Laughing At Joe Tryon-Shoyinka’s Expense
November 26th, 2023
It’s incredibly rare to hear Buccaneers legend Derrick Brooks criticize current players.
Brooks focuses on the positive in public forums. So it was eye-opening to Joe to hear Brooks struggle to praise Bucs edge rusher Joe Tryon-Shoyinka’s game last week.
In fact, Brooks appeared to wave a white flag at the prospect of being pushed into saying positive things about the third-year player and former first-round draft pick.
On his Brooks and Beckles podcast, Brooks’ friend and former Bucs teammate Ian Beckles demanded Brooks answer one simple question about Tryon-Shoyinka.
“What does he do well?” Beckles asked.
“Effort,” Brooks replied as a one-word answer.
Beckles laughed, and then Brooks was heard laughing hysterically.
“He’s developing. The glass is half-full. Glass half-full (laughs),” Brooks said. “The glass is half-full.” (Laughs) I’m not giving up on him.”
Beckles accused the Hall of Famer of being patient with Tryon-Shoyinka because Tryon-Shoyinka isn’t his teammate. “You got patience because you ain’t out there,” he barked.
“I think he can play, I just, probably [he needs] a little bit longer. Some guys are later developers than others,” Brooks said of JTS. Brooks sounded sarcastic but Joe can’t be sure.
Brooks pointed to Bucs sacks king Shaq Barrett as being a guy who needed time to develop. Joe would counter by telling Brooks that Shaq made a huge splash in Denver as an undrafted rookie edge rusher playing part-time (5 1/2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 4 passes defensed) and then he was playing behind star pass rushers. JTS can’t make that claim as a first-round draft pick.
Joe felt compelled to share. That’s what it’s come down to for JTS; Derrick Brooks laughing.
November 26th, 2023 at 4:24 am
You either have it, or you don’t. JTS doesn’t have it. Him like Devin White maybe need to be used different. I’d try something, I’ve given up on both of them.
November 26th, 2023 at 4:31 am
Just relooked at the 2021 NFL draft. Came to the conclusion that it was probably the weakest draft for DE/OLBs in the history of the NFL. Well into the 3rd year now, there’s a marked lack of production literally across the board. There were only 6 DE/OLBs taken in the first 3 Rnds (out of 105 players drafted):
o Rnd 1 (#28) Payton Turner (Saints): 3 sacks total
o Rnd 1 (#31) Odafe Oweh (Ravens): 12 sacks total
o Rnd 1 (#32) Joe Tryon-Shoyinka (Bucs): 11 sacks total
o Rnd 2 (#50) Azeez Ojulari (Giants): 13.5 sacks total
o Rnd 3 (#79) Malcolm Koonce (Raiders): 4 sacks total
o Rnd 3 (#96) Ronnie Perkins (Patriots): 0 sacks (released; picked up by Broncos in 2023).
So in 44 games, those 6 players have a TOTAL of 43.5 sacks. That averages out to 1 sack per game for the 6 of them TOGETHER. Not exactly a strong class?
November 26th, 2023 at 5:34 am
God I’m so sick of all of our draft picks needing to develop (or change positions 🙄). It’s not like we only have picks in the fourth round or later. Can’t we just draft some studs that are ready to play right away? Just another thing that other teams make look easy while we ride the struggle bus.
November 26th, 2023 at 5:45 am
I watch this guy do nothing but run in place as OL’s aren’t required to work hard blocking him. He’s a soft target n it has resonated throughout the league. I give him credit for effort but let’s be real,that’s all he brings, the nfl is way above his level. He looks like a fish on dry land. Think of it like this, a big brother with his fist planted solid on the forehead of his little brother, n the little brother gives his all to no avail as he repeatedly stands in place to swing at his big brother but he’s hitting nothing but air, never making no more than eye contact to his big brother. I’ve seen enough of JTS. 2 1/2 years of tapes don’t lie. Let’s quit worrying about hurting his feelings n do a good riddance, he has options, practice squad, Canadian league or Arena football.
November 26th, 2023 at 6:06 am
Good research Defense Rules. Good point.
November 26th, 2023 at 6:26 am
I remember at a meeting where my colleagues and I were deciding the future of a young protege. The best thing we could say about the guy was that he was punctual, a “hard worker” and put in a lot of “effort”. He did not make it past the probational period in his contract and was cut loose. Why can’t Licht do this with some of the busts he drafts. Does he give his picks points for “trying real dang hard”??????? Even more maddening, why does the coaching staff keep giving the guy reps when he is not getting it done?????? The Bucs have YaYa on the bench, play him, sit JTS, maybe, just maybe he will get the message, if not, cut the slug loose!
November 26th, 2023 at 7:02 am
Tank and clean house!
Let’s get our QB in the top 5 of the draft. We don’t need another loss decade. No more band aids as we did that decade with Head Coaches like Bowles. I said HEAD COACHES not DC.
Let’s Go Tank!!!!!
November 26th, 2023 at 7:08 am
Still waiting for Shoyinka to tear someone a new one, but it just aint happening.
November 26th, 2023 at 7:10 am
Derrick always tries to take the high road and it was difficult in this case. I guess waiting 5 years to see if a player gets better is the standard for this team.
November 26th, 2023 at 7:42 am
Last time we had the number 1 pick- how did that work out? Tanking is for continual losing teams. Mayfield is better than average. Let’s put it together. So far when the offense puts up points the defense gives up points and vice versa. No excuses today. Let’s go!!!
November 26th, 2023 at 7:58 am
Thisisouryear – actually the teams that consistently lose year in and year out don’t have franchise QBs. The Bengals and Chiefs sucked for over a decade. They took early picks in the draft and how has that worked out. One team wins a SB every other year and the other has made it to the SB and AFC championship games the last two years. Teams with QBs like Cousins and Carr are lucky if they break 500 and are one and done if they are lucky enough to make the playoffs.
November 26th, 2023 at 8:19 am
He played better when he had one last name!
November 26th, 2023 at 8:26 am
ShakeandBaker: how did tanking for a top QB workout for the Bucs and Titans with Winston and Mariota? This year, yeah. Stroud looks like a home run (for now) but the Colts and Panthers look like they missed the mark, especially the Panthers as they sold what might be this year’s #1 (unless they beat the Bucs but still a top 5) to Da Bears who thought they had a franchise QB as well wh even if he carves up the Bucs will be labeled a bust.
ShakeandBaker: I understand your logic but remember it is still a dice roll with a likely chance you will fail rather than succeed as there are more Mariotas, Winstons, Cryin’ Leifs, etc than bonafide top notch QBs picked in the top 3 to 5 of the draft. You cannot count lucky draws like Brees, Brady, and others not even picked in the first round so the odds are against hitting the qb lottery. Thus tanking for a lottery pick is a below average move given the Bucs’ management and their past history.
November 26th, 2023 at 8:28 am
Mayfield is the second best QB this franchise has ever had since 1976. Williams was good but highly inaccurate imo. The goat was the best naturally. The Bucs were lucky to get mayfield, and they will be luckier to retain him. JTS is what he is. Average. Great players are few and far between, and they don’t grow on trees.
November 26th, 2023 at 8:37 am
JTS stat column from last week’s game (34 snaps, or 57% of defensive plays):
0 tackles
0 sacks
0 passes defended
0 qb hits
Ya Ya’s stat column from last week: (21 snaps, or 35% of defensive plays):
4 tackles
2 sacks
0 passes defended
2 qb hits
Wtf ??!??!!!??
November 26th, 2023 at 9:00 am
The 49ers broadcast team were laughing there butts off at him also. Over and over pointing him out. It was embarrassing. He was pretty much the only player to get mentioned negatively many many times. He’s horrendous
November 26th, 2023 at 9:09 am
Bring back the lawn chairs
Mayfield is the second best QB this franchise has ever had since 1976
It’s a little too early to be sh!t faced drunk don’t you think or was that a bad attempt at sarcasm. DW the guy in the ring of honor is second to Baker. Doug Williams seemed accurate enough to get us to the nfc championship?
November 26th, 2023 at 9:17 am
It’s coaching malpractice for JTS to be playing over Ya Ya.
November 26th, 2023 at 9:22 am
“Let’s tank”… interesting concept. Who is going to promote tanking? The HC surely isn’t. His job is on the line. The GM won’t promote tanking as his job and career is on the line. The owners won’t either. So, who will tank? Don’t say the players as their short career will get ruined. So, no one but fans promote tanking. Interesting, but a failed concept. Won’t happen.
November 26th, 2023 at 9:47 am
Don’t mess with Doug Williams! That’s the toughest S.O.B. I’ve ever seen! He was good enough to lead the Redskins to the Super Bowl after Culverhouse was stupid enough to let him go. BTW he was MVP of that Super Bowl as well.
I wish we had someone of his talent on our team now!
November 26th, 2023 at 10:26 am
” JTS is what he is. Average.”…Lawn Chair
Maybe he is average – -for this year’s Bucs. He isn’t average at at anything I have seen other than complete busts. He isn’t even average at that. He is worse than the average bust.
November 26th, 2023 at 10:32 am
Another totally wasted 1st Rd pick by Jason Licht.
Without the Brady years, Licht is one of the worst GMs in the league.
November 26th, 2023 at 10:42 am
Good, smart coaches put their players in the best position to thrive. Regardless of where they were picked in the draft or what position they are “supposed to play”. Devin White is a very good pass rusher yet is rarely used that way. Just because we drafted R. White as a running back there’s no reason he can’t change positions to become a very good slot receiver, especially if we were to draft a stud RB. “Fans” would scream for him to be traded or cut if we draft the next Jim Brown but why do that when White would still be valuable as a WR?
It might sting White’s pride to be told he can’t cut it as a RB1, but he’d get over it quick by virtue of more $$$ and a longer career as a slot receiver.
Taysom Hill was drafted as a QB. Cordarrelle Patterson was drafted as a WR. Both are now very successful in different positions and as “Swiss Army knife” types. Julian Edelman was a QB in college. Not sure how the Patriots envisioned using him when he was drafted but he became a decent kick returner before getting a shot at WR.
JTS has tremendous athletic ability. He may not have the instincts to be what he was drafted to be. Players with his size and speed get “pigeonholed” by coaches at a young age and told what position they should play. He may be a bench player for life. He may thrive on ST. Can he switch to offense? Would he be a good blocking TE for example? “A mind is a terrible thing to waste” and so is the kind of athletic ability that JTS has.
He may never become a true NFL-caliber player befitting of his natural abilities and changing positions isn’t an easy task at all. With everything that the Bucs have invested in him, it may be time to either part ways or get creative. If he’s let go, he won’t be unemployed for long.
Just remember, a few years back we drafted OJ Howard when TJ Watt was still on the board so let’s not get too carried away with the thought of next year’s draft.
November 26th, 2023 at 10:54 am
While Williams was the QB that got us into the championship game against the rams, long ago; our Defense was always Bucs signature until the goat showed up.
And Williams was as tough as they come. Just ask Jack Youngblood, and when Doug played with a broken jaw. That’s not seen in todays NFL. No disrespect to Williams, I loved his heart. That man had a huge heart.
If the Bucs get to keep mayfield for 4 years or so I think he’ll shine imo. I’ve seen enough already. Then we can compare.
November 26th, 2023 at 12:03 pm
JTS is worse than Nassib. Enough of the development talk. He is who he is.
November 26th, 2023 at 12:18 pm
Tend to agree.
November 26th, 2023 at 12:29 pm
Maybe we can try him at running back?
November 26th, 2023 at 12:53 pm
DEs are a lot like drafting QBs even the high draft picks don’t always pan out. It happens every year. Dude was a freak athlete at the time he prob looked like a good pick. Deff would keep him and keep developing him but would do it behind YAYA and other players who produce. Some players do develop at a much slower rate than others gene smith took like 7 or 8 years. Just 1 example. But most people don’t have patience in this give it to me now culture we live in