Golf Clap For Mike Glennon
November 19th, 2013
Former Bucs scout, Jets linebackers coach under Monte Kiffin, Jets pro personnel director and current CBS NFL insider and co-host of “Movin’ the Chains,” heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, Pat Kirwan, has been down on the Bucs most of the year.
He frowned upon some offseason moves and was highly critical of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik — who he likes — for not replacing Michael Bennett, and he’s never been overly enamored with Bucs commander Greg Schiano.
The tide, however, may be turning. In a CBSSports.com column, Kirwan, who was a big fan of former franchise quarterback, sleepy, leaky Josh Freeman, has had an epiphany of sorts.
After Glennon roasted the Dixie Chicks defense Sunday, Kirwan seems to now be all in on Glennon.
1. Good call by the Bucs
The Tampa Bay Bucs were criticized for releasing QB Josh Freeman. A young QB with size, a strong arm and who threw 27 touchdown passes in 2012 and 80 scoring passes over 60 games doesn’t get cut in a league starving for quarterbacks.
But the Bucs saw something in Mike Glennon, and the 6-foot-6, 24-year-old is getting better every week. Sunday’s win over Atlanta was his second straight; neither Geno Smith nor EJ Manuel has managed to string together consecutive wins.
Glennon has thrown 248 passes with 11 touchdowns and only four interceptions. Watching Glennon go 20 for 23 with two TDs and no picks vs. Atlanta was impressive. Don’t be surprised if Glennon winds up leading rookie QBs in TD passes and finishing with at least 20.
Can you imagine if Freeman was still behind center and all the hand-wringing and screaming and yelling and bellowing that would still be going on? Joe can just about promise the Bucs would have quit on Schiano if Rip Van Freeman was still here.
Is Joe sold that Glennon is the franchise quarterback? No, but Joe is nonetheless impressed with Glennon. He has made strides.
Why not draft a quarterback in the first round? Schiano likes competition, right? Glennon buys the kid (ahem Johnny Football) time to get acclimated to the NFL and if the rookie is a bust, Glennon is a great safety net. Who knows, the rookie may even push Glennon to be better.
That’s what Joe calls a win-win.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
You dont draft a QB in the first round if you think Glennon is the guy. We need Defensive Ends that can actually apply pressure to the opposing QBs more than we need a new QB to replace Glennon. Besides, we will likely fall lower in the draft order as we continue to rack up wins with the improved running game and efficiency with time of possession. Really looking forward to seeing Revis vs Megatron on Sunday. Go Bucs!
November 19th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I am sure the Mike Glennon mob is salivating to see Joe back off the “Glennon is not the answer” talk. This guy look better than any other rookie QB this year.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Isn’t this the same idiot that last week said Schiano not getting a Gatorade shower was evidence the players did not like him? Again that was the stupidest comment I’ve ever heard and will never listen to another word he says.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I agree with your Johnny Football love Joe! If we have a chance to get him we should but if hes not there we need to go Defense. Maybe Anthony Barr or Clowney. We need a pass rush
November 19th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If you think about all the QB’s in the league that have stepped up from backup positions this year, there may be some nice free agents availble too.. Depending on how glennon performs the rest of the year, if he shows he can win we could bring in a Nick Foles or Kase Keenum type guy for competition.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
pass rush .. pass rush … pass rush.. pass rush… pass rush…
November 19th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
I disagree, Joe. I’d go ALL defense in this draft DE, CB, OLB, S. one or two of each in that order. Get a free agent TE or Wideout and a veteran QB to tutor Glennon. All I see in this draft is the second coming of Ryan Leaf!
November 19th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
tight end and pass rush are huge needs in this upcoming draft. if glennon finishes out the season with solid play and no meltdowns ala Rip Van Freeman (lol), then we should devote our first rounder to a premier pass rusher. if a top 5 qb slips to the 2nd round, then grab him. but like I said, we also need a tight end who can be an asset in the pass AND run game.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Johnny Football Joe? Sigh!
November 19th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
If Glennon continues to play/progress the way he has the past 7 games; 62% Completion, 11 TDs, 4 INTs, 1535 yds; then why would you feel the need to draft a QB, when holes along both lines, the secondary and WR depth, could be filled.
I was OK with the Glennon pick, and now that I’ve seen him play, there’s one thing about him that impresses more than anything else, he doesn’t make the same mistake twice. The first game or two, there were a couple of plays were he was forcing the ball, but in the past 3 games, I’ve seen him very smartly throw the ball away. Also, there aren’t too many times when I’ve seen him play, I’ve thought to myself “that was a rookie mistake”.
I’m not sure he’ll be a Brady/Rogers/Manning/Brees type, but I don’t think he has to be. What he will need, is more talent around him, instead of someone else on the bench, that some fans/media will be saying should play, the moment Glennon throws an INT.
Of course if Glennon goes all crap-tastic the last 6 games of the season, then by all means, draft a QB in the 1st Round, just not Johnny Football.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
I don’t want that crack head on this team –
November 19th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
I just can’t see Manziel having any impact in the NFL. Some losing team will get him and stay losers. His height and attitude won’t cut it in the pros.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Yup I see NO slam dunk “franchise QB’s” in the draft. Talented guys, but no slam dunks. No locks , no guarantees.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Architek Says:
I don’t want that crack head on this team –
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Another guy who likes his camp sleep!
November 19th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Johnny Football will be a bust. And besides, is he really a “Buccaneer” man? Can’t give Freeman grief and then turn right around and draft a clear me-first guy.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I agree with everything that ED said.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Gotta agree with Ed. DE and CB for defense and get a TE and slot WR for Glennon. If the BPA is an OL just do it.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
adamant Says
“You dont draft a QB in the first round if you think Glennon is the guy.”
Okay, even if Glennon does well the rest of the year, how do you know he’s “the guy”?
I swear either half of you haven’t been Bucs fans long or your memory is extremely short. Sean King was “the guy”…how did that work out? Or Erickson? Or Chris Simms? I could go on and on with “the guys” who had one good year and sucked afterward.
You might say there is no sure thing with a draft pick either? By taking a QB in the first round we improve our chances of finding an elite franchise QB by 50%. Instead of hoping Glennon isn’t a one year wonder, we have avery solid fall back plan.
And make no mistake…Tampa NEEDS an elite QB. This division is becoming one of the toughest in the league. Just having a good game manager isn’t going to accomplish anything…just ask the team that werein the same divisionas the colts and pats for years.
The NFC South is becoming the equivalent. Does anyone really think Matt Ryan is as bad as he seems this year? Hemay be having a bad year but he’ll turn it around next year.
Cam Newton is playing lights out, and we all know how good Brees is.
The days when a top defense could win championships with an average offense aregone thanks to the new rules. Tampa must have an elite QB to contend…unless you are happy with simple going one and done? Or barely missing the playoffs?
November 19th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
clowney is the guy they need if he is available their is no way i would pass on the next julius peppers. also i would try to trade for a good vet qb so he can compete against glennon., bucs better not make the mistake that they did with freeman which was to give him the job and back him up with a below average qb that wouldnt help him develop.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Not sure that Joe’s suggestion to draft “Johnny Football” is such a good one. While I don’t know much about Manziel, I do know he has been plagued by some behavior problems:
— June 29, 2012 – Manziel was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors—disorderly conduct, failure to identify, and possession of a fictitious driver’s license.
— During the 2013 offseason, Manziel drew significant media attention over his behavior off the field.[64] Notable incidents include his early departure from the Manning Passing Academy after allegedly oversleeping,[65] tweeting that he “can’t wait to leave College Station” after receiving a parking ticket,[66] and getting kicked out of a University of Texas fraternity party.[67] An ESPN The Magazine article revealed his parents’ concerns about his dealings with his newfound stardom.
–On August 4, 2013, ESPN reported that the NCAA was investigating whether Manziel accepted payments from autographs that he had signed in January 2013. The NCAA did not find any evidence that Manziel accepted money for the autographs, but reached an agreement with Texas A&M to suspend him for the first half of the season opener against Rice University, due to an “inadvertent violation” of NCAA rules
That on a par with the antics of Aqib Talib. Given his parents’ concern about how Johnny Football “is dealing with his newfound stardom,” I don’t believe another player with discipline problems is something Tampa can afford to deal with at this juncture in the team’s development.
Let Manziel pass and grab a pass rusher, a tight end, an offensive lineman, or a defensive back in the first round. Then grab another later round QB to push Glennon. Manziel isn’t the answer unless he grows up an awful lot but then it’s still a crap shoot, one the Bucs can ill afford.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
First round picks, and (likely) top 10 picks at that should not be wasted on luxury picks. Drafting a QB should only happen is Glennon falls apart down the stretch. Otherwise the Bucs pass rush is still terrible, the secondary still needs help and the overall depth must improve. Drafting a QB in the first round after Glennon shows he’s capable would be a huge waste. Besides if you want competition its a QB rich draft, you can find good competition in the 4th round.
November 19th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
IF Glennon shows the promise of a franchise caliber QB (I think his ceiling is Joe Flacco/Matt Ryan) then you don’t draft a QB in the first 4 rds for the sake of competition. We need DE, TE, WR, OL.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Sorry, Joe, but I somewhat disagree. ‘If’ Glennon continues to improve, the drafting of a QB, in the first round, would be a win/lose (at best). But if Glennon turns out to be a ‘franchise’ type of QB, then the Bucs need to get first-round help on the D-line (maybe even second-round also). An O-lineman would not be out of line for a first or second pick either.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Agree, agree, agree!!! Draft a QB. We have to KNOW we have a franchise QB and next draft is hopefully going to be our last in a while of having a high draft pick. We need a lot of positions filled, I know. But without a TOP flight QB, the other positions do not matter.
It is money in the bank. If Glennon is great, the Bucs can always recoup the pick by trading him – maybe even make a little on the deal.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
I say build the defense up. I don’t care that Brees, Cam and Ryan are in the division. They won’t be all that good against us if they are lying on their backs most of the game.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Harry…who is that “money in the bank” QB coming out in the draft, and why?
November 19th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Just to rub some salt in the wound that is called Freemonites. I find it very curious, that after investing millions in Free so the Vikings could “have a closer look” at Frees potential, Free is still at the bottom of the depth chart. What, was 4 years of game tape not available? Stupid. But it demonstrates how coaches think – “I can coach him up…”
Not only that, but since they have benched Ponder, and tried Cassel (again!) with the same pitiful results, the Vikes still seem to dread plugging in Leaky Free. Too funny!
November 19th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Bonazi LOL I love how you leave Vinny (Heisman Trophy 1st overall pick) out of your “the guy” equation.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai…no our memories are fine. It’s you who can’t remember Brad Johnson leading the offense in a Super Bowl win. Defense in round one then get a good TE for Glennon or a deep threat WR to take some of the heat off Jackson. If Glennon is a good game manager who can put points on the board we don’t need a QB in round one.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Glennon is growing on me. I used to think he is a serviceable backup but if we notch some wins against some better teams and Glennon continues to play well then I would consider still grabbing a QB if one of the elite prospects is still available at our pick. If not a QB, then OT, DE (as long as he is not from Clemson). Elite QB’s and OT’s are very rare in free agency so those are the positions we have to snag in the top couple of rounds. I think Wright at TE is a pleasant surprise and TE can be addressed in free agency along with some of the other positions. Basically QB’s, Linemen and CB’s that are elite prospects should be targeted in the first part of the draft regardless of the current play of the men starting.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
@Buc1987:
I know you are baiting me, lol. Because it seems very clear to me. But if the Bucs spend a say 5th overall pick on a QB, whoever that may be, and they are reasonably accurate in their assessment, why could they not trade him in say 2015 for multiple picks if Glennon turns out to be a stud? Especially IF the new QB performs well in preseason, etc.
Due to the almost desperate need for QB’s in the NFL, most trades of QB’s that show any potential give the leverage to the team that is trading him – Arizona, Oakland, Kansas City, etc, as examples.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Can you imagine!
November 19th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
How long did you guys wait for Rip Van Freeman to complete 20 of 23 passes to beat the Falcons in a barn burner?
5 years too long.
Not all first rounders develop.
We already know Glennon is capable of going 20-23 in the NFL.
Lets go get busy and get a top of the line DE. I wish Clayborn could be moved to the LDE so we could get a Simeon Rice type RDE pass rusher.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
it’s bad when ur top 2 sack leaders are ur DT & WLB and all ppl can say is draft a QB. Hello! FYI our DE’s SUCK 2 put it nicely. If we can’t get Clowney or Barr then I say trade down and get tha TE Ebron from NC or BPA(preferably CB)
November 19th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Joe says :”Why not draft a quarterback in the first round? Schiano likes competition, right? Glennon buys the kid (ahem Johnny Football) time to get acclimated to the NFL and if the rookie is a bust, Glennon is a great safety net. Who knows, the rookie may even push Glennon to be better.”
Yeah Joe how did that work when they drafted Glennon, did that push Freeman to be better?
Here’s a small of list of NFL QB busts that were all-world in college. Yah ya knew it was coming eventually. Someone has to do it.
November 19th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Kerry Collins
Vince Young
Jeff George
Vinny Testeverde – Heisman
Andre Ware – Heisman
Todd Blackledge – national champion
Matt Leinart – Heisman
David Klinger
Heath Shuler – Heath was a record setting quarterback in college, only to flop miserably in the pros. A career 54.3 passer rating says it all.
Alkili Smith
Jack Thompson – former Buc bust
Joey Harrington – almost won the Heisman
Rick Mirer
David Carr
Tim Couch
Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell
November 19th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
This list could go on FOREVER!
November 19th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
@Buc1987:
Is there any position in football that is immune to being a bust when the player is drafted? Is Glennon a lock now to end up as a top 10 QB in the NFL? If you say yes, you are crazy. Those OBs who were thought to be superstars last year as rookies: Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3 are all struggling. My point is, the NFL QB position is so hard to fill, I would rather have Glennon AND a top 5 QB draft pick and make damn sure we have the position filled. Any other position is secondary to that of our need at QB.
Tell me what NFL team has Super Bowl potential that has does not have a top 15 QB?
November 19th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Can you imagine if Freeman was still behind center and all the hand-wringing and screaming and yelling and bellowing that would still be going on? Joe can just about promise the Bucs would have quit on Schiano if Rip Van Freeman was still here.
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The coaching staff wouldn’t adjust their offensive system to cater to Freeman’s
strengths; they’re doing it for Glennon. If the coaching staff had refused to make adjustments, the Bucs would have quit, regardless of who would have been behind center. This season makes 6 lost seasons in a row.
November 19th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Chiefs?
November 19th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
87:
So if the Bucs are drafting a quarterback, instead of a guy who proved to be elite in college, the Bucs should draft the likes of Jeff Driskel? smh
November 19th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Question my friends
Which QB in the draft is deemed to be the elite franchise QB?
November 19th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Non-QB draft busts:
Rolando McClain (#8 overall), LB Oakland; Jason Smith (#2 overall) OT, Rams; Aaron Curry (#4) LB Seattle; Vernon Gholston (#6) OLB Jets; Derrick Harvey (#8) DE, Jacksonville; Adam Pacman Jones (#6) CB Titans; Mike Williams (#10) WR Lions (knew him personally, not nice); Charles Rogers (#2) WR Lions, etc.
Even with non-QBs, busts are plentiful and there are no guarantees. So, if I am going to take a chance with a top 5 pick, it is going to be on a potential Payton Manning in 2014
November 19th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
@ Joe:
I had Alex Smith in my head when I wrote that. But after I just looked I am surprised to find him in the bottom third (I thought he would be around 15). At the same time, I don’t think KC is going to get that far, and for the same reason I said – they don’t have an elite QB. Look at their game vs Broncos with Manning playing poorly. KC could not keep up.
I know its is just my opinion, but KC will not get that far for that reason. THAT is why almost EVERY NFL team is so desperately searching for a franchise signal caller. If I am wrong, Joe, you are more than welcome to point it out come February, lol.
November 19th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
@ Harry
“My point is, the NFL QB position is so hard to fill, I would rather have Glennon AND a top 5 QB draft pick and make damn sure we have the position filled. Any other position is secondary to that of our need at QB.”
The team did that before, when we drafted Dilfer and had Erickson, who had shown some promise the year before (had a QB rating smack between Bledsoe and Mirer, the top young guns of ’93). Just saying drafting a Top 5 QB along with a guy who’s shown promise doesn’t fill the position.
QB is the biggest gamble in the draft, and it’s also the position that if you have a starter in place, then you’re missing out on a player (at any other position) who should contribute frequently as a rookie, when you draft a QB in Round 1.
If the team is not sold on Glennon, the best insurance policy is a veteran backup who’s shown they can win about half the time with minimal reps. If you want the other young guy, then draft another QB in rounds 3-6, with the idea he won’t have to start for at least a year, and he can develop.
I also disagree that other needs are secondary, on the assumption that Glennon continues to play well, I would much rather see Clowney in a Bucs uniform, lining up for at least 60% of Defensive snaps, than see Bridgewater sitting on the bench (granted if Glennon continues to play well, we get 3-5 more wins, and neither of those guys is available when we draft, but they provide a good example for my point).
All bets are off if Glennon melts down these last 6 games.
November 19th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Ithink Glennon is going to be the guy. So far he looks like the guy anyway.
November 19th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
@T in Orlando:
Sorry, but I very much disagree. Please give me an example of a veteran QB we can trade for that will make us Super Bowl contenders? Even going back to last year, the top 2 ‘veteran QBs’ were Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. Smith makes my point for me. He landed on a very good KC team. He is a middle of the road QB. At first I thought he might be enough, a “game manager” who could get them over the hump with the rest of the talent they have. Then I watched the game with the Broncos. The Cheifs, as I said in a previous post, could NOT keep up with Payton Manning when he was having an off night.
So, in my opinion, it would be next to impossible for an NFL team to get to the Superbowl without a franchise level QB (not just a good ‘veteran’). If that is the case, and I think it is, all other positions are secondary IF you are drafting in the top 7, where you are most likely to get that elusive franchise QB
November 19th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
My gut tells me this draft isn’t nearly as deep in QBs as we are being told. I smell busts. And, of all of them, TB certainly isn’t taking Manziel. He’s not Schiano material, and we know Dominick is neutered.
I just wish this year were next year. Winston is the real deal.
November 19th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
“I just wish this year were next year. Winston is the real deal.”
Oil…I’m with you on that one and not just because I’m a big Noles fan. Not only does Winston have so much talent, but his leadership in the locker room and on the sidelines is insane for a 19 yr-old kid.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
As long as Glennon continues to improve. I see no logical reason to draft QB in the 1st. To many other needs that would improve this team much more than a 1st round QB. My personal hope is that we trade down and pick up Watkins to add to the receiving corps and some more picks. Would be fine with a 2nd round or later QB to compete with Glennon.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
As Joe said numerous times early in the season, if the Bucs are starting a rookie QB, they are in trouble. So people want to start a rookie QB two years in a row? Draft the best position of need (of which there are numerous), and look for a QB later in the draft to develop or pick up a vet in free agency.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
If Glennon keeps progressing at this impressive pace…why not let him be the starter next year? To me, he looks a little like a cross between Joe Flacco, Andrew Luck and Matt Ryan. The kid has the intangibles…if he can prove he has the smarts and leadership skills, then he should be a great QB in this league. Then the Bucs can concentrate on a puss rushing DE, depth at Guard and tackle on the o-line, another quality CB and a #3 WR! The future looks bright!!!!
November 19th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
87,
Agree on all of that. For me, the biggest thing is field vision and ball placement. He see the WHOLE field, and he puts the ball where the receivers can make big YACs. Those are rare traits. He is special.
Not to even mention, he is a big, strong guy that can pull away from 300lbers. As Noles, we have been tricked by fool’s gold before (Xlee, etc.), so, I was hesitant until saw him in games. He is the real deal.
Nonetheless, I like Glennon’s progress, and I’m most happy that Josh Fraudman is over with.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I’m all for giving Glennon one more season after this season because so far he is playing great. He has one target on offense and that is Vincent Jackson and the defense know that and yet he still goes 20-23. Besides V-Jax, Glennon had Tiquan Underwood (Cut from this team earlier this season), Skye Dawson (Who?), and Tim Wright (UDFA) as his main targets and if that isn’t a bad Receiving core I don’t know what is. I would love to see the Bucs draft one of the TE’s like Eric Ebron, Austin Seferian-Jenkins, or Jace Amaro and then draft a WR like Jarvis Landry or Jared Abbrederis.
If Glennon turns out to not be the guy chances are the Bucs will have a high draft pick in the 2015 draft and you take a QB like Jameis Winston but I am really liking what I see from Glennon and think he can be the guy.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Yah sure Harry name all the OTHER positions that were busts in from college to the pros, but the QB is the most important position is my point anyways. And there have beeb MANY star QB’s in college that were busts, no matter how you and Joe want to slice it.
November 19th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Why draft a TE? They don’t seem to fit in this system. Watch the last game again and see who he threw to, and how many dump offs he had. I don’t blame the kid; he’s probably been semi threatened by the fabulous HC.
November 19th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
@ Harry
I don’t know, Harry. Trent Dilfer didn’t seem to be a “franchise level QB” and yet he has a ‘ring’. Jeff Hostetler didn’t seem to be a “franchise level QB”, and yet he also wears a ‘ring’. And, stepping onto sacred ground, Brad Johnson didn’t seem to be a “franchise level QB”, and… well we all know the rest.
With the rise of some young QBs, and the drafting of a bunch more, there may be some veterans available that teams can’t ‘afford’ to keep.
Defense wins championships.
Let’s see how Glennon finishes the season and it’s likely that one of us will change their position.
November 19th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
@Buc1987:
Well, we at least agree that “the QB is the most important position”. So my point is, if at the end of this season, the jury is still out on Glennon (as I am sure it will be), then why not double down with our high draft pick? I think we have very little to lose – we can trade one of them and get most or more of our value back.
Bc the position is so important, lets get our franchise QB LOCKED down for the next 10 to 15 years.
November 19th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Harry…so what your saying is if the drafted QB ends up sucking, it’s no big deal to throw that pick away? lol I get your point, but you can look at it from all angles just like I just suggested.
November 19th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
I say pending the results of the next couple games you keep him around next year. We have all seen what QB competition can do to a young QB, so I say leave it be. If he was a first round pick with these numbers people would be all over him. Then again, I am a like glennon mob guy.
November 19th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
@Harry
You only pick a QB in the 1st rd if you rate him as a franchise caliber QB. I only see 3 in this draft and if we continue to win they’ll be gone by the time we pick. It’ll be prudent to get a DE (edge rusher) in 1st rd because they’re scarce. Of course if Glennon starts to regress and we lose, then you go after that QB w/ the high pick
November 19th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Glennon is looking like our version of Matty Ice, I’m OK with that. Mobility in a QB is a nice weapon, but I’ll take a cerebral guy like Manning or Brady who always seem to be one step ahead of a defense any day. Too early to know if Glennon is that guy, but he’s looking pretty damn good for a rookie with only one elite target in the lineup and 3rd & 4th string RB’s behind him.
November 19th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Mr. JBF…was Glennon REALLY as bad as you made him out to be in training camp?
November 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am
I agree Joe. We in Tampa Deserve the best chance to get an elite quarterback. Our entire division has one…..do we not deserve one? Nothing is perfect but I still see our defense strides above our offense. The top QBs have more effect on a game than any other player. They touch the ball every offensive play. It’s the leader of the team…..let’s use this draft to solidify this most important position. Fans should yearn for an elite QB. Kid Glennon has done great. You know other teams might be willing to trade for one of them as well. A good young QB may be our key for someone else very good TE perhaps. Let’s solidify the most important member of the team….a leader the Quarterback!!
November 20th, 2013 at 1:26 am
P’cola Buc….what you fail to realize is that Joe’s a flip flopper. One day he says forget drafting a QB high go for an O-lineman, the next he talks about going for a QB high. Which is it Joe, QB or O-lineman like the Matthews kid you were talking about a week ago? Make up your mind already. Would you like them to trade down and pick up a QB and get picks then trade up out of the 2nd round to get a decent QB. What’s the deal Joes? It’s late so perhaps this question needs to be asked during the day time. Just to set the readers straight. OR you could just do it now.
November 20th, 2013 at 1:30 am
“Would you like them to trade down and pick up a QB and get picks then trade up out of the 2nd round to get a decent QB.”
Major ef up typo question.
Should say : Would you like them to trade down and pick up an O-lineman in the 1st round and another pick? Then trade back up and pick up a decent QB? You DID make that suggestion about a week ago did you not?
November 20th, 2013 at 1:33 am
Sorry it took so late to ask that question but every time you guys put down that the Bucs should draft a QB with their 1st pick, you contradict what you said about a week ago. I don’t forget what I read when it comes to my team. You guys did say that right. You wanted them to go O-line with the 1st round. So 5 days or so later you’ve had a change of mind?
November 20th, 2013 at 1:52 am
“This is why Joe is banging the drum — and will bang on the drum until the NFL draft comes next spring — that the Bucs need Texas A&M hulk of an offensive tackle Jake Matthews. This offensive line desperately needs fresh blood.” –Joe
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=99482
Well I’m VERY off on the date it was Oct 26th, but I did find it and I will continue to remind you. Have you quite banging your drum already even though it’s not next spring yet?
This is just one instance where JOE said that the Bucs should NOT draft a QB with their top pick.
November 20th, 2013 at 2:12 am
Nope. Ideal situation: Draft Jake Matthews or (if Matthews is gone) Taylor Lewan, then trade back up into the first round for Johnny Football.
The draft is very, very, VERY fluid. It’s November. Players, to a degree, will rise and fall a little before then.
November 20th, 2013 at 2:47 am
Joe..so your saying that Manziel will still be there late in round 1? Or you predict that he will still be there? Because many on your site don’t seem to think so. smh
November 20th, 2013 at 3:04 am
@Joe..Well then keep BANGING that drum in your articles. Don’t make it look like if the Bucs get a high pick that they should go with a QB, because that’s the perception is it not. Hang on let me re-read it like you always tell everyone to do, just to make sure I perceived it correctly. Yup same result, it appears to your readers that the Bucs should take their high pick and draft a QB with it. No mention of O-line or anything. I’m with ya on Matthews btw or any O-line help will do, Penn is not getting any younger. O-line or D-line that’s what I want them to do. If they trade back up and nab a QB (Manziel won’t be there) then I’m fine with that too. Just keep banging that drum though. Goooood night Joe.
November 20th, 2013 at 4:01 am
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No mention of offensive line? What, do you think Jake Matthews is a running back???????????
November 20th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Bucfan1987, I definitely don’t think Manziel goes in the upper-half of the first round. If both Marriota and Hundley stay in school, then maybe someone reaches, but I don’t see it. The guy is listed by A&M as being 6’1″, 210lbs, and I have a hard time believing either of those numbers. He’s a great college QB, yes. However, how many NFL GMs and coaches are going to be willing to spend a high draft pick on a guy who is undersized, has average to above-average arm strength, and comes with quite a few off-field issues? There are a lot of QBs in this draft who have an NFL look in various areas, so I think teams may play it a bit safer this year with the QB position (outside of the top three, that is). I think someone takes a chance on Manziel late 1st/early 2nd round.