Marc Bulger were better quarterbacks than Johnny Unitas and Bart Starr. Josh Freeman also had a better passer rating than Joe Theisman and Kenny Stabler.
The best way to lose an argument with Joe is to cite quarterback ratings.
Joe puts more credence into horoscope readings.
January 24th, 2014 at 7:21 am
I don’t see this as glennon bashing. Nothing about glennons film really made me believe he’s a franchise guy. He came in and was better than freeman. Anyone could be because freeman was probably one of the biggest idiots playing the position.
Glennon proved to me that he is a very good back up qb that can be serviceable as a starter. He’s a care taker who is cautious with the football. Won’t make mistakes but won’t be leading a top offense either. Can’t say he won’t lose the game but to me when you’re checking down ANd playing extremely safe, well that’s going to lose you games as well.
I think glennon will get competition. Joe I disagree with your “half drunk but plays well on Sundays” statement. I love Johnny football. But the combine is his biggest test: interviews. Reference reports from coaches at AM. Is he going to put the time in like glennon did and go above and beyond? He seems a bit immature to me.
I’d honestly look at Carr or Garrapolo in round 2. Even Brett Smith in round 2-3.
As for glennon I like him no doubt. But there was a reason he was 3rd round in a terrible class. After that Detroit game where he came off “solid” not great performances, he tailed off and regressed. The anticipation lacked. Tunnel vision showed and too much hesitation and just missed open wrs. Had some freeman syndrome. Only difference is he didn’t try fitting the ball into triple coverage after he was a tad .3 seconds late.
January 24th, 2014 at 8:08 am
LOL Joe,
Lose an argument to you on this? Read 95% of the thread on here. You lost this argument badly. Ask any competent football observer and every one of them will say Glennon blew Freeman away their rookie year. Based on facts that I and others brought up. Yours was soley opinion and one game vs GB.
Next topic Deumig….I mean Joe (kidding….movin on)
Ok, Bill. If you’re correct, then there’s no way the Lovie Smith administration makes any effort to have a real quarterback competition for the Bucs starting gig. Joe’s certain that won’t happen. –Joe
January 24th, 2014 at 9:18 am
OK…. This sh$t getting stupid…. Let’s see Glennon coached by Dana Bible same coach that Matt Ryan leaned from…. oh yeah and a 2nd year qb that happens to be playing in the friggin Superbowl this year….. 3 of Wilson’s 4 years coached by Bible at NC State. And Glennon was right behind Wilson. I think based on the other PRO QB’s Glennon coaching warrants his potential to be very good. I live in the Carolinas I’m a NCS grad I watched Phillips Wilson Glennon and Ryan at BC… Glennon is NOT going anywhere and he’ll be the starter. And a WINNER.
January 24th, 2014 at 9:59 am
This is what *I* found interesting.
“Licht playfully acknowledged that wise players are always eager to meet a new GM.”
I wonder who *didn’t* come to see the Godfather?
January 24th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
I believe that if Joe were to look at all the articles that mentioned Glennon since the season ended, he would see a pattern of “Non-support” for Glennon. I am being kind with that statement. What I like about this site are the stories that I would not otherwise get. When you take a position on one side, you are bound to have many others disagree with you ( like most of these comments )
I do NOT visit this site daily because I want the writers opinion on the team.
Facts are important, not opinions, because we all have opinions and they are all different. It is hard not to alienate others when you take a strong stand on one side of the fence.
Then again, it is your website.
With about 20,000 people visiting here each day, Joe’s going to alienate thousands no matter what. Joe can’t worry about such things or he’d go nuts. –Joe
January 24th, 2014 at 7:52 pm
“Can Glennon be a great QB…realistically, no”
That is a quote from one of the Joes during their show on 620 with the Big Dope…I mean Big Dog.
I’m just curious how in the hell this particular joe can be so certain. He either has power to predict the future or there is some kind of hidden agenda. Hmm could it be that this is a great way to get followers and more clicks on the website…that’s a trick the Big Dope..I mean Dog may have taught him.
Dude, it was a request for an opinion. Joe doesn’t calculate “followers” or “clicks.” Frankly, Joe isn’t smart enough for such stuff, and Joe surely doesn’t spend time planning. Joe started this website with zero readers, zero advertising, zero marketing and wrote to zero comments for months. Joe simply shared his opinions and passion for the Bucs, as well as the news of the day. Thankfully, Bucs fans enjoyed following their team here in a non-traditional way. Nothing has changed here, other than Joe now gets to do it full-time, which ultimately serves Bucs fans better. And yes, Joe doesn’t believe Glennon can be great without an extraordinary supporting cast, and this regime is unlikely to invest those resources on that side of the football. That’s Joe’s opinion based on Joe’s definition of “great.”–Joe