Ian Beckles: What You Think Of Baker Mayfield Is Probably Accurate
November 18th, 2023
Yes, the Bucs have a 4-5 record. Yes, the Bucs have problems.
When former Bucs guard and popular local sports radio personality Ian Beckles looks at the team, he finds worse afflicting the roster than Bucs quarterback Baker Mayfield.
That’s what Beckles explained on his podcast “In the Trenches” in the wake of the Bucs beating the Titans last Sunday.
“If you say he sucks you are right. If you say he is great you are right,” Beckles said of Mayfield. “If you say he is good you are right. If you say — I don’t know if there is a wrong answer, I really don’t.
“Because Baker Mayfield shows you a little of everything in every single game. Every single game he will make you say, ‘That’s why he’s not the guy.’ He will also do something where you will say ‘[Geez], look at that!’ or ‘This guy is making us look better.’ Or ‘He can’t make those long throws.’
“See how that just goes and up down? That’s how his game goes. Up and down.”
Beckles said the Bucs are like that as a team.
“At the end of it, we are just good enough to beat the teams that we beat,” Beckles said. “We’re a team that won one out of five games. That’s all we are right now.”
Other Beckles’ tidbits:
Beckles is a huge, huge Mike Evans fan but believes Father Time has started his black magic on the Bucs’ star receiver. Beckles was shocked that Evans confessed he dropped a can of corn touchdown because he was thinking of what fan to give the ball too.
“God bless him for his honesty,” Beckles said. “I think he was being as honest as he could.”
On Carlton Davis: “Carlton Davis was out. That is not a great look. We looked good yesterday in the defensive backfield for the most part.”
On Antoine Winfield: “He was everywhere. He is around the football all the time. I think it is a beautiful thing.”
On Cody Mauch: “Couple of times [Titans stud defensive tackle Jeffery] Simmons overpowered [Cody] Mauch. That’s what happens people. He’s a rookie. That’s going to happen.”
On the Bucs offense: “This team never comes out of the blocks offensively. That’s game-planning. That’s on [Bucs offensive coordinator Dave] Canales. We don’t scare [anybody] coming out of the tunnel. … That puts a lot of pressure on the defense.”
On the Bucs defense: “I still see them having troubles lining up defensively.” (Beckles then cited Joe Tryon-Shoyinka being flagged for being offsides). You are halfway through the frickin’ season and you’re still having problems lining up defensively?”
Beckles believes the Bucs could have had six picks against Tennessee. In particular, Beckles liked how the Bucs snapped an 0-4 streak against rookie quarterbacks and had Tennessee QB Will Levis rattled.
“That looked like an old-school Bucs defense against a rookie quarterback,” Beckles said.
On Jamel Dean: “Boy, if Dean was on the freaking market, Dean would get paid, I’ll tell you right now. A big lockdown corner? He will get paid. Guaranteed. You better keep Jamel Dean.”
Beckles believes overall, the Bucs are a tease.
“The Bucs are good enough you don’t want to give up on,” Beckles said. “And bad enough where you go, ‘Well, that ain’t gonna work.'”
On Kyle Trask: “If Kyle Trask was a seventh-round pick from Indiana, no one would be saying his name. But because he is a high draft pick from the University of Florida, that’s why we are hearing his name. That’s all. There is no other reason to be mentioning Kyle Trask’s name any more. I’m being serious about that.”
Beckles doesn’t believe it’s fair to complain about Canales: “He’s a rookie. He’s learning. I bet Bill Walsh didn’t have nine good games when he first started calling plays.”
Consider Beckles to be in the camp advocating Bucs coach Todd Bowles remain as head coach in 2024. “What kind of coach do you think we’re going to get in here right now in this situation?” Beckles asked. “I don’t know if this place is all that appealing [right now].”
The play of the game for Beckles? Simple, old offensive linemen love when linemen get to do something other than block. So he loved Tristan Wirfs’ dragging a Tennessee defender some five yards on a fumble recovery.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:12 am
Mayfield is an average Bear. He plays on an average fair to middlin team. They will beat the spread on Sunday with another one of Bowles great losses.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:29 am
Considering that he’s been saddled with a bad HC, rookie OC, no running game, shaky Oline, bad defense and lots of drops by his WRs, I’d say Baker has exceeded expectations.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:36 am
Yup
November 18th, 2023 at 8:37 am
I just can’t see Baker as more than middling. A four year contract would look just like we see now, continual years of 8-9 or 9-8.
Year four might be even worse, if Baker loses whatever motivates him now. Deja Vu all over again with the Cleveland team that drafted him.
The rest of the team can only do what the coaches coach them up to. I am not sure Hot Toddie can even keep them focused, much less make them better.
Canales himself is a work in progress, just like the team he is coaching. There is no way he can keep Baker between the lines he is drawing.
Beckles is making more sense every week.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:41 am
Hmm. How many wins would Mahomes get with this team?
November 18th, 2023 at 8:49 am
Is it just me, or does Mayfield remind you of Jeff Garcia? Just wanted to throw that out there.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:56 am
The OLine is built with reinforced steel at Tackle and particle board at C and G
That is all
November 18th, 2023 at 8:57 am
Oops wrong post
Baker is Steve Deberg
That is all
November 18th, 2023 at 8:57 am
Ian Beckle and Shaun King….the one-a and one-b of former Buc wannabes.
Come on man!
Go Bucs!
November 18th, 2023 at 9:01 am
Mayfields great. 2nd best qb in bucs history already. Did you notice how many touchdowns the bucs D gave up last week minus carlton davis? Therein lies a huge part of the problem. Addition
by subtraction.
Everyone needs to remember there is only 1 tom brady, and we aint gettin him back. Get over it. So 2nd place is no disgrace! Go bucs, go baker mayfield.
November 18th, 2023 at 9:11 am
Maybe more people would be saying good things about Mayfield if we had a running game. We could’ve won two or even three more games.
November 18th, 2023 at 9:12 am
Let’s be fair, the secondary was missing Neal in addition to CDIII being out
November 18th, 2023 at 9:14 am
Captain Obvious strikes again. Ian is a master at blathering on and saying nothing more than what most posters on JBF have already said weeks ago
November 18th, 2023 at 9:16 am
Fair analysis from Beckles. Usually I find a point or two to push back on, sometimes strongly. But he was fair here. I think it may be trending toward us letting Davis go next year and eating part of his contract. Lots of meaningful decisions to make after the season, a season in which we’re almost certainly not winning the super bowl. But then again neither is most of the rest of the league. We need to find a vision and re-fortify.
November 18th, 2023 at 9:23 am
Here’s the headline: Kyle Trask was a seventh-round pick from Indiana, no one would be saying his name. But because he is a high draft pick from the University of Florida, that’s why we are hearing his name. That’s all. There is no other reason to be mentioning Kyle Trask’s name any more. I’m being serious about that.”
November 18th, 2023 at 9:25 am
Re: Mayfield
I wanted to hate the guy & I still would like a clear look at Trask in a “real” game. However, I cannot deny that Baker has exceed all of my expectations and has been refreshing to watch following Brady’s paycheck-cringing-fall to the ground-dirt passing year last year. Before you Brady sycophants get your panties all knotted up, I am not comparing their careers, just 2022 vs 2023. Both were shackled by a gutless HC and lost OCs, but at least Baker never quits on a play (sometimes to a fault) while Brady quit in preseason and never really showed any fire last year except when hurling tablets and pointing his finger at teammates
November 18th, 2023 at 9:26 am
I’m afraid Beckles is right about everything. Except Dave Canales. This offense is mostly his fault. Easy things he can do to make us better….he doesn’t.
Why is Cade Otton on the field nearly 100% of the time? His personnel groupings leave much to be desired. I’m 100% sure that Rakim Jarrett is a better option on 3rd and long than Otton.
No easy throws. Under Brady last season we had to witness 5-10 smokescreens a game. That was overkill. Teams backed off coverage to try and bait Brady into audibling into a smokescreen and he often did. Now we’ve thrown maybe 5-10 the entire season and they’re not designed as well either.
Play design leaves much to be desired. There’s few bunch sets to provide rubs and picks and overloads, instead, most passing sets come from a true spread look. There’s also very little motion to tip the offense what coverage the D is in.
Screen game is nearly non-existent. We ran one last week. What happened?
What happened to all the play-action pass chatter from weeks one and two? Playaction from a tight formation is a great way to get players out in space on the perimeter but we don’t do it.
Where are the perimeter runs? Weve seen so few, whether they are pitches or sweeps, or even jet sweeps, we don’t force the D to defend the perimeter which makes it easier to defend the runs up the middle.
We’ve yet to run a draw play. Considering White’s running style, he is perfectly suited to.run draw plays and I’ve yet to see one. But we’ll try to pound him.between the tackles constantly.
Dave Canales is the problem. This is his mess. Leftwich took all the blame last season despite Brady being the one that audibled to smokescreens constantly, checked down prematurely, and refused to push the ball down the field. This is Canales. His offense and his inability to put the team in positions to succeed. He’s at least as bad as Mike Shula at this point. No matter how you slice it, Mayfield is better than Dilfer and Evans and Godwin are better than any other WRs in Bucs history. And rhe line can pass block but yet here we are not scoring points.
November 18th, 2023 at 9:38 am
Ian is a retired lineman who thought Jameis Winston was the Second Coming and he’s now a quarterback-guru?
November 18th, 2023 at 10:00 am
We should be 6-4. Baker put us ahead in the last minute against Atlanta and Houston only to have the defense fail. If he gets us to 8 wins, he’ll be back next year. Three of the so called elite quarterbacks–in Buffalo, in Cincinnati, and in San Diego have been mediocre this year. Dallas has yet to.beat a winning team. Jacksonville doesn’t look much better than the Buccaneers. Maholmes is the only truly elite QB in the league.
November 18th, 2023 at 10:10 am
“Voice of Truth Says:
November 18th, 2023 at 8:57 am
Oops wrong post
Baker is Steve Deberg
That is all”
To accomplish THAT, Baker would have to bring us to within an inch of winning, THEN throw a pick, (which he has thus far failed to do)
November 18th, 2023 at 10:29 am
I don’t care if Canales is a rookie or not. He needs to get his act together and find a way to call a good game against good opponents. No slack given, he took the job now he needs to find a way to score points. He has the WRs , he needs to quit the BS coach speak and deliver.
November 18th, 2023 at 11:03 am
Hmm. How many wins would Mahomes get with this team?
Answer – same as Baker – 4 wins. He may POSSIBLY eek out one more.
But the defense has cost Baker 2 wins, and the drops have probably contributed to at least one other drop. Mahomes cannot fix any of those problems.
November 18th, 2023 at 11:10 am
As a lifelong Bucs fan, I know bad QB play when I see it. And I’m not seeing that right now. We have a good solid Qab who is playing good enough for us to have a winning record and everyone needs to play as passionately and as well as him and we will be winners. 💯
November 18th, 2023 at 11:11 am
Trask bois ain’t going to like that
November 18th, 2023 at 11:57 am
Mayfield is the reason we are below .500. defense played well enough in most games to win. He did not. That’s with a healthy mike and Chris. So absolutely no excuse for putting up points period.
November 18th, 2023 at 12:14 pm
lanshark … ‘But the defense has cost Baker 2 wins, and the drops have probably contributed to at least one other drop. ‘
If you’re talking about the losses to the Falcons & Texans, I’d put those 2 losses on COACHING before I’d put them on the defense. Bucs’ defense is good enough to keep any team in the league from scoring in a 45-second window when they start from their own 25-yard line. The defense just tried to execute what was called.
However, you missed the other side of the equation; the part that shows how many games the defense WON despite an unproductive offense. Maybe we could start with our defense holding the Vikings to 17 points (their average is now 23.3 PPG and we only scored 20 pts). Bucs’ offense also scored only 20 pts against the lowly Bears (Shaq scored the last TD), and only put up 26 pts against the Saints because the Bucs’ defense gave them 2 very short fields as a result of takeaways (Bucs scored 10 pts off those 2 takeaways, after netting a TOTAL of 15 yards on 6 plays).
And as far as dropped passes go, Bucs have dropped 11 of Baker’s 305 passes all year (ranking him 19th in dropped passes; thus we’re doing better-than-average in that category). Mahomes ranks #1 … the Chiefs have dropped 24 of his passes … followed by the Lions’ Goff (23 dropped), the Bengals’ Burrow (21 dropped) and the Cowboys Prescott (19 dropped). Baker’s got it good with this receiving corps.
So please don’t make Mayfield out to be our savior. He’s a middle-of-the-pack QB who’s pretty much earned the 4-5 record they show him with this year. He’ll take us exactly as far as this team will take him.
November 18th, 2023 at 12:20 pm
Enough with the Baker bashing! This team has too many problems to blame everything on one guy! The people on this site that keep whining about Trask not playing need to pipe down. Trask is not better than Mayfield thats why hes not playing. The coaches dont need to see more becuase they already know what they got. Minus a couple of players our offense including the coaching is poor to average at best!!
November 18th, 2023 at 12:43 pm
I think if the Bucs had lost that game, Evans doesn’t say anything about that drop beyond, “Just dropped it, have to do better.’
November 18th, 2023 at 1:02 pm
Keeping a lousy to mediocre head coach because you don’t think the job is attractive to anyone else is not a valid reason for Bowles to stay.
November 18th, 2023 at 1:09 pm
@Criag – while I agree about probably having a 9-10 win ceiling with him each season, I have to disagree about him losing motivation in Cleveland.
He had his best season in 2020. Then in 2021 got injured but continued to play at a poor level. Motivation had nothing to do with it IMO.
(And in case you haven’t noticed, the browns are a pretty dysfunctional organization)
November 18th, 2023 at 1:26 pm
14 points a game… great? Y’all need help. Average. Not the reason we win games handedly. Our defense produced turnovers with too many turnovers ending in no points or just field goals. Too many excuses for just 14 points. There’s several pros and college qbs putting up more than 14 points a game. If our running game and defense suck as some of the delusional say, then 14 points isn’t going to cut it. A touchdown per quarter and we always have a high chance of winning. The game is won with points not yards and not int thrown. Points!
Mahome is light years better than Baker in all area of his game and a multi Super Bowl champ due to his play on the field, but somehow he would get the same record as baker if he’s on the Bucs? Mahome don’t need to be carried by a team to succeed. He is a scoring machine and a defensive nightmare. Mahome has taking what Steve Young and Mike Vick have done and taking it to another level. He’s not the high paid qb ever for nothing. Geez.
November 18th, 2023 at 1:57 pm
Statements like this drive me nuts….”Trask is not better than Mayfield thats why hes not playing. The coaches dont need to see more becuase they already know what they got.”
Because in the next breath you will vote “no confidence” on the next Bowles flash poll and many will rant how coaching/OC/HC are incompetent and sux; how we would have a better record if not for the coaches inability to gameplan to players’ strengths; bad play calling, bad personnel packages, unable to see who are the better OL players; why is JTS still playing, give me Watts or Yaya, Licht needs to be better, fire these bums (coaches) etc., etc
Yet, ALL of you Trask haters implicitly believe in and trust the coaches evaluation and handling of Kyle Trask. Your narratives are so biased it is laughable. Which is it? Do you trust Bowles judgement or not? If you do, why are his confidence polls so low?
My guess is, most of you just love hurling $h!t at others. It doesn’t matter what the topic is, whether or not you’re right, or even who the target is for that matter, just as long as you feel heard. So to satisfy your need, you should know that Todd Bowles hears and agrees with you. You are in good company “frienemies forever”
November 18th, 2023 at 1:59 pm
Baker Bois think former linemen are quarterback gurus, especially if they were big fans of busts like Jameis Winston.
November 18th, 2023 at 2:02 pm
ChiBuc Says: “ALL of you Trask haters implicitly believe in and trust the coaches evaluation and handling of Kyle Trask. Your narratives are so biased it is laughable. Which is it? Do you trust Bowles judgement or not?”
They are blinded by their garnet-and-gold glasses.
November 18th, 2023 at 2:56 pm
That last comment from Beckles about Todd Bowles is what’s constantly stuck in the back of my head every time I think about him getting fired. Whi, that’s worth a spit, wants to take on this project?
This team is in the middle of trying to get their finances in order. Probably going to have a non-premium draft pick somewhere around 14-18. No franchise QB. No franchise pass rusher. This isn’t an attractive destination right now.
November 18th, 2023 at 3:00 pm
Perhaps Red86 wasn’t paying attention in school and has no clue how to figure out average points per game. The Bucs aren’t averaging 14 points per game.
The Bucs have scored 178 points through nine games (a 19.8 points per game average). Not great, but a little better than the Brady-led team last year (18.4 PPG). Of course, Brady had been in the system for his third straight year. This team is trying to learn an entirely new offensive scheme with a rookie OC.
Either way, it’s not 14 PPG. Go back to school, Red86.
November 18th, 2023 at 3:15 pm
There’s a reason Baker gets all his coaches fired every year, and this is why. He does just enough to make the low IQ morons out there think he’s good, yet he never actually puts it all together, and every week it’s a speech about how close everything is to coming together.
Seriously, just go google Baker Mayfield and “we’re close” and you’ll find comments from 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020 and 2019, literally every single year you’ll see him saying the same thing – yet it never comes together. Why is that? Well, obviously, coaching — and the next offensive coordinator will fix him, because “we’re close.”
November 18th, 2023 at 3:30 pm
Scotty Mac…. Put the kool aid down. One moment Mike Evan, Chris Godwin, Rachaard White, the whole defense, OC, and Head Coach suck. But, the guy that lead the qb position only produce 14 points on average. But, you add in the kickers, defense, and Rachaard “he suck” White tds and 3 points when it’s convenient.
You’re not addressing that I said Baker your boyfriend is only putting up 14 point a game. And our record shows this mediocrities. But, go ahead and put him as the greatest Bucs qb ever. Again delusional. I guess everyone is the qb on the Bucs team. Right?
But if you want to get really technical. In 9 games he only produced 14 tds. That’s not 2 tds a game. He’s average.
November 18th, 2023 at 3:49 pm
he’s average. That duck IS a duck. Quack, quack
November 18th, 2023 at 3:51 pm
But he’s our lil duck, so spin some yarn, tell a few tales and by the end of the season he’ll rival the legend of Odysseus
November 18th, 2023 at 3:57 pm
Or Johnny Appleseed, spreading his crab apple quarterbacking throughout the league. Can we set an over/under line for how many teams Baker will play for before retiring? I’m guessing 10, and I’m going over
To be fair, he has been professional and competitive this yr. I’m rooting for Baker, but sometimes that lil engine that could…. can’t
November 18th, 2023 at 5:05 pm
ChiBuc Says:
Yet, ALL of you Trask haters implicitly believe in and trust the coaches evaluation and handling of Kyle Trask. Your narratives are so biased it is laughable.
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nah your whole ability to proceess BASIC information and logic is whats laughable. Go look up the term Stramwan in regard to logic. Your whole argument was based on several strawmen
Stramwan number one – all Trask haters ( and we know that means anyone that doesn’t buy the conspiracy theory Kyle won the QB competition) vote no confidence in Bowles. Don’t know what Poll you are looking at or lying about . No confidence as the answer to the polls has seldom touched much above 50% and often below which means a rather large chunk of readers are not in your exteme camp. As a matter of fact Non traskies DO tend to be more realistic about the strength of the team and don’t think another QB solves all the problems so put less on Bowles even if they are not gung on him.
Strawman 2 – This coaching staff is the only data point to argue agains Kyle being the saviour on the Bench being held back by the Evil Incompetent Bowles. Meanwhile back in the real world –
1) Kyles was passed on by ALL 32 NFL teams in the first round. Thats 32 Gms and hundreds on coaching staff that evaluated him and said “Nah not worth a fiirst round pick ( so considered by NO ONE to be a superstar QB saviour)
2) The excuse often given why he wasn’t even the 2nd string was that Brady didn’t like him – so the GOAT – a true expert in QBs as one himself – said nah not him to protect my chances at another Superbowl should I go down.
3) it is widely reported and accepted by all who saw the players practice that Kyle to took a surprising jump this offseason. The joes have said it, the staff has said it. Its a Great side of the coin for traskies but then theres the other side of the coin – You had to have SUCKED before for everyone to be surprised at you improving as a young QB. QBs that actually are good are EXPECTED to improve. So apparently it wasnt Just Todd holding back Kyle in previous training camps.
IN truth Kyle should have worked on his game long ago. The first time I saw him in college I was surprised he would even be picked in the 2nd round . WHy? Other QBs throw rainbows. The guy I saw threw McDonald Golden arches regularly. Too many of his passes hung in the air too long to be good in the NFL. Better late than never Kyle has cut that down this off season .
So rather than your fib of it all being based on the evaluation of the present coaching staff there are several other data points regardless if you wish to admit them or not. IF Kyle makes another seismic jump this offseason ( or even later this season)_then Good for him and then he will play – but this incessant stupid conspiracy theory gibberish is whats laugable this season.
November 18th, 2023 at 5:06 pm
No telling how much better Mayfield would be if we a had a running game. I’m looking forward to the Bucs signing him for a middle-of-the-road contract. I am guessing he will command between 10-15 mil a season, which helps the Bucs sign their younger players.
I don’t see the Bucs giving JTS a 5th year option. S. Barrett and C. Davis will either be traded or cut if they don’t restructure their contract for less. Neither has lived up to their high paying salaries.
November 18th, 2023 at 5:16 pm
Rod Munch Says:
There’s a reason Baker gets all his coaches fired every year, and this is why
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🙂 Lke the gift that keeps giving Mush continues to increase the proof – if he typed it its almost always a lie
McVey got fired last year? lolol
QUick tell the browns fans That Stefanski was fired years ago. There will be dancing in the street because they all swear he is still the coach of the browns.
Just let them down easy when they realize – its Munschk’s alternate universe – not this one.
🙂 🙂
November 18th, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Baker Mayfield may be the second best QB the Bucs have ever had with number 1, of course, being Brady. Unfortunately for Baker, he followed directly behind the GOAT, which is the absolute worst place to be! His short to midrange passes are very good, his defense reading skills are good, his ball handling (lack of turnovers) and game management skills are very good, he’s extremely elusive and tough to sack and he’s one of the toughest and most competitive guys on the team. Re-Sign that man for at least another 2 years!!
November 18th, 2023 at 6:01 pm
Rod munkin I just ran bakers stats 2023 they r as good as any qb rite now now put u r glasses on wipe off u r dirty lenses & shut u r f** pie hole jackass
November 18th, 2023 at 6:07 pm
Of course baker would be better if we had a run game because the RB does the work all the qb does is hand off the ball to him. The better qb is not baker mayfield
November 18th, 2023 at 6:46 pm
“Baker 2nd best qb.”
I’m sorry Brad Johnson. The Baker’s juice is too strong.
November 18th, 2023 at 6:46 pm
Bo Nix
November 18th, 2023 at 6:47 pm
@Brandon
I feel and fear you’re correct about everything you wrote, but I’m still hoping against hope that Canales gets it together. You’re correct though, and it bewilders me how Canakes doesn’t see it. This offense should be scoring a lot more. Sometimes it seems like they’d rather just run down the clock on offense than try to score. It was really only one screen pass last week? Even though we scored a TD on one or our longest plays of the season? It really seems counter-productive- and I notice a lot of fans criticizing White but he seems to be pretty good in space but instead they’ve got him running up the gut 15 times a game when that’s what our offensive line seems to be worst at. Canales just seems like he’s coaching scared- playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Maybe some of that is on Bowles, but whoever it’s on, they better get it fixed quickly, because at this point it’s like coaching malpractice to not utilize what White does best and also to not give Mayfield enough chanced to find our 2 HOF recievers downfield more.
The good news is we’re only at the halfway point of the season, and we’re still in the thick of it, so the opportunity is here if they can just make the right adjustments to the playcalling. It’s not too late yet…
November 18th, 2023 at 7:59 pm
Red86 – So, I guess we need to subtract defense from the Brady offense, as well …
So funny, all these Mayfield haters. They can’t name a single QB the Bucs should have gone out and gotten during the offseason, provided the salary cap restrictions, but keep insisting that a player that no team at all in the NFL wants – Kyle Trask – is the answer.
Or, did I miss all of the offers the Bucs have been receiving for Trask? Surely, with the number of QB injuries teams have had this year, the phone has been ringing off the hook … Nope! The only one they wanted was our #3 – John Wolford, which is why the Bucs had to bring him up from the practice squad and protect him.
November 18th, 2023 at 8:46 pm
Pretty astonishing that offenses now need to subtract scores by running backs, field goals and extra points in RED86’s mind. Not sure why he didn’t add wide receivers to the mix.
There would be no extra points field goals or, with the exception of a 75+ yard run (something we don’t have to worry about), without decent play by the quarterback to get those other players in position to score, in most cases.
I guess if you aren’t throwing the ball to yourself or running it in, you’re a garbage QB in RED86’s world.
Wonderful grammar in your last comment, incidentally. Your English teachers must be proud. My “not paying attention in school” statement stands.
November 18th, 2023 at 11:08 pm
I have been a buc fan since year 1, no Mayfield is not a Brady, no he is not a farve, what he IS is a slightly above average QB. Not because of his skills alone, but his heart, drive and need to give 100% every game. Is he the problem? No… is he the answer? No.. he IS serviceable as a game manager which with a good Oline and good defense you can win a SB, we have already proven that. We need help on our Oline, bigger body at center. Better secondary, and better coaching. Stop running up the gut when your RB is built for hitting the edges, use the TE or extra lineman to open holes and block. If your line can’t give the QB at least 3 seconds to let deeper routes open up or win the push and open holes for the RB. Either way it isn’t a solo person that can be blamed for any win or loss there are too many variables to clearly label one thing as the issue.
November 19th, 2023 at 9:11 am
ScottyMack Says: “Did I miss all of the offers the Bucs have been receiving for Trask?”
What team would make an offer on a quarterback who in his 2-1/2 year career has never taken a snap in any game – not even preseason – with the starting offense?
Can you name one?
That’s what I thought.
November 19th, 2023 at 11:13 am
Well he is doing better than the guy who replaced him with theBrowns. My broker says past performance does not predict future perFormance. That works both ways. Depervert had one great statistical year on a 4-12 team. His superstar agent guaranteed a nice living as long as he lives. His performance has tanked. Baker is the opposite this year on a backup salary. Don,t look back something maybe gaining on you as the great Cleveland Indians now Guardians Pitcher said. What fans are not considering is what players do going forward. Depervert is breaking down. Baker is learning from his mistakes and pumping up in the weight room. I would place my future bets on the guy with power and the passion for American Football Baker Mayfield.