Doubting Baker Mayfield’s Value
February 2nd, 2024
So what teams are on line to sign Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield to a multiyear, free agent contract?
One NFL super insider seems to think Bucs general manager Jason Licht is alone on that line.
The insider (who will not surprise harcore fans) is NBC super guru Peter King, who has a pipeline to many GMs, owners and head coaches.
Pontificating on Pro Football Talk live today, King said Mayfield has to be realistic when he takes a stance that he must know who is calling plays before he re-signs with the Bucs.
Per King, the renowned Mayfield doubter, Mayfield should appreciate that a playoff team (Tampa Bay) wants to pay him and it’s probably a lone-wolf buyer.
“What other teams in the NFL right now would pay me something close to the market value contract, or somewhere near a market value contract that Tampa will give me?” King said, referring to what Mayfield should be thinking.
“So while I respect Baker Mayfield saying, ‘Well hold on a minute. I gotta know what’s happening with this offense before I, you know, commit to this [Bucs] team,’ you gotta have options. There’s 32 teams in the NFL. How many of those teams right now are pinging the agent for Baker Mayfield and saying, ‘Don’t do anything until you talk to us.’ I doubt that that is the case.”
Joe isn’t sure of Mayfield’s value. So King shouldn’t be so hasty.
Look at the Falcons. They’d be the instant favorite to win the NFC South if they signed Mayfield. Remember, Mayfield’s former Rams QB coach just signed to be the Atlanta playcaller. Joe also could see another team or two being interested in Mayfield a No. 1 QB while they draft and develop a rookie QB.
Regardless, Joe isn’t worried one bit about losing Mayfield. The Bucs could always slap the franchise tag on him this month and continue to negotiate a multiyear contract.
Overpaying for Mayfield? Joe wouldn’t worry about that, either. The Bucs don’t have a recent history of impulsive paydays.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:15 pm
A lot of demand for the guy who threw an interception to end our Super Bowl aspirations. Saying he did better than we thought he would do. Therefore, he gets a pass is a loser mentality. Question is, do relief think Mayfield can get us to a Super Bowl.?
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:24 pm
In order to evaluate Mayfield’s “value” we need to first evaluate the demand for his services and the supply of NFL QBs.
6-7 teams looking for starting QBs. 4-5 of them will be found via the draft.
That leaves 2-3 teams.
The top 4 QB free agents are:
– Cousins
– Tannehill
– Mayfield
– Minshew
I believe there will be some demand for Baker as he is probably the 2nd best free agent available after Cousins…
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:24 pm
No one is lining up to sign mr .500 journeyman baker. It’ll always be the same story. Some games good some games bad… throw a pick to end the game. Repeat. Joebakerfan is frothing at the mouth for another year of clicks from polarized fans on here arguing about why baker sucks or why he’s the most underrated journeyman there ever was. Anyway with toad and midfield back next year it’ll be another exciting season of .500 football
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:28 pm
No team will offer him big money and/or a long term deal. He has no history of consistent success and wouldn’t be a happy backup if he lost the starting job.
Some where close to 3 years, 60 mil, with 20 guaranteed at the start of each NFL year.
A decent paying “prove it” deal that allows the Bucs to clean house after Bowles is finally fired after 2024
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:33 pm
What a joke, calling Peter King a NBC super guru LOFL.
should be more like NBC old fat bastard who should retire already.
That A Hole hates the Buc’s and Baker so what a surprise on his take.
There would be multiple teams (definitely the Falcons) who would try and sign Baker but he will be back with the Bucs anyways.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:34 pm
Why would you say Coach Bowles will be fired after 2024. Things are looking good. Negativity erodes objectivity. Amazing.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:39 pm
I don’t believe Mayfield is worth 36 mil franchise tag. Thats for one year so you can’t push the money down the road so that would eat up most of the cap. If Evans decided to sign with Houston you could.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:46 pm
Whatever, the best part of Bake is he cranks it up in crunch time. Lamar, Dak, Herbert not so much. Old boy ain’t perfect but he rises to the occasion. Bring back Mike, Baker and Winfield. Find us a awesome Edge rusher and lockdown IOL. And w/e DB or L/B Todd wants
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:50 pm
@Marine Buc, @Tb bolts, and @Davenport, I agree with all three of those posts.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:52 pm
It is called negotiating. Always ask for more than you think you will get.
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:53 pm
You may not like his opinions, but he has a lot of front office connections. He has a better pulse than any of us. I’ll take him at his word on this.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:01 pm
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The Bucs don’t have a recent history of impulsive paydays.
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Maybe not impulsive, but they’ve certainly not gotten a lot of value out of some recent free agent signings. Some of that has been bad luck due to injury, some were stretch moves to keep the Superbowl window open. Hope our luck with free agent spending improves with Mayfield, Evans, Winfield, and David contracts this year.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:01 pm
The key phrase here is that the Falcons would be favorites to win the NFC SOUTH, not the NFC. That’s the whole thing about Mayfield. Yes, he can win games, but is he that Super Bowl caliber QB that can lift a team? Highly, highly suspect. He is neither proven winner at least at conference level (Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts) or electric talent that sells jerseys and seats (Lamar, pre-massage Deshaun). He’s a good solid mid-tier QB and should be paid like it. Any other demands should be met with a list of local moving companies.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:07 pm
‘Joe isn’t worried one bit about losing Mayfield. The Bucs could always slap the franchise tag on him this month and continue to negotiate a multiyear contract.’
Not understanding your rationale Joe. Teams have from Feb 20th to Mar 5th to franchise tag or transition tag a player, but free agency doesn’t fully open until Mar 13th (although teams have 2 days prior to that to enter into negotiations with prospective UFAs).
So no other teams could’ve negotiated with him by Mar 5th when we’d have to franchise tag him. We’d be negotiating against ourselves (to the tune of around $35 mil when his Market Value supposedly is only $27 mil. The difference is probably LVD’s value for 2024.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:16 pm
LamarJackson threw a pic to end Baltimore’s Super Bowl aspirations. Jordan Love through 2 pic to end Green Bay’s Super Bowl aspirations…. You get the picture
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:20 pm
I am a bit concerned about the Atlanta Falcons making a run at Baker Mayfield.
#1 – They need a starting QB
#2 – They do not currently have a top 5 draft pick (#8)
#3 – They hired Zac Robinson as their OC – Zac worked with Baker in L.A.
#4 – Signing Baker Mayfield would damage a division rival
#5 – They hired Rah Morris as their HC and he was in L.A. with Baker
Keep an eye on Atlanta – those dirty little birds.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:34 pm
As I posted many many times I like BM, but I disagree with guys, predicting an apocalipsis if he is signed somewhere else.
I don´t think also BM is in a position to ¨question¨who will be his next OC, he is far from superstar status, be carefull to overvalue yourself.
Around 25mm per season I am all in, higher than that, ploease take the highway.
There is no big money for everyone, and I think Winfield, Evans LVD Wirfs and even Chase McLaughlin are priorities at the right price too
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:37 pm
What has Cousins ever done?
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:46 pm
Baker may be the #1 FA QB. Unless you are a QB away, why would you go after Cousins? He can’t have more than 2 years left and is coming off a serious injury – like Kaaron Rodgers.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:53 pm
@ Buddha
“What has Cousins ever done?”
Well – when he was healthy and had a solid running game and defense the Vikings went 13-4 with Cousins at QB…
I guess I could ask you the same question about Baker Mayfield. Right?
Cousins is coming off a nasty AH injury so if you wanted to make that argument it would make more sense.
But neither Baker nor Cousins have won Super Bowls or have gone very far in the play-offs.
February 2nd, 2024 at 2:57 pm
This is exactly why I think Baker will sign for around $30 with Tampa. Who is the competition? The Falcons, no doubt, the Steelers maybe… the Vikings maybe… and the Raiders. 4 teams and 3 of them might not have interest. Everyone else has their guy, and if they don’t, they are about to draft one.
Baker certainly has limits but he can definitely take a team to a SB. He won a playoff game with us when people thought we were going nowhere, and he won a playoff game with the BROWNS! No one does that haha. Brock Purdy might win a SB next week and you can’t tell me he’s better than Baker. He just has a terrific system and roster around him. That’s what matters most, drop Tom Brady onto that team you instantly win a SB. Drop a Purdy or a Mayfield or a Foles onto that team and you can still win a SB, just need coaches and players bringing their A game for 4 weeks.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:02 pm
Bucs offense will be much improved this year.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:10 pm
Davenport Says:
Some where close to 3 years, 60 mil, with 20 guaranteed at the start of each NFL year.
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Why do you kids continue to post your childish daydreams like they have any chance of happening?
Offer any qb starter 20 million and one year alone guaranteed he walks and doesn’t even matter at this point if you are daydreaming about Trask – end of next year he walks too and even faster than Baker would.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:16 pm
Ryan Jensen announced his retirement!!
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:17 pm
We will not win a superbowl with Baker Mayfield and it doesn’t matter how much you love him and make excuses for him or his average stats. The bucs will never win a superbowl with Baker Mayfield at quarterback because he’s not a franchise quarterback and he will always be average. Again he choked against the Lions and no one wants to mention that about Baker Mayfield and he will choke next year as the bucs stater. Watch and see lol 🤣🤣
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:18 pm
A good opportunity to get a Pro Bowl QB at a discount.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:22 pm
@ A Bucs Fan
Jenson retiring – that is interesting. I wonder how this will impact his compensation. I heard he was going to be a “post June 1st” cut due to salary cap reasons.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:26 pm
Marine Buc Says:
Well – when he was healthy and had a solid running game and defense the Vikings went 13-4 with Cousins at QB…
I guess I could ask you the same question about Baker Mayfield. Right?
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Cousins wants 45 million per year and two years minimum from the vikes and from what i understand they are considering it and still drafting a QB which makes sense – normally takes two years to develop a young QB.
SO if you are coming in at Baker money at 30- low 30s He will likely stay put
Since they are likely to keep cousins and take a QB the room for Baker outside of the Bucs grows quite nicely.
I don’t know why this is still being talked about though . Too many OC candidates with Baker connections were brought in. They are likely to sign him before other teams can even offer.
With Cousins looking 45 million its unlikely they are going to leverage for less than the high 20s low 30s for Baker.
With The recent OC hire looking like a nod toward Mayfield I suspect he will be ina good frame of mind to be accomodating as well.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:30 pm
@Marine I guess it depends. If Ryan files his official retirement before June 1 Bucs would be on the hook for anll 16 million. If he waits and lets the Bucs release him post June 1 they can split his cap hit between this year and next. 4.8 for 2024 and 11.8 in 2025.
And if anyone is interested Jensen announced it himself on instagram.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:34 pm
The Bucs CB room is definitely overpaid, especially the way the Toadster uses them. Genius – let’s get press man corners, force them to play bust zone and forget how to catch.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:35 pm
Oneilbuc Says:
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:17 pm
We will not win a superbowl with Baker Mayfield and it doesn’t matter how much you love him and make excuses
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OB when we see a patent for your crystal ball that works or confirm your flux capacitor actually fluxes we will stop laughing at your future telling capabilities.
As Yoda would say
“the hate no matter how strong it be. the future you know not”
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:36 pm
3 year $100 million dollar contract is the most we should give Baker
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:37 pm
Buccaneers – Liam Coen
Panthers – Canales/Idzik
Falcons – Zac Robinson
Saints – Klint Kubiak
Every NFC South team going into 2024 season with a new play caller that come from very similar systems….
Be interesting to see which got it right and which struggle…..
Depends on who the Falcons get as QB (Mayfield a possibility)…
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:47 pm
Murph Says:
February 2nd, 2024 at 1:34 pm
Why would you say Coach Bowles will be fired after 2024.
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Career loser
2022: 8-9
2023: 9-8
All three South teams better
Evans probably gone
Other vets potentially gone
New, unproven, coaching staff, again
Assume Mayfield re-signing and putting together back-to-back good seasons for the first time ever
None of this spells success and we’re supposed to believe that Bowles will do something – two straight above .500 seasons – that he’s never done?
I love the Bucs, since 76, but i refuse to blindly trust based on hope
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:50 pm
I just hear Ryan Jensen announced his retirement
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:53 pm
@ A Bucs Fan
Thank you for clarifying.
Let’s hope the Bucs don’t need to eat the entire thing this off-season. We really can’t afford it right now.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:56 pm
@ Tony M
“SO if you are coming in at Baker money at 30- low 30s He will likely stay put”
I agree.
Cousins will probably get @ $40M per season and Baker will be next at @ $30-35M per…
The Bucs are hiring one of his “approved OCs” so let’s hope they get this done asap.
February 2nd, 2024 at 3:59 pm
It might be a great idea to put the franchise tag on Baker.
Gives Tampa 1 more year to see if the QB can replicate what he did in 2023.
And i think Baker is ballsy enough to play under the tag.
I would sign Evans to a lifetime retirement deal, considering what he has meant to the organization. Hall of Famer for sure.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:04 pm
You guys crack me up. Since the day he showed up nin this town you guys have doubted Baker and scrutinized his every moved and judged him insufficent to meet your superior football knoledge. AN yunz have been wrong every step of the way.
The kid parachuted into this town and took up the challenge and endured all the spring and summer heat ,helped install and build a brand new offensive system brick by brick and play by play.
He more than proved every thing they asked for. He joined a team of strangers and won them over by deeds and not hot air. He showed Tampa and the NFL that he is indeed number one draft pic and why.
Now you are al kind enough to decide what he is worth as if you owned the team .Beware what you ask for?Yeah Atlanta needs a QB,so does New England,Washinton,Minn. But here is one that should scare you. Sean Payton is sitting there in Denver and coveting Baker because he sees a young Drew Breeze ,just as cerebral but with a better arm and mobility.
What if the Broncos move on both Baker and evans? Just saying.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:04 pm
The 2024 NFL league year will start on 13 Mar 2024. Per NFL rules, it’s important to note that ‘When a player retires, it’s similar to being cut by the team, and the same rule about June 1 applies here too.’
‘Should a player be released between the beginning of a league year and June 1 of that same year, it’s classified as a pre-June 1st cut. Contrarily, if the player is released after June 1, they are labeled a post-June 1st cut. This distinction is pivotal as it dictates the treatment of any remaining prorated bonus funds’.
‘For players released before June 1, all residual, prorated bonus funds are expedited and counted within the current year’s calculations’.
‘Regardless of the timing of a player’s release, the team still realizes cost savings. This often stems from the fact that the team is absolved of paying the player’s salary for the ongoing and subsequent years of the contract. Additionally, the team can evade specific bonuses depending on when the cut happens. If a player is cut before the new league year commences, the team avoids shelling out roster or workout bonuses for the ensuing years. And, any yet-to-commence option bonuses are nullified’.
Actually pretty clear in Ryan Jensen’s case. He signed a 3 year, $39.0 mil contract with the Bucs in 2022, including $26.5 mil guaranteed. He’s already been paid the FULL $26.5 mil that was guaranteed in 2022 & 2023.
In 2024, Jensen is scheduled to earn a base salary of $1,210,000, while carrying a cap hit of $5,977,000 and a dead cap value of $16,568,000. The Dead CAP is because of the $26.5 mil he’s ALREADY received. His CAP Hit in 2022 was $4.0 mil & his CAP Hit in 2023 was $5.9 mil. Subtract that $9.9 mil total from the $26.5 mil he’s been paid and that’s $16.6 mil … the amount of his Dead CAP value this year. THAT’S the impact of kicking the can down the street and not taking the full $26.5 mil CAP Hit in 2022 & 2023.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:13 pm
A Bucs Fan … ‘I guess it depends. If Ryan files his official retirement before June 1 Bucs would be on the hook for anll 16 million. If he waits and lets the Bucs release him post June 1 they can split his cap hit between this year and next. 4.8 for 2024 and 11.8 in 2025.’
Far as I can tell you’re exactly right, except for 1 added detail: If we cut him AFTER June 1st we’d still owe him more money because he’d be into the 2024 year. Thus we get tagged with the full $16.6 mil CAP hit (I believe) BUT we save his $13 mil salary from 2024 because of when he retired. That helps us a ton in 2025 (which will be a REALLY bad year in terms of VOID year CAP hits it looks like).
So (I believe) the Bucs actually save $13 mil based on Ryan’s decision, but take a bigger hit ($16.6 mil) this year than we would have ($6.0 mil hit) … but no CAP Hit in 2025. That’ll actually allow us to slide some restructured contracts for others into 2025 to take that place. We STILL end up saving $13 mil in CAP Hits. I think.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:27 pm
I’m tired of all the void year contracts recently. It’s a big reason why I don’t want Baker back. He’ll cost too much relative to his on-field worth. Signing him will require cap tricks which will reverberate through other contracts for Evans, Winfield, Mclaughlin, Wirfs. All of which will require more void years.
Brady came here because we had a talented team. We had a talented team because we were not stealing from the future with a bunch of bad contracts. Then Brady showed up and Licht lost the handles with his spending. Now we’re in a 3+ year hole.
The first rule if you want to get out of a hole is to stop digging.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:39 pm
I don’t think the market for Baker is as strong as some think — but as the saying goes, it only takes one.
At the same time, if Atlanta wants to give Baker some dumb contract, then please, be my guest. To have Atlanta and New Orleans trapped with huge contracts for middling QBs would be great.
I have no issues with Baker returning, but people shouldn’t pretend like he’s special. He’s 18th in QBR, and 20th in scoring, and in a year where literally only 9 QBs started all their games, Baker was the worst of the 9. Also the bust rate for guys who have a career year out of the blue is extremely high. Still, that bust rate isn’t 100%, so he’s still worth taking a gamble on for another year. But if someone thinks he’s gone from bust to franchise QB and wants to pay him that way, well, good luck with that — just so long as it’s not the Bucs doing it.
February 2nd, 2024 at 4:55 pm
Marine Buc – Also Geno Smith might be available, plus Justin Fields is available via trade.
Personally I’d ship a 3rd to Chicago for Fields, assuming that is the price, and if I read his contract right, he’d only be a $3.2m hit – which would give you a year to try him out. He has all the skills of a legit franchise QB if he’s in an offense that actually takes advantage of his skills, unlike the dumb Bears this year that wanted him to be a pocket passer for some dumb reason.
But the Bucs will likely just bring back Baker – as you point out, as I point out, I’m not sure the market is as strong as people think – but, again, it only takes one team to screw that market up, like how the Jags did with Christian Kirk, giving him $20m at WR, which then reset the entire market so actual start WRs now want $30m.
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:01 pm
1st, he’s 7 years younger than Cousins and Tannehill.
2nd: 3 year deal possible below, you get past first 3-4 QBs drafted what else are you going to do?
Atlanta
Pittsburg
Denver
Tenn
Seattle
even Wash or Chicago
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:06 pm
What if Evens and Mayfield follow Dave Canoodle to Carolina?
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Did the Baker haters watch him overcome a novice playcaller, terrible run game, and sub-level O-line this year and win a playoff game? Idiots.
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:28 pm
Better pay the guy what he is worth. If we want him to give a hundred percent to the franchise, cant nickel and dime him.
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:49 pm
Same O’Neill clown: Winston sucks bro get over your lol’s after every QB since JW. Brady sucked to remember? Winston never lead a team to the playoffs with 6-7 chances and is a backup to David Carr after Brees. Mayfield is so much better it’s not even funny.
So now we are judging QB’s only by Super Bowl wins? What are there left? Mahomes an older Stafford and a beat up Rodgers? What qb is coming in at 26 or a pennies on the dollar veteran QB again and is going to win a SB? We going to give up a bunch of picks to move into the top 3? Be realistic, sign for 3 years and you can get out of it after 2. Clean up some needed spots at see what we can do.
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:49 pm
I love all the talk (from the usual Haters of course) who think that the Bucs will sign Baker for $20M a year! INSERT LAUGH HERE
Frankly, it makes me wonder how so many of you got into an Ivy League school. Must have been your terrific SAT’s!
I know, many of you have commented how Mayfield will never win a Super Bowl because he just doesn’t have the talent of say: TUA, PRESCOTT, BURROWS, JACKSON, ALLEN, GOFF, LAWRENCE, HERBERT, COUSINS or HURT.
Oh, that’s right, none of those guys won a SB either! And they’re all paid a lot more than $20M, or $25M, or …
Baker Haters … I beg you all to seek professional help. Hopefully before next season.
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:50 pm
3 years 100 mil
gitt err dunn
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:51 pm
Peter King = Super Guru? Meh.
Baker has already won over the fan base (except the most hardened Kyle Tras(H)k bitter-clinger fans), we won too many games to qualify for top 5 pick required to get a franchise-type QB. The guy has moxie and the support of the entire offense (along with the new OC, this might just help us sign Mike Evans). Draft some o-linemen, add a receiver (deep draft for that this year), a legit RB (maybe Ray Davis) to help the new OC even things out a bit…this season could be interesting.
Regardless, Baker gives us the best chance to KEEP winning WHILE we get out from under the last year of the GOAT’s salary cap impact/cap limitations – we can draft a Corner with our first, build the o-line, add some D-line help…keep building this team!
I don’t know if I said it, but I like the offensive direction – and especially re-signing Baker Mayfield.
Sorry haters, there’s going to be a few more years of Baker Mayfield as your starting QB, and that’s a GOOD thing!
In Licht we trust!
It really doesn’t matter what the rest of you think!
February 2nd, 2024 at 5:53 pm
Pay him 3 years 100 million, since QBS are hard to find and the team loves him and he loves them…which is sometimes not the case on some teams, and franchise Mike and squeeze maybe the last truly great year out of his aging body!
February 2nd, 2024 at 6:10 pm
I also doubt the value of Mayfield.
He might have turned the page and be all he can be; which isn’t a lot, but is slightly above the middle.
Then again, this year might have been an anomaly, Baker of 2024 might be the same old Baker as we learned to hate.
Of, the same things might be said about Trask and every other NFL QB. you never know until the season is over.
February 2nd, 2024 at 6:30 pm
Baker Mayfield is going to the Denver Broncos to thrive in Sean Payton’s offense.
Payton is used to coaching and finding ways for an undersized QB (Drew Brees) to thrive in his offense. An unlikely an odd turn of events Russell Wilson may be headed to the Buccaneers on a one year prove it contract.
With Mike Evans signing with the Houston Texans, Chris Godwin will take over as the number one receiver and the box will be forced to bring injury prone Russell Gage back.
Since the Bucs new offensive coordinator doesn’t believe in the run game (only 54 attempts for the entire season last year in college ball) It’s likely that the box will exceed last year’s passing offense numbers despite having lesser personnel. Showing up the offensive line
February 2nd, 2024 at 6:32 pm
Baker Mayfield is going to the Denver Broncos to thrive in Sean Payton’s offense.
Payton is used to coaching and finding ways for an undersized QB (Drew Brees) to thrive in his offense. An unlikely an odd turn of events Russell Wilson may be headed to the Buccaneers on a one year prove it contract.
With Mike Evans signing with the Houston Texans, Chris Godwin will take over as the number one receiver and the box will be forced to bring injury prone Russell Gage back.
Since the Bucs new offensive coordinator doesn’t believe in the run game (only 54 attempts for the entire season last year in college ball) It’s likely that the box will exceed last year’s passing offense numbers despite having lesser personnel. Shoring up the offensive line to give the new box quarterback time to throw will help a lot.
Getting ready for the greatest show on turf part 2!
February 2nd, 2024 at 6:40 pm
Does any one believe a word Peter King says? The guy is so wrong all the time.
February 2nd, 2024 at 6:47 pm
And Joe is surprised lol he had 5 good games man accept that lol!
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:02 pm
Baker is the most valuable QB this team has had in a decade. Obviously excluding Brady, for he is the exception. This team since its First years as a franchise have not been able to develop young talent. Salary Cap wise I understand we have the 8 highest amount to play with. However we have to play for this upcoming season as well as set ourselves up for continued future success. It doesn’t just accidentally happen. A lot of plotting and scheming. I will Forever trust in Licht. The man got us Brady, and another ring, on top of drafting and signing well. No one bats a hundred. I’d take Licht over 99 percent of these other gms. Just remember Bucs fans we could live in Jerry’s world. Lmao 😂 Choke job after choke job.
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:11 pm
you can actually franchise mike the next 2 seasons if you want…
at something like 27-28 mil
then in year 2 at like 35 mil
yeah that’s a lot of money, and mike will be pissed on the one year franchise-zings :), but also you are paying him the big bucks out of respect and tenure…
then if he’s semi washed 3 years down the line, you go year to year with him like lavonte
(and i’m not saying lavonte is semi-washed)
just another way to keep ME13 around and make him a buc for life
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:11 pm
It’s entertaining to see the keyboard warriors saying you need to have a franchise QB to win a Superbowl… and they keep saying BM is not a franchise QB, so the Bucs won’t win a game because of that… idiots…lol
Nick foles, Brad Johnson, Trent dilfer.
Yes, having a QB play for your team for many many years is great, Dan Marino, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll win a Superbowl.
Go Bucs and whoever is our QB in 2024
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:18 pm
Baker has zero to take less than the franchise tag. Zero None. Nada.
Dude has two playoff wins…look at how many QBs have that.
On top, threw for over 600 yards in his 2 playoffs games.
Look and see how many have done that.
Why would he take less than $35 per yr when everyone knows he can get more on the open market. LOL.
But but but he likes Tampa…but he likes money more. SMDH. Our fans are maroons.
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:45 pm
Toad Bowels … ‘Payton is used to coaching and finding ways for an undersized QB (Drew Brees) to thrive in his offense.’
Horsepuckey. Drew Brees made Sean Payton, not the other way around. Just like Tom Brady made Bill Belicheck, not the other way around.
In his 14 years with Drew Brees, Payton’s record was 143-81. In his 2 years without Drew Brees, Payton’s record is 17-17, with his offenses ranking #19 both years. Sounds a lot like Belicheck without Brady.
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:45 pm
“Whatever, the best part of Bake is he cranks it up in crunch time. Lamar, Dak, Herbert not so much. ”
Yeah the INT to start the game with momentum and one with 1:35 remaining and a chance to tie it was stepping it up.
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:45 pm
There has been recent success in drafting a QB and letting him sit behind someone to learn from. If the Bucs say they don’t think he is a long term answer by trying to low ball him, why wouldn’t he take a deal for more money for 2 years while he tutors a rookie? Either way the team is saying he is not the long term answer. Might as well go where the money is.
And for those who don’t think Baker can play well in the playoffs, you need to look again at his performance. Sorry for the repost of this but apparently some people missed it.
Of the 20 current NFL QBs with at least 2 post season starts:
YPG – Third ahead of Mahomes, Prescott, Allen and Rodgers, in that order.
TD% – Second ahead of Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Stafford, Prescott, Jackson.
Rate – 5th behind Mahomes, Stafford but ahead of Rodgers, Allen, Purdy, Wilson, Prescott, Goff, Hurts, Jackson
I think if the Bucs want to play games with him, saying his prove it season wasn’t good enough, he will sign elsewhere on a short term deal if no team wants to make a long term commitment.
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:47 pm
Mr inconsistent to Atlanta would be great for the bucs. The bucs would have a chance at consistency at the QB position and Atlanta would falter on offense. Mayfield without talent around is a disaster waiting to happen. He doesn’t care about the team he’s looking out for himself. He can look out for himself in Atlanta. Next QB up…………….
February 2nd, 2024 at 7:52 pm
@StickinUp4Centers said “Yeah the INT to start the game with momentum”
If you want to criticize Baker for the late game INT, no issues. But the first one was not on Baker. That was on ME popping the ball in the air off his hands. Let’s at least be fair here.
February 2nd, 2024 at 8:00 pm
Baker has ZERO reason to take a deal less than 4 years with a ton of guaranteed money. Let the Bucs tag him. He can ball out again and get $45 mill for 4 years after.
You fans that think he’s gonna take a 2 year deal with a team option for a third are absolutely nuts. He’s worth at minimum $35 mill per year for 3 years.
That’s a starting point. Anything less makes zero sense from Baker’s standpoint.
He’s not Brady with $300 mill in the bank. His family ripped him off. This is his one chance to get paid. I have no problem with him squeezing every last dime out of it.
February 2nd, 2024 at 8:39 pm
@DR, it’s interesting that you point out 17-17 as a poor record for Payton (without Brees). That’s the exact record Bowles has with the Bucs.
February 2nd, 2024 at 8:40 pm
Would like to see what happens to Russell Wilson this off-season. Think he might still have something left in the tank if the Bucs can’t sign Mayfield. If anyone expects Baker to take the next step, Jason better do something about the pathetic O line.
February 2nd, 2024 at 11:37 pm
Baker can get you a Super Bowl imo.. beef up the interior of the O line & get a SS that can cover, & pass rushers that can get home, & perhaps consistent play calling & this is a different team
February 3rd, 2024 at 12:24 am
I’d like to know who is actually placing bets here. Are the “Baker Haters” placing bets that he will lose? If I was betting, I wouldn’t bet for or against. I just root for Baker and the Bucs. I’d like to see some wagers by the die hards. I’m betting they aren’t betting either way. The way I see it, betting on Bake is a better bet
February 3rd, 2024 at 3:03 am
realistic-optimistic … Let me spell it out for you, because apparently connect the dots doesn’t work:
Brees & Brady were both the ultimate franchise QBs. The other QBs who played for Belicheck & Payton weren’t ultimate franchise QBs. None of the QBs who played for Bowles were the ultimate franchise QBs either. And before you ask, that includes the 45-year-old version of Tom Brady we saw in 2022.
February 3rd, 2024 at 3:31 am
Its funny
But after years of seeing his opinions, predictions,and assessments,
I’ve learned that Peter King is one of the most cluelessstupid fks on the planet.
Hes NEVER BEEN RIGHT about anything concerning the Bucs.
Or much else that hes said.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:26 am
realistic-optimistic Says:
@DR, it’s interesting that you point out 17-17 as a poor record for Payton (without Brees). That’s the exact record Bowles has with the Bucs.
Two things can be true:
1. Both Payton and Belicheck were a little more ordinary without their all time quarterbacks.
and
2. 17 and 17 is not a poor record, it is an average record.
Reading comprehension matters realistic-optimistic.
By the way, the post I copied was neither realistic nor optimistic.
What a poor choice for a name.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:43 am
The biggest factor for Baker is he took a team that expected to go nowhere and won the division and a first round playoff game. Who realistically expected that? NOBODY!!!! The Bucs were a patchwork of a few very good vets, some raw rookies that had talent, and a lot of blue collar lunch pail run of the mill just OK players. Well somehow they jelled into a pretty good scrappy contender (a description that fits Baker). So I think Baker’s true value is less about his athelitc ability and more about his leadership by example that won over his team mates and elevated their play. If the Bucs have a strong draft Baker is good enough to keep the team a contender. Not so sure about the coaches.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:44 am
Who won the Pro Bowl Skills Test, Baker haters? He just proved himself to be much more accurate than many who have been discussed as better that Baker in this comment column. Hate gets you nowhere. Believing in a guy who kept us in the season is the smart bet. I agree with Wyoming Joe.
February 3rd, 2024 at 7:57 am
Becky
Agree completely with you!
Having said that the “business” side of this sport is beginning to make me jaded.
I’m going to go all NFL Player. It’s just about the Benjamins.
Baker and ME13 are both HIGH priority resignings IMHO
However…the draft is loaded with WR’s 3 of the top six picks are projected to be WR’s. I’ve seen mocks that went 3 QB’s followed by 3 WR’s. This could hopefully depress Mike’s value. If he walks…I’ll miss him but I shall not fear the Bucs future.
I feel the same way about Baker. 3QB’s at the very top followed by several more should limit his value on the market somewhat. If Baker walks…same as ME. I’ll miss them both and their intense competitiveness.
There are other WR’s and one year with Trask…more if UF people are right…I honestly do not know…but One year with Trask with a cheap rental to back him up is OK. Fix the rest of the team and in ’25 we can give one of the partners here his wet dream and roll the dice on a top QB draft pick.
Perhaps we can LUCK out like John Lynch and waste 3 first rounders on a total wasted pick only to have the last pick in the draft save the Bucs bacon.
February 3rd, 2024 at 8:05 am
Bucs have a lot of flexibility with this move. I’m not the biggest fan but you’d be insane if you wouldn’t try to #RunItBack with the rapport he’s built within the locker room. Come on.
February 3rd, 2024 at 10:27 am
Which part of your comment do you think was a revelation for me? I didn’t argue either of those points. You’re throwing venom when we agree about something? Reading comprehension does indeed matter.
February 3rd, 2024 at 10:40 am
@DR:
Brees & Brady were both the ultimate franchise QBs.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
How do any of your remarks apply to my comment? Bowles is average. Why the venom? Did you and geno really get that triggered by a person being underwhelmed by Bowles? I’m pretty sure a lot of people are underwhelmed by Bowles.
February 3rd, 2024 at 1:16 pm
Rod munchkin says where the hell do u get u r # from Disney land everyone of those figures r ,are up bullshizz
February 3rd, 2024 at 2:38 pm
@DR, it’s interesting that you point out 17-17 as a poor record for Payton (without Brees). That’s the exact record Bowles has with the Bucs.
So I will explain it in a different way. Many trolls on posting attempt to switch narratives or make strawman comparisons today. It is a typical logical fallacy that you might agree happens a lot these days.
Here is what I saw.
The original point was about Sean Payton’s record without Drew Brees, suggesting he is not as successful without his star quarterback.
Your response shifted the focus to Todd Bowles’ identical 17-17 record with the Buccaneers. This change of the topic to critiquing Bowles rather than directly addressing Payton’s record average record without an all time quarterback
This is a clear switch the narrative approach.
Hope you can see the classical logical disconnect and shift in focus. I.E. Strawman technique.
Curious if you can point to your optimistic comments on this thread.
February 3rd, 2024 at 3:02 pm
@geno, I made no effort to refute DR’s statement. Nor did I replace his statement with something refutable. That wasn’t the point of my statement. Not a strawman, but I understand your confusion. My point was, if 17-17 is not impressive when referring to Payton, there’s no reason to consider it impressive when referring to Bowles.
February 3rd, 2024 at 10:06 pm
Baker showed desperate teams that he can wins – Atlanta & Denver are already fans – so this game could escalate beyond $35m per year. I think he takes the payday. He took a “prove it” contract and did.
Would you rather have Deshaun Watson or Daniel Jones?
Think those contracts reset the market?
Think what New Orleans would be thinking if Derek Carr delivered Baker Mayfield performance… still think Baker Mayfield is only worth $32.5m? That’s what New Orleans paid for Carr LAST year, and Carr is 4 years OLDER than Mayfield.
I think we just entered a zone where the rules are getting squishy.
They asked him to bet on himself, he did, and he won.
He “may” take a hometown deal…but he certainly has a LOOK about him that says he’s been on the fickle horse before…for less money, and he does t care what our cap constraints are…
Hardball. I still think he’s a Buc, but I think competition will increase the payday.
February 5th, 2024 at 4:12 pm
Make Jensen the O-line coach.