Greg Schiano “Probably” Has Fate Sealed
December 16th, 2013
theMMQB’s Peter King seems to have a pulse on the immediate future of Bucs commander Greg Schiano.
Joe is trying not to get too worked up over the punch-out the 49ers delivered to the Bucs yesterday. Joe expected a chain-whipping because, on paper, the match-ups were dismal-looking for the Bucs. So Joe is tying to be reasoned here.
As Tuna Parcells famously said, “You are what your record says you are.” The Bucs are among the NFL’s bottom-feeders. The 49ers, the defending NFC champs, are swimming in the cream. Joe won’t lose much sleep over one of the best beating one of the worst.
Sadly, the loss threw kindling on the fire of the torches of the anti-Bucs commander Greg Schiano crowd. Joe understands this. But perhaps it is misguided?
While fielding NFL questions on Twitter this morning, fight-instigating, barista-training, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball box score-reading Peter King of SI.com and theMMQB.com fame once again weighed in on his belief that Schiano will return in 2014.
@pnq33: What will be Greg Schiano’s fate after the season?
@SI_PeterKing: Probably already been determined. Barring disaster, think he returns.
That’s the key phrase there, “barring disaster.” If the Bucs didn’t get blown out by the 49ers, they shouldn’t get blown out by the Lambs on the road. Getting alley-beaten by the Saints under the dome in the Crescent City is a very real possibility.
Yes, the Lambs pounded the Saints yesterday, which Joe cannot reason with. Outside of the Jets, the next most Sybil-like team in the NFL is the Lambs. Barring a Raheem Morris-like beatdown by the Lambs, “this Joe” is pretty confident, like King, Schiano returns in 2014.
December 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I’d hate to see the consulation prize to this “win”. Feels like a wasted year forthcoming. I loved the 80’s but I’m pretty sure I don’t want to relive them Buc-wise.
December 16th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
I dont know who the problem is or if its because of these coaches or Schiano or what. Sully’s offense was downright pathetic. I don’t really want to hear injuries and crap like that. The scheme was awful. No adjustments. No screens, no quick slants,nothing. Our O-Line was crap. Total crap. Now, think about this. Just last year Sully had a sweet Top 10 offense that was growing. Bolstad put together an O Line largely comprised of your local mechanics. It was amazing. This happened under Schiano too. The defense was improved and now the Offense has regressed sharply. I don’t know what to think.
It’s not easy to forget Monte Kiffin and everything he did for us in Tampa right? Well, let me tell you something. His defense is putrid in Dallas. Those guys suck. Would anyone dare call Kiffin’s scheme into question? Would you say he doesn’t know what he’s doing? No. I would say he needs a few years to get guys in there that can fit into that defensive scheme. From our perspective, I like where our defense is going and next year I can see a much more effective and healthy Revis. Revis has been really good even less than 100% this year. It’s our crap ass offense that worries me. Glennon is okay and he might get much better. For now, I am more than fine with him as our starter but I am going to end with these 3 words. DRAFT A QUARTERBACK. (AKA DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL), if possible.
December 16th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
i just don’t think the Glazers want to make a change…I think this is all following a plan they set in motion and, for the exception of a few close games early..the record wouldn’t be that bad.
I do think there will be some changes with the coordinators.
Someone has to be fired and to be made accountable for the record and if its not Schiano or Dominick….it will be Sully and possibly Sheridan…
December 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Iam with you on that jonbuc…If Shiano returns we probably can look forward to another hard working team that loses more than it wins. I was sold on Glennon, but I am starting to wonder there as well. This offense is painful to watch. I would love to see the Bucs hire an experienced NFL coach. I cannot beleive that 4 or 5 wins can justify this guy returning. I also think he has more to do with the offense than some think, he sure seemed involved when he was miked up. How does Sully have the offense ranked 9th a year ago, and now they cannot score to save their lives. This is pure crap! I say fire him as soon as the season ends, so we have time to court the good coaches. It really does not matter if the team quites or not if they cannot win a more than four or five games.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Oh,and all the drama from Freeman and MRSA are just tired excuses that should not matter at this point. The team still has not improved much since he left. Miami had drama and seem to be putting it behind them. SHiano needs to go, period, end of story!
December 16th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Look at how happy Gregory looks in that picture–it’s like he just won a medal at the Special Olympics.
He really does kind of look like Corky from that show Life Goes On in that pic.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I get that Sully gets blamed for the offense completely sucking. But the run, run, pass on third and long looks just like Rutgers when Schiano was there. To me Schiano has done nothing for this team this year. If they lose out he will have the same record as Raheem his last year and he has much more talent. Think about that for a minute.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
The problem I have with Schiano and the current staff is their offensive game plan appears to be predicated on not making mistakes instead of scoring. This is especially true if we have just the smallest of leads.
Glennon is problematic (10 game rookie), but he’s not the problem. Glennon had two long scoring drives that looked impressive to me and that throw to Vincent Jackson was franchise material. Glennon looked most comfortable yesterday when running the hurry up offense before half time, yet our first play on offense to start the second half was Rainey up the middle for no gain. Part of our problem on third down is not getting much out of 1st and 2nd down. Dare I say this looks eerily familiar regardless of the QB or the RB.
Schiano is a throw-back defensive-minded coach that doesn’t seem to realize that today’s NFL game is all about passing and scoring. Our losses are all about offense and this staff doesn’t seem to know what a screen pass or a roll out is and can never stop one when the other team runs one.
I’ve come to the conclusion that it is just a Schiano mindset and it’s not going to change anytime soon. You saw it in 2012, you saw it yesterday, and you will see it in 2014 if Schiano is coach. I’ve accepted the fact that the Glazers will most likely take the windfall TV money starting in 2014 and bring Schiano back despite many threats to never buy season tickets again. My opinion, we will get more of the same. We will win some big games, but we will never win big!
December 16th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
He is and should be back – not that he has done the best job – but he deserves a full season with a consistent, trustworthy QB and his defense intact.
OLine (decisions on Nicks, Joseph and RT) and DLine (pass rushers) must be addressed this offseason.
I do not believe that Dom can be trusted with those decision – not saying fire him just relocate him to a cap/contract position and allow the player acquisition decisions to the football men.
If those things are handled properly, the team should be a playoff contender in 2014 with Schiano.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
“Joe won’t lose much sleep over one of the best beating one of the worst.”
That’s the problem, we shouldn’t be “one of the worst”.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
If Thomas is predicting playoffs under Gregory, you can bet this team only gets three wins next year.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Thmas, how come you did not beleive the same thing with Morris?
December 16th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Maybe Mr. King should have sit through one of the eight games,before making a comment.
December 16th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
if schiano’s coming back hopefully they announce it immediately so it gives me time to find another team to root for because short of winning the division and going to the playoffs 2014 would be a waste and im tired of rooting for my favorite players when ownership and front office are the one’s causing the issue mroe than players….until drew brees came to the division the bucs were the only ones to win the lombardi trophy, which proves it takes one player to turn around a franchise if your smart enough to choose the right players or coach…father dungy make both teams he coached playoff contenders regardless of payton manning being the quarterback he gets credit…..i’d rather have the impatient owners like before who were ready to win now instead of whatever they have become
December 16th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Ugh…moreso because it means Teflon sticks around.
I guess the upside is we might suck again bad enough to draft Winston.
December 16th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
LOL!!!
December 16th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
If the Glazers actually care about building a competitive team they should pull the plug on Schiano project. Begin the coaching/GM search before the season ends. Don’t wait until the end of the season and all the good candidates have been acquired or are in negotiations.
If anybody thinks this sh*t show is going to get better next year. You’ve got to be very gullible. Stop the weekly clown show.
December 16th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Tony Dungy was fired after a 9-7 season and Gruden after two 9-7 seasons. Raheem after a 4-12. So the Glazer’s are going to keep Schiano around after a 7-9 and realistically at best 5-11??
December 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
He has got to go!!!!
We have a 3 game streak and all of a sudden hes vince lombardi.
Plenty of spending, high draft picks, and revis island and he can’t get it done. After a year and a half, he says he is adapting. Chip kelly, who ever the chargers coach is and marc trestman didn’t need that long nor do they have as good a roster and they all are playoff bound or in the hunt. This guy is a joke and yesterday showed how far away we are. Thats what happens when this guy goes up against playoff caliber teams.
December 16th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
If this is true, why should I bother renewing my season tickets?
December 16th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Bitch, bitch, bitch and yet, Tampa Bay is not even on Mike Sando’s ESPN blog list of the 5 most disappointing teams this year.
December 16th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I don’t think Schiano is a good coach but I think we should give him one more year. I believe his outdated coaching style won’t work in today’s ‘win now’ NFL.
December 16th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
I’m not so impatient. Get some weapons for Glennon, Shore up the O-line, get a new OC and let’s see how next year goes. If it doesn’t work out then we move on but anyone who thinks we should be winning games against good teams with this O-line and this cast of receivers and RB’s is delusional.
December 16th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
When I first started reading this site I thought there was one “Joe”. Now it seems there are several and I know that after listen to your radio segment you guys don’t all agree. As an avid reader I would prefer you guys using your real names. Perhaps I’m in the minority on that but I feel it could create a lot of contradicting statements between articles and such.
If Schiano loses out, which is a real possibility, I don’t see the justification in bringing him back. Schiano, Rockstar, or both need to go.
There are two Joes and they agree 91% of the time. Just roll with it. –Joe
December 16th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
My feeling changed from undecided to Schiano has to be fired at the end of the season. There are 2 reasons:
1. This team is still playing hard. But if this team is playing with great effort, and it is, why are there not better results? Because he gets out coached every game.
2. I keep hearing quotes like just do your job, nothing more. Just don’t turn it over. I know it was third and 8 but I am supposed to go through my progressions (seriously? when you know that dump off won’t work?) Coach Schiano is forcing the offense to drive with the brakes on. I believe everything on offense is geared to not turn the ball over and as a result, we played scared. We even play call defensively. I want to see this offense attack and put a little scare into the other team. Understand that we will make some mistakes, but learn to grow from them.
For those two reasons, I will not be returning after 28 years unless a change is made. It is just not worth the emotional investment.
December 16th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
@ruggyup
Yes we did not make sando’s list! That’s bc we didn’t disappoint. The national media said we would win 4 to 6 games and finish last in the south. They said we had no qb and a college coach. We thought the national media was clueless and we would go to the playoffs.
They were right…. we sucked as they said we would.
We were wrong… we thought choppin wood was a “proven” method.
December 16th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Rams got a defense. This isn’t going to be easy.
December 16th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
That defense is only a DE away from being very special. The offense will just need to be average and Glennon is perfect for that kind of setup. Things r looking up for bucs country.
December 16th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
If the Glazers make the mistake of bringing Schiano back for another season and force another horrible, lost season on Bucs fans again, next year Ray Jay will look like a Ghost Town
December 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
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December 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
I think if they bring him back they are jockeying to sell the team.
December 16th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
“if schiano’s coming back hopefully they announce it immediately so it gives me time to find another team to root for”
Joe found that funny?
I find it funny too, but only laughing at you. How does a guy with a username buc4lyfe make a statement like that?
You sir are pathetic!
December 16th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
buc4lyfe…who are you going to call yourself next?
Jets4Lyfe?
No pick a really good team. So when they go through some losing years, you can always leave them too and root for some other team again.
Just don’t come back to mine.
December 17th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Yea let’s bring him back! Double digit losses. Poor talent evaluation. Worst offense. Most penalized team. This sounds like a winning formula to me!
What kind of franchise have we become? We regress and we think we should stay the course? We are getting ready to have the Rutgers guy as our o-coord and then everyone will really be frpthing at the mouth to run this staff out of here but by then it will be another lost season, another year of no playoffs, and another year of wasted talent from GMC, David, Revis, Vjack, etc…
The media members and fan base wanting this guy to return are bigger losers than the team.