Stop With The Russell Wilson Chatter — He’s Washed!
March 5th, 2024
Toast.
Man, Joe has never seen anything like this.
A guy comes into town replacing a legend, puts up career numbers and leads the Bucs not only to a better record than what Tom Brady had in 2022, but got the Bucs within a timeout and a score of an NFC title game. And people act like the guy was Mike Glennon or something.
National folks like to say Bucs pending free agent quarterback Baker Mayfield found a home in Tampa and he is loved here. Bulls(p)it! Joe has never seen so many folks want to run a guy out of town for allegedly being “loved.”
It’s embarrassing if not shameful.
So last night Joe read in the comments on this here website, allegedly sober (?), that the Bucs should sign washed free agent quarterback Russell Wilson so the Bucs can spend more on defense.
It’s a nice thought but there’s one huge oversight: Wilson is shot. Done. Finished. Washed. There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.
By cutting bait with Wilson, Sean Payton and the Broncos now have to eat $85 million (!) of dead money. That’s right around a third of the salary cap! That’s how bad Payton wanted the guy out of town.
And the Bucs are supposed to wave goodbye to Mayfield after they re-signed Mike Evans and hired his preferred offensive coordinator to pick this Wilson up, really?
People either need to sober up or crawl out of their Trojan horse that is stocked with Kyle Trask jerseys.
Pining for Wilson is a back-door move by the Trask Occult for their guy to get on the field.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:03 am
Joe … ‘Wilson is shot. Done. Finished. Washed. There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.’
You do know Joe that you could’ve written the same thing about Baker Mayfield when he came here last year. I’d say the Browns and Panthers pretty much gave up on him. And oh ya, the Rams didn’t exactly go all out to bring him back.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:04 am
Joes -I’m afraid your diagnosis is spot on.
In the immortal words of Ron White, “You can’t fix stupid.”
March 5th, 2024 at 9:05 am
Joe … ‘By cutting bait with Wilson, Sean Payton and the Broncos now have to eat $85 million (!) of dead money.’
And there-in lies the danger of over-paying for middle-of-the-pack QBs. If they don’t get resurrected, you’re screwed for several years.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:05 am
I can appreciate your passion Joe but I think maybe you’re overstating the Baker hater’s thing. Seems like they are much more vocal about their distain for Mayfield than the anti Trask group. in other words, the Baker haters just yell louder and more often.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:06 am
“Denver ate a third of their cap to be done with him.”
Nothing like that for Baker – and the Rams didn’t give up on him, they have a guy named Stafford.
Can’t fix stupid.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:06 am
Where is this mythical Trask “Occult” that I always hear about here? Even as a Gator fan I’ve hardly ever heard of anyone who legitimately thinks Trask should be starting.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:09 am
I’m glad you wrote that last paragraph or I would have been trying to figure out that Trojan horse analogy all day.
Wilson is a bad QB but a even worse person.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:10 am
He’s washed but I wouldn’t want to see him with the Falcons….
March 5th, 2024 at 9:10 am
Not only is he washed, but Russell Wilson is all about Russell Wilson. By all accounts last year you’d have to be ignorant or a liar to say the same about Baker.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:11 am
This is not a different story than Baker.
Bucs took a gamble on a player, mainly because of the salary, was a happy ending story with Baker, and we wouldn’t know with Wilson, because he will be hired by somebody (Steelers) for the cheap, because will be really cheap.
Would I take the gamble? The answer is no…. But is tempting.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:12 am
^^
Exactly right Dr.
Where are all these Joes and fans who have broken down film on Denver.
Bad offensive line. Receivers that are injured. Running backs that have under performed.
But in any case, I am not pushing for Russell Wilson. I prefer Baker slightly. He is younger. He seems better guy in the locker room, a skill that I admit I overrated in the past with Jameis Winston.
I just find it hilarious that so many Baker fans point to his QBR last season as so good, yet Russell Wilson’s QBR was better.
Personally, I go with the Bucs brass and they want Baker. Then probably the right choice. If they end up with someone else. Then that guy is probably the right choice.
Go Baker! But really, any debate for the Baker fans just goes to a whole new level. They act like he has been voted an all pro in his career. It has not happened.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:16 am
Boy I hope he signs with the falcons
March 5th, 2024 at 9:17 am
lol great post. All you slack jawed, knuckle dragging, remedial, delusional mongoloid Trask fans need to go outside and touch some grass
March 5th, 2024 at 9:19 am
He might be a crumy teammate but last I checked he has a super bowl ring and baker doesn’t #!!
March 5th, 2024 at 9:19 am
I’m pretty sure the Russell Wilson talk is coming from one guy with 12 different posted names.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:19 am
Joe, you are spot on 100% correct on the morons on this site. How your blog has attracted some of the dumbest people on earth is really amazing.
Thanks for setting the record right and now may they go and crawl back under the rock that they came from.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:21 am
Tell them Joe…we were gifted a young quality QB last year and the traskers want us to flush him down the john…. incredulous…Baker got a raw deal in Cleveland thanks to Odell and his dad and Joe Montana couldn’t have helped Carolina….I’m very open to debate but not when you open with the bucs shouldn’t spend more than $10m a year on baker or some other absurd things I’ve read here. I’ve been a buc fan since day 1 and I for one I’m tickled pink we have our guy…sign him
March 5th, 2024 at 9:23 am
As far as Mayfield goes he’s a good QB! The difference is the entire team loves the guy and wants to play for him. You can’t underestimate the value of a great leader.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:24 am
It’s a nice thought but one huge oversight: Wilson is shot. Done. Finished. Washed. There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.
See any similarities there?
March 5th, 2024 at 9:25 am
Baker is not a great QB joe.. seems like u love scrubs. Mike will play with Trask it’s already written..
March 5th, 2024 at 9:27 am
D cone….break the similarities down for me…I don’t see them…help a brother out…educate me
March 5th, 2024 at 9:28 am
Babysitting….nothing you wrote makes any sense…total gibberish
March 5th, 2024 at 9:28 am
@ DR
You nailed it…
“There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.”
I was going to say the exact same thing… This was Baker one season ago. LOL!
“there-in lies the danger of over-paying for middle-of-the-pack QBs. If they don’t get resurrected, you’re screwed for several years.”
Right again – and this is all I’ve been trying to say. Overpaying for a mediocre QB is not a good idea. I still believe Baker is the Bucs best choice for a QB but I don’t want to give him a fully guaranteed contract and the Bucs should be able to bail after year 2 if they need to.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:29 am
Absolutely Spot on Joe, its an insanity. It really is.
But its not alot of people. Its 3 or 4 fast food employees, with 5 poster names each.
But can you believe how bad Russell Wilson has fallen? Pete Carrol and Sean Peyton have found him “uncoachable”
They could have just taken their lumps, made him the 3rd string QB, and forgotten about him. That would have saved them millions compared to what they
Did!
They said we dont want you in our locker room, and will take the Biggest payroll hit in sports history, to get you out of our Locker room!
Unbelievable.
A few years ago, He was a decent QB.
I dont know what could destroy a young multimillionaires career so completely as
That. (Ahem). Its very similar to the Josh Freeman nosedive years ago.
I feel bad for the Broncos. Its like they just had an expensive surgery, to remove a cancer!. They didnt deserve that.
Yet there are People here who are actually suggesting we bring this guy into our lockerroom, to replace a 28 year old probowl, playoff winning QB!
Its beyond just a difference of opinions. Its really a madness at this point. And it Hijacks every post, to the point that we can no longer discuss real football!
I dont know what fast food restaurant these 3 derranged individuals work at, but the public should be warned!
Rod Munch, you’re crew chief there. Do us a solid, and let us know.
And Ive begun to believe that it is in fact 3 teenage girls. You seldom see this kind of undying passion in guys.
This the kind of obsessive devotion you only see in young girls towards celebrities, Singers, actors. And like always- its frightening
March 5th, 2024 at 9:30 am
I bet the gang of baker haters is really just 2 or 3 saints fans under many different user names….what else are they going to do
March 5th, 2024 at 9:31 am
Wilson will end up with canales and mentor young.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:33 am
I love how Joe never mentions the boneheaded interception in the middle of the defense by Baker. Always “one timeout and a score away from nfc championship game” well Joe if he wouldn’t have forced that interception and threw it away, we would have had a legitimate chance. Just say it, it’s ok he did well for a guy who was reviving his career but quit acting like he wasn’t the reason we lost.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:33 am
What a head case he turned into, stepped all over his own career and legacy.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:33 am
Absolutely brutal for the Broncos given the amount of money and draft capital wasted. Going to be hard to turn that franchise around. They need a GM like ours to do that.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:34 am
Defense Rules Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 9:03 am
You do know Joe that you could’ve written the same thing about Baker Mayfield when he came here last year.
LOL NO you couldn’t . Baker is not going on 36 and he has not had three years without a winning record. never mind that not a single team he was on ate any large sum just to get rid of him
I told you – hate rots the mind. All this talk by the same Baker hating names PROVES its NOT about getting a super star elite Qb. Its that you will entertain and push any QB as long as his name is not Mayfield. You’re that butt hurt about being proven wrong last season and For a good many of your clan YEP it IS all about Trask.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:34 am
If you look at Wilson’s stats, they are similar to Mayfields, and slightly better. Denver’s regular season record was 8-9 instead of 9-8 for the Bucs. If Wilson had played in the weak NFC south, chances are he would be in the playoffs.
There is legitimacy in looking at alternate possibilities at QB if Mayfield has visions of franchise QB dollars. He’s a career below 500 QB who had a decent season, hopefully Licht uses good judgment and doesn’t mortgage the future for an average QB. I recall the mid season discussion on the Ira Kauffman podcast where Ira and the Joes discussed benching Mayfield.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:35 am
Lol
March 5th, 2024 at 9:38 am
Wilson is not “washed” – his stats last year were decent to good.
Russell Wilson (throwing to worse talent) had a higher completion % and the same # of total TDs as Baker Mayfield with less interceptions and a better QB rating….
And Wilson will be playing in 2024 for substantially LESS than Mayfield earned in 2023…. a pittance…. That’s the biggest thing that will draw a team to want to sign him.
Apparently though – the dude’s personality is toxic -which makes him the polar opposite of why the Bucs want to hang onto Mayfield….
March 5th, 2024 at 9:41 am
BucBen61 Bingo!!! There are a couple of long-time JBF posters that aren’t big on Mayfield, but for the most part, it’s constantly made-up names appearing. Wilson is most likely done! Highly doubt anyone wants the distraction.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:43 am
40 Million per year for Baker after an average at beat season for a QB is wild… thats signing up to know that no superbowls will be won during his tenure.. and the way he takes hits and given his size.. thats paying all that money to see the back up for 3 to 4 games a year…
And the same thing about washed was being said about Baker.. hence the Bucs getting him for a 1 year prove it deal… and I rooted for Baker all year last year.. I can just admit that he’s not gonna win a superbowl in Tampa.. so why pay 40 million a year… makes zero sense… thats like paying Daniel Jones after 1 okay season.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:45 am
RGA Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 9:34 am
If you look at Wilson’s stats, they are similar to Mayfields
Stop! You are making my sides hurt. That hater weed is pretty strong eh?
IN the last three years Wiilson has not even come close to 4000 yards but you have the “stats” as even
March 5th, 2024 at 9:47 am
@ DR and Pick
Wilson can be signed for $1.2M since Denver is picking up the tab in 2024.
If the Bucs can get a similar performance for a fraction of the price I would be fine with that.
I trust our GM to make the right move with this situation.
I have a feeling we will probably see Baker sign with the Bucs this week.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:47 am
“There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.”
2 teams gave up on Mayfield and a 3rd let him go in less that 2 years. But I agree 100%. I always thought he was over rated with the Seahawks. I was hoping the Bucs didn’t sign him last year and thought Denver was crazy to sign him at that price. Goes to show how media can hype and destroy a value of a player. Mayfield may have looked shaky at times last year but overall has earned a chance to return and give it a go.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:47 am
If somehow we lose Baker, they’re going to go after Penix pretty hard in the draft.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:48 am
Dak Prescott is 2-5 in NFL playoffs
Lamar Jackson is 2-4 in NFL playoffs
Prescott cap number this year or next will be astronomical…maybe Dallas and Baltimore should think about parting ways with their QBs and bring Wilson in for free…they can use the money daving to sign defensive players
Baker haters see how ridiculous you sound….I suggest another sport football is clearly above you
March 5th, 2024 at 9:50 am
No to Wilson. Why do fans always think we need a retread QB?
BTW, Joe. DR and Marine Buc are spot on. Everything you typed about Wilson was being typed about Mayfield last offseason. I get it, you have a mancrush on Manziel 2.0. It’s clouding your judgement.
As hard as I’ve been on Bowles, it was his defense that carried this team to 9-8 and a playoff win. Anytime the defense didn’t show up, it was a loss. At no point did Baker and the offense will the team to victory when the defense was playing poorly. Winfield and McLaughlin won more games by themselves than Baker did.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:52 am
Frankly anyone wanting Baker out and Wilson in as starting QB for Bucs is insane.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:55 am
Realistic…didn’t the defense collapse and cost us the Houston game
Didn’t Mayfield throw 3tds and 300+ yards in both playoff games… delusional much
March 5th, 2024 at 9:59 am
What RGA said… Joe is overreacting and a huge fan of Baker. Most of us see the truth… he’s okay at a mid-tier price, but above that, look elsewhere. Has nothing to do with Trask.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:00 am
@BucBen61, so you’re just confirming my point? When the defense no-showed, we always lost.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:03 am
LAST YEAR THIS TIME EVERYONE THOUGHT BAKER MAYFIELD WAS WASH UP, RUSSELL CAN BE HAD ON THE CHEAP.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:04 am
BucBen61 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 9:27 am
D cone….break the similarities down for me…I don’t see them…help a brother out…educate me
These are not what I was referring to but because you need schooling.
Wilson in 2023. 7 and 8 on a team with fewer weapons and dog shat defense. 37 fewer yards passing but 26 TD’s and 8 picks in 2 fewer games. Mayfield had a few more big game. credit Evan, Godwin, White and most of all Canales. Beat Bears, Packers, and Vikings. Wilson also able to beat the Bills and Chiefs.
Peyton wanted his own guy like the next Buc coach will want his. Wilson was productive with the Broncos.
Similarities I was referring to was Cleveland Benched, Carolina Benched, Rams he was a Back Up at best in their eyes. Mayfield was not good enough to battle and Old Man for the Rams starting job apparently at moved on to easier pickin’s.
I suppose you could split hairs on the Wilson had 2 in 3 and Mayfield 3 in 2.
I could school you all day long but I have to go bus some tables and change the water in the dish tank.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:05 am
@ Jordan
Penix is an interesting prospect. His deep throw accuracy is amazing.
I am just a little concerned by his injury history – 4 years at Indiana – 4 season ending injuries – 2 Knee surgeries and 2 shoulder surgeries already…
March 5th, 2024 at 10:07 am
SHORT-TERM MEMORIES … WOW!
The year before they came to Tampa Bay:
-TB12 was … wait for it … WASHED!!!!!
-Baker was … wait for it … THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF THE NFL!!!!
The Bucs are going to resign Baker but don’t act like we all knew he’d have a good year. Realistically, it wasn’t that great. I remember 9-0 versus Carolina and losing every “must win” game. We only beat the bad teams.
Ask yourself this: What would be the most surprising?
A) Baker has another good year.
B) Baker has a terrible year.
C) Baker is injured.
Baker had 1 good season. He’s a lot of bad seasons. Russ is proven. Russ doesn’t often get injured. Russ on the cheap would lead to a lot of good FAs. We’d contend.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:08 am
joe dude…joe dood…
it’s obviously something to consider…
sign for pennies, have a revival…and have tons of money to play with to sign top free agents etc…
what is not to discuss joeski…?
the negatives are he is supposedly 5’11″…2 inches shorter than baker…???…that’s crazy in itself…freakin’ midget for a qb these days…
he’s 35 and i think is 36 going into the season…
and if he really is washed, that combo is very very dangerous…a washed short old guy…yikes…
however just a few years ago he was still one of the better qb’s in the nfl…
maybe he got old or got jason sehorn syndrome…lol
March 5th, 2024 at 10:12 am
Again, funny to see some of these posts bearing down Trask supporters…:
A) Don’t wanna see Licht offer $40 mil /year contract to an inconsistent QB that has 1 year of performance with the Bucs
B) Definitely DO NOT want Russell Wilson here. There’s something about him that is causing locker room issues now. He seems to be all about himself more than the team….
If we can’t get a reasonable deal done w Mayfield, let him walk, and try to grab Penix. Start Trask next year…
Take the saved funds, improve interior offensive line, try to trade for Brian Burns to replace Shaq, and roll from there.
Still think we can have an OK team 🤷🏻♂️
March 5th, 2024 at 10:18 am
It’s like any other topic that is out in the public eye. There are always haters and they will be the most vocal…but not representative of the majority. When we first got Brady there were haters, and there still are. I try not to pay attention to those folks.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:19 am
Baker is better than Russ at this point in his career…obviously!
(And Baker is young. He might still be getting better.)
March 5th, 2024 at 10:21 am
If Baker takes his talents elsewhere and the Bucs don’t trust Trask, give me Russell as a bridge to the QB you draft (which is probably what the Raiders will do).
@BucFann1988 – Russell Wilson is brilliant. Sean Payton did everything to make Wilson do something detrimental to void his contract. He did not take the bait, like most of us, the contract that you offered and I signed, honor that.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:21 am
yes you hear a lot about russell wilson acting like a barry bonds…
has own office in the locker room type sh!t…
thinks he’s all that since marrying a singer…
thinks he’s above the players…
but if goedeke and wirfy grab him up and smack the sh!t outta him – he just might come to his senses…lol 🙂
March 5th, 2024 at 10:25 am
i am not here rallying for russell wilson…i was just discussing the upside of having an abundance of cap room to play with for years, while paying a proven qb almost next to nothing…
i like baker and his moxie a whole lot…the guys in the locker room have his back…
sign him…
40 mil a year sounds a little wild tho…
i staunchly stand by my number 3 years 100 mil…
let get baker back and cookin’ in the pot…
(had to discuss the crazy wilson scenario tho)
March 5th, 2024 at 10:27 am
It’s comical how all the Baker fans are the ones doing all the name calling…”morons” “fast food workers” “little girls”
Whereas the “Baker haters” are merely pointing out the guy is a middle-of-the pack QB with a career losing percentage that very likely reached his ceiling last season.
Is it really that outrageous that some us want to consider spending 40X less on a QB that might give us similar results?
March 5th, 2024 at 10:27 am
Retread QB’s that did pretty well after failing with their 2nd team.
Kurt Warner. Age 34 to 39.
Carson Palmer. Age 34 to 38.
Rich Gannon. Age 34 to 39.
Russell Wilson may be washed.
But all these GM’s on Joe Bucs fans who have scouted him are amazing.
The so-called washed Russell Wilson had a higher QBR last year than Baker Mayfield.
Just asking a few questions for a friend.
Why can’t I think that Baker is the better quarterback for 2024, but not that much better of a quarterback for 2024 than a Russell Wilson?
Why do I have to believe that Baker is a top 12 quarterback in the league?
Why can’t I belief that the PFF ranking of him being 19th of 38th ranked quarterbacks for last seaon is very fair?
March 5th, 2024 at 10:29 am
And my post does not consider all the dudes on here that said Tom Brady was so-called washed up QB as well.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:30 am
Russell Wilson nearly had the same stats as Baker Mayfield last year, 26 touchdowns and eight pickoffs with over 3,000 yards passing, that’s washed??
March 5th, 2024 at 10:31 am
SlyPirate Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 10:07 am
Baker had 1 good season. He’s a lot of bad seasons.
^^^^^^^^
Baker has had 3 good seasons in the NFL.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:32 am
This is going to be an embarassing set of articles when the Bucs sign Wilson.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:32 am
Fansince76 … ‘Frankly anyone wanting Baker out and Wilson in as starting QB for Bucs is insane.’
Looking back through the comments, didn’t see anyone who’s saying ‘Sign Wilson instead of Mayfield’. Me included BTW; I value LEADERSHIP on & off the field, and Baker filled that square in 2023. I’ve consistently said that he impressed me last year, and that we should re-sign him for $25 – $30 mil a year for about a 3-year contract.
What I DON’T want the Bucs to do is make the exact same mistake as the Broncos (or the Giants) … overpaying for a QB who’s not a difference-maker (ie, ‘franchise QB’ like Mahomes as an example). Baker, like most NFL QBs, NEEDS a solid TEAM around him to be successful. If that’s not obvious to you, check his time with Cleveland & Carolina.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:35 am
Wilson posted decent numbers last year. His biggest problem is that he’s a legend n his own mind. He’s a diva, a phony, and a locker room d00shbag. He’s sort of pretend-humble. Not a winner anymore.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:36 am
If I have to pay Baker 35 million or Trask. I’ll take my chances with Trask and upgrade around him. If Purdy can lead the 49ers Trask can lead the bucs. Will there be bumps in the road? Yes. We lost what 6 in a row last year and was able to recover. I’m not a Baker hater. Last year at his price point I can see why we took the calculated risk. This year I’m willing to take that same calculated risk with Trask.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:39 am
They wont listen, and they wont stop.
Its not a Buc football site anymore.
Its a gay bromance site for Kyle Trask lover, where his fanbois come and trash Mayfield, hoping somehow their hero will start.
Ive been posting here a long time. I may be one of the longest tenured posters here! Lol.
But its getting hard to come here everyday, and see the same few people hijack every post and topic.
I know its not your fault. I dont know how youd fix it.
But while some of it may draw traffic, its getting hard to deal with daily.
Gotta be even worse for you!
March 5th, 2024 at 10:42 am
I’m not a fan of Wilson’s character and it’s my recollection that he left both the Seahawks and broncos without much support from his teammates.
However I think it would be a good Marketing move for the Bucs to bring in Wilson to compete with Baker, Wolford, and Trask. Wilson has such a big ego that he’d love to come in and throw a bunch of long balls to ME. The National media would eat it up and maybe the Glazers could sell more jerseys. JBF would really get on fire with Wilson and Baker and Trask haters. I’d love to sit back and read all the hate notes! Fun!
March 5th, 2024 at 10:46 am
Dcone…Baker threw for over 4000 yards last season Wilson for 3000…please double check your facts
March 5th, 2024 at 10:46 am
“Enrage to engage” that’s all this is.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:47 am
I don’t know if Wilson is “washed,” but if Mayfield goes elsewhere for stupid cheese for some reason, what’s Plan B? Trask?
March 5th, 2024 at 10:47 am
Baker had great success in Cleveland why do some continue to distort facts
March 5th, 2024 at 10:48 am
adam from ny Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 10:25 am
i am not here rallying for russell wilson…i was just discussing the upside of having an abundance of cap room to play with for years, while paying a proven qb almost next to nothing…
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Okay at least you sound half way reasonable so let me ask where are you getting this idea You’ll get a Qb for next to nothing “for years”. Granted I have not looked closely at WIlson’s contract but everything I see says Denver cut him so they would NOt have to pick up 2025
Its NOt a fully guaranteed contract. SO yes 2024 you get him probably for the minimum because it doesnt matter but after that what makes you think he will stay for that?
Maybe he is owed something more? but I am not seeing that from what I have read. A good chunk of the guaranraeed money seems to have already ben paid out already.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:48 am
I’m just patiently waiting to see who is drafted and who is signed. In other words, let me know when the roster when training camp begins. As a fan, I do get tired reading all the conjecture and what-ifs.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:50 am
Baker has the same amount of playoff wins as Dak Prescott and Lamar Jackson
March 5th, 2024 at 10:52 am
“adam from ny Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 10:08 am
joe dude…joe dood…
imaybe he got old or got jason sehorn syndrome…lol”
I played with Sehorn in JC in Cali. Dude was blazing fast at that level, and because of that, had a massive ego. Not surprised he didn’t do too well at the NFL level.
Also, at the same time, he had ALL the physical tools I wished I had, and he did get to the league.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:54 am
I’m rooting for him to go to Seattle because I think it would be funny
March 5th, 2024 at 10:55 am
The only reason there is a debate is because Russ will likely sign for the vet minimum. It’s about the opportunity cost. Its not just Russ vs Baker. It’s Russ plus the 30+ million in cap space to spend on other postions of need vs Baker. On paper Russ plus the extra players is > Baker but the key X factor that doesn’t make that a reality outside of on paper is Russ the person and teammate imo. Russ seems like an awful locker room guy that his teammates hate. There’s a reason why the Broncos are willing to take all these dead cap hits. Meanwhile Baker is a great locker room guy and I think there is something to be said to keeping the good chemistry of this locker room. Especially when you are talking the QB position which is naturally a leadership position. If Baker starts asking/getting 40M+ then maybe it’s worth entertaining. If you can lock Baker in to a 3 year deal at 30M-35M then your better off staying put
March 5th, 2024 at 10:59 am
Wilson lacks the ability to mentally process Peyton’s scheme . Simple . His numbers were deceiving, in that much of his yards/ tds were the result of him failing to hit the designed read, then scramble , and get broken play yards. Qb demands a cerebral level of processing beyond one read. Interestingly, peyton spoke highly of bakers ability. Shanahan, too, praised bakers mental side of the game. Coaches fume when they spend 60 hours a week formulating a scheme for an opponent, then your qb breaks out of the pocket and flushes the entire plan down the toilet. That’s why broncos are eating 85 million this year.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:59 am
Gaaaa. No!
March 5th, 2024 at 11:02 am
“…but got the Bucs within a timeout and a score of an NFC title game.” – Joe
Not true. A pick, yes.
“By cutting bait with Wilson, Sean Payton and the Broncos now have to eat $85 million (!) of dead money.” – Joe
Could be the Bucs next year if you get your way.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:02 am
Bucben61 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 10:46 am
Dcone…Baker threw for over 4000 yards last season Wilson for 3000…please double check your facts
Apologies, I omitted the word Averaged before the 37 yards.
Funny how an omission changes everything.
Omit the three actual Pro bowl QB’s and Mayfield gets to brag he made the Pro Bowl.
Kind of like an Olympian finishing 4th and gets the Gold because the Top 3 get Disqualified for PED’s.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:02 am
Lol! When you’re right Joe, you’re right! The shame is that if they got Wilson or Trask, they’d blame the ensuing meltdown on Coach. They speak and say nothing of value.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:06 am
Dom Says
“The only reason there is a debate is because Russ will likely sign for the vet minimum. It’s about the opportunity cost. Its not just Russ vs Baker. It’s Russ plus the 30+ million in cap space to spend on other positions of need vs Baker.”
Nailed it.
But hey, bring him in for competition…you know…so Mayfield is put in the same position Trask was last year.
I will say that Wilson was once on a path to the Hall of Fame. He believes in himself and is willing to prove himself at vet minimum. If he busts, there is nothing lost except Mayfield, who will, according to Joe, “Regress” from his average performance of last year.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:07 am
Gene Says
“Lol! When you’re right Joe, you’re right! The shame is that if they got Wilson or Trask, they’d blame the ensuing meltdown on Coach. They speak and say nothing of value.”
“If” being the keyword there.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:07 am
This is a bad take
He gets his pick at some decent teams to land on with his unique contract situation.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:08 am
1976 Says
“I’ve never seen so many folks want to run a guy out of town for going to a particular school.”
Winston 🙂 (in the beginning)
March 5th, 2024 at 11:10 am
Wilson is capable….I just don’t think he’s overly motivated to be a great QB. His focus is tilted towards his off field endeavors than actual football. He also seems to leave on bad terms with every team. I thought the demands he had for his own parking space and personal office were telling and definitely rubbed teammates the wrong way. He’s a glorified game manager that can’t carry a team or even lead it. A lot of these guys are simply out there for the lifestyle, not to be great at their craft. Brady played at a discount nearly his entire career in order to win. Wilson maxes out the cap while needing a ton of help to be effective. Not a fan of the guy.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:11 am
Did Joe just write a piece about JBF comments? That’s hilarious. And not it in a good way. But I still laughed.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:12 am
Could said the same thing about baker lol.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:12 am
I just can’t help myself, so here goes:
Let’s start out training camp with Mayfield, Wilson, Trask and let’s throw in Winston for fun.
Wouldn’t that be an outrageous QB competition?
ROFL.
(Yes this is sordid sarcasm).
March 5th, 2024 at 11:13 am
For the Bronco ownership to eat near 80 million and do the NFL walk of shame because they saw this as the best way forward says everything I need to know about Wilson.
It’s always fun to get under the skin of bakers jock sniffers though.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:14 am
Joe in Michigan Says:
Baker has had 3 good seasons in the NFL.
Trust me It doesn’t matter how you correct them. they ”ll go away for a day or two and then come back with the same false claim as fact a couple days later.
Same thing with multilpe claims they have. Actual demonstrably facts don’t matter
March 5th, 2024 at 11:14 am
1976 did you run out of Names, Animals, Cities and Countries?
March 5th, 2024 at 11:16 am
So many assume a baker contract is in the works since Mike signed. It may be, but doesn’t have to be. Mikes agent could have been told if baker doesn’t sign that contract, he will be franchised and will be backs. So don’t count our chickens….
March 5th, 2024 at 11:17 am
Here’s something to consider…last year, before we signed Mayfield…if Russel Wilson had been available for vet minimum as well, without seeing last season, who would we have wanted?
Keep in mind, Wilson at least won a superbowl and had a bunch of good seasons. His career percentage is much better than Mayfield before last season.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:19 am
Remember that last time we had a “washed” super bowl winning QB?
That worked out pretty well.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:20 am
There are SO MANY better potions than a declining Russell Wilson…
A qb that success depended so much on his legs to escape and extend plays who has rapidly lost that ability!
March 5th, 2024 at 11:24 am
[Accusing someone of a felony who has never been charged is a real good way to get run. Joe is responsible for every word on this site. Please be more careful. — Joe.]
March 5th, 2024 at 11:24 am
To play devils advocate, if Baker decide to sign elsewhere for more money, i.e. Dave Canales. Russ might not be a bad option as a bridge qb and draft a qb.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:26 am
Yawn, did he sign yet?
March 5th, 2024 at 11:27 am
1976 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 11:07 am
That’s nothing. THREE teams gave up on Mayfield in THREE years.
Name the three or you, as usual, are lying. and if you claim the Rams you are still lying . They wanted to sign him but he wanted to leave because they already had Stafford under contract before he ever got there ( stafford was just injured).
Any dufus could figure out Baker is loved in LA by the plain fact that every offenssive coach that comes out of there has expressed interest in Baker. Thats the wholer reason that the Bucs brought many of them in and signed one as OC
March 5th, 2024 at 11:27 am
Free will…agree…if Baker for some reason doesn’t resign I think Russ would be perfect bridge QB at his age
March 5th, 2024 at 11:30 am
Go right ahead Bucs. Take that chance. Wilson is washed just like the article here says. And we will be too if we gamble on him. Sure, we get him at a discount. And about 5 wins to go along with it.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:32 am
Russell could bring us a SB. Baker never will. Its just reality
March 5th, 2024 at 11:33 am
Hey gofortheface30, calling us Trask fans ‘slacked jawed and knuckle dragging’? I’ll have you know the only time my jaw slacks is when I’m in awe of Trask’s clipboard-holding technique. Pure poetry. And knuckles? They only drag from the weight of our hefty Trask fan club badges. Get with the program, or are you too busy reminiscing about Mayfield’s single tearful glance at a Cleveland poster?
March 5th, 2024 at 11:36 am
1976 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 11:18 am
Where are Toni Marksfield and OklahomaJoe and FSU.Tim
LOL it takes a special kind of idiot to ask where I am when I have been in this thread posting this morning.
and no Silly. Baker is still with the bucs. The reaon why they call the period legal tamering us s because the player is still with the team
Eic fail again.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:38 am
I’m just imagining what it would look like if Russell setup an office in one buc place and called in wirfs or goedeke….
Oh man that makes me laugh.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:42 am
Personally I want no part of Wilson. If his name wasn’t attached to glory from years ago, no one would be mentioning it. From all angles and sources he seems to be a bad teammate. And as mentioned repeatedly, for a team to willingly swallow that big of a cap head, well that says it all really. His saccharine persona and complete lack of fire as a leader shouldn’t be appealing to any of us. And he’s on the wrong side of 35 and is no longer dangerous as a runner. What’s the appeal again?
March 5th, 2024 at 11:46 am
1976 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 11:40 am
@Toni Marksfield
You know, I was wrong.
Of course you were. What else is new? You said that three teams gave up on Baker and now you are even trying to fudge Bucs who are trying to sign him in order to save yout lying soul 🙂
March 5th, 2024 at 12:03 pm
Is they sign for more than 30 mil they are very desperate. Teams are trying to improve Bucs are satisfied with staying the same. Sorry thats the just the way it is.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:07 pm
This Joe has become a full fledged Baker Boi.
Also I saw Wilson at the end of the year, and he didn’t looked washed up at all. In fact, he looked better than Baker did for most of his starts.
I’ll take Wilson and a couple of starters for what you’d pay Baker.
At the very least the Bucs should be bringing that up to drive down the cost if they insist on bringing back the middling Baker.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:09 pm
I like Russell Wilson and to be fair Denver isn’t a talented club by any means…I like baker mayfield and what he brung last year so I think baker is the choice only way we get russ is if baker over values his stats from last year but it’s a production league so edge goes to baker
March 5th, 2024 at 12:12 pm
I’m certainly not a member of the occult of Trask (and no, I’m not going to take credit for that name but we all know where it came from) but even I would rather have Trask over Weirdo Russel Wilson.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:13 pm
You got it exactly right. They want Wilson, who WILL fail and then their guy Trask gets to be the savior.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:22 pm
120 comments and running – lol! Apparently Joe struck a nerve. And with an article topic focused simply on fan comments. Brilliant 🙂
March 5th, 2024 at 12:25 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 12:07 pm
I’ll take Wilson and a couple of starters for what you’d pay Baker.
and then what do you do oh great Gm only in your mind when you have the cash tied up in additional starters and Wilson is not under a minimum contract in 2025?
March 5th, 2024 at 12:28 pm
Where’s all the Trask cultists Joe always talks about?
No where to be found….cause it’s a myth.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:28 pm
40 mil a year for complacency is bad business and a bad culture move
March 5th, 2024 at 12:29 pm
Wilson had 28 tds to 8 ints last year. Baker had 28 tds to 10 ints last year
March 5th, 2024 at 12:31 pm
Tony Marks Says:
“Wilson is not under a minimum contract in 2025?”
So you admit he can be good! 😉
March 5th, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Buc1987 Says:
Where’s all the Trask cultists Joe always talks about?
No where to be found….cause it’s a myth.
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Yeah, it’s part of the nonsense narrative put out by the Baker Bois. If you’re not 110% for Baker, then you want Kyle Trask starting, even if you’ve literally said the opposite.
BUT… with that said… lets see, Trask and an extra $35-40m that you can spend on other positions. Is a middling Baker actually that much better than Trask? I don’t know since we haven’t seen Trask. It is an interesting question.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:34 pm
Tony Marks Says:
and then what do you do oh great Gm only in your mind when you have the cash tied up in additional starters and Wilson is not under a minimum contract in 2025?
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You just sign whatever new middling QB comes along. They’re a dime a dozen.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:36 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 12:31 pm
Tony Marks Says:
“Wilson is not under a minimum contract in 2025?”
So you admit he can be good! 😉
That has to be the dumbest conclusions I have ever seen drawn based on someone pointing out a contract situation.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Tony Marks, no, just your ability to grasp common sense. If he is not under a minimum contract, it means he played better, earning a bigger contract. But that’s okay…I won’t hold it against you.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:42 pm
All you geniuses who want to sign Rusted Wilson, go line up for interviews with Jason Licht at One Buc Place. Explain your ideas.
The one who makes Licht laugh the hardest in utter ridicule of the stupidity of the notion wins the floating dead mullet in the canal.
Can’t fix stupid.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:43 pm
But to address the question…we sign another QB. Simple. Or draft one. Or develop one.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:45 pm
Dave Pear Says:
“All you geniuses who want to sign Rusted Wilson, go line up for interviews with Jason Licht at One Buc Place.”
To be honest, I would have other matters to discuss with him than QB.
I have some football questions that no one has ever been able to answer. Would be nice to ask a professional.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:49 pm
So, the truth is…Baker Mayfield WILL get re-signed.
The Russel Wilson stuff is just an optional strategy that likely will not happen. But since most of us like to think through the options, it is brought up.
By the end of next year, everyone might feel about Mayfield the way some of you feel about Wilson right now.
People will deny it now, but I clearly remember people claiming Drew Brees was washed up and had not arm strength before he signed with the Saints. I know, because I was one of the ones who suggested we sign him…and I heard some of the same things people are saying about Wilson.
Brees was clearly better in my opinion though.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:55 pm
Dave Pear – The issue isn’t if we want Wilson, the issue is, would you rather have Wilson plus multiple starters vs resigning Baker.
Personally I don’t want either – but if those are my only two options, I’ll take Wilson and the extra starters.
Also if you signed Wilson, then you can also draft a QB early – in addition to the multiple starters you also get.
Man, that is sounding more and more like the route to go.
At the very least the Bucs should be leaking that they’re having these conversations in order to help their negotiating power if they are intent on bringing back Baker.
March 5th, 2024 at 12:59 pm
Its hilarious that people are even comparing Baker Mayfield to Russell Wilson. Simply laughable. Baker had a good season finally but we barely made the playoffs. He’s not a threat. Broncos entire team sucked and Russ with the Bucs would be money! and for the cheap. So cut it out, even though i know Licht is gonna re-sign him for no reason. This is the same guy who keeps the coach that called the infamous cover 0. Super Bowl is out of reach until we get a Super Bowl caliber QB. Russ is that for sure, what about Baker?
March 5th, 2024 at 1:00 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 12:49 pm
So, the truth is…Baker Mayfield WILL get re-signed.
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Yeah, that is almost certainly the case.
Hopefully Baker can defy the odds and actually put decent seasons back to back and not do the typical thing of QBs in his position, and fall off from his already middling stats.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:01 pm
Rod Munch you’re a genius! Wish you were the GM.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:05 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Tony Marks, no, just your ability to grasp common sense. If he is not under a minimum contract, it means he played better, earning a bigger contract.
No Nilly ( and I do hold it against you) . The minimum is around one million dollar so theres no reason to believe after this year that he will sign again for such a low amount given for ANY QB – sucketh or not.
He’d do it this year because The Broncos already guaranteed it. BY everything I have read they released him now so the they are not on the hook for 2025. Enlighten me if my sources are wrong. I haven’t; delved into his contract directly.
So when you spend all the money in this shopping spree Rod has promoted from last night in the thread this article is about including extra LBs, Safeties and Wrs then when he even asks for what paltry starting Qbs get – where do you get that since you have spent it off?
I expect He would be washed as Joe stated especially in a new system and then it gets worse because you’ve spent off the cash as many are suggesting and have to go looking for a QB with cap issues. Get the picture now? Theres no crayon font in wordress blogs.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:06 pm
FactoBlaq Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 1:01 pm
Rod Munch you’re a genius! Wish you were the GM.
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You sir, couldn’t be more accurate, and that makes you a great American!
God bless.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:08 pm
Wilson is out there and it’s bothering the Baker Mayfield Cult, including Joe the ringmaster.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:14 pm
I’d rather have Trent Dilfer than that holier than thou weirdo
March 5th, 2024 at 1:15 pm
Buc1987 Says: “Wilson is out there and it’s bothering the Baker Mayfield Cult, including Joe the ringmaster.”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
March 5th, 2024 at 1:17 pm
FactoBlaq – From what I saw of Wilson last year, early in the season he looked completely lost, was very slow at making his reads, and flat out stunk. However, at the end of the season when I saw him, he looked really good – at least in the games I saw. He was pinpoint accurate with his passes, still had a good arm, and even under pressure was making some impressive throws.
However, I only know what I know, and perhaps I just saw him on his good days.
The alarming part of signing Wilson would be, as stated above, he was seemingly quite slow picking up Payton’s offense. However, the Bucs offense is still pretty similar to the old Seattle offense, even with Canales gone.
As for historically, there’s no question that Wilson is by far the better QB, without a doubt, but it just comes down to the age, if it’s catching up with him or not. But at just 35, Russell should be fine this upcoming season, assuming he doesn’t have injuries that I’m not aware of.
I think Wilson would get around $10m – and if that’s true, and they’re talking $35-40m for Baker, that should get you multiple solid starters, perhaps a starting safety ($10m) a starting LB ($8m) and a starting guard ($10m). Or perhaps two star players instead.
Also, as stated above, if you went the Wilson route, you then spend a top pick on your QB of the future.
It should be a real conversation they’re having at One Buc Place in any case.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:18 pm
FactoBlaq Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 12:59 pm
Super Bowl is out of reach until we get a Super Bowl caliber QB. Russ is that for sure, what about Baker?
LOL see the silliness Joe is talking about?? Russ won a ring over TEN YEARS ago hasn’t shown much since then and has been awful in three seasons but at 36 “russ is sure still super bowl caliber”
You just can’t make this level of comedy up 🙂 Lets go get nick foles or Eli manning. They must be super bowl caliber “for sure” too 🙂
March 5th, 2024 at 1:24 pm
Human nature:
I hate Baker, therefore Baker is a horrible quarterback, a horrible person, and she probably be in prison
March 5th, 2024 at 1:26 pm
Wasn’t Russell Wilson one unused time out and one play away from a second Super bowl?
March 5th, 2024 at 1:29 pm
Russel Wilson is no more washed than Baker Mayfield sorry as was before he joined the Buccaneers
March 5th, 2024 at 1:30 pm
Beeej Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 1:24 pm
Human nature:
I hate Baker, therefore Baker is a horrible quarterback, a horrible person, and she probably be in prison
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Or…
OH MAN DID YOU SEE THAT BAKER MAYFIELD COMMERCIAL! HE’S SO FUNNY, AND HE’S SUCH A GOOD GUY! I WISH I HAD FRIENDS LIKE HIM! I WISH I HAD ANY FRIENDS! I KNOW, I’LL FIND BAKER AND MAKE HIM MY FRIEND! I WILL SHOW HIM HOW MUCH I CARE BY TAKING ON ALL THE CYBERBULLIES THAT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM! I’LL PROVE TO HIM WHAT A GREAT FRIEND I CAN BE! I’LL EVEN GO THROUGH HIS TRASH AND FIND ANY VALUABLES HE MIGHT HAVE ACCIDENTALLY DISCARDED! HE’LL HAVE TO LOVE ME! I’LL PROVE TO HIM THAT HE CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT ME!
March 5th, 2024 at 1:39 pm
@D-rok:
sehorn did really well at the nfl level for a short period of time…
maybe a couple pro bowls and possibly all-pro for a year…
seemed on his way to stardom…
then he married a supermodel or something, and she drained the life out of his little coconuts or something…
dude fell off a cliff overnight…instantly after the marriage…one of the fastest drop offs ever
March 5th, 2024 at 1:44 pm
“A guy comes into town replacing a legend, puts up career numbers and leads the Bucs not only to a better record than what Tom Brady had in 2022, but got the Bucs within a timeout and a score of an NFC title game. Wilson is shot. Done. Finished. Washed. There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years. Wilson is shot. Done. Finished. Washed. There is a reason two teams gave up on him in three years.”
You sound like a used car salesman Joe. (1) Baker Mayfield put up career numbers for Baker Mayfield, which is average at best. Career numbers for Tom Brady is throwing 50 touchdowns in a single regular season. (2) Baker Mayfield only won one more game than Brady did last year. (3) Baker Mayfield sorry as lost the playoff game against the Lions when he threw that interception late in the fourth quarter. (4) Russell Wilson never had anyone great to throw to in Seattle and Denver in the last 3 years, if Baker Mayfield sorry as can put up “career numbers” throwing to Mike Evans, imagine what Russell Wilson can do.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:49 pm
do y’all realize wilson was on a hall of fame trajectory until just a couple of years ago…
a revival from 35 to 40 and he’s in…
just saying…
hopefully we don’t watch that happen in atlanta
March 5th, 2024 at 1:53 pm
yeah baker prolly wants to yoke that dude wilson right about now…
every team interested in baker is looking over their shoulder at wilson and his singer wife…
oh yeah, and they’re checking locker room measurements to see if they can build the dude a makeshift personal office…to wall him off from the team…lol
March 5th, 2024 at 2:28 pm
Can’t fix stupid. Thank god Jason runs the team instead of these blowtards.
March 5th, 2024 at 2:37 pm
Wilson was winning games last year under pretty bad circumstances. He is not washed any more than Baker was. Wilson would be less expensive as Denver has to eat his cost and the Bucs would have more cap space. I think Wilson is a better QB than Baker and he would do well here.
March 5th, 2024 at 2:39 pm
IvanT Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 1:15 pm
Buc1987 Says: “Wilson is out there and it’s bothering the Baker Mayfield Cult, including Joe the ringmaster.”
……..
I honestly hope that the Bucs get Russell, meaning Mayfield has moved on.
March 5th, 2024 at 2:48 pm
Washed up? Look, I’ll be the first to admit, of the few games I saw Wilson play last season, there were plays where he looked uninspired.
But contextually, it wasn’t all bad for Denver last season. They finished 8-9 and they had a hot streak against some pretty damn good football teams, 5 game win streak against the Packers, Chiefs, Bills, Vikings, and Browns. Wilson’s stats? Weren’t bad for a washed up QB, 98 QBR, 26 TDs, 8 Ints, 3070 passing yards through 15 games? Should it matter that this was his first year in Sean Peyton’s offense as well. Fresh start with a new team after some Sean Peyton humbling? He’d immediately bring star power to the Bucs, and we’d be back in the national conversation regardless of his last 2 seasons in Denver.
March 5th, 2024 at 2:48 pm
Have you considered going to AA ? I think you might have a problem and the first step is admission
March 5th, 2024 at 3:18 pm
The Joe that wrote this article has to be the same Joe pounding the table for the Bucs to draft Johnny Football in the first round because he thought he was a lock to be a franchise quarterback. Come on Joe u don’t know if he’s washed up. I would be willing to bet that if he gets into the right program he will succeed. Personally I don’t care for Wilson nor do I want him as a qb but it’s a little reckless on your part to say he’s washed up.
March 5th, 2024 at 3:18 pm
I’m not sold on Baker but to trade him for Russell I see no reason to test that as Baker knows this team Russell doesn’t and was benched
March 5th, 2024 at 3:22 pm
Does Denver make a run at Baker?
March 5th, 2024 at 3:32 pm
The Russel Wilson trade / contract will likely go down as the worst Broncos front office move in history.
2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, a 5th rounder, Noah Fant (former 1st round pick), Drew Lock (former 2nd round pick), and Shelby Harris
for Russel Wilson and a new $161M guaranteed contract with cap hits galore
What a blunder lol. Altho i think Sean Payton may get them turned around fast. All about the QB
March 5th, 2024 at 3:39 pm
Is it that the Baker haters think he had a bad season last year? Or that they don’t believe he can replicate it?
March 5th, 2024 at 3:46 pm
Jack Clark Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 1:29 pm
Russel Wilson is no more washed than Baker Mayfield sorry as was before he joined the Buccaneers.
^^^^^^^^^
Uh, Wilson is 6.37 years older, and a main part of his game, in his prime, was his athletic ability.
March 5th, 2024 at 3:47 pm
Yup
March 5th, 2024 at 3:50 pm
Rod Munch Says:
You just sign whatever new middling QB comes along. They’re a dime a dozen.
There ya go Rod. We finally get down to the base of your dingbat plan. and dingbat it certainly is because –
to a man everyone in the baker hate brigade has indicated you need a great Qb to win a super bowl. . So does this plan secure you one? Nope. EVen if magically WIlson balls out and returns to super bowl form you are unlikely to be able To afford him because you sent out the cap space.
So this isn’t a lets win a Super bowl plan. It simply lets get rid of baker plan . why would you send out this cash and leave the most important position vunerable?
becaus its the price of convincing the ignorant. oh we get more players so it must be a win. without realizing your plan designates middling QB going foward as you just admitted.
March 5th, 2024 at 4:08 pm
No to Wilson. I have liked Russell over the years, however Baker is our guy. We saw the writing on the wall with Russell, and maybe he will land somewhere else, not here.
March 5th, 2024 at 4:11 pm
You guys can check my last 20 post..ive said baker not a super caliber qb..
He didn’t put up.a winning season and lost to the lions twice..
Wilson has rings..has experience feeding wr..
I prefer Wilson for the cheap…
2nd option kirk cousins who adverages 100qbr rating practically..better the baker every year.
Also could block him from going to Atlanta.
Prefer not to play Carr n cousins in the division.
So baker like my 4th option..
I’m ok with Trask getting a shot with a new rookie qb breathing down his neck.
I’m not falling for baker Mayfield I wasn’t impressed by no means..
He won in the weakest division in football .I think Trask would of done the same personally.
Or any mid tier qb.
Throwing to Mike evans n Godwin is easy money.
Hes not worth anything above 20mil..
I pay him 15mil with incentives on a 1 yr contract.
If he don’t like it ..wish him good luck..
I prefer David Evan Winfield n kicker
March 5th, 2024 at 4:27 pm
No starting QB in this league makes $15 million, that’s stupid
March 5th, 2024 at 4:29 pm
Buc king…now they’ll say you just changed your screen name to say all that.
The Baker Cult can’t understand why all these different posters weren’t impressed with Baker like they are.
March 5th, 2024 at 4:31 pm
Seattle knew Wilson is done and now Denver and the NFL know he is done… ego probably won’t let him be a backup…
March 5th, 2024 at 4:31 pm
Russel wilson reminds me of….oh yeah baker Mayfield. One of washed one was never worn
March 5th, 2024 at 4:37 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 4:29 pm
Buc king…now they’ll say you just changed your screen name to say all that.
The Baker Cult can’t understand why all these different posters weren’t impressed with Baker like they are.
^^^^^^^^
Please tell me you’re part of the Trask Cult!
March 5th, 2024 at 5:14 pm
Joe in Michigan Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 3:46 pm
Uh, Wilson is 6.37 years older, and a main part of his game, in his prime, was his athletic ability.
^^^
So just like Baker Mayfield? Baker Mayfield is not a pocket passer, even Rex Ryan called his sorry as a one read quarterback
March 5th, 2024 at 5:38 pm
Joe in Michigan Says: “Please tell me you’re part of the Trask Cult!”
There’s no such thing it consists of about 4-5 posters…thee end.
The Baker Cult is much bigger.
March 5th, 2024 at 6:02 pm
Tony marks Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 3:50 pm
Rod Munch Says:
You just sign whatever new middling QB comes along. They’re a dime a dozen.
There ya go Rod. We finally get down to the base of your dingbat plan. and dingbat it certainly is because –
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Well you see Low T, the point is a middling QB like Baker, or Wilson at this point in his career, or Garden Minshew, they’re all the same. So pick the cheapest if you insist on going this route.
To be clear, I don’t want any of them – but out of the three I’d take Wilson on a cheap deal plus multiple starters you get with that money, and drafting a QB of the future.
Baker just had a career year, where he was medcore, the likelihood of him improving on that year is very very low – and that doesn’t even address the fact he’s a choke artist and finished the season throwing an INT in the biggest moment of his life, after collapsing down the stretch and being bailed out by the 7th ranked defense, which is the only reason the Bucs got into the playoffs.
Baker is just a guy — when he has a career year. When he’s not in a career year, he’s literally one of the very worst starting QBs in the NFL.
March 5th, 2024 at 6:25 pm
Rod Munch: Yeah, you said the Bucs would go 5-12. I have to wonder if you’re the best source of seeing into the future.
March 5th, 2024 at 6:27 pm
Wilson at league minimum + 2-3 elite free agents >>>>>>>> $40m to Baker
Like it is laughably absurd
You can have Wilson + Chris Jones + another top 10 FA for the price of Baker.
It’s the biggest no brainer
March 5th, 2024 at 6:29 pm
Russell Wilson in 2023 was slightly worse than Bakers career year in 2023
Who will be better in 2024 and 2025? Probably Baker.
But what team would be better?
Wilson + 2-3 pro bowl FAs or Baker?
It is so obvious it’s ridiculous
March 5th, 2024 at 6:33 pm
Baker and Wilson will be in the same territory. Rank 15-25 QB in the league. The question you have to ask is would you rather have Tyron Smith, Danielle Hunter or Burns, Fuller and resign Winfield or…. Baker?
March 5th, 2024 at 6:51 pm
Mayfield is not that much better than Wilson. Are going to pay a journeyman 30 mil plus a year or get a one year 2 mil prove it and have all that cap money to built a much stronger defense. There are QBs in the second or third round you could get in case Wilsons not worth resigning. I truly believe Mike Evans can make an average QB look good. I believe Wilson would throw for close to four thousand yard with Mike signed now. Just throw it up and Evans will catch it.
March 5th, 2024 at 7:16 pm
Matt Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 6:33 pm
The question you have to ask is would you rather have Tyron Smith, Danielle Hunter or Burns, Fuller and resign Winfield or…. Baker?
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rather to do what Matt?
Win a super bowl? How are you going to win a superbowl when what you are paying out for your shopping spree handicaps you keeping a solid QB when Russel can sign for more in 2025
March 5th, 2024 at 7:20 pm
Matt Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 6:33 pm
Baker and Wilson will be in the same territory. Rank 15-25 QB in the league. The question you have to ask is would you rather have Tyron Smith, Danielle Hunter or Burns, Fuller and resign Winfield or…. Baker?
March 5th, 2024 at 7:51 pm
Tony:
No matter who we are starting we should be drafting a QB every year until we hit. So hopefully we can have a cheap QB in 2026.
That is still a far better play than hoping Baker makes a big leap. Baker 2023 performance at $40m is a guaranteed loser. Wed need Baker to be a top 10 QB to make that work. The math doesn’t math given salary cap
March 5th, 2024 at 7:57 pm
.Rod Munch Says:
Well you see Low T, the point is a middling QB like Baker, or Wilson at this point in his career, or Garden Minshew, they’re all the same. So pick the cheapest if you insist on going this route.
Ah so in your little brain you think there are SB points for spending the money on other players besides the Qb because your plans still spends the money Rod.
and by your own admissions before it takes a good QB to win a SB ring which unfortunate for you, you were forced to admit your plan can’t keep going forward but has to rely on signing more ‘middlers’.
Dumb plan to win a ring by any objective standards.
March 5th, 2024 at 8:23 pm
Matt Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 7:51 pm
Tony:
No matter who we are starting we should be drafting a QB every year until we hit. So hopefully we can have a cheap QB in 2026.
That is still a far better play than hoping Baker makes a big leap
NO it isn’t you are just being dumb. This hopeful magical Qb that is going to appear in 2026 is two years off. Give this magic about a year to develop and its three years off ( many more if he doesn’t magically appear). Wilson tanks horrible and you have three years ( probably many more)of existing agents wanting to leave. If wilson balls out in 2024 it doesn’t matter because you are unlikely to keep him because of all the toys you bought . Which is why its so asinine for you to be talking about cap space. You are still spending it just on the lesser important positions than QB.
March 5th, 2024 at 8:49 pm
RW is going to want to start somewhere without any competition to deal with and I don’t think he is going to come as cheap as folks think. He is also a diva and has a terrible ego. His success covered up his character flaws, but when he started to not have success in Denver his weird personality and behavior became amplified. Stick to BM. He is authentic, the players and coaches love him and he had a career best year for us. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, especially with some weirdo that would destroy morale in the locker room. We need authentic leaders in the locker room, not divas.
March 5th, 2024 at 9:22 pm
There is no team that would ever prefer Baker at $40m than Russell at $1m
March 5th, 2024 at 9:43 pm
Matt Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 9:22 pm
There is no team that would ever prefer Baker at $40m than Russell at $1m
Be my guess and make Rod turn you into the nitwit he is.
You are not getting Wilson after the first year for ! million dollars so rather than the stupid claim of it being a long term plan with signing multiple extra players its a one year plan that goes almost nowhere in 2025
This appeals to baker haters that can’t look further than tomorrow’s breakfast like yourself and besides that Gms that have more than this stupid one year plan
Your other silliness is you keep bandying about 40 million like its a fact when its from people pulling it out of their rear since neither Baker nor Licht has ever breathed the 40 M figure publicly.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:53 pm
No defensive coordinator in the NFL will lose sleep over game planning against Baker Mayfield. If the Falcons signed him then good news for the Bucs, we would see mister average twice a year.
March 5th, 2024 at 11:54 pm
Russell Wilson would be the one non-Baker Mayfield QB on the market I would consider possibly a step up from Baker for the cost. He will cost Tampa minimal and help us put cap space on other need or upgradable positions. We could build a super team based on the cap space saved by having Denver pay us premium quarterback dollars for Russell. I think he is elite. Heck, he had a near 100 QB Rating this year in an offense that did not even fit him. I think this team is mature enough and experienced Brady, so the Prima Donna stuff won’t hurt this team like others. I don’t know he is a fit for the McVay offense. The Hackett offense is similar and Wilson did not do well in it.
I would still prefer Baker as he is proven in this offense. And he has won over his teammates and much of the fan base. Baker is a good base to build around for a 3 year or more run in the AFC south. Until the Falcons, Saints and Panthers can figure out this offense and QBs that fit with it. I’d be very afraid if Kirk Cousin goes to Atlanta. Our best hope is keeping Baker and having Atlanta move up in the draft to pick one of those imminent busting round 1 QBs not named Caleb Williams. Please Atlanta waste a #8 draft pick J.J. McCarthy.
March 6th, 2024 at 6:31 am
we simply cannot afford to pay 40 mil for baker, as much as I like him he would kill our salary cap and one player does not make a team. 15 mil is as much as i would go. we have other needs that need to be addressed like edge rusher, and offensive line. if we had to roll with Trask for a year or 2 I would be good with that if we addressed all our other needs
March 6th, 2024 at 10:55 am
On another FA note, what’s your thoughts as a fan base about Saquon B now that he is a free agent?
March 6th, 2024 at 12:49 pm
Wilson put up some impressive numbers in Seattle. Apparently he’s a system qb, take him out of that system and he’s not as good.
March 6th, 2024 at 2:41 pm
Don Says:
“On another FA note, what’s your thoughts as a fan base about Saquon B now that he is a free agent?”
Great players added to our team is always welcomed. It always comes down to how much do they want, how much do we really hurt in that area that the player can elevate us and can the two sides make it happen.
I would love to see Saquon sign with us for 2-years $18M total, $12M practical guaranteed, $8M on sign that is laden with game played and yardage incentives only because Barkley has some history with injuries. For RBs and QBs, healthy availability is a premium. I am a little worried about Saquon’s ability to thrive in this wide-zone run game plan. This would be one HC Coen and RB Coach Peete would need to really provide input on whether Barkley’s juice is worth the squeeze offset by reliability. Can you imagine redeeming the #1 and #2 pick in the 2018 draft? Two players that have had over 6 years each seen 3 years of brilliance and 3 years of injuries or lower tier outputs.
March 6th, 2024 at 3:19 pm
John J Barse Says:
“we simply cannot afford to pay 40 mil for baker, as much as I like him he would kill our salary cap and one player does not make a team. 15 mil is as much as i would go. we have other needs that need to be addressed like edge rusher, and offensive line. if we had to roll with Trask for a year or 2 I would be good with that if we addressed all our other needs”
Other teams easily afford $40M on their QB Annual Average with mid-level pay. Because without at least a mid-level QB, your season has a high probability of being a waste at which point why pay the rest of the $255M team cap instead of tanking? I think Baker is $37M (between $35-40M per year) good. That’s Prescott, Daniel Jones, Derek Carr, Cousins, Goff range. I think he is comparable to those players projecting forward. Not no-playoff wins in 10+ years Geno Smith or washed up systems guy Jimmy G.
Yes – the Bucs can afford $40M a year for QB. The difference between $40M a year and $36M a year for practically 2 years guaranteed is $4M dead money in 2026 and $4M dead money in 2027 in which the cap will probably grow $10-20M each year. QB is the most important player on the team. 7 of the 8 teams that made it to the divisional playoff round had a 1st Round Draft QB. That is not by accident. Brady % of team cap over the 3 years he actually played and total cash payment to him was much higher than the $40M of $255 Baker would take up.
Atlanta has built their team on a rookie contract QB and unfulfilled FAs. Their team is stacked from this. They are not weighted down by 2019-2022 bloated contracts. The more I look at Atlanta, the more I think Baker could move on from Tampa unless they pay him franchise long-term money. Baker would have the most experience with the McVay wide-zone offense and would co-coach with OC Zac Robinson the rest of the team. That kind of team value goes beyond just stats. Cousins could do the same but he never directly played under McVay, is older coming off injury and would cost Atlanta $5-10M more a year. A short-timer which may be preferred if Atlanta wants to win now and have a Trey Lance in the draft learning for 3 years down the line. I think if Baker hits the market, Baker and Cousins will go to Minnesota or Atlanta. Both teams are a healthy McVay wide-zone QB away from home playoff (divisional champ) games. Both teams want Baker and Cousins.