Licht has been terrible with free agency this year. He doesn’t resign affordable key players from last year’s defense like Mike Edwards, Keanu Neal (starter for Pittsburgh), Murphy Bunting, Nunez Roaches and you replace them with 2 flops in Ryan Neal and Greg Gaines?
Also 0 attempts to try and even use free agency to get much needed running back and tight end depth. Keyshaun Vaughn and Ko Keift are not NFL caliber.
Hopefully Licht can turn the corner but it seems like he’s back to his old ways from 2014-2018. Licht has yet to do much to impress pre or post Arians. At least he found a kicker.
Confident.
Winfield, Vea, Wirfs, Evans, Godwin and more.
Call me crazy but there may be 3 HOFers in that short list alone. I just wish he didn’t gamble so much on small school guys.
Tbbucs3 – Licht didn’t have cap space last off-season to sign any one substantial in free agency due to all the dead cap. Also you really think this team misses Neal or Bunting who sucked last year. Roches is just a role player depth peice. I don’t think anyone you mentioned would make any difference.
Well, well, well, at least the airheads on this blog get a few things right. Licht is the best GM Bucs have had in their history. Man, did the Glazer Boyz luck out!!
Caleb, Mike Edwards and Keanu Neal are both making less than Ryan Neal so you can’t really chalf that up to salary cap. If you watch the film, Keanu Neal didn’t “suck” at all last year he was great in underneath coverage and a hammer against the run. If he sucked then Tomlin wouldn’t have signed him.
Though, the more disappointing decision was letting Mike Edwards go. Amazing how Jason Licht can watch Mike Edwards pick 6 Matt Ryan twice in back to back plays and think Ryan Neal is better than that.
If you wanna know why the pass defense has fallen off a cliff, just look to the strong safety spot.
Well im confident that with a great punter n kicker we won’t see any dumb moves in that area any more…
I like to see him get better at eyeing safety talent and running backs…
I like white as rb but more of a flex back..back up 3rd down role..
Now I know this oline is trash n can’t run block to their kids lives but I believe a great back can create on his own.
We still need another ballpark safety to pair with win jr..
I’m fine with moving Davis david shaq..
I think they all get paid to much and you don’t see the return.
If i was a gm inlay yeah im pay you but it’s going to be on results..
And if you don’t meet those result I’ll expect a understanding when I come to renegotiate your contract.
Explain this to me, he signed Dean and Davis to huge contracts which neither are even close to earning and maybe 2 of the worst CBs in the league but yet let Whitehead walk who is possibly one of the best safeties in the league with the Jets. If he was still here it would be whitehead and winfield instead of Neal. Little confidence, his drafting is sub par, yes he’s hit on a handful the past couple years, but far too many misses and all out first round busts
Licht can’t get a forever superbowl pass….look at how Belichick is failing miserably without Brady….now Licht has to prove that he can win without Brady/Arians.
He has done great, but there are a couple issues.
1. He cannot find an edge rusher in the draft to save his life-
****hopefully YaYa proves that wrong because that kid shows some serious potential.
2. He gets a little enamored with trying to find a diamond in the rough from somewhere or some small school.
****The reality is if you draft nothing but Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson over the last 6 years , you would probably have a Super Bowl team.
3. This is not an issue. This is just a huge test. There are a lot of very good quarterbacks coming out and he needs to hit on one that’s going to be the franchise QB for the next dozen years.
**** I like Bo Nix & Jaden Daniels.
Caleb seems to be a project, but you can see the awesome talent.
I have not really seen the kid from UNC nor have I really paid attention to JJ McCarthy, too busy watching Michigan’s defense
Still no pass rush…. OLine is average at best at 4 positions. Take Brady out of the mix and he is a below 500 GM. Bellacheat Has a half a dozen Super Bowls and is catching more heat than this Loser.
GM doesn’t coach the games or play in them, so the record really doesn’t mean much. We know that the ownership gets involved in coach hiring and firing so that isn’t solely Lichts call.
I have done the math before and something like 60% of all of his draft picks are still in the league. Average bust rate in the first round is like 50% so anything above that is good. One study found that on average only about 24 players in each draft class end up being good picks with good picks.
Right now Licht is right in line with the average for first round picks through 2020. I am giving him credit for – ME, Wirfs, Vea, and White.
Second round through 2020
11 picks, with 5 bad picks, 1 who showed promise and then got injured, 5 solid picks.
Take the Brady years out of the equation? Use the same logic with the Patriots. Why do we take Brady out of the equation? As has been said many times he liked the team that the GM put together. And the coach that the GM hired. May as well say take out the jameis years. Oh wait he drafted him? So what? Bottom line is he acquired a player to round out the team. That’s what GM’s do. Maybe you should suggest that Sean McVay and their GM take Stafford out of the equation. Take away the broncos super bowl with Peyton Manning. Just a silly argument.
I agree Steven, you can’t pick and choose what you give him credit for. He built a Super Bowl team and that is not easy. Having said that, he does have quite the mixed history. A string of bad coaching hires until Arians, bad free agents followed by great ones. Lately he has hired a head coach with a significant losing record, an OC with no experience, a QB with a questionable resume, and a RB who has never produced, all at the same time Is that a lot of blind hope that all of those areas magically work out or forced financial descions? Probably the latter. Either way he bears the responsibility. Jason is a mixed bag. Not the best GM but not the worst either.
Rod, the 2019 team sucked hard led by Jason’s #1 pick. Brady came here to run over the GM and called all his friends. We dont win that Super Bowl without AB, Lenny and Gronk.
Sorry bubby your cherry picking. Nobody is buying it.
Why don’t you tell us how You would handle things for a good laugh.
And while you’re at it, play owner and tell us who you’d hire for GM and explain why you’re sure that fantasy pick GM would guarantee better picks than Licht has, his or her (for that matter) proven strategy for recruiting talent and who that GM you would pick, tell us their strategy for making Better Deals when hiring FA’s and how they would get even better bargains for in-house FA’s that Licht HAS achieved time after time.
I’m curious to hear this. And that goes for ALL the “owners” of a football team in the crowd here at Joe Bucs Fan. GO FOR IT….
Joe what’s up with the timing of the poll? Feel like it missed the Monday morning traffic after a game.
My main criticism of the GM is what is the teams identify. Look around the league and the top tier teams usually have one. He tried to build an offense that could run you out of the building (didn’t work), tried to build a DLine and lock down secondary (hasn’t worked), he’s even tried to win through special teams (kickers – no luck).
tried to build a DLine and lock down secondary (hasn’t worked),
D-line might be a development issue. As far as a secondary, please go check who started in the secondary in the 2020 playoffs and how those guys wound up on the roster. Then look at the quarterbacks they faced in the final three games.
Joe 2020? its 2023 now. Did the secondary continue the gravedigger identity in 2021. Listen I want the bucs to win and never want a tank but please let me know what is this teams strengths and identify.
In my opinion Licht gets a pass, Bowles was the D coordinator for that 2020 playoffs defense so he should be protected too.
November 13th, 2023 at 3:59 pm
See; PLAN 9, TRASK, ET AL.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:00 pm
What’s not to be confident in?
He built the roster that brought Brady. He was stuck with Lovie, whiffed on Koetter, and nailed it with Arians. (Arians stuck him and us with Bowles.)
The grass is not always greener! Trust a long time Bucs fan…
November 13th, 2023 at 4:03 pm
Little confidence.
Licht has been terrible with free agency this year. He doesn’t resign affordable key players from last year’s defense like Mike Edwards, Keanu Neal (starter for Pittsburgh), Murphy Bunting, Nunez Roaches and you replace them with 2 flops in Ryan Neal and Greg Gaines?
Also 0 attempts to try and even use free agency to get much needed running back and tight end depth. Keyshaun Vaughn and Ko Keift are not NFL caliber.
Hopefully Licht can turn the corner but it seems like he’s back to his old ways from 2014-2018. Licht has yet to do much to impress pre or post Arians. At least he found a kicker.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:07 pm
He will guide the Bucs through the next few years of Bowlzo an losing.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:08 pm
I’m confident because Todd Bowles stopped running that weak as Cover 2 defense and the run blocking has gotten better.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:19 pm
Confident.
Winfield, Vea, Wirfs, Evans, Godwin and more.
Call me crazy but there may be 3 HOFers in that short list alone. I just wish he didn’t gamble so much on small school guys.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:20 pm
Tbbucs3 – Licht didn’t have cap space last off-season to sign any one substantial in free agency due to all the dead cap. Also you really think this team misses Neal or Bunting who sucked last year. Roches is just a role player depth peice. I don’t think anyone you mentioned would make any difference.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:21 pm
Poll needs to be corrected. Shows very confident twice.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:23 pm
Well, well, well, at least the airheads on this blog get a few things right. Licht is the best GM Bucs have had in their history. Man, did the Glazer Boyz luck out!!
November 13th, 2023 at 4:25 pm
He better re-sign Evan & LVD after this season. (Our best player on offense and our best player on Defense, still)
And if Mayfield continues his solid season, sign him as well.
Also, Winfield obv and everyone else we can keep.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:32 pm
Caleb, Mike Edwards and Keanu Neal are both making less than Ryan Neal so you can’t really chalf that up to salary cap. If you watch the film, Keanu Neal didn’t “suck” at all last year he was great in underneath coverage and a hammer against the run. If he sucked then Tomlin wouldn’t have signed him.
Though, the more disappointing decision was letting Mike Edwards go. Amazing how Jason Licht can watch Mike Edwards pick 6 Matt Ryan twice in back to back plays and think Ryan Neal is better than that.
If you wanna know why the pass defense has fallen off a cliff, just look to the strong safety spot.
November 13th, 2023 at 4:37 pm
Licht built a SB team, and is doing his best with a maxed out cap and a complete dud as his headcoach.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:18 pm
i have always voted little confidence but it has recently changed.
no confidence from now until his firing at the end of the season.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:21 pm
my apologies. i thought it was a todd b pole.
i am confident in licht
November 13th, 2023 at 5:51 pm
Would have loved to seen this poll if taken last week.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Well im confident that with a great punter n kicker we won’t see any dumb moves in that area any more…
I like to see him get better at eyeing safety talent and running backs…
I like white as rb but more of a flex back..back up 3rd down role..
Now I know this oline is trash n can’t run block to their kids lives but I believe a great back can create on his own.
We still need another ballpark safety to pair with win jr..
I’m fine with moving Davis david shaq..
I think they all get paid to much and you don’t see the return.
If i was a gm inlay yeah im pay you but it’s going to be on results..
And if you don’t meet those result I’ll expect a understanding when I come to renegotiate your contract.
November 13th, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Explain this to me, he signed Dean and Davis to huge contracts which neither are even close to earning and maybe 2 of the worst CBs in the league but yet let Whitehead walk who is possibly one of the best safeties in the league with the Jets. If he was still here it would be whitehead and winfield instead of Neal. Little confidence, his drafting is sub par, yes he’s hit on a handful the past couple years, but far too many misses and all out first round busts
November 13th, 2023 at 6:17 pm
Totally confident
He built a Super Bowl winning team and the only coach he hired won that Super Bowl.
November 13th, 2023 at 6:33 pm
What are you talking about? He also hired Lovie Smith and Dirk Koetter…..and let’s be honest without Brady Arians doesn’t win that Super Bowl
November 13th, 2023 at 6:36 pm
Lovie was hired before Licht. The Koetter and Bowles decisions were made above his head IMHO. I don’t think he had any choice in the matters.
November 13th, 2023 at 6:39 pm
Licht can’t get a forever superbowl pass….look at how Belichick is failing miserably without Brady….now Licht has to prove that he can win without Brady/Arians.
November 13th, 2023 at 6:58 pm
He has done great, but there are a couple issues.
1. He cannot find an edge rusher in the draft to save his life-
****hopefully YaYa proves that wrong because that kid shows some serious potential.
2. He gets a little enamored with trying to find a diamond in the rough from somewhere or some small school.
****The reality is if you draft nothing but Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson over the last 6 years , you would probably have a Super Bowl team.
3. This is not an issue. This is just a huge test. There are a lot of very good quarterbacks coming out and he needs to hit on one that’s going to be the franchise QB for the next dozen years.
**** I like Bo Nix & Jaden Daniels.
Caleb seems to be a project, but you can see the awesome talent.
I have not really seen the kid from UNC nor have I really paid attention to JJ McCarthy, too busy watching Michigan’s defense
November 13th, 2023 at 7:05 pm
Still no pass rush…. OLine is average at best at 4 positions. Take Brady out of the mix and he is a below 500 GM. Bellacheat Has a half a dozen Super Bowls and is catching more heat than this Loser.
November 13th, 2023 at 7:14 pm
Little Confidence!
For that to improve will take seeing who he will bring in as a NEW competent HC…
November 13th, 2023 at 7:21 pm
Don’t get it.
Without Tom he is 38-75!
THIRTY EIGHT AND SEVENTY-FIVE FREAKING LOSSES.
He stinks out loud!
Why? Someone help me. Brady isn’t walking through the door.
November 13th, 2023 at 7:55 pm
Really depends on the position he’s drafting lol….. rb, qb, te, de he has sucked with every pick from that position or a damn returner
November 13th, 2023 at 8:29 pm
GM doesn’t coach the games or play in them, so the record really doesn’t mean much. We know that the ownership gets involved in coach hiring and firing so that isn’t solely Lichts call.
I have done the math before and something like 60% of all of his draft picks are still in the league. Average bust rate in the first round is like 50% so anything above that is good. One study found that on average only about 24 players in each draft class end up being good picks with good picks.
Right now Licht is right in line with the average for first round picks through 2020. I am giving him credit for – ME, Wirfs, Vea, and White.
Second round through 2020
11 picks, with 5 bad picks, 1 who showed promise and then got injured, 5 solid picks.
November 13th, 2023 at 8:56 pm
Take the Brady years out of the equation.
Then tell me what Licht’s record looks like. = horrific.
Please be real here.
November 13th, 2023 at 9:08 pm
1) Too many whiffs in the draft. His hit rate there is abysmal and he’s got a bad eye for talent.
2) Brady brought in Lenny, AB, Gronk and others. No credit.
3) he allows bad decisions to fester. Too indecisive with leftwhich, jameis, and the future 7 win 2023 Bucs that should have tanked.
November 13th, 2023 at 10:18 pm
The reason Brady came here was because of the team that Licht built. If you don’t get that, you’re literally an idiot. Literally.
November 14th, 2023 at 12:10 am
Take the Brady years out of the equation? Use the same logic with the Patriots. Why do we take Brady out of the equation? As has been said many times he liked the team that the GM put together. And the coach that the GM hired. May as well say take out the jameis years. Oh wait he drafted him? So what? Bottom line is he acquired a player to round out the team. That’s what GM’s do. Maybe you should suggest that Sean McVay and their GM take Stafford out of the equation. Take away the broncos super bowl with Peyton Manning. Just a silly argument.
November 14th, 2023 at 3:51 am
I agree Steven, you can’t pick and choose what you give him credit for. He built a Super Bowl team and that is not easy. Having said that, he does have quite the mixed history. A string of bad coaching hires until Arians, bad free agents followed by great ones. Lately he has hired a head coach with a significant losing record, an OC with no experience, a QB with a questionable resume, and a RB who has never produced, all at the same time Is that a lot of blind hope that all of those areas magically work out or forced financial descions? Probably the latter. Either way he bears the responsibility. Jason is a mixed bag. Not the best GM but not the worst either.
November 14th, 2023 at 4:54 am
Rod, the 2019 team sucked hard led by Jason’s #1 pick. Brady came here to run over the GM and called all his friends. We dont win that Super Bowl without AB, Lenny and Gronk.
November 14th, 2023 at 5:40 am
I give him credit for one thing..ducking responsibility.
November 14th, 2023 at 7:16 am
Sorry bubby your cherry picking. Nobody is buying it.
Why don’t you tell us how You would handle things for a good laugh.
And while you’re at it, play owner and tell us who you’d hire for GM and explain why you’re sure that fantasy pick GM would guarantee better picks than Licht has, his or her (for that matter) proven strategy for recruiting talent and who that GM you would pick, tell us their strategy for making Better Deals when hiring FA’s and how they would get even better bargains for in-house FA’s that Licht HAS achieved time after time.
I’m curious to hear this. And that goes for ALL the “owners” of a football team in the crowd here at Joe Bucs Fan. GO FOR IT….
November 14th, 2023 at 9:20 am
Joe what’s up with the timing of the poll? Feel like it missed the Monday morning traffic after a game.
My main criticism of the GM is what is the teams identify. Look around the league and the top tier teams usually have one. He tried to build an offense that could run you out of the building (didn’t work), tried to build a DLine and lock down secondary (hasn’t worked), he’s even tried to win through special teams (kickers – no luck).
Please take a look at the draft history and you will see a lot more Whiffs than Wirfs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/draft.htm
November 14th, 2023 at 9:35 am
D-line might be a development issue. As far as a secondary, please go check who started in the secondary in the 2020 playoffs and how those guys wound up on the roster. Then look at the quarterbacks they faced in the final three games.
Joe would say that worked. Worked quite well.
November 14th, 2023 at 9:40 am
Joe 2020? its 2023 now. Did the secondary continue the gravedigger identity in 2021. Listen I want the bucs to win and never want a tank but please let me know what is this teams strengths and identify.
In my opinion Licht gets a pass, Bowles was the D coordinator for that 2020 playoffs defense so he should be protected too.
November 14th, 2023 at 4:46 pm
Bubby Says:
November 14th, 2023 at 4:54 am
Rod, the 2019 team sucked hard led by Jason’s #1 pick.
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As I said, literally an idiot.