Team Glazer Won’t Want To Draft A Quarterback
February 4th, 2024
“Stay away from these mock drafts, Mr. Glazer.”
Yeah, yeah, Bucs ownership does not pick players or tell future Ring of Honor general manager Jason Licht what to do. But nobody is going to sell Joe on Team Glazer staying out of major franchise decisions.
It’s simply unrealistic to think Licht has a green light on the very big calls without running them past the big boys.
Who coaches the team, who gets massive contracts, who plays quarterback, what is done with significant draft capital, Joe thinks its naive to think Team Glazer’s voice isn’t at least heard on those issues.
(No, Joe never believed the rumor peddled by major media that Team Glazer pushed Licht into drafting kicker Roberto Aguayo in 2016.)
This all brings Joe to the 2024 quarterback situation.
One Joe has written here that it’s smart to re-sign Baker Mayfield and draft a quarterback in Round 1 of this year’s draft, maybe even trade up a little to do it. It’s a fair point, but the Joe typing here wouldn’t go anywhere near a first-round QB because the odds of Todd Bowles surviving the Mayfield flop that it would take to get the new QB on the field are slim at best.
Plus, the odds of the hypothetical head coach following Bowles wanting the 2024 draft pick at QB are also flimsy.
So drafting a QB now would feel like a mess waiting to happen when you have a defensive-leaning head coach who probably wouldn’t survive a bad season.
Think about it. If healthy Mayfield plays the ’24 season and flops, does anyone think Bowles and Team Glazer will keep new playcaller Liam Coen for 2025 to work in a new QB? And if Mayfield thrives, Coen is likely gone in a year or two for a head coach gig.
The Packers drafted Jordan Love in 2020 with playcaller and offensive guru Matt LeFleur at head coach. It worked out, in part, because of stability with the offense. Same was true for the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, who sat a year behind Alex Smith with offensive wizard Andy Reid entrenched at head coach. Years ago when Aaron Rodgers was drafted behind Brett Favre, the Packers had an offensive coach and stayed with that formula when Mike McCarthy was hired the following season.
If the Bucs draft a QB this year, there is unlikely to be a stable system in place to transition to that quarterback when it’s his time. Or he’ll just sit on the bench for Mayfield’s entire tenure.
One could point to the Bengals’ early-2000’s Marvin Lewis’ marriage to Carson Palmer with offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski as an example of a defense-first head coach leading a QB transition. Palmer was the No. 1 overall pick and sat on the bench for a year, but ownership was super patient to ride through consecutive awful seasons with Lewis at head coach. Team Glazer has never displayed that kind of resolve.
The Joe typing here doesn’t see Team Glazer wanting to draft a QB this year. If Team Glazer wanted that, they most likely would have rolled with Kyle Trask in 2023 and passed on re-signing a free agent or two for this season.
Also, Joe is sure Bowles has no use for a rookie QB and would much prefer a beast in the trenches with his first-round draft pick.
As for Licht, Joe has no doubt he would jump at a QB if he felt he could get a true franchise guy. But that’s a tough potential swing-and-miss to take if your owners and head coach aren’t 100 percent in your corner.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:12 pm
QB Michael Pratt with a 6th….i know how
February 4th, 2024 at 8:12 pm
Our offense is Mike Evans. We can win with any average QB
February 4th, 2024 at 8:12 pm
Bakefield is not a Brady and never will be.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:18 pm
Find a way to get a 5th pick:
1. rt amarius mims
2. wr johnny wilson
3. rb bucky irving
4. ss/fs evan williams
5. cb jarvis brownlee jr
6. qb michael pratt
February 4th, 2024 at 8:22 pm
This is such an interesting question. The Bucs need a C, OLB, OG, MLB, S. I few, if not all those positions will be filled in Free Agency. If they are, Bucs are drafting BPA. Does Nix or Penix fall to the Bucs? Having another arm in the stable isn’t a bad idea..
February 4th, 2024 at 8:26 pm
We have enough holes that QB can’t be a priority. OLB, secondary, interior offensive line, 3rd WR, ILB. That’s a big list.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:27 pm
@ jackclark – How many yards did Mike have in our PLAYOFF VICTORY AGAINST PHILLY? Thanks for playing. Sit down.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:37 pm
Was Jameis a true “franchise QB”? Johnny Football? No I’m not a neanderthal believing a left guard is more important than a QB. QB is CLEARLY the most important position on the team but not the ONLY position. I am a realist who recognizes the MANY ways to win.
1st round QB’s are literally 50-50. John Lynch perhaps one of the top GM’s in the game failed miserably wasting THREE freaking first round picks and needing LUCK to get bailed out by Mr. Irrelevant.
Both SB’s won by the Bucs came with FA’s as QB. One of them Brad Johnson was drafted in the now nonexistent 9th round! I love Brad Johnson but does anybody believe he was better than a 6th round pick Tom Brady that season?
Brady went 9-7. How about Peyton Manning a true franchise QB from the draft…Chad Pennington had the top rating…but guess what…
Brad Johnson has the freaking SB ring. It’s far too soon to write off Mayfield.
Build the trenches! Add a couple of great CB’s..resign Winfield…the Bucs are not that far.
Waste all that draft capital on a QB like Lynch and the Bucs are just nowhere nearly as stout as the Niners..again in the trenches. They have half a McCaffery in White out of the backfield. Draft Corum and complete the other half. Great running and great receiving out of the backfield.
Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a no risk it no biscuit move. I get it. I also get that some folks have wet dreams about drafting the “right” QB and watching him grow into greatness. How many have done that? Mahomes…clearly…Aaron Rodgers..yep…Burrows..is one SB appearance enough to count because in the what have you done for me lately category Burrows comes up short. Despite having the third-best winning percentage in the NFL since Allen was drafted in 2018, the Bills have gone to one AFC Championship in that time and have zero Super Bowl appearances.
There is more than one way to get the job done. The “neanderthal way” or having a wet dream become true.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:43 pm
Jack Clark Says:
February 4th, 2024 at 8:12 pm
Our offense is Mike Evans. We can win with any average QB
On any other blog with any other fan base I would say that was a hilarious intentional joke. God bless central Florida.
February 4th, 2024 at 8:46 pm
Never thought of that situation. I ll clarify. Mahomes, Love and Rodger’s sat at least 1 year, I think Rodger’s was 2 or 3. They all had something in common. They had offensive HCs who ran the same system for at least 3 years in which they leaned under. How would this work with Bowles who is defensive minded. If he doesn’t have the same coordinator or QB coach at least 3 years then you don’t have consistency to develop a QB especially when the HC is on the defensive side of the ball. So if the Bucs drafted a late 1st or day 2 QB they would probably need that consistency to develop a franchise QB I would think. Just my opinion
February 4th, 2024 at 8:47 pm
I see that the Baker Haters are out again tonight. Glad your mommies are letting you stay up late.
Give it a rest already with drafting a QB in this draft. Baker will be re-signed along with Mike Evans and Winfield. The O-line and D-line will be fortified through the draft and FA, and Bowles will get his bruiser at RB to compliment White.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:18 pm
From the Pro Bowl: Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield continues to have arguably the best year of his career. After winning the precision passing skills challenge on Saturday, Mayfield earned Pro Bowl Offensive MVP honors on Sunday.
Okay, so its not a “real” game. Still, the guy continues to impress.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:20 pm
I still see a lot of ASSUMPTIONS being made in Bucsville. WHAT IF both Mayfield AND Evans sign elsewhere? How does THAT impact our 2024 draft priorities? WHAT IF Lavonte David opts to retire? Does THAT change our draft priorities any? Or WHAT IF Winfield decides he wants to roll the dice and try to break the bank? Would JL balk at that?
And those are the easy ones. Jason probably has at least 2 dozen ‘deals’ he’ll be overseeing in the next 2-3 months. The ultimate juggling act? Actually probably closer to playing 3-dimensional chess. Under water. While holding your breath.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:21 pm
We have too many pressing needs to be drafting a QB this year. We’ve got Trask and hopefully Baker which, Baker has proven he’s a starter in this league and Trask is a solid backup.
We need to draft an edge rusher with our #1 pick and then we need some corners that can actually cover people. Pass defense was atrocious last year.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:26 pm
Very unlikely we draft a QB in rd 1. I say build the rest of the team around Baker. If Baker doesn’t work out, you have a decent team to lure another FA QB later, or draft one. By the way, the Bucs don’t have a great history with drafted QBs anyway. We have been our best with FA QBs.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:28 pm
“The Packers drafted Jordan Love in 2020 with playcaller and offensive guru Matt LeFleur at head coach. It worked out, in part, because of stability with the offense.”
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Had they picked/traded for a decent WR, Packers could have been in the Super Bowl that year. They only missed by 5 points
February 4th, 2024 at 9:33 pm
Never fear. The mighty Kyle Trask is ready to lead the Bucs to the number 1 selection in the 2025 draft.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:34 pm
@ defense rules – there is zero chance on Baker going anywhere. He will get tagged before Evans. Winfield will get paid. Start to face reality. Evans is gone. The sooner we accept it we can move on. Unless he takes a hometown discount, ME will be playing elsewhere next yr. It’s a business.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:35 pm
Build the trenches – DE/OLB and G/C in the first 2 rounds
Followed by RB, TE, S and LB. This is based on re-signing Baker, Evans, Winfield, LVD and McLaughlin. Who the Bucs get in FA could also alter it.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:36 pm
I agree with Defense Rules.
So much can happen going forward.
Personally, I don’t see a lot of point to drafting a QB in the first round this year, since we pick so late. I can see trading up a few spots for a top quality OL guy (Center?), but not for QB.
Now, on the other hand, if the absolutely impossible happens and the Bucs can trade a re-signed Mayfield for a top 5 pick? Everyone would expect us to take a QB…but we could land the top center and get a QB next year.
But…it won’t happen.
Thankfully.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:37 pm
I don’t believe ME is going anywhere.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:40 pm
If we.can’t re-sign 1 of the 5 big FAs the Bucs have, you use the $ on a FA at the same or other position and adjust your draft.
February 4th, 2024 at 9:43 pm
@ bonzai – if he takes a hometown discount…he’ll be here. If not, not sure we have the money to pay him what he is asking for. But maybe he loves Tampa so much. His family is here. He should take a discount so we can sign our other FA’s…right?
February 4th, 2024 at 10:01 pm
If the Glazers are going to sink 30+ million per year into Mayfield, they’re gonna want to be winning. But this team still has significant holes to fill using their high draft picks if they want to compete with the best teams in the NFC. They’re not spending a high pick on a QB. I repeat — they’re not spending a high pick on a QB. Let me amend that — only if a guy they really like drops into the later 2nd round or later 3rd round when their pick is coming up could I see a day 2 pick… and I’m talking about a QB they have a strong conviction on at a value price. Otherwise, maybe a day 3 QB… Even then, I have to think they’re probably okay with Trask and Wolford as backups, especially Wolford since he’s worked with Coen before and knows the McVay system better than anyone on the current roster. QBOF in the draft will wait another year or two.
I also think that it’s funny that all that Caleb worship when people were entertaining tanking before the season looks even dumber in light of him acting like a childish diva who will probably be a bust in the NFL. He won’t be the first QB drafted and his stock will continue to drop as teams get to know him. So the collapse crowd was wrong on several levels. I hope they remember that the next time some ludicrous speculative scenario is being hatched.
February 4th, 2024 at 10:05 pm
DR you have a good point. What if “let’s say the Falcons make Mayfield an offer he can’t refuse? Then Mike Evans follows him there.
February 4th, 2024 at 10:08 pm
I wont want to go to work tomorrow
February 4th, 2024 at 10:10 pm
Has anyone else noticed that @Jack Clark and HC grover have posted many times back to back on many topics? Hmmm, Same internet in apartment above Mom”s garage? Hmmm
February 4th, 2024 at 10:19 pm
MadMax
That’s your “A” game, bro? You must have taken this season off. lol
February 4th, 2024 at 10:27 pm
It will be another wasted year for us 9-8 if the division is bad. 6-11 if the division is good. As long as Baker is the quarterback we will have a inconsistent offense.
February 4th, 2024 at 10:31 pm
Uh sorry current head coach means nothing
From Mr Tennessee ready to koetter. Same coordinator same results. BA washed his hands of Winston.
The packers example well they were all stud offensive head coaches. Lovie uh Bowles can’t develop a quarterback so not a bad idea to have the right guy in place. If Trask was the right guy he would have taken over for Brady
February 4th, 2024 at 10:34 pm
It’s simply ignorant to say the team isn’t going anywhere with Baker when he had the Bucs one Todd Bowles from the NFC Championship game.
February 4th, 2024 at 10:40 pm
Hopefully they will trade Trask this year. Two other teams wanted him last year one of which wanted him as a starter, but the Buc’s made him sit.
February 4th, 2024 at 10:58 pm
@optimisticbucsfan did you already forget that panthers game where baker mayfield threw for 202 yards and 162 of them WENT TO MIKE EVANS? Thanks for playing. Sit down.
February 4th, 2024 at 11:07 pm
Jack Clark says Mike Evans is our offense so let me get this rite how many Evans drop this year & critical drops how many games were if not for the rest of the cast palmer,Godwin otton even moore we wud not have won 4 of those games so u r full of bs.i grew up next to a family with last name clark & they were a real bunch of hillbillies also no joke!!! Clueless moron
February 4th, 2024 at 11:11 pm
Who wanted Trask as a starter that is the 1st I’ve ever heard any such a thing & I have heard alot of garbage on this site.do not post such unfounded garbage on any site
February 4th, 2024 at 11:15 pm
A 9&8 year is a bust & waste of time oneibuc. Is the waste of time what a 1st class loser u r
February 4th, 2024 at 11:24 pm
ONeilbuc your prognosticating skills are the worst on here.
You were wrong on Jameis when he was here.
You were wrong on Jameis when he left here.
You were wrong on Brady being able to win here.
You were wrong when you said that Belichick would be good without Brady.
You were wrong on Brady being able to win the Super Bowl.
You were wrong about Bruce Arians being the wrong coach and unable to win the whole thing.
You were wrong last year when you said that Trask would win the job over Baker Mayfield.
You were wrong last year when after the draft you predicted that Philadelphia would go to the Super Bowl.
It seems like the surest bet may be the bet against you.
February 4th, 2024 at 11:32 pm
Here is a comprehensive list of competent QBs that the Bucs have drafted and developed over the past 48 years.
1. Doug Williams (not very accurate but won a SB with Washington later in his career)
2. Vinnie Testeverde (interception-prone with the Bucs but did well with the Jets later in his career)
3. Trent Dilfer (a dud with the Bucs but won a SB with Baltimore later in his career as a game manager carried by a strong defense)
4. Josh Freeman (had a couple decent years but imploded due to mental issues and possible addictions)
5. Jameis Winston (interception-prone but imploded with the Saints due to lack of discipline)
Anyone else? Shaun King for a few games? Chris Sims? Bruce Gradkowski?
Kyle Trask is yet to see action
Brad Johnson, Steve DeBerg ad Tom Brady were free-agent gunslingers. Steve Young was a bust in TB but blossomed to a HOF QB in SF 49ers
February 4th, 2024 at 11:32 pm
I hate these 3 words if and or but we all know who uses them David oneil,slypirate etc stuffer up u azz
February 4th, 2024 at 11:34 pm
Bakersboy…….your right here’s some numbers from this season 173-146-144-137 boy that’s some good passing yards right! Gets a little better 206-199-202 that’s 7 games where one position on offense was lacking. Here’s some good numbers for you 317-381-309 that’s two wins and a loss. The loss was the saints with the season on the line game over in the early 3rd and garbage prevent yards in there. The 137 was last game of the season everything on the line. Mayfield chokes from the opening kickoff. This guy is not the answer. It’s painfully obvious to the eyeball test and the stats. He is Mr inconsistent.
February 4th, 2024 at 11:43 pm
Baker continues to impress. The season. The playoffs. The Pro Bowl.
Yet here we sit seeing some of these so called Bucs “fans” that take shots at him. Some of you could win the lottery and be unhappy because of the taxes. Absolutely Ridiculous.
February 4th, 2024 at 11:58 pm
@proudbucsfan – Tampa can and will FRANCHISE tag Baker before he goes anywhere. He can’t just up and leave. Sigh. SMDH.
February 4th, 2024 at 11:59 pm
@jackclark – sorry your evans jersey is worthless. Sorry. We’ll have a gofundmepoorjackclark to get you a Baker jersey. LOL
February 5th, 2024 at 12:06 am
The Baker critics should send their resume’s to the Glazers. Obviously they know more than the players, coaches, and management. Seriously, go apply. I’m sure Joel is really interested in these anti-Baker perspectives. Four consecutive playoff appearances, clearly they need some of the maroons from here to sort it out and get the Bucs back to losing.
February 5th, 2024 at 12:25 am
Your odds of getting a Franchise QB in the first Round are way less than 50-50. I’d say 25%. Your chances of getting a good starting QB in rounds 2-5, I’d say are 10%. Why bother. I’d also say no team wanted to trade for Trask and make him a starter.
February 5th, 2024 at 1:59 am
We are all still waiting for some shred of proof that 2 teams wanted to trade for Trask. And that One of them wanted him to be their starter. I read just about every Bucs news source and never once heard about it. Please show us some receipts. I’m not saying you’re making stuff up but crickets after getting called out isn’t helping your cause.
February 5th, 2024 at 3:26 am
1st Round – Jackson Powers-Johnson C (Oregon) – might need to trade-up
2nd Round – TJ Tampa CB (ISU) (Mitchell will be gone, possibly Tampa, too)
3rd Round – Best Available (G/EDGE/CB, since I’m moving off Dean (&/or) Davis
4th Round – “Sweet Baby Ray” Davis RB (Kentucky)
6th Round – Best Available – SPEEEEEED (OL/WR/EDGE/CB)
7th Round – (same concept as 6th Round)
FA – Josh Allen – make-it happen Hahah where there’s a will, there’s a way (help with these new Corners) – might need to find some value with a cheap veteran Corner too, if you move off BOTH, but I can’t see Bowels ever allowing that!!!!
February 5th, 2024 at 6:59 am
Jason Anthony Sturgess … ‘I’d also say no team wanted to trade for Trask’.
And exactly how do you know that Jason? What makes you think that the Bucs even tried to trade Trask?
Fact is that we have no idea what we have in Kyle Trask. That’s one of my biggest his on the current Bucs staff; they’ve wasted a 2nd Rnd draft pick by sitting him on the bench for THREE years, taking up a valuable roster spot, and never determining whether or not he’s capable of running this offense. That’s not on Trask; that’s on Licht, Arians & Bowles.
February 5th, 2024 at 7:40 am
If your signing Baker to a 3 year deal there is no point in drafting a QB in the first. I could see a mid to late rounder to potentially replace Trask ss the back up when his contract expires after this upcoming season. This is a topic to revisit a year or two from now if Baker regresses and isn’t somone you see extending a second time
February 5th, 2024 at 7:51 am
I read that Canales wanted to go with Trask and was unhappy starting Mayfield.
February 5th, 2024 at 8:34 am
That precision passing challenge was really a who’s who of QBs …
NFC:
Baker Mayfield
Geno Smith
Jalen Hurts
AFC:
CJ Stroud
Gardner Minshew
Tua Tagovailoa
And flag football. So impressive. Can’t believe the Bucs are this fortunate.
February 5th, 2024 at 9:00 am
I have absolutely no faith in Bowles developing a QB, so we might as well keep Baker as long as Bowles is here. However, he should not be paid like an elite QB. If the braintrust wants to roll the dice with him, fine. Please be responsible with his contract. If they give him a huge contract and he fades, Lich, Bowles, and many others will be packing their bags. IMO that’s way too big a risk.
February 5th, 2024 at 10:10 am
As long as the Glazers and Licht are running the team they will never draft another QB. Trask was Arians idea. They will just keep signing retreads.
February 5th, 2024 at 10:11 am
Defense Rules Says:
February 5th, 2024 at 6:59 am
the bench for THREE years, taking up a valuable roster spot, and never determining whether or not he’s capable of running this offense. That’s not on Trask; that’s on Licht, Arians & Bowles.
Nope. Thats ON TRASK. Welcome to the NFL ( and frankly business life), Its the job of a backup Qb to show the head coach and organization he is the best option at QB. The claim a late second rounder deserves to start just to see what he’s got is total nonsense.
What you want no NFl coach worth a nickel is going to give. You don’t want to just see if Trask has the goods you want to also see if he can develop to have the goods. Why?
because we all know if Trask starts one game and throws two good passes the whole game you will see the Trask cult claim – ” oh see? He needs time to develop”. So what you all want in the cult is for a HC to turn over the keys FOR MULTIPLE GAMES just to see if the beloved works out
ain’t happening. Not in the NFL.
For all the talk all season form the Trask Cult – name me three QBs in the last two decade where as a second round pick the QBs were given multiple games starting just to “see what they had” not because
1) their HC thought they earned it in practice
2) they lost a qb due to injury
3) they lost a qb in free agency
4) the starting Qb threw multiple picks.
5) the team was trying to tank
Don’t even try giving me Purdy because it was injury that brought him forward. So nothing is happening with Trask that hasn’t and won’t continue to NUMEROUS Qbs that do not impress their HC.
It the JOB OF A QB to show his organization he is ready. It is not their job to play him until he is. Again
Welcome to the NFL.
February 5th, 2024 at 5:12 pm
If the GM says the team will definitely not be drafting a QB, put money on it. They will be drafting a QB. It’s smoke and mirrors season before the draft.
Trask’s rookie contract is almost over. It is not fair to force him into a backup position after 4 years. Keep him on this year as backup for emergencies. Baker has been injured and missed more than 4 games due to injuries twice in the last 6 years. If Baker is the Buc’s long-term solution, let Trask test out free agency to join another team that has QB competition for the McVay offensive scheme. Who knows, Trask may end up in New Orleans, Carolina, Atlanta, Minnesota or Seattle after this year.
February 6th, 2024 at 7:38 am
“No, Joe never believed the rumor peddled by major media that Team Glazer pushed Licht into drafting kicker Roberto Aguayo in 2016.”
Remember that when you are defending Licht’s decisions, in the future.
Draft/ sign a “Franchise QB” anytime you can!