No Divorce For Dominik-Schiano-Glennon
December 23rd, 2013
Team Glazer can’t divide its team leadership, says Buccaneer Radio Network pre- and post-game host Anthony Becht. It’s either all-in or adios for Greg Schiano and rockstar general manager Mark Dominik.
Becht offered tough talk this morning on WDAE-AM 620, explaining there’s “nothing for us to hang our hat on as a fan base with what went on this year.”
He explained that the 2013 Bucs had (and have) enough talent to accomplish more on the field but noted he’s been on teams where players have mailed in games and prepared for vacations and that’s not evident with the Bucs.
Schiano, Dominik and Mike Glennon are “twined and tied together,” per Becht, and Team Glazer shouldn’t use any sort of line-item veto.
“You can’t keep a head coach and fire a GM and bring a new GM in and keep the same head coach. To me that doesn’t work,” Becht said. “To me they’re all tied together. If it works, they’re all here, if it doesn’t, they’re all gone. So that’s a decision that has to be made moving forward.”
Joe can’t buy in to the unified-GM-Coach-QB theory. The team-building process can evolve fluidly with players, coaches and executives developing, proving their worth and being evaluated independently.
Catch all of Becht’s interview below. He dives into the offensive line and much more.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I completely disagree. Coaches GM’s and QB’s a fired independently of each other all the time. Can’t fire a good coach if the GM is bringing in the goods. Can’t fire a good GM because the coach can’t coach worth a darn. Can’t fire either if the QB decides to mail in his player card.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Of course Joe doesn’t think it’s tied together cause he’s enamored with “rockstar”! Jeez just burn everything down! Burn it all! lets just start over get it right and be dominant for 10-15 years please!
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
The hottest seat at OBP better be Dominick.
He has had 5 years, but we are stuck on repeat.
Let Schiano have another stellar draft, apart from the Rock Star, and we will see the truth.
Why didn’t we trade Freeman during the offseason, when we could have received COMPENSATION… Whoever DECIDED that is the goner: Dominick has final personell say. Was he too proud to let go of the 2009 draft? The common denominator in our level of suckage: the GM.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
I think we should give Freeman another chance. Maybe bring the Grudens as HC and OC. Lovie Smith can be our DC.
Gruden will get the most out of Freeman. He throws an outstanding deep ball. The kid is movable and is able to hit the target between the numbers. He has a great ZIP on his mid and deep balls. The kid just needs the right personnel around him. And who cares if he is late every once in a while.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
I’m more then happy with all three being gone. They all have glaring weaknesses that don’t cover for one another. Dominick is good at signing ppl and contracts but has a mixed bag of those working out. Schiano is good at finding talent but a terrible in game and adjustment coach. Glennon knows the game plan but is not a gamebreaker so everythinghas to go perfect for him to be above average. Need to burn this bich down. Were last in the division when it comes to gm coach and qb. With this trio in place last place finishes are going to be the norm. Better get used to it.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
I completely agree. All three must go or we will be here next year as well. book it. Schiano is not changing, Dom has made some big draft picks but his mistakes are as big as his hits. and sorry guys, but Glennon is not a franchise quarterback never was. You can see it. He can’t put the game on his shoulders and win. A trait that is needed in this NFL. it is a quarterback league like it or not. the rules say so and the teams in the playoffs say so.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
There is NO reason to keep schiano. None! We beat 4 bad teams. We lost to last place teams. We have no qb of the future. Please Mr Glazer, show me you care. Someone explain to me how you can be this bad EVERY 2nd half of the year.
Have you ever heard a coach spin things and make more excuses than schiano. He may survive, but he shouldn’t
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
@Knuckknbuc – I’m with you.
When you look at our division we desperately need upgrades or we will own the basement for years to come.
The Glazers need to get a head of the game and start cleaning house asap.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Glazers purge the system top to bottom. There is no optimism with this group going into next year.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Fire them all and let God sort them out.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Its pretty hilarious how often Joe beat the Johnny Football drum, conveniently ignoring he fact that he would die behind that offensive line. 1st rounder should be a no doubter now. Draft Lewan or Matthews, kick Penn inside, cut Nicks and either do the same with Joseph or restructure his deal. But this line isn’t good enough to win much in this league.
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Nicks – IR
Martin – IR
Williams – IR
James – IR
Barth – IR
Adams – IR
Freeman – Mental IR
One-third of the offenses starting line-up gone, and the team still has depth issues. The “trio” will be back for 2014, but will the fans?
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Some good news, we are now guaranteed at least the 8th overall pick. Best case scenario is the 3rd overall pick. If we beat the Saints, we stay at no. 8. However, if we lose then we will move down one spot for each game that the following teams win: Atlanta, Minnesota, Oakland, Jacksonville, and Cleveland. Minnesota and Oakland have the best chances of winning their games out of this group. What are your predictions for our draft slot? I’m thinking 7th overall.
Joe will have a draft update after tonight’s Falcons-Niners game.–Joe
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm
At this point I don’t what to think or feel, this is just been a long 5 years and it’s been a bad relationship with this organization.
It may be better if we just divorce, no answers on fixing this mess. It’s actually curbed my football appetite.
At this time I don’t feel any kind of way with the Bucs. I just beat down with losing. I use to travel to see them and get close seats, I even started my wife to doing it and unfortunately we can’t endorse this product of football.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm
I’ll take it a step further. Glazers, not only clear the entire house, but take the football hiring out of your hands by hiring a VP or even a consultant to find the new regime.
As evidence, I point to your last two hires of Morris and Schiano, plus hiring a first time ever GM (who’s now 28-51). Did the old man hire Gruden? I just don’t trust the Glazer kids anymore.
Or sell to Eddie D.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
This franchise really changed when Malcomb got sick and the boys took over. If you look back at the films of the Superbowl celebrations at the stadium and victory parade, nobody was having more fun and was more proud than Malcomb. He made some bold moves to win the big one and he did. Then got sick. Maybe it’s time for the boys to do some of the same and get their billion dollar franchise out of the doldrums again. Clean house now or it will just keep getting dirtier
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I don’t think I can stomach another offseason with the endless praise for Rockstar and his “steals”, followed by how great we look in practice.
Then the predictable regular season meltdown.
Had enough of it.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:25 pm
If the owners decide to let Schiano and Dom go, the time is right. New coach and GM will have a high draft pick for QB of future. Plus we have some nice pieces on both sides of the ball already. We have Revis who we can cut at any time and become a player in FA (17m extra spending cash don’t hurt). We have two probowl players on D too. Lets not forget the possibility of a new coach bringing in a DC that knows what he is doing and a replacement OC for Sully who might take Army job. So my point is there is a lot of interesting options that come along with the job. And for an added bonus FL is a nice place to live with no state taxes…lol.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
“Glazers, not only clear the entire house, but take the football hiring out of your hands”
Hello !!! They OWN the TEAM. They’re not going to do this…no matter what YOU may think of them. They’re gonna do whatever they feel best, based on THEIR knowledge of what’s gone on behind closed doors. Nothing you think or say will change ANY of that….EVER. Of course, that all applies to me, and most everyone else, too. You own the business, you make the choices, really quite simple. With the TV deals that have been in place since the start of this franchise, there has been absolutely no financial incentive for a team to put a competitive product on the field. As far as I’m concerned, the Glazers have done that. Ask Atlanta fans if they would prefer that flashy offense over a Super Bowl Win. THEY chose the Coach that got that win for us, whether you think it’s Gruden , or Dungy.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
If this coach is kept ill just take my money and time to jax its closer for me anyway and they have a better coach and a qb away
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Agree.
The Glazers are at the very least, equally culpable in the teams ongoing failure.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
This is not one of those posts that call the Glazers cheap or not committed to winning. But I do have to call attention to the fact that because they are not media-driven or seek public attention, that would lead some fans to question their interest in winning.
They rarely make public statements, doesn’t appear to be intimately involved in day-to-day operations ala Jerry Jones. You never see at game cameo booth shots of them as we see of kraft or Snyder, and they don’t give after game interviews.
I say all of this to say it is very difficult to predict what they will do after the season. They just don’t tip their hand one way or another. How sensitive they are to public opinion is hard to tell based on prior organizational changes.
Buc Fans, the truth is we don’t know what they’re going to do and it seems that’s the way they prefer it!
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Some excellent suggestions, but the lunacy is likely to extend.
Amazingly, they now suddenly seem tone deaf to complaints from the fans about the direction of the team.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm
How about Jay Gruden? Since becoming OC of Bengals they have made playoffs each year. Plus his brother wasn’t too shabby as a coach and he is a Tampa boy.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:48 pm
“Mike Glennon gives the Bucs the best chance to win”!
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:57 pm
The Glazers need to do some soul searching. They purged our roster, and routinely underspent leading towards the lock out.
Now, if Schiano is ousted, Dominick better be right along with him.
The Rock Star is not a rock star at all, Joe, 2010 was eons ago.
We need a GM that can produce a 10+sack DE, TE with skills, and a legit O-Line.
Brutal is as brutal does, and Dom is completely brutal as our GM.
December 23rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Glennon is not the problem. Poor kid is consistently in 3rd and 10 because of a terrible offensive scheme with no targets and one of the most overrated OLs I’ve every had the displeasure of watching. It actually speaks volumes of how good Glennon can be. No other QB in this league would look good under those type of circumstances.
December 23rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Hope it’s not true….dominick competent but he trusted Morris on the Freeman call. Schiano a dolt….can him.
December 23rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Tackleblockwin, a couple things in response to your posts:
1. I believe the second year of Revis’ contract is guaranteed, so he’s definitely staying next season. Besides, he’s played great all season long with the exception of two plays (one against Fitz and one against Ginn). He’s still rated out as one of the best CBs in the league, so he’s not going anywhere.
2. If Schiano gets fired, I think Jay Gruden is one of the very few coaches I’d be happy about. I feel like everyone gets excited over far too many coaches who have their obvious flaws as well, but Jay Gruden has been successful everywhere he’s gone. He has been outstanding in Cincy with a largely average QB, one stud WR, and no depth at WR or TE (along with BJGE as his RB before Gio came on). Before that, he won a bunch of Arena League titles as both a QB and coach (I realize it’s Arena League, but at least it’s head coaching experience for several seasons at a pro level). By all accounts, he has been very well liked and respected everywhere he’s been. He would at least bring an offensive mind to a team that badly needs one, and a good DC would enable him to focus on that side of the ball like his brother did during his tenure here.
December 23rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
I’M SORRY, BUT IT ALL STARTS AT THE TOP, IF THE GLAZERS CAN’T DO ANY BETTER IN HIRING A COACH AND GM THE TEAM WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME OLE SAME OLE ,SO WHAT DO WE GOT TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
THIS TEAM NEEDS A PROVEN COACH THAT DONE REAL GOOD IN THE NFL, NOT COLLEGE AND SAME FOR THE GM, THEN THE PEOPLE WILL GIVE HIM MORE TIME OTHER THEN SOME ONE OUT OF COLLEGE LIKE SCHIANO. IF THEY FIRE SCHIANO THEY BETTER GET A COACH THAT HAS NFL EXP. OR WE WILL BE IN THE SAME BOAT AGAIN AND GONING IN CIRCLES…….
December 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm
I’m really starting to think either Schiano or Dominink (or both) will be gone after the season. I think Schiano will get a third year, but someone has to fall on the sword for what has been a brutal 2013 season.
Perhaps Joe would be better qualified to answer, but how much of the last two drafts was Schiano and how much was Dominik? I’m sure it was a ‘team’ effort, but since Schiano was hired, the drafts have taken a turn for the better. If the rumors of Schiano not wanting Freeman from the start or wanting to trade Freeman during the offseason are true, I think Dominik will take the fall since Freeman was his (and Raheem’s) guy.
Only one more week or so until we find out what happens.
December 23rd, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Mvermulm,
Thanks for the info, i was unaware any part of Revis’s contract was guaranteed. I think Revis is a great player too, especially now that he is getting healthy. Don’t think Jay Gruden would take Tampa job based on the way ownership fired his brother, but I think he would be a great HC. All in all, the HC job in Tampa IMO is one of the most desirable for a job hunter. This job has many enticing elements. Lets just hope our owners (if they decide to redirect this team) get it right this time.
December 23rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Since Dominick has taking over for Bruce Allen we only had one winning season and We haven’t seen the playoffs…. He should be fired on that alone, shiano has to go too… Me as a bucs fan for 20yrs…. Seen better coaches get canned for less…. If they are not gone it will be hard for me to get excited about next season…. We should start a pettition so that the glazer family know how true buc fans feel
December 23rd, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Tampa2ali, Dom also took over a team that was in cap hell, was given a HC that was a DBs coach a week earlier, and was told he was not allowed to spend money for at least two years until after the lockout. He essentially started his own plan last year when they fired Raheem and hired Schiano (how good of an idea that was can obviously be argued).
What has Bruce Allen done in Washington short of give away a ton of picks for a QB who has now caused his own coach/QB situation, have one of the worst defenses in football, and a horrific offensive as well?
December 23rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I like what Becht has to say here…we need a new day in Tampa Bay. It stinks like a rotten fish from the head down. I don’t think the Brothers Amish will do it, however. Bucs have become junior varsity in their eyes vs Man U. It probably hasn’t helped that when they did open the free agent checkbook, things went sideways. Wright was a debacle, Nicks is damned to injured reserve and Goldson is marked and pretty much obsolete in today’s NFL. Fun times…
December 23rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm
mike n Says:
December 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
There is NO reason to keep schiano. None! We beat 4 bad teams. We lost to last place teams. We have no qb of the future. Please Mr Glazer, show me you care. Someone explain to me how you can be this bad EVERY 2nd half of the year.Have you ever heard a coach spin things and make more excuses than schiano. He may survive, but he shouldn’t
You know what Mike you are correct, no one deserves anything let alone this bunch. Assuming the Saints have to try that means this organization will have won 4 of their last 22 games. What possibly can fans look at outside of 5-6 players on this team as positive? Someone said cut Revis earlier? My God lol.
I am still hoping Schiano is fired now why wait? Let’s get a jump on the interviewing process. Hire a really succesful retired ex Green Bay GM to lead the search as a consultant .. hint hint. The best CEO’s and Fortune 500 companies do it all the time. Your goal as a succesful organization is to retain current customers(season tix holders) and sign new ones. Can you see much of either happening with a these 3 going into next year? Glennon gets look warm reviews mostly as asolid fill in guy and a back up not someone a franchise should hang their hat on.
December 23rd, 2013 at 5:00 pm
“Independently” means rock can never be blamed for his own win/loss record.
Never has been here anyway.
December 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Keep them, I willing to see another year. Yeah – I said it, but I mean it.
December 23rd, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Becht speaks from experience. If you bring in a top GM or HC, they’re going to want their own staff.
I don’t think the Glazers will fire Dom or Schiano but they’re on thin ice and the Week 1 in 2014′ is a must win.
December 23rd, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Rock Paper Scissors
December 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
OK, for over 30 years I have supported this team with my $$$ and my heart. I want a divorce. I am done. I am sick and tired of “waiting till next year” and trying to defend why I follow this hapless team. If management doesn’t care enough to put a respectable product on the field, why should I continue to throw my hard earned $$$ at them? I watched the Eagles game last night —– so interesting, exciting, etc. Haven’t felt that way about the Bucs forever. And I hate the Eagles.
December 23rd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
mvermulm,
There are no guarantees in Revis contract. It is year to year. Because he is a vested veteran, if he is on the 53 roster for the week 1 game of the 2014 season his salary becomes guaranteed for the remainder of that year.
December 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 pm
” I watched the Eagles game last night —– so interesting, exciting, etc.”
The interesting thing is that people think Chip Kelly brought his Oregon offense to Philly. He did, but it didn’t work, he made adjustments and after going 1-3, he started winning.
That’s what happens when you hire an offensive minded coach.
The Bengals have scored 40+ points for four consecutive games, in December, when it counts. No whining or excuses. Scoreboard!
Time to send the Little General back to college and bring the Prodigal Son, Jay Gruden, back home.
December 23rd, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Becht forgets the switch from McCay to Allen.
Bucs didn’t fire McCay, but I always felt he left because of the salary cap mess he had built up.
December 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 pm
No to Jay Gruden…unless it is as OC, which would not happen.
December 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Winston, I think you are getting impatient in your old age 😉
Come now…the Glazers are 1000% better than the Culverhouse era.
December 24th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Exhibit A: The NFC West, and where they were when we started this fruitless rebuild. Look where this teams are now.
Fire them all.