Best Place To Find The Best Centers? Not In Round 1.
March 20th, 2024
Draft intel.
So Joe sees a lot of chatter that a good number of Bucs fans want the Bucs to draft this guy Jackson Powers-Johnson from Oregon. In the first round!
Joe has been clear on “Ira Kaufman Podcast,” first-round picks should only be used on positions that make game-changing plays (or a left tackle) — any skill position or a left tackle on offense, any defensive back or edge rusher on defense (you may have heard it’s a passing league?).
The big uglies? You can and often will see good offensive linemen drafted later.
Hell, the Bucs last won a Super Bowl with just one first-round pick on the offensive line.
Since Ryan Jensen, a former sixth-round pick, had his knee destroyed and career ruined, the howling of the anti-Robert Hainsey crowd has grown and grown to now folks want a center drafted in the first round.
Not only is Joe not moved by this. Hell, Joe doesn’t know if Hainsey is good or bad; the Bucs were a heartbeat from going to the NFC title game last year. So how bad could he be?
Joe this week ran across recent draft history that demonstrates burning a first-round pick on a center is a wasteful strategy.
A guy by the name of Daniel Salib, who is a lawyer who also does player contract work for the Grady Sports Agency, posted a graphic on Twitter that shows the average draft order of the top-10 earners at each position. In theory, a guy who makes top-10 cash at his position is an above-average player, right? In theory. So guess the average draft position of the top-10 earning centers?
Try fourth round.
This only reinforces Joe’s theory that a first-round pick should only be used on a game-changing playmaker or a left tackle.
And the Bucs already have a left tackle.
Given Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht’s keen eye for offensive line talent later in the draft. It’s a no-brainer “No” to a center in the first round. No dice, man.
March 20th, 2024 at 11:40 am
Very interesting. All the OL, except center, average R2. Why? Maybe centers don’t get hurt as much (they didn’t play against Hall in practice) so they have longer careers and get more money. I have noticed that centers are generally older than other OL.
I’d rather see the draft position of ProBowl players. Anybody seen that?
March 20th, 2024 at 11:42 am
There’s better 20-25 year analysis out there that shows the highest hit rate for any position is specifically for IOL is the second round.
Not just the 10 most recent contracts.
March 20th, 2024 at 11:43 am
I’ve been yelling for an upgrade at center, but I agree there is no need to find one in round 1.
Rounds 2-4 seems great for o-linemen.
March 20th, 2024 at 11:49 am
Any late roubd draft picks are often developmental not plug and play. Jensen wasnt a starter right away. Plenty of very good Centers drafted early, Pouncey, frederick, Raginow etc. When the tean is like dead last in the game for rushing and your main dude Hainsey shows no physicality, you need an upgrade. I’m fine if they want another project, reality is they need someone in the interior at G or C that can play today! Trade soft AF Hainsey
March 20th, 2024 at 11:49 am
Sorry for the awkward phrasing I was typing while lighting my morning cigar.
March 20th, 2024 at 11:51 am
Jackson Powers-Johnson would be a fixture for 10 years.
March 20th, 2024 at 11:53 am
I understand the information, yet there has been subpar line play throughout the league. One of the teams that bucks that trend is Dallas. They heavily invest in their OL and consistently have one of the best.
It makes me wonder where the other consistently highly ranked teams with high performers are drafting?
March 20th, 2024 at 11:54 am
am I thie only one who smells a kicker in round 2?
with their moves so far…they may as well stay consistent.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:04 pm
Could not be more wrong on this. The kid from Oregon is a plug n play pro-bowler for the next decade. Hainsey was a sieve in the run game.
No team wins without winning in the trenches. Rounds 1-4 should have an OL and DL drafted every year.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:05 pm
Worst rushing attack in the NFL two years in a row.
2 of the worst rushing attacks in NFL history.
I love you Joe. But the way you were calling for the head of Bowles all season while you are now defending Hainsey like a personal friend.
Where’s the objectivity?
Hainsey is a good human being. I respect him.
But he was a RT at Niger Dame. He was not a center in high school.
Cappa and Marpet were two projects that worked. Switching them from tackle to guard was fine.
Benenocht and Hainsey are two projects that failed. No big deal.
But we must get a center so we can run the ball.
We have a solid defense. We have a solid core of skill players.
We have 3 of 5 offensive line positions locked down. Young and solid.
But we need to draft a center in the 1st and a LG in the 2nd.
Let’s solidify the dynasty we are trying to build.
Let’s set up this offensive line and defensive line for 5 years to come.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:05 pm
Thundersack….
And at the end of the day, how’s that worked out for Dallas?
I trust in Licht for drafting OL. He’s earned it…
March 20th, 2024 at 12:06 pm
History shows the Super Bowl winning team have depth. I think the Bucs did a very good job adding inexpensive depth to their roster. Clearly, we need to have a strong draft to stay at the top of our division. EDGE, Guard, Center, LB, S, WR, RB, could all use some help.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:07 pm
@Teacherman777…you were one “g” away from probably being censored.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:09 pm
Interesting graphic. And just take a quick look around the league and you can see it’s supported. When was Jason Kelce drafted? Fred Warner? Gronk? You can literally go down the list. That’s just a sampling. I agree, reserve our first pick for more of a traditionally high value player. Best player available at that position.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:14 pm
I’m old enough to remember when Robert gallery was considered by far the best offensive lineman in the draft. Very high pick by the raiders. Ended up being an okay guard down the road but was a complete bust at tackle. There are a few good center prospects. Powers Johnson being one of them. If we have him rated as the highest player on the board when we draft then I’d be okay with that pick. Not that me being okay with it matters of course. I will trust the Bucs brain trust over enthusiastic posters every day of the week.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:16 pm
Interesting how the sweet spot seems to be rounds two and three for the majority of positions.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:22 pm
@Steven007 – The sweet spot for TE and IOL is round 2-3. There’s an analysis of the past 25 years thats really good. I’d like to post it here if I can joe’s permission.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:25 pm
4 high picks
First 2 picks should be A PASS RUSHING DE AND OLB.
next two picks- Guard and Center
Same as Ive been saying since preseason. Actually, I added another pass rusher, when we added another high pick.
Is Hainsey any good?
Lets see.
Out of Centers with a minimum off 100 snaps- he was ranked 34Th
We had THE WORST RUSHING OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL. YUP. 32
We only allowed 2.3 seconds in the pocket.
I rest my case.
And he was actually better than the Stennie/Feilder combination.
And better than Mauch! Yeah, Marine Buc you plagarist, I gave him a pass because hes a rookie.
But we might wanna have another decent Guard around. Cody Mauch was horrible.
And not every rookie improves.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:28 pm
There is no position more important this year. They need to pull the trigger in the first and get a generational Center.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:28 pm
And yes…a center will make an instant difference, Joe.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:30 pm
Mauch’s primary struggle was that he’s 6’6” and lost the leverage battle inside often, but he got better over the season. A NFL offseason focused on technique should yield him marked improvement.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:31 pm
I disagree Joe.
Pick #26 is far different from picks #1-#10…
When all the better “skilled players” are already off the board rather than reaching for the 6th or 7th best WR or the 4th or 5th best OLB – why not take the best IOL available?
The Bucs IOL has been a total mess ever since Jenson went down two seasons ago. Hainsey is NOT a starter and we really still don’t have a starting LG and our starting RG is still a giant question mark.
– I’m sick of the IOL being a mess.
– I’m sick of watching Baker run for his life.
– I’m sick of having the WORST running game in the NFL.
But I guess you are OK with the mess…
March 20th, 2024 at 12:32 pm
The data are solid, but don’t explain an additional reason for the centers’ place in it. Center is the most cerebral position on the offense after the QB. It takes seasoning and experience to blossom into a good center, not just great college tape and measurables.
A need doesn’t justify a panic move for an overhyped PAC 2 player who will be in for a rude awakening against NFL level competition.
Hainsey might suck, but as Joe said, not bad enough to keep us out of competing for the NFC Championship last season.
I’ll go with what Jason Licht decides over the squawking cretins lacking a cerebrum.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Mauchs primary problem was he was a rookie, he was not strong enough, I can’t wait to see what he looks like when camps start. I should be able to tell just by looking at him.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:35 pm
Teacherman777’s comment got past moderation? wow.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:38 pm
JPJ will not be there at #26. Bucs have too many other needs to package a deal to move up. Go Edge in round 1 or you won’t get one of the top 8 Edge rushers. Then look at Frazier (WV) or Van Pran (UGA) in round 2 — even if it requires trading up. Follow up with G Mahogony (BC) in the 3rd.
Build the trenches.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:41 pm
There’s a real good study for a 10 year period on what the statistics tell us about the draft by round and position. It’s from a website called Arrowheadpride.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:44 pm
After initial FA signings – The Bucs have 3 specific spots that need upgraded talent.
OLB
Center
LG
The Bucs need to spend 3 of their 4 day 1 and 2 picks on those positions.
As far as the 1st pick – There are only 3 Edge rushers who merit spending a 1st rd pick on – Turner, Verse and Latu. 90% chance all 3 are off the board by #26.
Powers-Johnson and Barton are the 2 best IOL prospects…
If any 1 of those 5 players is available at #26 – that player will be our pick.
If all are off the board – then Licht needs to try for a trade down to pick up an extra 3rd rd pick.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:46 pm
I don’t get it, it’s not a great draft for pass rushers, let’s not reach on another, we complain all year long about having a crap running game and then it’s like, don’t draft a center high, does anyone realize the center has lots to do with the run game????
March 20th, 2024 at 12:46 pm
Joe would rather draft another JTS at pick 26 then have a possible pro bowl center for years to come. Joe is right tho, there are plenty of good IOL in this draft that can be had on day two. I think a good receiver falls to Tampa, and they go that direction rather then reach for an edge rusher. Play to the strength of the draft, receiver, IOL.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:47 pm
“a first-round pick should only be used on a game-changing playmaker”
Joe, the run game the OL brings has been mediocre. Hainsey is the weakest link. His position is C. If you want to change our game for the better, you start there. Look getting value in the draft is mucho important. I get it. But if we have to suffer through another draft class of JL’s projects, theres a good chance I gouge my eyes out cause immature of seeing this OL get taken to the wood shed.
Draft as close to a plug and play center as you csn. And let’s see. The value on the field rather than end one or two.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:49 pm
i’ma tired of*
And immature too
March 20th, 2024 at 12:54 pm
Best player available for round one. Hopefully that is an edge rusher. We can find upgrades to the O-line in rounds 2-3.
March 20th, 2024 at 12:56 pm
Creed Humphrey and Tyler Linderbaum are two of the leagues better centers. Taken in the 2nd and 1st round respectively. They are still on their rookie contracts so they will not have top 10 contract status.
Landon Dickerson was a C at Alabama and drafted by the Eagles in the 2nd round. He moved to G as the Eagles still had Kelce and Dickerson just signed the highest contract extension for a guard.
The best strategy is not following a trend but weighing in current team depth/needs, BPA, depth of a position in the draft.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:14 pm
if a center makes a hole for a running back to score a TD or to hold off a defensive tackle so the QB can throw the game wing TD, that’s not a game changing playmaker?
March 20th, 2024 at 1:15 pm
To Joe’s point Ryan Jensen was a sixth round pick who didn’t start out at center.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:18 pm
I’m good with Edge in round 1, a playmaker in round 2, and 2 IOL in round 3.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:22 pm
This only reinforces Joe’s theory that a first-round pick should only be used on a game-changing playmaker or a left tackle.
Here are 5 of 6 top draft picks that don’t meet that category.
White, Vea, JTS, Hall, Kancey………Wirfs……….so
March 20th, 2024 at 1:26 pm
To oppose Joe’s point since 2011 from over 80% of Centers who made the pro bowl on their first, ROOKIE, contract with a team were drafted in the first two rounds.
Who were the the only two centers that made a pro bowl on their first contract and weren’t drafted in the first two rounds? Jason Kelce and Elton Jenkins who isn’t even a true center… so only one out of all the centers drafted outside of the first two rounds made a pro bowl on their first contract.
The kind of play the Bucs are hoping for on the interior would show that drafting a center in the first two rounds would be the best option both financially and for early career success. Not waiting to over pay after 3-4 years of development.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:27 pm
Best player available for 1st pick at Edge, Center or LG. We need all three desperately! Do the same thing for next 2 picks then get B Allen from Wisconsin at RB with the last pick in the 3rd round. Later rounds get a CB, ILB and WR. BPA when we draft.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:29 pm
I’m with @Pickgrin. Pick the best available IOL or Edge – BUT DON’T REACH. I’m not in favor of drafting an athlete without production in R1, we need a plug n play starter who’s had production.
My impression is that the NFL doesn’t favor drafting IOL in R1. Dallas is the exception and they have done well (their problems are elsewhere). Sure, Powers-Johnson played in the PAC-12, but he dominated at the Senior Bowl in 1 on 1’s against some good talent. Draftek has him at #29 on their Big Board. Some mocks have him going to Pittsburgh at 20. If he’s available, I would be happy taking him.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:35 pm
JPJ is more than worth a 1st round Pick and whatever team gets him will be glad they did. He can start right away, sets the nasty tone we are lacking up front, and would be a fixture for atleast 10 years. With JPJ being that good and that much of a difference maker we could get away with Sua starting at left guard and still be a Top Oline. Point is JPJ is a can’t miss and surely a difference maker
March 20th, 2024 at 1:37 pm
My takeaway from this?
In the draft, only the top three rounds matter.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:39 pm
Instead of the whole you are not sure whether Robert Hainsey is good or bad, Joe, I suggest you stop the old umpire routine and just crack open your eyelids a little bit.
I mean this seriously is not rocket science for a Bucs fan.
Do you really want to be the only guy in Tamps besides his mother singing the praises of Robert Hainsey?
It’s all about using those marvelous orbs the good lord gave you — they are right there in your skull.
So, next time you are pondering writing an article about the virtues of Robert Hainsey, stop the talking point, and start using the eyeball test.
March 20th, 2024 at 1:43 pm
Zach Frazier or Sedrick Van Pran should be there in the 2nd.
Both are true Cs, but both only weigh around 300 lbs.
Different strengths & weaknesses but both grade out about the same
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 20th, 2024 at 1:47 pm
Best player available on your board
March 20th, 2024 at 2:05 pm
You have to go with the prospect & their potential rather than meaningless stats.
You can BUY any stat or study you want to back up any presupposition. Doesn’t make it a fact.
Therein lies the overall problem with a society (made up of individuals) that tries to function in a way in which it wasn’t designed
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 20th, 2024 at 2:05 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see Tampa package their first round pick, and that newly acquired third round, pick to move up some in the first round to grab a pass rusher.
That kid from UCLA looked pretty impressive.
March 20th, 2024 at 2:14 pm
Build the trenches , running attack will improve….. come on now Jason ….
March 20th, 2024 at 2:18 pm
Typically, teams find OL for a heavy zone run scheme in rounds 3-6, guys closer to 300 lbs than 325lbs. But, pass protection suffers.
Look at olines around the league and you will see this
If you want Olineman that can do both, you need to draft them in higher rounds.
Few Cs are drafted as such. That’s why many Cs around the league are 4th rounders (or close). Teams often develop their own Cs
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 20th, 2024 at 2:22 pm
Don’t have time to develop the Edge, Center and LG. They need to play immediately.
March 20th, 2024 at 2:29 pm
@Joe
If you don’t know if Hainsey is good or bad then you need to stop covering the Bucs. I have a friend who is a former offensive lineman in the NFL and he said Hainey doesn’t have the body nor technique to be a center. You have enough connections to talk to former linemen for the Bucs. How hard is it to even ask Sapp if Hainsey sucks?
March 20th, 2024 at 2:35 pm
Unlike the haters, Joe has seen Hainsey open up holes for Rachaad White. And on the very same plays, Joe has seen Rachaad White fully ignore those holes or just flat out not see them. So how is that on Hainsey???
Joe asked Jason Licht to his face on the “Ira Kaufman Podcast” if it was White or if it was Hainsey. Licht never mentioned Hainsey in his answer. He did call out White. You do the math.
Joe has yet to speak to/hear of anyone with the Bucs blaming Hainsey. Joe has seen/has heard Bucs people criticize White.
Maybe you need to stop commenting about the Bucs?
March 20th, 2024 at 2:41 pm
Addressing the Need for IOL , different variables in 2024 . ROHJL has had good luck with later picks and allowing a year or two of development.
Don’t have that luxury in 2024 or the cap to chase a FA if available.
Plug and play IOL Is a must, get a center!
March 20th, 2024 at 2:45 pm
Big-time ‘splash-move’ ALERT… The Bucs are packaging this year’s 1st AND 2nd Round Picks, along with next season’s 1st, 3rd, & 5th’s to the Patriots, for their #3 overall selection in this years draft, in order to select WR “Marvin Harrison Jr.” out of Ohio State!!!! Would ya do it!? Would ya do it if YOU were New England tho… They’ve prob been offered more than that (&/or) have an offer on the table already, depending on how the draft falls, with who’s taken at 1 & 2!?
March 20th, 2024 at 2:51 pm
BEST RUSHING ATTACK IN NFL?
Baltimore – 156 yard/game (Bucs – 88)
STARTING CENTER – DRAFT ROUND/PICK
Tyler Linderbaum – 1st / 25
JPJ @ 26 sounds pretty good. Get an LG and Bucs wouldn’t have to draft another OL for 4-5 years.
March 20th, 2024 at 2:53 pm
BTW, why was it being advertised Canales put up the 31st ranked rushing attack? Look again. Bucs are DEAD LAST! Good luck Carolina!
March 20th, 2024 at 3:00 pm
@ Sly
“STARTING CENTER – DRAFT ROUND/PICK
Tyler Linderbaum – 1st / 25”
Exactly!
This is the dude that pushed Devon White (our stud ILB) 25 yards down field several times when he was just a rookie.
March 20th, 2024 at 3:01 pm
I dunno Joe,
I really watch line play. Its my thing.
The only holes Ive seen Hainsey open up, has been for Defensive tackles.
If White is the problem, why did our previous RBs all suck?
No Jensen, no Cappa, no Marpet.
The crappy interior of our line cost Brady the last year of his career.
Theyve sucked since we lost those 3 guys.
We are set at the “Skilled” positions.
Its time to fix both lines. And not with bandaids and bubblegum this time.
Rookies are the future. We also need to address the present.
As Joe said. We are built to win now.
EXCEPT THE LINES.
PS. We need to cut Logan Hall, for wiping out Jensen in a non contact drill.
Its the only thing hes accomplished. And he can take fellow hammerhead JTS with him. Wasting valuable OneBuc air on those guys
March 20th, 2024 at 3:15 pm
This is only because Center was a position much like safety and slot corner that teams didn’t use too picks on. Safety and slot corner changed awhile back and now teams are attacking Qbs more with pressure up the middle and Centers are becoming more important. Teams are also recognizing the importance of being able to run the ball on your terms especially towards the end of games when your team has the lead. The Bucs need to be one of the teams leading these treads instead of catching on late by the time the next method starts.
If one of the top two interior OL is there and all four edge guys are gone go get that IOL. If its Jackson he’d probably be your center for the next 10 years. If its Breton he would probably be your plug and play LG (possibly center) for the next ten years. Beebe could be there in the 2nd if you go Edge or even WR if one drops you have ranked over the available edge. Getting that extra 3rd is huge. Gives the Bucs flexibility or another potential starter. This draft is light on premium players but lots of very good players. The top half of the 3rd round are 2nd round value.
March 20th, 2024 at 3:15 pm
“SlyPirate” – That Linderbaum miss was a KILLER… Absolutely, crushed me. I sat there ‘watching’ the entire time, as he was falling, thinking we had a good shot. I was hoping we’d pull the trigger to ‘slide up’ just a tad to snag him… I was screaming, “NOW!!!!” Then, I saw those Buffalo & Baltimore trades & was like, “DANG-IT.” I just knewwww that Baltimore was going to take him there, & they SURE DID… It was just the typical, Baltimore move. They played-it sooo perfectly. We waited too long on a hope and a prayer… I guess, since we traded back literally, right after that. Then, we ended up taking Logan Hall & Cade Otton with the picks that we got in return with the Jags (I think it was) for #27. Heartbroken. LoL. Yeah, that didn’t work-out so hot… Not yet, anyway!?
March 20th, 2024 at 3:23 pm
Good job of getting everybody all riled up , Joe ! LoL
March 20th, 2024 at 3:27 pm
I saw that story/video of Linderbaum ’pinning’ Tristen Wirfs (I think the ONLY person to ever do so) in the Iowa HS Wrestling State Championship, & I was immediately SOLD. I thought they’d make a great ‘pair’ anchoring our OL for the next 10+years… I think Linderbaum has already made a Pro-Bowl, too!!!! Believe he got hurt, or was a little banged-up for awhile, during his rookie season, though.
March 20th, 2024 at 3:48 pm
Joe has seen Hainsey open up holes for Rachaad White.
—
So what? Even a backup can occasionally do that. You can’t seriously think Hainsey is a GREAT center. For all this talk of game changing plays you seem to forget its the line that bought the QB the time to make that beautiful game changing TD Pass or opened up the defense for that run that changed the game.
You are literally talking about a player involved in every snap and claiming no matter how great the center is you should always pass on him in the first round. It makes no sense.
March 20th, 2024 at 4:01 pm
At the end of the day, late Mr in the 1st Rd, and all through the draft, it’s about getting players that succeed. I’d rather take a center that will be top 5 at his position than a DE that doesn’t get sacks. Based on Licht’s overall draft history, I trust who he will pick. In terms of the graphic shown, what it doesn’t do is provide context around number of players by draft rd. If only 1 center per year is drafted in rd 1, versus 4-5 WRs, but they have roughly equal scales on the chart, that amplifying info tells two very different stories.
March 20th, 2024 at 4:08 pm
In 2020 the Bucs didn’t take a left tackle, and it turned out pretty good.
But, I agree with this – and Licht can find offensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, he’s proved that over and over and over again. However, Licht always drafts tackles and moves them – but that takes time. So if you’re going to demand a new center, and they need to play right away, you’re going to have to draft a guy who is ready to play. But, again, you can generally find those guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds – however Licht loves drafting small school guys who generally need time to add on the muscle they need to play in the NFL, so again, that adds another winkle.
Anywho, I trust Licht completely on offensive lineman, and he knows what the team needs and what resources they have. Last year at this time everyone was saying they HAD to draft a tackle because Luke was a bust – and, well…
March 20th, 2024 at 4:53 pm
From Joe:
On the first statement, both things can be true.
1. Hainsey has opened holes for Rachaad White and White missed those holes
and
2. Hainsey is a below average center in the league.
However, the 2nd statement is just an example of poor logic in writing. This logic implies the achievement of the team collectively applies to each player individually too. I guess why even try to get better players or coaches with that simple logic. I guess that applies to safety Ryan Neal as well.
Just be bold and say that you think that Robert Hainsey is a good player and should not be replaced because someone from One Bucs Place told you he is a solidly good player.
March 20th, 2024 at 5:16 pm
It’d probably be more accurate to go with like median round average for starters and top players, because taking a rough average is going to skew things a bit if you just have a handful of undrafted or late round picks…
Just looking at the top paid from 23′
1 – Jason Kelce – 6th
2 – Frank Ragnow – 1st (20)
3 – Ryan Jensen – 6th
4 – Corey Lindsey – 5th
5 – Ryan Kelly – 1st (18)
6 -Eric McCoy – 2nd
7Ethan Pocic – 2nd
Connor Williams – 2nd
March 20th, 2024 at 5:21 pm
Just looking at the top paid from 23′ – we need to go get a C either Round 1/2, or 5/6 lol. Rounds 3/4 have not had good luck.
1 – Jason Kelce – 6th
2 – Frank Ragnow – 1st (20)
3 – Ryan Jensen – 6th
4 – Corey Lindsey – 5th
5 – Ryan Kelly – 1st (18)
6 -Eric McCoy – 2nd
7 Mitch Morse – 2nd
8 – Ted Carras – 6th
8(tie) – Bradley Bozeman – 6th
8(tie) – Ethan POcic -2nd
In my ideal world we go Edge + OG or C R1/R2, then some mix of BPA across RB/CB/WR/LB/DT, and then Interior O-line and another Edge rusher late.
March 20th, 2024 at 5:21 pm
sorry for double post damnit lol
March 20th, 2024 at 5:26 pm
I would also like to see Hainsey open up holes For White!
That would be great, but I quit blotter in the 80ies.
Arent you the ONLY PERSON who saw noodle arm Kyle Trask outplay
Baker Mayfield a couple days in training camp?
Hmmmm . .
Just say no, Joe. We all gotta quit eventually.
Meybe that explains the occult of Trask!
Ahhh, hallucinations!
March 20th, 2024 at 5:32 pm
According to what Joe wrote about JL,’s comments. Yeah I can see JLSsying those things to keep the draft dogs off his trail.
March 20th, 2024 at 6:04 pm
If jpj falls to 26 you pick him if the top 3 edge guys are gone don’t reach for chop
March 20th, 2024 at 6:22 pm
@BridleOaksBuc Says:
March 20th, 2024 at 12:05 pm
Thundersack….
And at the end of the day, how’s that worked out for Dallas?
It got them consistently in the top 5 of scoring offenses year after year. One or two anomalous years over the last decade+, but never back to back. I’m not really sure what point you were trying to make, but offensive line investment in the early rounds is proven with my example.
March 20th, 2024 at 6:50 pm
If Joe had his way the Bucs would have 52 edge rushers and Johnny Football
March 20th, 2024 at 6:58 pm
Those are just averages. It’d be nice if he showed standard deviations, so we could better understand the range. I’d bet there are a few high picks in there.
March 20th, 2024 at 7:01 pm
Also, I don’t think Jason will constrain himself to this logic. If the best player available is a center, I bet you that’s what we pick. We do t need to reach based on need. Power-Johnson > chop Robinson
March 20th, 2024 at 7:04 pm
We should hire someone to get one of the top edge rushers high, so they’ll fall to us at 26 ; )
March 20th, 2024 at 7:06 pm
Or maybe one of the Joes? Come one, you know how much we need one!
March 20th, 2024 at 8:11 pm
If Jackson Powers Johnson or the guy Barton from Duke are plug n play type centers that will immediately help the oline, then I’m good if we draft them at 26. Want to see a better running game and our qb not get hit all the time
March 20th, 2024 at 8:39 pm
Nothing?
My hallucinations comment got Nothing?
Damn, that was funny stuff!
And possibly solved some long standing mysteries around here! Lol
March 20th, 2024 at 8:52 pm
I’m not all that high on Powers-Johnson. He’s 6’3″, so he should be able to anchor low, but he plays high with straight legs so he gets thrown off balance too much. He tries way too hard to deliver a big punch or shoulder into guys and then his technique falls apart and he looks like a pinball bouncing around in there. I’d rather see him just lock onto someone and let good technique do the job.
There’s a reason why he was only a one year starter. I wouldn’t touch him in the 1st round. He’s a project in my opinion.
I’d much prefer Graham Barton being drafted to be a left guard if we’re going to use a 1st round pick on an interior lineman and then draft competition for Hainsey somewhere in the middle of the draft.
March 20th, 2024 at 9:09 pm
Dont discount zach Frazier if we can get in 2nd ,,gotta feeling he will be as good as JPJ
March 20th, 2024 at 9:11 pm
Also believe Graham Barton is going to be a solid pro for years at guard
March 20th, 2024 at 9:49 pm
If he’s anywhere near as dominant at Center as Wirfs is at Tackle, I say it would be a fantastic pick. It’s not like we’re picking in the top 20. A late 1st rounder could be considered an early second rounder, something we don’t have
March 21st, 2024 at 1:48 am
we need edge–not a bargain bag edge. 1st round =edge/DE 2nd round = playmaker like Trey Benson 3rd round=lineman/center/guard
March 21st, 2024 at 3:33 am
If you think a guy has a chance to be a Jason Kelce or Ryan Jensen for the next decade, you take him in the late 1st. Who here don’t think Jensen would be worth a 1st?
March 21st, 2024 at 9:12 am
No Middle LB s at 5 is what I see !!
March 21st, 2024 at 11:14 am
You get the best available player that can fill an important need for your team each and every round. I trust the Bucs front office and they have done quite well over the years. If they want to grab a stud center in round 1, I say why not! There are also a lot of intangibles that go into selecting players as well, and the Bucs always bring their A game.
March 21st, 2024 at 6:49 pm
Star NFL Centers and their draft positions
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Dwight Stevenson HOF – 2nd round
Dermontti Dawson HOF – 2nd round
Kevin Mawae HOF – 2nd round
Mike Webster HOF – 5th round
Ryan Jensen – 6th round pick
Jason Kelce – 6th round pick
Jim Ringo HOF – 7th round pick
Jim Langer HOF – undrafted free agent
Jeff Saturday – undrafted free agent
Jim Otto HOF – signed with AFL as free agent
March 22nd, 2024 at 3:12 am
heres the rules of drafting:
only the top 5 rounds matter…
round 6 – is always tom brady
round 7 – is always crock turdy
🙂