The Licht House Is Getting “Old”
February 9th, 2025
Is The Licht House showing its age? Well, it may be old by NFL standards.
This surprised Joe. In A BSPN feature about the oldest stadiums in the league, the Bucs were said to have 11th-oldest stadium.
It seems like yesterday the place just opened (1998) and fans cried that the cannons were too loud (can you imagine?).
Joe brings this up because every stadium older than The Licht House has its home team either trying to obtain funding to replace its stadium or firm plans to replace its stadium, or construction of a new stadium is underway.
Or, their home fields have recently been redesigned.
Here are the oldest NFL stadiums compiled by Alex Kennedy:
Bears, Soldier Field: Actively seeking funding to build a new stadium.
Packers, Lambeau Field: Maybe the crown jewel of the NFL. It’s not going anywhere. Seems like once every eight years the Packers sell (worthless) stock and raise cash to modernized Lambeau. A shrine to the NFL.
Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium: The Chiefs are pursuing funding. A proposed possible site for a new stadium is some 24 miles away from Arrowhead Stadium across state lines in Kansas. The State of Kansas has a preliminary plan for funding in place.
Bills, Highmark Stadium: Construction of a new stadium is scheduled to be completed for the 2026 season.
Slimy Saints, Superdome: This place gets gutted and refitted every four or five years, it seems. Updated enough that Lincoln’s Tomb still gets big-time events like the Super Bowl and the Final Four.
Dolphins, Joe Robbie Stadium: Totally renovated in 2016. Among other perks, it now has a roof covering the seats. Sweet!
Jags, Gator Bowl: Financing was approved for a renovation of the old Gator Bowl last summer. Among the new features will be a translucent canopy — not an enclosed roof — very much like the Rams’ stadium.
Stinking Panthers, Bank of America Stadium: Stinking Panthers strongman David Tepper obtained funding last year to gut its crib and redesign it.
Commandos, FedEx Field: The Commandos are in the early stages of obtaining control of the old RFK Stadium site in the district to build a new crib. Commandos owner Josh Harris has targeted 2030 for the opening.
Crows, M&T Bank Stadium: The Crows obtained some $430 million in state funding a little over a year ago for a series of projects that will “enhance” the stadium. The “projects” are scheduled to be completed for the 2027 season.
Bucs, The Licht House: Crickets.
Browns, Huntington Bank Field: The Browns announced a dome stadium project near the Cleveland airport. Since, the City of Cleveland has sued the Browns for violating Ohio’s Art Modell Law, which prohibits the Browns from moving outside city limits without first putting the team up for sale. So, construction is on hold.
Titans, Nissan Stadium: New dome is scheduled to open for the 2027 season.
So those are the 13 oldest stadiums in the NFL. All are as old or older than The Licht House (aside from the Packers) and either have new stadiums about to open, firm plans to renovate, recently upgraded facilities or are actively pursuing financing for a new stadium and/or renovation.
Only the Bucs have been quiet about their plans. Then again, they usually are quiet about plans. That’s nothing new.
Keep in mind the team was one of the last in the league to upgrade the replay boards from analog to digital. So the pace of change to The Licht House in the past has been slow. Therefore, it wouldn’t shock Joe if an upgrade/new stadium is some ways away.
Since the race to build/rebuild/renovate stadiums is underway with so many stadiums, it doesn’t appear the Bucs will get another Super Bowl anytime soon, short of a large-scale modernization or redesign of The Licht House.
Joe wonders what Team Glazer has in the works regarding The Licht House.
In the NFL, if teams aren’t keeping up with the Joneses (including Jerry Jones), they’re often left out in the cold.
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February 9th, 2025 at 9:25 am
The Bucs will be moving to Old Trafford Stadium in jolly old England.
February 9th, 2025 at 9:32 am
I knew it would not take long for someone to post an idiotic response .. gotbbucs
February 9th, 2025 at 9:35 am
If they make a new stadium they should make it a giant pirate ship with a retractable roof
February 9th, 2025 at 9:42 am
“Joe wonders what Team Glazer has in the works regarding The Licht House.”
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As does Durango.
This is not something where the Glazer family can wake up one morning and decide to build a new stadium. Going about things quietly can be sound business practice. So we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. However, this stadium situation is something that has to be addressed. An issue that needs sunlight. Nice stadium, old stadium. So they need to get going on what they plan to do. Putting a fresh coast of paint on the old barn is not an answer. I would have liked a partial roof on the place. Too late for that.. They need a new place to keep up. The NFL is going to pass up Tampa Bay for a SB because its barn is just too old.
February 9th, 2025 at 9:57 am
Is it certain Tampa won’t be getting a future SB anytime soon? I know they like to keep SBs in warm weather climates. So I’d be surprised if Tampa won’t get another with the current stadium. Not sure anyone is in a rush to be talking about new stadiums anyway since the results of last hurricane season.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:03 am
I believe Bucs stadium would consistently be sold out if they had a retractable roof for its fans.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:09 am
Dom, took the words out of my mouth. Our current site is fine, but does need some improvements. Making the whole thing look like a ship could be cool. But first things first, we desperately need the overhangs like they have now at Joe Robbie. That sun is like standing inside a burning building. Really hard to help the defense out consistently on 3rd and 4th down.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:17 am
Just what Tampa needs…more welfare for wealthy
February 9th, 2025 at 10:21 am
Glazers have said no plans for new stadium they will just renovate one day.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:25 am
I’ve only been a couple of times to the Licht House but always enjoyed it. So much better than the Sombrero where I spent many a Sunday. I was under the impression that when RayJay opened, it set the standard for how new stadiums should be designed. Every other stadium mentioned on this list is antiquated. Charlotte’s stadium was darn depressing when I went there a couple of years ago. The Bengals play in an antiseptic stadium and Cleveland’s was outdated when it was opened. Isn’t the Licht House a great place to play by NFL standards. I would think some renovations, if any, would be all that’s needed to stay in the upper echelons of NFL stadiums. Am I wrong?
February 9th, 2025 at 10:36 am
Didn’t they just put multi millions into upgrades like 5 years ago?
February 9th, 2025 at 10:38 am
These people that boohoo about “welfare for the wealthy” That’s how every just about every single stadium and arena get built. Thats not changing. Eventually we will pay for it, or they will leave. And make no mistake, you aren’t taken seriously as an American city without multiple pro teams. Cities like London and Orlando will be waiting with fistfuls of cash and open arms.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:42 am
If a new stadium was built in Tampa for the Bucs – parking, tickets for 2 and food and beverages will cost a minimum of $1000 for 1 game – see Jerry World
BooHoo
February 9th, 2025 at 10:43 am
Excessive use of the word crib.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:10 am
Weston Says:
February 9th, 2025 at 10:38 am
These people that boohoo about “welfare for the wealthy” That’s how every just about every single stadium and arena get built. Thats not changing. Eventually we will pay for it, or they will leave.
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Exactly right, Weston. Santa is not real and nice things cost money. Just bought myself a new bicycle, cost me 10K. No one forced me to buy it. No one is forcing anyone to pay for stadium tax.. .If you grouse about your tax dollars. Vast majority of the country does not have a stadium tax as part of its tax bill. Feel free to set up shop anywhere your heart desires. Go ahead make a statement.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:15 am
Was an “inexpensive” stadium when it was built. Absolutely antiquated today. Glazers need to push for a new one or relocate to the UK or Germany.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:18 am
This market has been dealing with the rats for the last decade plus, too
February 9th, 2025 at 11:18 am
/Rays
February 9th, 2025 at 11:18 am
Need a new building for you locals to still let the visiting fans still overrun. Shameful.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:21 am
The Billionaires want taxpayer money to do it, but somehow they also want the taxpayers to pay to get into the stadium.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:23 am
That garage ain’t cleaning itself grandson so put grannies phone down and get to work lazy
February 9th, 2025 at 11:40 am
Means very little in the modern day NFL stadium race.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:58 am
Full Disclosure – I served on the Steering Committee for Protect Our Wallets and Waterfront. P.O.W.W. which succeeded in preventing Stu Sternberg’s rape of St. Pete’s Waterfront.
In addition to the Stadium he had reserved a lot of “commercial real estate” as part of the Stadium itself. The storefronts in the Stadium on Beach Drive would have been a true windfall. The games would have rendered St. Pete undesirable due to horrible traffic in an already congested area.
So here’s an actual IDEA. The Rays need a new stadium, especially since the Trop was destroyed!!! Tampa wants a MLB franchise. So Tampa and St. Pete simply trade teams!! Tampa gets the Rays and St. Pete gets the Yankees Spring Training. Yes some “political” problems to work out but it makes such OBVIOUS sense.
First the Yankees/St. Pete. It would require a major fund raising effort to retool Al Lang into an MLB quality Spring training facility. What would both sides receive?
The Yankees could return to their roots, Spring Training in St. Pete! St. Pete gets a huge tourist draw and perhaps an excellent multi-use stadium that could also accommodate the Rowdies.
Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth both lived in the Flori De Leon Condos which still exist. Just saw a condo there for just under $400,000 a steal for downtown! Yep built in 1927 but some people actually appreciate history and the place is uber convenient. So that’s tourist destination 1. Both those Yankee stars also played golf at what is now the Vinoy Golf Course. Site #2 And of course there is the field at Crescent Lake, Miller-Huggins field named after the two Yankee legends Site #3!
If I was younger and greedier I already have ideas of how to take New Yorkers on walking tours or short rides to Miller-Huggins. The Vinoy of course (now owned btw by the Glazers) would benefit HUGELY!!! Walk to the games and play the same course as the two biggest heroes in Yankee history!
And not just the Vinoy but all downtown hotels would benefit because guests could actually walk from most of the large hotels and enjoy the waterfront while doing so!!! Think that beats a walk up Dale Mabry?
Now what do the Rays and Tampa get. Well the Rays get their new stadium and Tampa finally gets the MAJOR LEAGUE FRANCHISE where it’s always belonged in the heart of Tampa!!!
As for the Bucs stadium. I’m not fan of “dual use” stadiums for MLB/NFL. But many cities now place them adjacent for the infrastructure/parking advantages.
If it was part of a make Tampa truly MAJOR LEAGUE with neighboring MLB and NFL stadia it should be easier to sell Ray Jay upgrades! People flowing out of Downtown Tampa after work could drop in to pick up 7-8 innings of Rays games before heading to the “burbs”.
It would require some vision for sure but let’s start with the Glazers!! They would benefit from the deal TWO ways. They are shrewd businessmen and if they led the charge it might actually happen. Time is running out though for the Rays.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:08 pm
THE LEEROY SELMON HOUSE could use a parking garage.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:13 pm
I just dont understand why stadiums in florida dont at least have a partial roof. Its hot and humid at 1pm in september.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:14 pm
“Succeeded???” More like failed (using unproven, hysteric scare tactics like you just typed).
Failed St. Petersburg with tax revenue.
Failed Pinellas County with tax revenue.
Failed that neighborhood with what would have been skyrocketing property values (think Wrigleville in Chicago).
Failed St. Petersburg and Pinellas County taxpayers because now the damn stadium cost probably 40 percent more.
Failed the Tampa Bay area because it may in the long run cost the area a major league franchise.
One of the biggest #fails in Florida history. And for what reason? So you didn’t have to deal with parking? #Pathetic
February 9th, 2025 at 12:19 pm
Funny how the same people wildly enthusiastic about gutting government programs love tax dollars for billionaires to build new TV studios for live sports. What a joke. Build it yourself Glazers.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:41 pm
They have a pirate ship that shoots cannons.
That right there is an upgrade to most stadiums in the NFL.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:44 pm
Agree about the retractable roof. I would go to the games more often, as it is now can’t risk any more skin cancers.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:50 pm
@Joe
I also served on the Planning Commission. There’s not going to be a new stadium at the Trop site. Get over it. The Rays either land in Tampa where they belong or they can head to the now very limited opportunities. Can you say Montreal?
Holy Cross University’s Economics department did a study on the effect of stadia and professional teams and the economic impact on the communities.
Because of all the “new” teams in our state Florida was the perfect lab!! If there was a gain in financial terms it would be reflected in Florida’s sales tax receipts. HC found NO uptick in eonomic activity after teams/stadiums were placed in Tampa, Orlando, Jax and Miami. There is a thing called “substitution”.
IE money that comes into the franchises and stadia simply comes from existing restaurants, theaters and all other leisure activity. You do not live in St. Pete nor have you studied economics especially as it relates to stadiums/franchises.
They do not bring more money!!! The Chamber of Commerce view of “prestige” might hold some water for Tampa but not St. Pete. The Rays have meant nothing but headaches for St. Pete. Spring Training used to be fun .
Limited schedules with mostly day games due to the weather. FAR less impact on St. Pete!
So you do not enjoy the Pier, NorthShore Park, Beach drive or many of the things that make St. Pete what it is for MOST of us and the tourists.
Why should St. Pete residents give up their “lifestyle” just to satisfy baseball fans?
I provided a truly logical compromise yet you’re simply too myopic and quite honestly selfish to comprehend stadia realities!
February 9th, 2025 at 12:56 pm
I’m all for the retractable roof idea. Is it a coincidence that we generally have a better road record.
February 9th, 2025 at 12:57 pm
BTW Have you not seen the exploding values and real estate growth of St. Pete.
It had NOTHING to do with the Rays and 60 or so nights of a massive traffic jam would not have attracted MORE investment!
February 9th, 2025 at 1:01 pm
Go check out real estate in Wrigleyville.
February 9th, 2025 at 1:09 pm
Joe
You’re too smart for this! You realize that ALL REAL ESTATE is LOCAL!
BTW Wrigley and Fenway are now over 100 years old! Why don’t have new stadia. Is “Wrigleyville” part of a new stadium. Sorry I missed out but I don’t follow Chicago politics.
February 9th, 2025 at 1:19 pm
I seem to recall an upgrade just a few years ago. Especially to the locker rooms.
February 9th, 2025 at 1:25 pm
Again forgive my ignorance about Chicago. You’re far more informed than me on that from your youth.
Now I’m under the impression that Wrigley did not sit on Chicago’s Gold Coast, the Lake Mi shoreline.
There was a great site for the Rays in St Pete! It’s the old landfill right off of I-275 one of the most convenient locaations for the fans ingress and egress. Stu wanted none of that because he wanted to tap into the down real estate boom, underway long before Stu even purchased the Rays.
If Chicago is giving up precious “waterfront” property then I stand corrected.
A former St. Pete Mayor wrote a book called from “Mangroves to the Major Leagues”. He was the biggest MLB supporter around. He tried to connect the St. Pete boom with the Rays. The St. Pete boom started for a multitude of reasons. First the great remodeling and staying true to the history of the Vinoy Hotel. That was followed by the first of the Beach Drive condos. And now the general boom because of our climate and beauty. Baseball had NOTHING to do with it.
As for CoC value however in Tampa the Rays might contribute, especially across the street from RayJay! Parking is already available. Nobody cares if patrons of the Mons are inconvenienced. LMAO
St. Pete residents, especially those who have lived here awhile are VERY proud of our waterfront just as I suspect Chicagoans are of their own Gold Coast.
February 9th, 2025 at 1:28 pm
Our new Pres just signed an EO that eliminated all tax breaks for billionaire sports team owners…
I wonder how this will affect the owners and team’s salary cap?
February 9th, 2025 at 2:14 pm
I don’t know what people think they need to add to make the stadium situation “better”. Better how? Ultimately these decisions are driven by greater revenue for ownership. I’m not sure what the big revenue generators are in these new facilities. What do they need to put in a new stadium to make it not antiquated?
Maybe they could build a deeper bowl and blow in cold air to make the game more tolerable for fans while they’re at it.
February 9th, 2025 at 2:45 pm
Our new Pres just signed an EO that eliminated all tax breaks for billionaire sports team owners…
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Had not heard that before. Hmmm. Need to check that out. I’ll go look. But you know, as in everything, the devil is in the details. Where there is a will there is always a way.
February 9th, 2025 at 2:55 pm
They will put a new stadium in, eventually. Tampa is a growing area, west florida is booming. Besides being the home of the Bucs the stadium will be a major spot for concerts. No doubt it happens
February 9th, 2025 at 3:32 pm
Ray Jay is fine for now, but there should probably be a 10 year plan in place.
February 9th, 2025 at 4:18 pm
My impression is that new stadium finance packages are usually a rip-off for the host city/community. I hope that doesn’t happen in/to Tampa.
February 9th, 2025 at 5:11 pm
HAHAHA…shell it out suckers…. Oh My gimme all your money!
February 9th, 2025 at 5:13 pm
Reduce the seating and lower the price….sell out all the time.
February 9th, 2025 at 5:30 pm
Why not spend a billion??? Meanwhile try to find somebody to fix your cane drywall and get shafted by the insoooance…..No Tanx.
February 9th, 2025 at 8:14 pm
Bucs won a Super bowl in that stadium….. Do it like green bay.
February 9th, 2025 at 8:50 pm
Marine Buc Says:
February 9th, 2025 at 1:28 pm
🤣🤣🤣 They’re “looking into it.” There’s no way that Donny Douche Dollars is going to do anything to hurt the billionaire class. Even if the repugs remove some loopholes, billionaires in general are going to get all the benefits of any tax deals done with these clowns in office.
Not at all.
February 9th, 2025 at 9:37 pm
It really is shocking we haven’t heard the Glazers start talking about a new stadium. Maybe they’re waiting for the idiot Rays to finally make up their mind. But I know this much, if the worthless boring dull Rays get $1.3-billion for a stadium, the Bucs are going to want at least $2.5-billion.
February 9th, 2025 at 9:42 pm
Rays should move to Orlando and make arrangements to play 10 regular season home games a year in Tampa Yankee Spring Training stadium
February 9th, 2025 at 9:48 pm
Super Bowl – Eagles have 6 sacks, and have used zero blitzes. I think Joe “we need an edge rusher” is onto something.
February 9th, 2025 at 10:25 pm
There is zero chance taxpayers pay for a new stadium.
Zero.
There isn’t enough support.
I am 100% against subsidizing billionaires. 100% no.
February 9th, 2025 at 11:28 pm
Make the pirate ship bigger. Put s big sail or cover the stadium like LA. Just have to block the sun. Stadium never really fills up. To many people have gotten sun burnt and won’t come back again. People that show up hide under the seats for shade. It’s ridiculous. Has to cost them a lot of money. Go Covered Stadium.!
February 10th, 2025 at 12:19 am
Ray Jay is still amazing. We don’t need a new stadium. Don’t even give the Glazers ideas. The sales tax increase from the LAST stadium deal is still in place. Are they going to raise taxes again?
February 10th, 2025 at 2:03 am
So what is wrong with Ray Jay again? Most recogizable stadium in the league by far. Have fans been complaining about no valet parking again?
Geez!
Go Bucs!
February 10th, 2025 at 2:29 am
Maybe they could do what all businesses do that operate & enjoy the low taxation of the state of Florida – pay for themselves.
Or, maybe they could get one of those USAID “loans”?
I love my Bucs, but I’m all tapped out on ANY/ALL new tax schemes – especially ones that help billionaires (trillionaires?) convince average Floridians that they they’ll be happy to stay if someone builds them a shiny new stadium for their football team to stay in Tampa.
February 10th, 2025 at 5:41 am
The in-game experience is brutal in the early parts of the season at RayJay, I’m all for home-field advantages, but it sucks to be the fan baking in those seats dehydrated trying to generate noise.
Couple of you mentioned game-day attendance would be better in a dome, yes, and also be easier to usher new/younger fans. I’d love to take my younger girls to a game, but tickets aren’t free, and I think my girls would be done by half-time if not earlier because again, there’s no reprieve from the heat, and they are still processing the game. I guess what I’m getting at, there’s a lot to tolerate under climate-controlled conditions. At the very least I would love something similar to Miami, but make no mistake, that partial cover cost a small fortune, almost what it cost to build that stadium.
I would bet, pending the team we have, with a roof, more Bucs fans in seats, and helluva lotter crowd. We can only dream that this would happen anytime soon.
February 10th, 2025 at 7:53 am
Folks, a new stadium isn’t just about the Bucs. Stadiums are a draw for premiere performers and events. Ray Jay is fine for football, but it’s not just about football.
February 10th, 2025 at 7:59 am
The sun is brutal at those early season games, but it’s manageable. A domed stadium would not help attendance at all. Tickets would get even more expensive.
February 10th, 2025 at 8:05 am
I went to first game as a yellow shirted usher. We beat da Bears, we fell behind 15-0 at halftime before beating that a$$ in 2nd half. Won 27-15 I believe. Good times.
February 10th, 2025 at 8:40 am
listen to this and see why there are crickets…..Glazer greed
[You really don’t expect anyone to sift through a 2 1/2 hour pod on a half-dozen truly boring subjects like public transportation to hear… what exactly? LOL — Joe]
February 10th, 2025 at 9:07 am
Joe, it was clipped up to be stadium specific “The Worst Deal in Tampa History”. No, I do not expect anyone to listen to the entire podcast, if it did not paste properly then here is the exact time (1:54 mark of a pod titled “Who Holds The Power? | Decoding Local Politics”), listen to clip, it explains a lot. Information that will shed light on how the Bucs have the sweet heart of a deal and theydo not want to engage into spending any of their own funding for the future. Listen to that chapter Joe and it will give you insite….
[Thanks. I put the time in for you. (Remember, no links in comments.) Joe doesn’t trust anyone who thinks the stadium is a bad deal. Does it look like the City of Tampa much less the Tampa Bay area is worse off with the Bucs? Has the are the area turned into the Bronx or East. St. Louis because of the Bucs? Joe is *very* much pro-publicly-financed stadiums. Governments throw away hundreds of billions of dollars each year that we don’t see any benefit from. At least a stadium is a major asset to the community. If people don’t want to pay for a stadium, there’s always Punta Gorda. Someone is going to have to have a detailed breakdown of how the Tampa Bay area is worse off with the Bucs before Joe begins to think stadiums are bad. Besides, the alternative to no stadium is significantly worse. — Joe]
February 10th, 2025 at 9:46 am
If they do plan on a new stadium, they need to keep that pirate ship or build another pirate ship in the stadium. So much character that sets it apart from other boring stadoums it needs to be kept as part of the design of the new stadium. Also, I’m assuming the decision will be based upon some condition assessment/ engineering assessement where the costs of replacements and repairs are weighed into the overall cost of what it would be to build a new stadium. This is usually how it goes as the driver.
February 10th, 2025 at 9:56 am
September 1 p.m.games are brutal for fans in the visiting side stands. The Bucs will never get up to 90% fan support at home because many local people don’t want season tickets there for that reason. When I had seats there I hoped for rain for those games.
February 10th, 2025 at 11:30 am
Economists have done the research on this market!
There are not enough corporations to buy up EXPENSIVE boxes or population and fans to support THREE major league franchises! One is doomed.
Hint. It’s not the Bucs! It’s not the Lightning!
Baseball is a game of tradition. The ONLY tradition in our area was SPRING TRAINING! Baseball is boring by today’s standards and worst of all the moronic owners can’t agree on a salary cap!!
I remember growing up in the 50’s when the Yankees owned MLB. Roger Maris was a Kansas City Royal, Babe Ruth a Boston Red Sox player and on an on.
Now it’s the LA Dodgers who have totally ruined any chance for real competition in MLB. It’s nothing more than a few great teams with all the others as the old Washington Generals who were the meat for the Harlem Globetrotters.
February 10th, 2025 at 12:17 pm
Yes, if an NFL or pro sports team brings recognition to a city, then likely worth public investment. Problem with the Tampa Bay Rays is it does not help St Petersburg name recognition much. Past studies have shown the arts bring more consistent revenue to a city. Museums like the Dali will generate more revenue, than a few home games a year. St Pete might benefit in redeveloping the Trop property to a residential, tech, arts and education area. The Rays would likely be better in Tampa with the Bucs.
February 10th, 2025 at 3:25 pm
While I have no inside into this, it wouldn’t surprise me that the stadium issue was the reason Hillsborough County tried to block the teacher pay vote this past election. If it remained blocked, then the vote on the stadium could be put on the ballot at the same time as the teacher vote, pinning the two options against each other. Now with the teacher pay in place, it’s hard to try and tax the citizens again.
February 10th, 2025 at 5:05 pm
I’ve been to that new stadium out in CA. Its a wonder to behold.