NFL.com: To The Bench Goes Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
May 23rd, 2024
Sad prediction.
There is no doubt in Joe’s mind that when the Bucs drafted Alabama edge rusher Chris Braswell, it was a direct shot across the bow at edge rusher Joe Tryon-Shoyinka.
The message was: You’ve got 17 games to prove you belong or bye-bye.
Joe doesn’t know if JTS has that many games.
Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com published his projected starting lineup for the Bucs and there are no surprises with possibly the exception of one: Braswell will start over JTS in Week 1.
Joe sees Rosenthal working here. He’s not exactly wrong. But Joe believes Week 1 is too soon.
The Bucs have a lot of Team Glazer loot invested in JTS. “This Joe” really believes unless JTS is horrible this summer, he will keep his starting OLB gig but be on a very short leash.
Joe guesses JTS will have 6-8 games to prove he deserves to keep his job. If, after those games he has, say, only three sacks, then Joe believes by that time Braswell ought to be caught up enought in Bowles’ defensive intricacies to replace JTS.
Remember, last year YaYa Diaby was busting tail and racking up sacks yet he didn’t get to start until the 11th game.
No, Joe doesn’t believe Braswell will be thrown into the fire right away. But Braswell is in play to supplant JTS as a starting edge rusher by the bye week.
May 23rd, 2024 at 4:40 am
JTS is too light to play on 1st round.
He’s a rotational OLB and 3rd down player.
I want to see Braswell set the edge like Barrett and JPP could.
JTS should also get some looks at ILB
May 23rd, 2024 at 4:45 am
‘Joe doesn’t believe Braswell will be thrown into the fire right away. But it is not out of the question that Braswell could supplant JTS as a starting edge rusher by the bye week.’
Perfect logic Joe & I agree with you. New OLBs have to show that they can stop the run in Todd Bowles defense & play pass defense before they’ll get anointed as a starter, and that takes time in this complex defense. For all his faults, JTS actually plays the run reasonably well, as well as pass defense. The Bucs obviously don’t see him as the future though.
May 23rd, 2024 at 5:18 am
Wow, someone posted in a previous post about how JTS and Mccollum look similar? I see it now..haha even the same haircut!!! hahaha
May 23rd, 2024 at 5:27 am
Yes, we all look alike. 🙄
May 23rd, 2024 at 6:50 am
Braswell will start way before the bye. He’s played a lot on the left side and he’ll outplay JTS, so it’s just a matter of preventing mistakes and convincing Bowles that he’s on his assignments.
May 23rd, 2024 at 6:58 am
DR makes a good point about JTS’s other areas where he is pretty effective. And while JTS doesn’t have the sack or QB pressure numbers that you’d like from an edge rusher, he has enough of a “nuisance factor” to get a QB moving away from his side of the pocket and that may be the reason he still will be a starter on Day 1. I don’t care what round he was drafted. “Doesn’t produce like a 1st round pick.” Screw that. Produce like a starter in the NFL. Period.
There aren’t a lot of TJ Watt or Maxx Crosby types out there. Still pains me that we skipped over TJ Watt and used that pick on OJ Howard. Ouch.
May 23rd, 2024 at 6:59 am
@godawgs
Yes!!
May 23rd, 2024 at 7:03 am
Outside of a QB picked in the top 5, no rookie is going to be gifted a spot. We have to remember Braswell is still very raw. Once he gets up to NFL speed he will likely supplant JTS, or at least get into a rotation with him, but he likely will get sprinkled in over time.
May 23rd, 2024 at 7:11 am
Great analysis, Joe. Fully agree. Thinking like other comments that Braswell will end up playing at some point and showing strength, possibly mid-season.
May 23rd, 2024 at 7:12 am
he probably will see the bench unless he lights it up.
I think he does a lot better this year considering his career is on the line
May 23rd, 2024 at 8:03 am
Braswell is a situational pass rusher year 1. Go watch the tape, Braswell has the length, strength, pretty good get off, and motor to get after the QB. If that were all he were asked to do I’d agree more w/Rosenthal, but I’ve watched plenty of run reps where Braswell is either too upright by time he recognizes the play and loses the rep, or throwing pass rush moves during run sets and taking himself out of the flow of the play. Braswell isn’t the ideal setter of the edge at all, at least not as stout as Yaya is now or was as a rookie.
Another year in an NFL strength program then we can start talking about managing all 3 reps, but this kids got some growing to do as a rookie, plz be realistic moving forward. Until then, realize that Nelly, JTS, Yaya, Watts(the guy we should be looking to break out) & the rest of the OLB gang are all going to be used in the rotation & contribute just like last season.
May 23rd, 2024 at 8:27 am
Why do so many young men like the sideshow Bob hair do these days
May 23rd, 2024 at 8:57 am
I think Nelson starts the season 1st string and braswell takes it from him mid season.
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:03 am
“Remember, last year YaYa Diaby was busting tail and racking up sacks yet he didn’t get to start until the 11th game”
And this could be why CB does get the start from game 1. Hopefully the coaches learned a valuable lesson from last year and will want the best man for the gig in the game from the get-go. Braswell has already stated that bowles defensive scheme look a lot like Alabama’s, other thaterminology. I don’t know, I think Braswell has more of a dawg in him than JTS and will have a Bite resembling that of JPP as he progresses year over year.
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:11 am
He would get destroyed at inside linebacker.
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:12 am
I love to envision the comment section meeting in person, all wearing alstot jerseys getting their senior discount on a cup of coffee at McDonald’s. Because they like to party.
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:21 am
I can see jts losing his job but it won’t be to Braswell. People love to pick the guy they absolutely nothing about except what he did in college. I believe Gregory is the place holder for Braswell.
If the light finally comes on in a contract year then JTS is probably already gone
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:23 am
Why don’t people understand it takes time to develop.
Just because Diaby had good sack production, doesn’t mean it was a mistake he started so late. There are more jobs for an OLB than just rushing the passer.
It’s quite possible Diaby was horrible at the other jobs until he was ready.
Armchair HCs are simply the worst.
Yes, it’s quite possible Braswell starts, but that doesn’t mean ANYTHING about Diaby’s path last year in regards to it being a mistake.
May 23rd, 2024 at 9:54 am
“He would get destroyed at inside linebacker.”
No he wouldn’t, I get not liking the guys’ sack production, but the kids been our primary QB spy(an ILB duty) since he’s been a Buc and pursuit in the open field is amazing.
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:06 am
JTS is NOT an ILB. I am with Joe.
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:43 am
I can really see Bras being an animal. Him and YaYa together, have a good shot at being special. I can see it! Will be a fricking handful paired with Kancey (and Vea) for MANY years to come.
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:24 am
Maybe my death-dance with You-tube has clouded my vision, but I don’t remember JTS doing much of anything last year other than run around fast and doing nothing productive. Few sacks, little pressure and limited tackles is what I recall.
Here come do bench!
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:25 am
Here come da bench!
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:29 am
Dude, JTS couldn’t run down Ridder, in position, to HIS side. That did not look like a guy that could pursue from the middle of the field.
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:45 am
BringBucsBack
10-10, 6 minutes left in the 3rd qtr @Detriot in the playoffs, JTS goes from being 5 yards deep in the backfield to chase Laporta down the field 15 yards from the LOS down sideline after Neal whiffed on a block to make a stop while he outran Devin White & Kancey in the open field in proximity to make the stop Joe beat’em. Just cause he’s not producing the sacks the org/fans want doesn’t make him as useless as fans try to paint him.
I’m not making the case for JTS being an ILB, but athletically to say he’d get “destroyed” at the position is just really inaccurate. 6’5 258 in the middle of your D at the top of the box? get destroyed? yikes
May 23rd, 2024 at 12:11 pm
JTS is soft and, at times, his effort is questionable.
6 games? 8 games? It doesn’t matter after 17 games, he will be an ex-Buc and scrambling for a job somewhere else next year
May 23rd, 2024 at 12:47 pm
@Joe:
You had an article back before the draft with Bowles’ comments about JTS. Something about putting him into different floating roles and assignments. Could be code for the bench or could be another “chess piece” move.
On a more general note, you often write about Bowles’ background as a safety and how that relates to his scheme. Would love to hear more skinny on that.
May 23rd, 2024 at 1:41 pm
Braswell is in play to supplant JTS as a starting edge rusher by the bye week
Grandma Jones could supplant JTS
May 23rd, 2024 at 1:41 pm
JTS is a poor tackler, not good for an inside linebacker
May 23rd, 2024 at 2:09 pm
To be honest? JTS should be long gone. Bowles will start him for 3 maybe 4 games. But if Braswell kicks bitt in training camp, JTSW might not start at all. Miracles do happen. JTS might breakout. I think not though. We have seen his best. He is a backup.
May 23rd, 2024 at 3:09 pm
Would like to see him play before he’s anointed, JTS isn’t bad he’s just not top-tier. If Bowles starts Bras then I’ll accept that he’s been great in practice and preseason and the choice was obvious, but I don’t see him rushing to that judgement by g1.
People always try and throw players under the bus for new players, let’s just try to hope for the best regardless!
May 23rd, 2024 at 4:01 pm
If Jason gets any trade offers for JTS, he should strongly consider the option. They might be able to get a bacon sammich.
May 23rd, 2024 at 4:09 pm
Braswell is the real deal. 7 sacks this year. Mark the tape.
May 23rd, 2024 at 4:56 pm
I agree Joe. We also know Bowles is hesitant to give rookies starting snaps unless they truly understand EVERYTHING about their position.
But I hope we’re both wrong, and Braswell looks so good that they HAVE to start him!
May 23rd, 2024 at 8:17 pm
Braswell is going to be good, I really don’t want to say it but… You’re out ah here JTS. I mean the rope should’ve run out before the beginning of last season. Soon 😜. Go Bucs!!!!
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:06 pm
You all are aware that your “sack king,” Shaq Barrett, only had 11 sacks TOTAL his first 3 yrs in the league. Only 14 in his first 4 yrs That’s only 1 more sack than JTS (13) in 1 more full season. Just saying
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:33 pm
Best thing that could happen for the Bucs is that Yaya improves, JTS plays good, and Braswell also plays well. Then when JTS wants a bag of Bucs cash we can tell him no, let another team over pay and let our young guys develop and then pay them. Then the Bucs land a compensation pick for losing JTS because some team will over pay and then run him out as a starter.
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:38 pm
Although it probably won’t happen, I think second round pick Noah Spence got the Buccaneer home game at the end of either his third or fourth preseason. They gave him every chance to make a statement in the preseason but he came up with zero sacks. If you see a lot of JTS in the preseason without any results, you might see the same thing happen again.
May 23rd, 2024 at 10:44 pm
ChiBuc, the reason Shaq didn’t get a lot of sacks his first four years was because
he was playing behind some real sack artists.
If JTS rings in 11 or 12 sacks then you are faced with the dilemma of trying to figure out if those are going to be a year to year event or a one time thing because his contract was coming up for negotiation. The Bucs didn’t have to worry about that with Winfield.
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:11 pm
i don’t see him being given a forced promotion back to starter…
literally it would be a “forced promotion”…
unless he wins the job outright in camp, i say leave it as an open competition with gregory him and braswell – and see how it goes…
or some dark horse comes into the competition out of nowhere…
as of now, i kinda thing gregory starts the season, and it goes from there – since we didn’t make a splash signing…
but there’s still time for a couple real dudes to shake loose – it happens…
#DudesOverDuds
May 23rd, 2024 at 11:42 pm
drdneast: “the reason Shaq didn’t get a lot of sacks his first four years was because
he was playing behind some real sack artists.”
I know this narrative and it really just says that the other LBs on those denver squads were better. Shaq suited up and played in all of the games during his denver days and didn’t seem to take full advantage of those 1st team all pro CBs like the othe LBs did. A true “king” rises. But really, my point was that it is still a tad early on JTS, and I agree with Joe that the seat is JTS’s until “dethroned” mid season. I actually think by game 5 or 6
May 24th, 2024 at 7:38 am
“unless he wins the job outright in camp, i say leave it as an open competition with gregory him and braswell – and see how it goes…”
It’s clearly going to be a rotation, just like we saw last season where some defensive tweaks called for 3 OLBs on the DL w/one DT/DE