Greg Schiano Wouldn’t Listen To Players
January 23rd, 2014
Darrelle Revis dishes on Greg Schiano.
If one is going to fly damn near half-way around the globe, he better get a sitdown and a good story and it appears Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times did just that. Amid the tranquil conditions of Hawaii, Stroud had a fascinating chat with Bucs stud cornerback Darrelle Revis who spilled the beans on the New Schiano Order.
Revis seems to describe a coach who meant well, but went about it all wrong with hare-brained schemes and stunts and unwilling to listen to valuable imput from his own veteran players.
During a break from the Pro Bowl draft Wednesday, Revis described Schiano, whose only previous experience in the NFL came as a defensive assistant for the Bears from 1996-98, as unprepared to be a head coach due to his schemes and unwillingness to listen to his veterans. In fact, Revis said other players at the Pro Bowl described some of Schiano’s schemes, particularly on defense, as a “joke.”
“There’s a difference between being a head coach and in control of the whole team and the whole organization at the time,” Revis said. “Everybody’s got their own schemes and what they bring to the table.
“I wish he would have listened to some of the players a little bit more, especially the veterans and some of the older guys. We can go down the line like Dashon Goldson, Davin Joseph, Carl Nicks, Vincent Jackson and those type of guys and listen to them. But he was the boss, and you’ve got to fall in line.”
Revis also described Schiano as having fostered such a stressful environment around One Buc Palace, that teammates did not want to even show up at One Buc Palace. Revis said professional players will give 110 percent but if they are as tuned out as Bucs players were, because of Schiano, it’s not a shock at the result.
Per Stroud, Revis did some research with former Bears players and had some interesting insight into what Bucs players and fans can expect from Lovie Smith this year. Revis sort of reinforced what Joe had thought: Players had tried to go to Schiano, all but begging him to change certain schemes and techniques, but he was unwilling to bend, even when the house was ablaze during the 0-8 start.
Good coaches should be willing to bend and adjust. The NFL is always fluid. Not adjusting, even in the middle of a game, is just begging to get run over.
The ultimate example for Joe was when Mike Glennon engineered two scoring drives against the 49ers using a no-huddle offense, and Schiano stopped it, saying afterward the team didn’t practice the no-huddle.
To which Joe exclaimed, “Who gives a s(p)it? It was working!”
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:24 am
Easy Joe. It was Glennon’s fault that it all went south last year. If we would’ve had a better quarterback then the defense would’ve been better, the adjustments that Jackson, Nicks and Joseph were begging for would’ve been in place and we’d be getting ready for the Bucs to play the Broncos next month. Don’t try blaming this on coaching.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:27 am
I sure hope nobody tries to defend Schiano anymore. Revis is putting the final stamp on what most of the fans already knew. It is just amazing that he was ever hired to begin with.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:28 am
We have our answer fans. We ALL were seeing it on the field, but to hear one of the BEST EVER at his position say it, makes me feel even better. Why is it the fans, media and even his OWN PLAYERS saw what was going wrong, but he was to stubborn to listen. I thank GOD we have Lovie now
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:28 am
Seeking input is key management skill was unused because of stubborness and ego. That is a shame. I suspect looking back and this being made public that Schiano will learn from that mistake. Its too bad he didn’t learn that early on.
Obviously players tried but he was too dictatorial in his management style to make changes plyers want.
Props to Revis for making it public….and I think by saying Schiano was “well meaning”….he did it with some class!!!
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:31 am
The Greg Schiano saga is behind me and I don’t intend to re-live it so I’m not going to pile on. But I will quote Alex Marvez from Fox Sports “Enter the factory of Sadness!”.
I wish Schiano well in wherever he goes from here!
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:31 am
Hard headed Schiano!!! Like they say, a hard head makes a soft a$$!
I’m sure if he gets another chance at a headed coaching opportunity I’m sure he’ll make a lot more adjustments, and be more flexible .
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:32 am
So Glennon engineered 2 TD drives against the second best team in the NFC without Schiano in calling the plays……hmmmmmmm by the way Joe, you forgot to crowbar in a comment about Johnny Mancrush.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:33 am
Thank God is gone
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:34 am
Schiano is a thing of the past. Let Lovie run his schemes and return our Bucs to relevancy.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:34 am
It’s good to have some actual confirmation on what we all suspected. Thank god that page has finally been turned, and we don’t have to worry about that kind of stuff anymore. In the NFC Championship game, Pete Carroll took input from the freaking kicker and it helped them win that game. Something tells me Greggy would’ve tuned out the kicker like he was a telemarketer.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:45 am
The Buc defense, in particular, will benefit from the different coaching style. The Smith/Frasier defense with a couple of additions….DE/CB….perhaps LB should be awesome.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:46 am
@joe
I commented about the 9er game on the thread about him interviewing for the Browns job. Anyway, good riddance. He did it toh himself and did usa favor because now we have Lovie. So it all worked out.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:47 am
So in essence what is being said is that the same nucleus of players quit on another coach. Get rid of all their sorry asses and let’s start over. F’kn primadonnas
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:49 am
Patrick in VA- I really hope you were trying to give everyone on here their first laugh of the morning! Schiano was a dictator and needed to be gone.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:49 am
Yea he did that against prevent defense not a shot nor a compliment but my thing is how I don’t understand how ppl want Glennon here with no real competition. I get it he did have a fair shake and he did show some type of poise to do better then expected. But if u truly believe lovie CAN and WILL go n to this season without a backup plan at QB then u must b smoking the good stuff. If he wins out the battle n camp then he deserves it but if he flops and burns out (which I think n my opinion) u have to have a viable option going forward. U can’t accept the fact your season is over n week 4 that’s sort of what happened thus past year and that tends to get u the Ax or atleast get ppl not believing n u or calling for u head. I Say Trade A 3rd If We Can Trade Down FOR A Mallet An Still Draft A Late Round Pick FOR A garappola Or a Murray or something. It’s all about options and competition no more hand outs the next bucs qb will have earned his spot IM SURE OF THAT….LOVIE TOLD ME AT DINNER LAST NIGHT I GET THE INSIDE SCOOP .
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:51 am
In other news, the sun came out today.
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:55 am
@INDY – it was sarcasm bro
January 23rd, 2014 at 8:56 am
The exact reason Greg walked the plank.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:01 am
I guess that explains why Revis took off the entire final gane against the Saints.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:09 am
@patrick figured but it’s early!
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:15 am
Lovie and all his playoff experience is basically the opposite of (the wet-behind-the-ears) Schiano, so that should have everybody excited. If nothing, else we definitely got the change we were clamoring for.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:22 am
Another example was near the end of the Miami game, when finally the coaches simply said, “go after the QB”. Two consecutive sacks and a hurry-up incomplete pass. Miami called two consecutive time-outs to basically discuss the fact that the Bucs finally showed up to play.
Sadly, the Schiano experiment simply gave opposing teams a light scrimmage, basically and extra Bye week.
Funny that Schiano doesn’t have any interviews lined up. Sad, but funny.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:23 am
Oops, just scrolled down to see Schiano interviewing for Browns. Too bad they aren’t in our division.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:36 am
Apparently, Schiano didn’t have the team practice ‘winning’, either.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:39 am
These are things that should be kept quiet. There are things I’d love to say about past employers but I don’t. Revis comes from Rex Ryan mold. Loves to bring media attention to himself. Idc if schiano created an atmosphere not to his liking. It’s your job. You get paid millions of dollars to complain? Shut up already. Welker hated bellichik and many other players did too.
The bucs were a team filled with quitters when Raheem was fired. This team needed discipline and change.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:40 am
Are the browns dumb enough to sign him? Maybe, but I don’t think so
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:40 am
The Glazers made the adjustments for him. Unfortunately, Napoliano took some good coaches down with him.
Lavonte, took major heat for the late hit on Geno, when he was probably just following the little tyrant’s orders about playing hard to the whistle, head hunting, don’t care, get it done teachings. Dashon probably was caught up in the same thing. Publicly make adjustments and follow the new rules and behind the scene, take them out.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:41 am
We knew this already. Doesn’t shock me either that, first guy to run is mouth. Is the same one the former Head Coach, GM and Ownership; paid a fortune for. :S
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:42 am
Maybe he trades the fifth pick for glennon haha
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:49 am
Sapp Was telling like it; when said this:
“He’s selfish and he’s never been a team player,” Sapp said. “We didn’t win the championship that way. Derrick Brooks and I always cared more about the team than ourselves.”
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:52 am
The game is my wife. It demands loyalty and responsibility, and it gives me back fulfillment and peace.
-Michael Jordan-
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:54 am
Not happening! Interesting last sentence!
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8364/greg-schiano
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:00 am
This outing of Schiano by Revis is both telling and sad. I believe every word of it too.
It reminds me of the old line “The beatings will commence until morale improves”
Back to school Coach, I don’t think he’ll see another NFL job, ever.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:01 am
Control is more important to Schiano than WINNING! I’m glad Revis brought out the truth. Hopefully those who wanted Schiano be convince now rather than after another miserable season. Our ship was already sinking.
It is all BS the notion of everybody can talk to me in my office. My doors are always open. Bull-crap! Let me paint a good picture to the fans. Bull-crap!
Thank you Glazers! We are heading in the right direction.
@Chris – He did some good things developing players in college. But in the NFL were players and coaches are being paid big $$$ “Ws” speak louder than STUBBORNNESS and CONTROL.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:02 am
@Chris, seriously, stop being an idiot.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:25 am
How am I being an idiot? I have no problem schiano being let go. He wasn’t a fit here and declined. Do I think he’s a good football coach? Yes. But hasn’t adapted to the nfl.
I’m happy with lovie but Revis should just let it go. You don’t see Gerald McCoy or Lavonte David with these comments. This is why Revis isn’t and wasn’t a captain. He’s not a leader. He’s a “me guy”.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:26 am
What I find practically impossible to fathom is how can the Owner/owner’s sons get the first two hires right and the last two so terribly wrong?
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:29 am
He didn’t listen to the players, and if he had wouldn’t have known how to implement it anyhow.
Big East to NFL HC way too big a jump no matter what the personality. Was doomed to failure.
I suspect based upon the jettison that rock had a lot to do with this horrific hire.
So glad we got Lovie and the gang now.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:44 am
I have a crazy idea. What if the Bucs sign Vick if he hits free agency AND draft a QB. That way we have 3 good players in competition for a starting job and someone in place in case of injury.
Thoughts?
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:49 am
If you IDIOTS think things will gt better under Lovie and Licht…then call me an IDIOT too, because I’m starting to buy in. Still nervous about the offense, but very seccure where defense is concerned!
And don’t you forgt it, fellow idiots.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:02 am
Bonzai…it can’t be worse that’s for sure.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:05 am
I remember reading an article a few years ago in a business magazine…they asked more than a dozen top CEO’s what was the most important business skill they had learned in their time directing these top companies…the #1 answer was…learning to listen to what those who did the actual work told you about ways to improve the operation! A great Leader (Coach, Boss, President, etc…) should also be a great listener…but so few really are! Someone should have sent Coach Schiano a copy of “7 Habits of Highly Effective People”, or at least introduced him to habit #5…”Seek First to Understand, Then to be Unserstood”! Let’s hope Coach Smith is already familiar with the concept!
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:08 am
Jeagan…I had a boss that used to ask me about once a month what he could do to improve his business.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:43 am
Trade him Glennon and a 4th round pick for the 4th overall pick ! !
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:46 am
Buc1987…That’s great that you had a boss that did that. I think a lot of people believe that you can’t have discipline or be a decisive Leader, and still be open to new ideas and change…but it’s not true. Besides being good listeners, great Leaders stick with what works and change what doesn’t work…sounds like Coach Schiano had a difficult time with the second part of that. Sometimes it’s an ego thing (“It’s my way or the highway!”), sometimes it laziness (Change is too…difficult/disruptive/expensive/etc..) and sometimes it’s just a lack of experience (which may have been the case with Schiano). I wish Coach Schiano well in his future endeavours and I hope he learned a lot from this experience! AND…I hope Coach Smith is wise enough to have already learned some of these lessons!
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:47 am
@Chris: That is the kind of idiocy I am talking about. You say you had no problems with Schiano being let go, but your tone is as if it has to do with shortcomings of players who would not completely buy into his system or personality. Well you have validated my assumption by saying “he is a good football coach”. A good coach is one who can coach players at the level he is in (college or pro). Now Schiano was by no means a players coach, but by “football coach”, do you mean he was a great X’s and O’s guy? Someone that gave us an edge over opponents in strategies and in-game adjustments? He was hardly that. The guy could not even manage the clock properly in games for crying out loud, and it was a weakness he carried from his days at Rutgers.
We have several great individual players, but as a unit we have underperformed on both sides of the ball under him. Revis was not ruthless in his comments, he just pointed out the short comings without any personal insults. Goldson too felt the same and compared Schiano to Singletary, a respectable character, but not capable of being a good coach. Like it or not, players are the biggest asset in pro sports. A coach that cannot work with them is the expendable, not players.
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:54 am
Buc1987,
Is your old boss still in business? Your friend, Mumbles!
January 23rd, 2014 at 11:57 am
@Buc1987 and when did he close his business? joking, but i am hoping that now that Schiano is gone that all problems are now fixed. I hope that every part of the football team is put under scrutiny and corrected.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Where were all the naysayers when the Little General destroyed this team back in training camp two seasons ago?
I felt like I was fighting windmills. Everybody said I didn’t understand organized sports and wanted me banned for pointing out the obvious truths.
Turned out Karl Nicks wasn’t that good of a sprinter although he is being paid Carl Lewis type money. Guaranteed cap money as well.
How butch was that?
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm
@Clowney: Warden of the prison indeed. More like that guy from Shawshank Redemption.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:12 pm
@jeagan1999
He was too insecure to listen, and I really don’t see him ever changing.
I wonder how he treated his coaches?
What did he do to destroy Freeman?
Whether you like it or not, from my perspective, I am not willing to let bygones be bygones. Please, don’t lecture me on dwelling on the past.
I’m going to be 70, and I feel that I can express what I feel.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Chris
One of the best things a manager can do is talk to an ex-employee about what they did not like about a their work place. It is amazing how honest they will be. People do not quit a company, they typically quit their supervisor. Revis is doing Shiano a favor, it may have been nice if he said it in private but maybe he did. This is a public sport, not like your office job. These guys voice their opinions, and the NFL expects them to. Revis is not known by teammates as a “me first” guy, do not hate him for getting paid.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Schiano is from New Jersey, enough said. These northern transplant yankees, especially from New York and New Jersey have always thought their crap does’nt stink, and that they knew more than people from the south. I’ve seen it my whole life. It must be the fast pace of the lifestyles from that northern cesspool. Florida is worse off from the influx of know it all yankees.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:28 pm
@Bonzai
Fellow idiot here,I’m actually starting to beleive it too. Being a Bucs fan is starting to be fun again.
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Father Dungy is from Michigan.
Richard Williamson was from Alabama.
What was that again about “cesspool?”
Civil War was finished nearly 150 years ago. Turn the page, Stonewall.
January 23rd, 2014 at 1:09 pm
Haha, good one Joe
January 23rd, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Lol people still use the word “Yankees” to describe northerners? I hope you’re just trolling….
January 23rd, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Glad he is gone we all need to move on
January 23rd, 2014 at 2:18 pm
Joe Says:
January 23rd, 2014 at 12:41 pm
These northern transplant yankees, especially from New York and New Jersey have always thought their crap does’nt stink, and that they knew more than people from the south. I’ve seen it my whole life. It must be the fast pace of the lifestyles from that northern cesspool. Florida is worse off from the influx of know it all yankees.
Father Dungy is from Michigan.
Richard Williamson was from Alabama.
What was that again about “cesspool?”
Civil War was finished nearly 150 years ago. Turn the page, Stonewall.
Amen
January 23rd, 2014 at 2:51 pm
bee Says
“I have a crazy idea. What if the Bucs sign Vick…”
Oh, good lord. This drives me crazy. Michael Vick has never been a good QB, yet for some reason there are still people who think he has something left in the tank. How can you have what was never there to begin with???
If they bring in Michael Vick, it would be a public relations nightmare. Aside from the whole dog-fighting thing, aside from his being a RB who thws the ball (poorly), he played for the biggest division rival in the greatest era of Bucs football.
I suspect I would not be the only season ticket holder to sell my tickets.
January 23rd, 2014 at 3:06 pm
Only people that are probably surprised by this are the one that think we should dump the entire roster and start over from scratch
January 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
I hear you Miguel or Clowney. These bums don’t no sh!t about football. Give them a full season they will want Lovie’s head too.
I agreed with most of the comments you posted in the past until you linked up with Hawaii 50(the grammar police) and tried to jump me. Then all these maggots jumped you.lol
I’m glad to have you back on board. Finally somebody who knows what the hell there talking about.
January 23rd, 2014 at 9:48 pm
BucNasty!!!,
Still hatin on Glennon? Thought this was a thread about Revis/Schiano?
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:00 pm
“You don’t see Gerald McCoy or Lavonte David with these comments”
I remember McCoy talking about talking to Schiano for WEEKs about stopping the crazy stunts, before he finally listened. And this was DURING the season. Seems to me that the Vets on the team were trying to get the Lil General to listen & change, with no results…is it any wonder that , when asked why things went wrong, they give a truthfull answer? Pros , or not, players are people too, & most don’t respond well to being ignored. Frankly, I’m surprised that a man, like Revis, with all the financial security he could ever want, waited as long as he did to speak out. In my mind that speaks well to his professionalism, that he didn’t try to sabotage the team, just to get rid of Schiano.
January 23rd, 2014 at 10:01 pm
It’s not so much about where your from as it is about your mentality. The line doesn’t divide north and south anymore it runs through most states and follows different directions. The next civil war is going to be a good one.