Double-Digit Sack Guy Is On The Market
February 12th, 2024
Eagles edge rusher Haason Reddick.
Cue the broken record. And Joe will continue to whine about this until something is done about it.
The Bucs need a pass rusher.
Oh, for four years (finally) the Bucs did not need a pass rusher. Those days are over.
Joe has been typing and banging on his keyboard for damn near as long as this site has existed –15+ years — that the Bucs need an edge rusher.
Jason Pierre-Paul is long gone. Bucs sacks king Shaq Barrett looks washed out, and here we are again.
The Bucs drafted YaYa Diaby last year and he looked like a total steal. When he was finally named a starter late in November, it seemed teams started to figure him out.
Diaby had 2.5 sacks in his last seven games, all starts. He finished with 7.5.
The only good thing Joe can say about Joe Tryon-Shoyinka as a pass rusher is that he is better than Cam Jordan. Other than that, JTS is nearly invisible.
Then there is Barrett. Joe loves Shaq to death but dang the Bucs need something more. Shaq had 4.5 sacks last year, just one in his last five games.
The Bucs simply must get more production from their edge rushers.
Well, potential help should be hitting the market. Yesterday, NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport noted that Eagles edge rusher Haason Reddick has been granted permission from the team to seek a trade.
Reddick, a former first round pick of the Cardinals, has had double-digit sacks as an outside linebacker each of the last four seasons.
That’s a proven track record.
If Diaby turns into anything, with Reddick playing opposite him, that would be cooking with gas.
Sure, getting Reddick, will be a pricey. He’s getting an average of $15 million a year, per Spotrac.com. Shaq is getting paid $17 million a year.
As much as it pains Joe, you can see which player gets more bang for the Bucs.
Absolutely the Bucs should explore a trade for Reddick. The Bucs simply must have a better pass rush if they hope to advance past the divisional playoffs.
Sources: #Eagles All-Pro edge rusher Haason Reddick has received permission to seek a trade following another disruptive season featuring double digit sacks. The 29-year old with 27 sacks over two seasons in Philly could land elsewhere. pic.twitter.com/WxIGTac24M
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 11, 2024
(Hat tip: @Nate_Pannu.)
February 12th, 2024 at 4:18 am
I wont hold my breath
February 12th, 2024 at 4:50 am
That would be awesome
February 12th, 2024 at 5:38 am
Can we offer JTS and Trask? Win win as we get the player and rid our forum of the source of so much hate and drama (yes this was sarcasm)
February 12th, 2024 at 5:45 am
Man, you really do get into comment purgatory if you type the name of the back up QB
February 12th, 2024 at 5:58 am
Reddick would be great. Unfortunately it probably won’t be to the Bucs.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:04 am
I think Bowles knows Reddick from their Arizona Cardinals days. Philly would probably trade him to an AFC team, if I had to guess.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:07 am
Love to get him, but we don’t have the salary cap money. Have to sign Mayfield, Evans, Winfield, and David, and even that will be a tall task. There simply isn’t any money left over to squeeze him in under the cap. Now 2026, perhaps…..
February 12th, 2024 at 6:09 am
Cut Shaq, Gage, and take Jensen’s salary off the books and even then resigning our people will be hard. It ain’t gonna happen. Best bet is to get a rusher in the draft, such as Jared Verse.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:10 am
Trade Carlton Davis and some of those timeouts Bowles saved throughout the season.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:20 am
Reddick only has 1 year left on his contract. Spotrac also shows there’s dead cap money to the tune of 13mil in ‘25 and 8mil in ‘26. Does the trading team absorb that too, or would the Eagles retain those cap charges?
If you want to talk about a pass rusher on the market, Josh Allen from the jags is a FA, if he doesn’t get resigned in another month.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:22 am
Obviously Reddick would be a nice add, but I’d rather have Carolina’s Brian Burns (who’s also an FA this year). Reddick is 29; Burns is 25. Reddick is 6’1″ & 240 lbs; Burns is 6’5″ & 250 lbs. Reddick has only missed 1 game in 7 years; Burns has only missed 3 games in 5 years.
More importantly though, Reddick has averaged 8 sacks, 14 QB Hits & 10 TFLs per year, while Burns has averaged 9 sacks, 19 QB Hits & 12 TFLs per year.
They’ll probably both cost about the same. Rather have Burns based on age and slightly better performance.
February 12th, 2024 at 6:39 am
Would be a good move, Buc’s desperately need at least one proven edge rusher!
February 12th, 2024 at 6:55 am
Bring in 2024 HOF Dwight Freeney to work one on one with Calijsh Kancey. Put him at DE n teach him the spin move n other techniques of a DE his size. Freeney was at the threshold of 6’1 n weighed under 270 but played bigger than a player his size. He said his coaches told him whatever you do just get to the qb so he was determined to used strategy’s with spin moves to get to the qb. Let’s draft a natural DT to compliment VV n moved Kancey to end.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:18 am
Its about the benjamins Joe.
He will be looking for more than Shaqs paltry pay grade.
In Jason I trust. See JPP and Shaq Joe.
We are not out of the woods with our salary cap and every Couch potato GM here thinks we can just go out and buy a new center, guard, and edge rusher. The good ones get premium dollar and good teams don’t let them get away in their prime unless there is a reason. See tree humper…
Go Bucs!
February 12th, 2024 at 7:23 am
I really hope the Bucs sign an edge rusher. They have had no success with drafting edge rushers Their best edge rushers over the pass 10 to 15 years were sign as free agents, S Rice, P Paul. So please, please Bucs, trade for or sign a free agent edge rusher
February 12th, 2024 at 7:25 am
Disagree.
You’re only as good as your second best pass rusher, unless you have someone elite like Bosa, Watt, Hutchinson, Donald, etc. Just like Shaq would get shutdown if JPP or Suh were out of the lineup.
Money spent on a guy way better than Diaby is money wasted. You just need someone as good or slightly better, but not worth breaking the bank over.
Great but not elite players on the line don’t do any better than the good ones but you’ve spent a fortune for them.
Perhaps it’s worth considering also whether the 3-4 is really the right defense to run these days. Both Super Bowl teams I believe run a 4-3, Detroit runs a 4-2-5.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:28 am
To the point of this article…and it was broadcasted throughout the Super Bowl in the first half of the game, was the 49ers effectiveness to pressure with 4. You want to beat the best, you can’t bring 5-6 guys every time to generate pressure, you need to be able to press with 4-man fronts on defense. That is exactly how we won our super bowl in 2020.
Lynch absolutely loaded up that 49ers defense, and as stifling as our def was against Mahomes in the Super Bowl, at least in the first half, I’ve never seen Mahomes look more human early on. So close to shutting them out in the first half. 49ers went away from the run early and couldn’t capitalize even when the Chiefs stumbled out of the gate to start the 2nd half, and that was difference. Really really good game last night.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:39 am
doesnt seem like a move that jason licht would make?
February 12th, 2024 at 7:39 am
I don’t know that we will have the space to sign him. So he will cost us premium draft picks and a chunk of our salary cap.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:51 am
If they can trade Shaq for him do it!
remeber this lesson on throwing dollars @ Shaq while you think of signing BM and ME…..
February 12th, 2024 at 7:53 am
DMATT,
Yes, this draft is deeper in DTs then Edge.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:31 am
In his pregame interview Andy Reid said the Chiefs success would rest on the performance of the line on both sides of the ball! Yep build the trenches and even though the Bucs need OLB’s for their rush the concept is the same.
Yes by all means get another edge rusher but not in this trade. The guy may be worth it but….just like people in hell want ice water…people in cap hell can’t get that ice water from an expensive FA.
All the yammering about the advantage of getting a QB in the draft for the few years of salary protection…same thing is true for edge rusher which are also a very valuable commodity.
JL will work all of this out. I trust him.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:42 am
A second?
February 12th, 2024 at 8:52 am
Beej
Are you asking about an edge rusher in the 2nd? I do not know. Just looking at things I hope the Bucs go either Edge rusher in the first, OL in the second and RB in the 3rd…however I also would switch any of those picks with the other based on BPA the positions and availability.
So again since I’m not really qualified anyway I trust the professionals at OBP.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:59 am
No, I was pondering trading a second for Reddick, doubt a third would be accepted. Otoh, Iggles need secondary help badly. Could trade CD3, (which gets rid of that $15 million of cap discs) and mebbe a 5th or something. I expect McCallum is ready
February 12th, 2024 at 9:01 am
The Bucs will only be better next year if their pass rush improves.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:02 am
usfbuc … ‘I don’t know that we will have the space to sign him. So he will cost us premium draft picks and a chunk of our salary cap.’
Trading for Reddick would be cost-prohibitive IMO. Carolina’s Brian Burns is a UFA now; would rather have him than Reddick (4 years younger with even better stats).
The salary CAP has done its job: level the playing field. Nonetheless, teams create ‘windows of opportunity’ by mortgaging the future (like we did in 2020 & 2021?). 49ers & Chiefs have just done the same thing far as I can tell. They’re both OK in 2024, but 2025 & beyond will be a nightmare for them. Chiefs took a different approach & it’s fascinating. They went REAL BIG betting on Mahomes, but much less on everyone else (result: very few VOID YEAR contracts, but more than likely a LOT of personnel turnover). For instance, the TOTAL 2023 CAP Hits for Donnie Smith, Mike Edwards, Blaine Gabbert AND Justin Watson only came to $8.0 mil … and nothing carried forward (no VOID YEARS).
It looks like the whole key for creating that ‘window’ is to build around several superstars. They’ll be the expensive pieces, but they’d better play like superstars. If they don’t, or if they end up with poor ‘availability’ (Jensen, Davis, Shaq?) you’ll end up as a middle-of-the-pack team at best it appears.
Players like Reddick & Burns are worth the cost (and risk) IMO because of their track record of PERFORMANCE AND AVAILABILITY. Reddick missed 1 game in 7 years; Burns has missed 3 games in 5 years. Philly & Carolina have a leg-up though on us because they can franchise tag them if they choose to, but those are expensive tags ($23.3 mil in the DE/OLB case).
February 12th, 2024 at 9:21 am
Licht has swung and missed on drafting edge rushers/d linemen. This makes a lot of sense but will not happen
February 12th, 2024 at 9:29 am
If this team goes in the direction everyone says they will we won’t even be able to keep our own good players. There won’t be an upgrade of talent. The bucs are going to lose players. Unless they go all in on Mayfield and mortgage the future alla Brady. I just can’t see that with an average QB.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:45 am
With our salary cap situation this team needs to be built primarily through the draft (and developing those players) and Jason Licht is doing a really good job with that. If we were just a couple of great players away from contending for a Super Bowl I’d say do whatever it takes to bring this guy in. Our priority right now IMO though is not to lose the great players we already have, like Evans, Winfield, Wirfs, etc. After signing a QB (I presume Baker) and our other free agents we’ll have a better idea as to how much we’ll have left to go after guys like Reddick.
February 12th, 2024 at 9:51 am
If we want an experienced edge player,we probably need to trade rather than get a FA because of cap space??? Who do we trade away? Godwin? Dean?
February 12th, 2024 at 10:21 am
Would love to see it happen but how are they going to make it work cap wise with the pending “must sign” players we have? And what is the compensation to Eagles? So in other words, it is not happening.
February 12th, 2024 at 10:39 am
if we are able to resign Mclaughlin, Winfield, Evans, and Mayfield do we still have enough cap room for a player like this?
February 12th, 2024 at 11:27 am
No! He wants a salary upgrade and he’s old.
No thanks.
We have no money
February 12th, 2024 at 11:27 am
Bucs are paying Shaq, Carlton Davis, Dean, Godwin and a few others large contracts but are getting little production out of those players need to get Licht to stop being so dedicated to his draft picks and to sign guys who deserve it.
February 12th, 2024 at 11:55 am
Hard no.
Reddick is a “We have Tom Brady and all the other pieces let’s sign them all and put it on credit” kind of move. That’s not where we are. We’re still building. If we can find an edge in the draft, that’s the way to go. That and signing another undervalued edge from another team like Barrett was.
But definitely no to trading picks and paying $15M/year.
February 12th, 2024 at 12:16 pm
I don’t see how you afford that guy when you’re gonna pay Evans, Mayfield, Winfield, David, McLaughlin, Wirfs, and maybe an interior OL. We’ve got a bunch of young Edge guys, and if you can project bigger things for YaYa and rising Markees Watts, you might just roll with them. But if you can fit Reddick in, I still wouldn’t give up more than a 4th rounder for him. I mean, he’s 29, and could be in the same downturn as Shaq in 2 years. We have so many holes to fill, I can’t see just throwing draft picks at players who are already hitting 30.
February 12th, 2024 at 12:54 pm
38 Tackles, 11 Sacks, and 1 Forced Fumble in a full season on a Defense ranked 31st is as impressive as 4000 Passing yards on an Offense Rank 20th.
Leave him in Philly.
February 12th, 2024 at 12:56 pm
After signing Evans, Winfield, Mayfield, David, and McLaughlin, where is the cheese gonna come from?
February 12th, 2024 at 1:47 pm
3rd round pick and Shaq for Reddick.
February 12th, 2024 at 2:00 pm
Not in favor of trading for him…but I am in favor of putting Shaq Barrett on the market for a trade. JTS also.
Shaq Barrett might have one good year left in him, but that’s a big if and no idea when.
February 12th, 2024 at 2:43 pm
People wouldn’t give up a cheeseburger for JTS.
February 12th, 2024 at 2:55 pm
Trading for someone requires actually GIVING UP something of value in this case.
Like Dean or Davis or dare I say Godwin.
The problem with Godwin would be 2 things IMO
1. Coen already said he envisions Godwin having a big year in the slot.
Cooper is good don’t get me wrong, but he is a product of the McVay system more. Godwin will basically be running those routes.
2. Most good WRs Break Out in year 3, and this will be year 3 AFTER his surgery, where he has learned how to play on it again.
Still though I think someone like Keon Coleman is an easier find at pick 26 than an OLB who will produce.
We already have several CBs on the team too who can drop interceptions when thrown right to them.
February 12th, 2024 at 3:35 pm
I’d love either Reddick or Burns. I think we’re in dire need of an edge rusher. I always think what Simeon Rice or JPP did for us immediately. Problem is Shaqs salary. Aren’t we stuck with most of his salary whether we cut him or not?
February 12th, 2024 at 3:37 pm
Sign Chase Young!
February 12th, 2024 at 3:55 pm
Trade valuable draft picks AND pay $15M+??? No Thanks
Either sign a free agent or use a high draft pick for pass rush help.
BTW – Barrett’s cap hit this year is $14.1M – but his DEAD cap hit if released is $26.6M. So thats not happening.
Bucs will still owe $17.4M against the cap for Barrett next year after his contract runs out due to all the dummy years they added and $ pushed forward via Shaq’s contract…
I’m pretty sure the Bucs will prefer to pay Shaq the extra $5M total in order to have his services in 2024 and to defer the extra $12M against the cap it would cost to cut him this year.
February 12th, 2024 at 4:46 pm
darengibo Says:
February 12th, 2024 at 5:38 am
Can we offer JTS and Trask?
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I’m mortified that you would say such a thing!!!! How could you??
February 12th, 2024 at 4:57 pm
@DR – great point and I agree I would rather have Burns… though as an UFA, he may cost more in annual salary vs Reddick. But of course with Reddick we have to trade something vs. simply signing him…
Would LOVE to get either guy though.
February 12th, 2024 at 7:45 pm
I said the Bucs should have went after him wheb he was on the Cardinals and had a decent season. Been saying this forevee that he is basically Barrett 2.0 or bettee should have picked him up long ago! Now the proce is higher. Mack might be a better option given that he is a FA and one wouldnt have to trade for him.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:00 pm
#ThrowBack Repost
Joebucsfan Archives: Finding An Edge Rush (March 16th, 2017)
LUVMYBUCS says:
March 16th, 2017 at 6:07 pm
The fact that Hassan Reddick is a former safety is very intriguing, especially when you take into account how he has excelled at both the Leo and Mike positions.
He is a rare talent. One minute he reminds you of Von Miller at Texas A&M, and his downfield thumper is reminiscent of Lavonte David at Nebraska. On the other hand, his coverage skills over the tight end remind you of K.J. Wright during his time at Mississippi State.
I don’t see how this kid would ever come off the field. There are so many ways you could utilize his many talents. Like I said, he’s a rare breed.
Don’t get me wrong—I would still go with Evan Engram in the 1st round because of the matchup nightmare he brings to the offense. However, if Licht drafted Reddick at 19, I wouldn’t be the least bit upset.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:10 pm
Trade Proposal: Hasson Reddick
• Trade involves: 2025 3rd-round pick and a conditional 5th-round pick in 2026.
• Conditions: If specific benchmarks are met, the 5th-round pick converts into a 4th-round pick.
• Contract Restructuring: Explore restructuring the player’s contract as part of the deal.
• Objective: Allocate more bonus money upfront to provide the Buccaneers with increased cap relief.
February 12th, 2024 at 8:23 pm
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