BSPN: Time For Bucs To Draft A Quarterback
November 21st, 2023
Draft advice from four-letter.
This is going to anger two crowds.
The first thinks you can win in the NFL with a guy whose greatest talent is handing the ball off (like dismal Desmond Ridder). The second is the group scared of their own shadows, the onese that have locked themselves behind bolted doors because they think if you try cross the street you’ll get run over by a truck.
Jordan Reid of BSPN is taking a look at the offseason. He typed that it is time for the Bucs to get serious about winning and to draft a quarterback who can put the team on his shoulders and win games.
It’s time for a new face of the franchise, and that’s probably more likely to come in the draft than free agency. The Bucs could be a trade-up candidate, targeting someone like Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy in Round 1. Or maybe Tampa Bay opts to pair a veteran — perhaps even Mayfield — with a Day 2 signal-caller like Jayden Daniels (LSU) or Michael Penix Jr. (Washington).
Joe doesn’t understand why some do cartwheels over this J.J. McCarthy. Granted, Joe only watched two Michigan games this year, but he’s so milquetoast. Joe doesn’t see anything about McCarthy that jumps out at you and makes you yelp, “Whoa!” like you would with so many other quarterbacks.
And let’s be real: McCarthy didn’t throw one pass in the second half at Penn State. To Joe, that just screams Michigan didn’t trust him.
Hell, at least Joe has seen Ohio State quarterback Kyle McCord march the Buckeyes in the final minute down the field to beat Notre Dame on the road. Joe doesn’t recall ever seeing McCarthy do that.
Caleb Williams (of course), Drake Maye, Michael Penix, Jayden Daniels, hell even Bo Nix, you watch them, they all have a wow-factor. Even Shedeur Sanders.
McCarthy? Eh.
Joe cannot fathom how Daniels and Penix last to the second round short of them sticking up a liquor store or something really dumb like that.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:37 am
Lol
Buy another car when you never started the new one in the driveway.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:41 am
Penix or Maye. Caleb Williams is not it. If the Glazers are serious about winning. They seem content with a Super Bowl every 20 years. Some of us don’t have that long.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:44 am
When you see how well Purdy performs, it makes you think drafting a QB is a crapshoot……
I’d be more in favor of keeping Mayfield and drafting a QB in round 2 or 3 to sit behind him for a year or two…Oh wait…..didn’t we already do that?
November 21st, 2023 at 7:46 am
If Jayden Daniels is Day 2, I’d be shocked. If the Bucs let him get to Day 2, I’d be unhappy.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:49 am
Didn’t that man recently draft a qb in the 2nd round? I seem to remember that.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:49 am
It’s all a conspiracy to keep Trask off the field
November 21st, 2023 at 7:50 am
I keep thinking of Mr 30-30. Tampabaybuc is right,it’s a crap shoot. Just because you do great in college don’t mean when you get with the big boys ,you will be all that good
November 21st, 2023 at 7:55 am
Time to tank and restart with new head coach.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:56 am
I would not JL to pick a quarterback…
Let alone an edge rusher, linebacker, running back or DB
November 21st, 2023 at 8:01 am
There you go again. Constitutionally unable to discuss why the guy who by your own admission “outplayed” Baker in training camp should not be given the reins for the first time to see what he has. Indeed, you were thrilled with Baker starting, so how can you not be thrilled with starting the guy who “outplayed” Baker? There is more going on here than meets the eye.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:13 am
Agree about drafting a 1st round QB. But please, for the love of all that is good. DO NOT LET BOWLES SELECT/DEVELOP THIS QB.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:17 am
“Jordan Reid of BSPN is taking a look at the offseason. He typed that it is time for the Bucs to get serious about winning and go get a quarterback who can put the team on his shoulders and win games.”
Our stubborn head coach Todd Bowles wouldn’t even allow Tom Brady the greatest NFL quarterback of all time to put the team on his back to win games like against the browns last year because he wants to be a run first and play it safe football team.
And fans think it’s time for us to draft a quarterback again?! How about we actually develop one we already have? Matter of fact, what quarterback have the Bucs ever developed into a superstar from the draft? None?! And please don’t say Jamies Winston. We don’t have the coaches to develop a quarterback into a superstar and we already have a first overall pick quarterback (Mayfield) and a second round pick quarterback (Trask) so there’s no need to waste another draft pick on a quarterback. All of our Super Bowl winning quarterbacks were added to our team from free agency, not the draft. So we need to prioritize adding better run blockers and pass rushers to our team next year. And if there’s a better free agent quarterback than Mayfield that we can afford next year then we should add him to our team too.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:17 am
Don’t leave Bo Callahan out of the conversation.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:18 am
And a new GM,HEAD COACH, and OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!
November 21st, 2023 at 8:18 am
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November 21st, 2023 at 8:21 am
San Diego tried that. Dib’t work Buffalo tried that what have they done? Carolina, the Ravens, the Steelers, the Jets, Miami, Indy, Arizona, Chicago, …all with first round failures. Some more than once. NFL is the ultimate TEAM game. KC and Houston and Cincy are the only recent success stories. Odds are 8-1 against success. Penix in the second round would be fine..
November 21st, 2023 at 8:24 am
@Jack Clark, I get what you’re saying. They never even bothered with Trask despite spending a 2nd on him. I’m not pro-Trask, but I fully support putting your high draft picks on the field to see what they’ve got.
All that being said, we’re still talking about a team lead by Bowles. No chance he develops a good QB. Hell, he took the greatest QB ever and made him boring.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:28 am
As I said earlier the Bucs need a upgrade at QB and RB Who that may be hummm. Are they gonna draft a QB in 24? 1st or second rd. What are they gonna do with Trask? Don’t look like they have confidence in him for some reason. Maybe trade him for more draft equity. I mean no one’s know what he can do, he hasn’t played many regular season games so even a trade might be tough at this time I am anxious to see what the top brass does here
November 21st, 2023 at 8:32 am
It speaks volumes about Trask, that these conversations after 3 years of Trask in a Buc Uniform.
To inspire this lack of confidence is a LOUD point made by the Bucs brass that they think they missed on Trask.
I do not have a clue how Trask will do over his NFL career, but so far, the Bucs Brass does not believe in him.
I am sure they hoped Baker would bring out the best in Trask, but that did not happen. Who knows yes or no.
Baker is just good enough to get you beat. Good guy, good team mate, has grit, but is woefully inaccurate on deep balls. And overall just a low scoring ho hum offense.
This Bucs brass already stated their position about this year, they made no attempt to upgrade at the trading deadline.
So why not throw Trask out there, a loss is a loss, so if its Baker or Trask,
might as well put Trask out there, because we see what happens with Baker, a slow starting offense that scores 10-20 points a game normally.
GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2023 at 8:35 am
Fire Todd
November 21st, 2023 at 8:35 am
All I want for Christmas is a new head coach
November 21st, 2023 at 8:39 am
It’s been time to draft a QB, look at what a franchise QB can do for your franchise
Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud , Jalen Hurts
All were acquired through the draft.
If you wanna compete in this league you need a franchise QB
November 21st, 2023 at 8:40 am
If Bowles is still head coach in 2024 it would be fruitless to draft a QB with 1st pick.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:00 am
The problem with trying to win 8 or 9 games with a roster that CLEARLY isn’t going to do any damage in the NFL Playoff is that you stuck in neutral, miss a high draft pick and then miss out on good QB prospects. Lovely.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:00 am
Can’t even talk about adding a rookie QB until a coaching decision is made.
There is no way in hell that I would let Bowles draft a QB.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:01 am
realistic-optimistic Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 8:24 am
@Jack Clark, I get what you’re saying. They never even bothered with Trask despite spending a 2nd on him. I’m not pro-Trask, but I fully support putting your high draft picks on the field to see what they’ve got. All that being said, we’re still talking about a team lead by Bowles. No chance he develops a good QB. Hell, he took the greatest QB ever and made him boring.
^^^^
I agree with you 100%
November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 am
I don’t really get the Trask crowd here. Mayfield has played pretty dang good and has kept the Bucs in a lot of games. If it wasn’t for some drops it could have been a lot closer in San Fran. Bowles knows his seat is burning hotter then Dean and Davis the last 3 weeks. I think he would do any and everything to keep his job and show he deserves to be an NFL coach. So why would he leave the better QB on the bench if they really thought he’s better. Bowles has been watching him since they drafted him and has been calling defensive plays against him in practice since he was drafted. If they want to draft a high tier QB that’s different, but if they do go that route, it means Bowles didn’t win the division this year and got canned.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 am
I’m not in the cult of Trask…but I would like to understand why the Bucs don’t play him to see what he can do. What it looks like will happen, the Bucs will draft a qb…then Trask will soon leave for another team where he will get a chance. He may prove everyone wrong…who knows. Purdy is the perfect example…basically he went undrafted and look at him. Trask was drafted when, in the 2nd round? Seems the most logical thing is to get him in games and see how he performs. We seem to allow other higher draft picks play over multiple seasons, and have underwhelming results…but they at least get a chance. idk. I’d put him in now. This team is going nowhere in the playoffs should they make it. Give the kid an audition….
November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 am
It is a crapshoot and it’s possible people are deluding themselves with this draft. We won’t know for a few years. Jay-Miss and the Hawaiian Prince were supposed to be can’t miss, future stars of the NFL. That entire QB class was a giant swing and a miss. 2020 was a great draft class for QBs. Jalen Hurts is going to be the NFL MVP and he was a 2nd rounder. My point is that I hope the Bucs do what they need to do to improve the team. Drafting a QB in the 1st won’t do that. This is pretty much the same offensive players that Brady played with and the Bucs were 8-9. The Bucs need serious upgrades at C and G. There aren’t too many young centers or guards that will be free agents and the team shouldn’t sign a guy in the twilight of his career looking to get one last contract (i.e. Jason Kece).
November 21st, 2023 at 9:04 am
“It’s been time to draft a QB, look at what a franchise QB can do for your franchise
Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud , Jalen Hurts”
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This is la la land….take a look at the list of 1st round QBs who haven’t panned out…..hint- it’s a lot longer.
This QB class isnt as deep as advertised…..the Bucs have a QB who’s one of the lone bright spots on a bad team…..top 15 production that’s a guy who can build around if Jason Licht could build a complete team.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:07 am
“It is a crapshoot and it’s possible people are deluding themselves with this draft.”
Agree D-Rome, Penix and Bo Nix are more likely than not system QBs….both play in the PAC 12 where you clap you hands and theres a wide open 70 yard TD
November 21st, 2023 at 9:09 am
August 1976 Buc … ‘It speaks volumes about Trask, that these conversations after 3 years of Trask in a Buc Uniform.
To inspire this lack of confidence is a LOUD point made by the Bucs brass that they think they missed on Trask.’
realistic-optimistic … ‘They never even bothered with Trask despite spending a 2nd on him. I’m not pro-Trask, but I fully support putting your high draft picks on the field to see what they’ve got.’
I prefer Option 2. Trask was competing for 2 years with Brady (good luck with that) and now this year with a QB who’s doing everything Bowles wants (playing conservative) even though this team needs to be opening it up more to be competitive. With BA & now Bowles, Trask was never gonna start. He may very well not be the answer, but we haven’t exactly been setting the NFL on fire to this point. Well, unless a dumpster fire is what you had in mind.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:11 am
qUARTERBACK IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE
November 21st, 2023 at 9:12 am
This organization has NEVER been right about a QB. EVER.
The GOAT does not count. He was a given (and they even managed to F that up)
Why would you think they are right about Trask. I would think the opposite.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:15 am
Idk why every analyst screams that you draft a QB high and you’ll be successful. Ryan leaf fail Jamarcus Russell epic fail mariota fail Winston fail and there’s a ton more to many to name. Brady wasn’t a high draft pick neither was Purdy or Russel Wilson list goes on in both ways. Baker isn’t the whole problem. While yesterday he did have 2 ints dropped not his best game but that red zone picks was his 1st in 4 years. 4 freaking years that’s pretty amazing. Unless it’s baker intentionally not throwing to his 2 best receivers which I highly doubt them yea new QB. We have a OC who’s never called plays before maybe even never game planned before this year 3 new starters on the oline. Deff a team sport so blame goes around starting with the coaches. Gotta get our 2 stud WR involving 100 percent more than what they have done. Upgrade the running game please. Ant have baker do it all by himself. Not even Brady could do it all by himself last year. He did put the team on his back several games but come on team sport so play like a team
November 21st, 2023 at 9:23 am
I saw 2 different Bucs’ receivers drop TD passes vs 49ers
I saw interior OLine collapse on more than 1 occasion
I saw LB’s and DB’s blow coverage
Nah, it’s all the QB’s fault
Bucs are improving offensively – they need another RB to go with White- a speedy one with some beef – they need an upgrade at Center and they need an upgrade at TE- Jag’s won’t come through in the clutch.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:24 am
D-Rome agree completely about the crap shoot.
If you simply view odds QB is the position that fails the most in the draft and that makes sense! It’s the single most important position on the team which makes it a seller’s market with buyers tripping overthemselves to spend more in draft capital than the other teams. IE Most QB’s are overdrafted. MOST…not ALL.
When my ole man the bookie used to take me to the race track he used to make fun of me. I always wanted to leave at the end of the day with more money than I brought. I could accomplish this by making a series of show bets and middling horses that I thought might pay. I never bet the favorites or the dogs but tried to find the balance.
My father would rail at me…you let the “chalk” odds get in my eyes. He was a BA no risk it no biscuit…I was more a Koetter…I had friends who were like Bowles and bet favorites out the wazoo.
My point is in the draft all QB prices are VERY expensive in draft capital. IE Famies Jameis. Imagine what this team MIGHT look like if the Bucs hadn’t grossly overpaid for JW! Out of the 3-4 better picks a couple would probably be contributing to the Bucs rather than New Orleans!
I hear the Traskers. I agree that it’s stupid to plan on spending much draft “capital” on the position next year much less shooting the wad with a 1st rounder!!!
To me all College QB’s are a gamble some with obviously better odds than others. I guess my father and at least one Joe here are right…the chalk does get in my eyes. I don’t mind trying to find a hidden gem later but QB in the 1st round…why…and yes the odds are “better” in the first but not enough to tank all that capital. Again this started with Brock Purdy “Mr Irrelevant” but Tampa should learn from it’s lessons. BOTH SB QB’s for the Bucs came from the 6th and 9th rounds!!! And from OTHER TEAMS.
At this point Mayfield is no bigger gamble than a draft pick. Yep I concede that one or two of those draft picks may end up the next Mahomes…
So there’s your choice. No risk in no biscuit in the draft…or draft wisely and put a good team together year after year after year!
As good as the Niners are and the great job of Lynch…if they hadn’t LUCKED out with Purdy their 3 WASTED 1st round picks would be haunting them.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:27 am
I didn’t say drafting a QB high is the silver bullet, or that it’s guaranteed to work. In fact, I’m pretty confident it’s guaranteed to fail if Bowles is still HC when it happens.
But you still take swings. It’s a QB driven league. Sitting on your hands and waiting passively for a great QB to materialize on your roster is not going to work.
Just don’t do what Carolina did and trade away the future. I say keep trying every couple years until you’re happy with one of them.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:27 am
Tbbucs3 is correct. Mayfield is moving up the QB Ratings list and within the next week might be in the Top 10. He’s not the problem. Draft a Center, Guard and RB and you completely energize this offense. Oh, and by the way, did any of you watch the game last night? Neither Mahomes or Hurts looked like a franchise QB that could “carry a team on their shoulders!” A QB carrying a team is a myth. Even The GOAT had a great team around, so get real.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:29 am
Yep, we need to draft a QB, no question.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:32 am
Wyoming, go ahead and ask KC/Philly if they’re interested in swapping their ho-hum QB for Baker. I’ll wait.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:33 am
How many QBs have been drafted and win a Super Bowl in the last 10 years? The answer is TWO… Brady in the 1999 draft and Mahomes. That’s it. Fill the roster with talent and find an accurate journeyman. That’s all the 49ers did and Purdy looks like a real QB. He’s on an All-Star team.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:37 am
I got a deal for you. Draft the Sanders kid.
That way you get Prime Time to hang around, maybe he can give some pointers to our secondary, they need all the help they can get.
You also get another potential lifetime backup QB.
That is all half of the top rated QB prospects will be. Even Mahomes got lucky to be working with Andy Reid, most other coaches would have smothered him by now.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:38 am
Trask was drafted to play in Bruce’s offense. He wasn’t allowed in games because Brady wanted to pad his own stats and records. We will never get a chance to see if Trask has it or not. The Buc’s current offense is run first and pass last even though it was built to be a pass heavy offense. Bye Bye Trask, greener pastures await you. You will get a chance, but not with the Bucs.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:40 am
Yes, great idea, keep playing Baker Bust, don’t play Kyle Trask who outplayed Baker Bust in training camp as per Joe himself, and draft a quarterback in the first round of the 2024 draft who assuredly will be our franchise quarterback!
How do I know this? History! Since 2000, 69 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round and all of 5 of the 69 have won a Super Bowl! Yes, only 5! That’s only 7%! While that might seem like daunting odds against the Bucs drafting a franchise quarterback, given the Bucs’ history of stellar quarterback development, I have no doubt the Bucs can pull it off!
Play Baker Bust! Cut Kyle Trask without knowing what the hell he can do! Draft our franchise quarterback! It’s a Bucs Life!
November 21st, 2023 at 9:46 am
The Bucs need a new face of the franchise.
This is real. The Bucs currently are not marketable. They signed Baker because he’s starred in more commercials than anyone over the past 3-4 years. It’s not working. The seats are emptying. Few primetime games. The Bucs need to make a splash.
Is that a rookie or a FA? IDK. I do know they need to bring in a name.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:48 am
If we know the coaching staff is inept, then how can any of you be so sure that Trask is trash without ever seeing him with the starters? Any opinion you have of him that implies he’s not good enough is irrational. You have NOTHING to base it on other than a terrible HC doesnt like him.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:50 am
Seattle
“Kyle Trask who outplayed Baker Bust in training camp as per Joe himself,”
I think you have that incorrect. But as the commercial goes we can drop the red flag and check with JOE himself.
My recollection was that Joe was surprised that Trask had IMPROVED so much and was giving Baker some competition…never that he outplayed him throughout camp.
BTW If a 1st round draft pick takes the team that drafted him (a team with a dismal record of success) to the playoffs and wins on the road againsst their biggest rival is a bust…if he then is able to start for 3 additional NFL!!! teams is a bust…what does that make a 2nd round pick that can’t even get on the freaking field?
I know…I know…it’s the USA in 2023 time to load up on “conspiracy theories”.
Somebody had it in for Trask…Brady would let him get on the field..now Bowles is keeping him off the field.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:55 am
We need an upgrade at quarterback, but I would rather build a strong team first. You don’t need to use a first round pick on a quarterback. There are plenty of examples of quarterbacks picked in lower rounds who have been winners. Build the team and then plug in the best available quarterback.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:56 am
Thats silly. He had to sit behind the GOAT then he got saddled with ReTodd Bowles who clearly has no clue what he’s doing. But lets pretend He cant get on the field due to poor play. LMAO. The scenarios people are coming up with to defend the very average #1 draft pick bust is comical.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:59 am
Penix a day two pick Joe? More likely he goes to the Bucs in the top ten of the draft. You know the Bucs scout Washington players, my guess they’ve already had an eye on Penix. Bucs do need a new face of the franchice. Baker is a retread going nowhere. New QB, new head coach, new G.M., time for a total new direction. Can it get worse? Sure, but this team is stale, and stagnet, like they’re running in place. Time for someone to come in, kick ass, and take names. This team needs a jolt like Chucky, and Arians did.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:59 am
Maybe its the Brady Michigan connection. But I have seen three Michigan games and Mccarthy is not very impressive to me either. Definitely not a first round pick for sure. I don’t believe the Bucs would have to trade up to get a good QB. There are only three or four teams that might pick a QB in the first round. So between Williams, Maye, Penix, Daniels and Nix one will be available irregardless of where the Bucs pick. Look for them to resign Mayfield for 1 or 2 years as bridge QB. Also I don’t see Bowles going anywhere. If they win or get close to the division title hes good for another year.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:01 am
The only thing we know for a fact is that we are losing ALOT with Bakers very average QB play. Despite what some say 115 yards and 7pts through 3 qrts is not a good QB. Thats actually pretty bad. They need those garbage time yards to prop Baker up on a pedestal.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:02 am
Phenix and Daniels will be gone on day 1 by #15 or 20. Nix will get picked on day 1 also even though he has career back up written all over him.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:06 am
I agree the zBucs need a new head coach. But who do you target? Not sure I see someone other than the Philly OC who will only leave if they get a ring this year.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:25 am
The Bucs are still one (1) of only nine (9) franchises to win multiple Super Bowls, having won two.
Both were won with Free Agent quarterbacks.
Not sure we should be in a hurry to draft the next one…
November 21st, 2023 at 10:26 am
Miller5252 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 am
I don’t really get the Trask crowd here. Mayfield has played pretty dang good and has kept the Bucs in a lot of games. If it wasn’t for some drops it could have been a lot closer in San Fran.
If it wasn’t for Baker’s two turnovers and missing open receivers we could have won.
Miller5252 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 9:02 am
Bowles knows his seat is burning hotter then Dean and Davis the last 3 weeks. I think he would do any and everything to keep his job and show he deserves to be an NFL coach. So why would he leave the better QB on the bench if they really thought he’s better.
It has become evident that Bowles doesn’t mind leaving better players on the bench. He said that Markees Watts has been playing great since OTS’s but didn’t put him on the field until the 9th game of the season. YaYa is clearly outplaying JTS but yet JTS continues to start and get more time on the field. So, we shouldn’t be surprised that Trask outplayed Baker in training camp and preseason but Bowles decided to start Baker and continue to play him despite bad play.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:29 am
Seems everyone in works except the glazers know we need a quarterback
November 21st, 2023 at 10:32 am
If they don’t address these other needs first the best quarterback isn’t going to do diddly
November 21st, 2023 at 10:38 am
Craig, you echoed my sentiments.
Since drafting a QB is a roll of the dice, draft 2 Sanders: 1 the QB and 1 the Head Coach.
Not sure about S. Sanders a QB at the NFL level, but D. Sanders the head coach would be a massive upgrade, even as a rookie HC.
I say this in jest…but maybe not. ???
November 21st, 2023 at 10:42 am
@Pete Mitchell, I’m not a fan of that mindset. Johnson was priviledged to have maybe the best single-season defense in NFL history. Your second example just so happened to be the greated QB of all time.
And your entire argument ignores the endless sea of truly terrible teams this franchise has put on the field between those two SBs.
You try for that young franchise QB because having one makes you competitive year in and year out.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:42 am
Relax Bucs fans I do not think the GM would be digging his own grave by drafting another qb in high rounds without playing Trask in 2024. He already made one mistake by promoting Toilet Bowl to HC and hiring Baker which backfired. Also, we are not going to have a high draft pick. Do you know why ? Toilet Bowl will win enough games to keep us out of it without going to playoffs.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:45 am
It makes sense to see what Trask and Wolford could do before you draft a qb. Imagine if Alex Smith never got hurt in KC. Pat Mahome would be labeled a bust because he never got a shot. Not saying either of our backups are Pat Mahome. We don’t know what we have. Both Trask and Wolford play well with people who either on practice squad or using their degree at a 9 to 5.
Yes our run game isn’t great. Nothing new. There’s only two ways to score on offense. If the run not going to do it, then the passer better step it up. EVERY TEAMS HAVE DROPS! It’s no excuse for not seeing open guys. It’s no excuse for throwing in double and triple coverage after staring down a receiver. (A veteran doing rookie stare down. They should be manipulating the safeties and linebackers with their eyes by now.) Where’s the hot routes and audibles? Who help set up the blocking before the snap? This 14 points or less isn’t going to cut it. EVERY TEAMS HAVE GIVEN UP SACKS! It’s a result league. Our record is the clearest results.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:49 am
Baker is here on a one-year contract. So he also has a say in where he plays next year. He can walk if Tampa decides to rebuild so it’s not a given he’s even here next year. Pittsburgh was one of the teams that wanted to sign him this year as a backup. It looks like the Steelers QB, Kenny Pickens is a washout and with their record, they will be out of reach of drafting one of the top quarterbacks in the draft. Mayfield has a relationship with Steelers coach, Mike Tomlin who has always spoken well of Mayfield. I think Mayfield would love to play the Browns twice a year in a division he knows very well. And he’s proven he was the best free agent QB available this year and would be top of the list next year. If Tampa lets Mike Evans among others walk out the door Mayfield might not even want to play here.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:49 am
“hell even Bo Nix, you watch them, they all have a wow-factor. Even Shedeur Sanders.
McCarthy? Eh.”…Joe
The Bucs would be lucky to get Bo Nix. He is a truly experienced QB coming out. Most starts of anyone ever in college ball. I know I see him much more than you guys on the east coast, but that’s not the reason. This guy started at Auburn and has burned up the last year of the Pac 12.
I’m not sure drafting a QB in first round the best idea. Never let Bowels break in a new QB. So, decision on HC first, draft second for the Bucs.
November 21st, 2023 at 10:50 am
Actually , I believe they are afraid to put Kyle Trask in because it would expose their incompetence and show just how wrong they were , Think about it, they let Kyle sit for two years because Brady did not want a rookie as a Backup,( Perhaps thinking back to what he was able to do to Drew Bledsoe when he was just a lowly sixth round draft pick himself , who took over for Bledsoe when he was injured and never looked back), then , when it was time to let Trask play ,for some insane reason, they Went out and got Mayfield a career sub- 500 quarterback who has not shown himself to be any better than he has been in the past, faked a “ competition “ in training camp where Kyle absolutely did outperform Mayfield , to their surprise , and in the big game in NewYork where it was supposed to be a head to head final preseason game competition , they refused to put Mayfield in and Kyle ended up playing the whole game , and winning it, while throwing for over 500 yards in the preseason to Mayfield’s paltry 100 something yards , then still gifting the starters job to Mayfield! Something is definitely wrong , now, in a stretch where We have lost 5 of our last six games and they won’t even let Kyle on the field to prove they were right about not letting him play, without any explanation as to why , and they won’t trade or cut him either ,it has reached a point of surreal absurdity never before seen in any professional sports organization.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:01 am
So many gator butt-hurt in this post.
This just in: This not college football!
November 21st, 2023 at 11:04 am
There’s room for improvement at QB but there’s more need to improve the rest of the team. How many Bucs starters would start on SF or Philly?
November 21st, 2023 at 11:09 am
We need to stick with baker and give Canales a little more time to figure it out.
Draft to upgrade the offensive line,center then guards.
Draft in round three for a corner back and then a wide receiver .
November 21st, 2023 at 11:11 am
Why people see anything in Baker is beyond me. We have so many receivers getting open regularly at the intermediate and deep depths that this offense should be explosive and scoring more than 7 points every 3 quarters. It’s insane. And all you have to do to rationalize why Trask is on the bench if he’s the better QB is simply look at guys like JTS, Hall, and White, plus Goedeke at LG last year. He constantly makes a decision and sticks to it even when it clearly isn’t working. What’s worse is that not playing Trask is hemming us into a decision to use a first round pick on a QB when we could have the franchise guy sitting on the bench. We don’t know, and that’s the big problem. We know Baker isn’t the guy. Time to move on and find out if Trask is, or isn’t. And, yes, Trask outperformed Mayfield in the preseason despite working with a bunch of nobodies on offense. He regularly picked up first downs and drove the ball. Baker has had a ton of 3 and outs this season, something we saw in limited play in the preseason.
Time to see what Trask has. But, because Bowles can’t seem to admit his mistakes and try something different, he won’t get on the field and we’ll still not know while losing more games. Brilliant!
November 21st, 2023 at 11:20 am
Ha, need new coach. Need to address O line, Dline, Secondary, RB, TE, then they can draft a QB in the 6th round. But why, just give Trask a chance first.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:23 am
Milqtoast? Joe, lucky your the boss or you’d already have your deak cleaned out. Milqtoast? Remember Jimmy the G
November 21st, 2023 at 11:25 am
I highly doubt Daniels makes it to day 2.
I doubt this would happen, but my hope would be for the Bucs to resign Mayfield and draft a QB to develop behind him.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:25 am
With a competent coaching staff obviously.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:30 am
Jumping into the way-back machine to 2021.
Bryan Glazer: We need to get more butts in the seats. Granted we have Brady, but we need another draw.
Licht: There’s a kid at nearby University of Florida that we can draft. Gainesville is only a couple hours away and should extend the area from which we draw fans.
Arians: Not exactly a top draft prospect, but he does have prototypical size and even though he is a notorious slow starter, maybe he can learn from Brady.
Glazer: Gainesville, huh? Go ahead and draft him, maybe he’ll work out. Regardless, if he helps bring in fans, it will be worth it.
Licht: Maybe, but what the hell, the draft is a crap shoot anyway.
Brady: Who in the hell is this kid? I’m 45 and trying to win a Championship, not babysit someone who won’t put in any effort.
Gabbert: Don’t look at me, I’ve got enough on my plate, trying to be Tom’s backup and be ready in case something happens and I have to go in.
Arians: Kid, look, now is not the best time as we’re trying to make a Super Bowl run. Just sit and watch Tom, but don’t bother him. Keep your mouth shut, watch and you’ll learn a lot.
Brady: I’m thinking of retiring. I just won another Super Bowl and can go out on top.
Arians: C’mon Tom, give us one more year. We’re returning almost everyone.
Brady: Alright, one more year.
Arians: Tom had it right, better to go out on top. We’re going to be in cap hell and we’ll be lucky to contend. Let Bowles deal with it, I’m announcing my retirement.
Glazer: So what’s the plan for this year?
Licht: Not a lot of options as we’re in cap hell. We still have some decent pieces, but we need a quarterback. The kid isn’t the answer as he has shown nothing in training camp and his one appearance against Atlanta proved he isn’t the answer. He tries, but he hasn’t shown any improvement from when we drafted him.
Glazer: Damn, well he did bring in some fans. So who’s available that we can afford?
November 21st, 2023 at 11:42 am
Doesnt matter who the quarterback is. Bowles isnt letting any quarterback carry this team, and that included the GOAT. He has exactly the guy that he is looking for, which is a game manager that does not turn the ball over. Bowles is still coaching like its 1999. He doesnt believe in good qb play, that why he runs cute blitzes out of bad sets, and plays weak zone, prevent defenses.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:42 am
Hey Realistic: You’re missing my point because your Trask and QB Draft addictions have overwhelmed you. BOTH the Eagles and the Chiefs have great offensive lines. Great offensive lines. You inferred that Hurts and Mahomes (and “franchise” QBs generally) were capable of carrying a team on their back. I countered by saying that that rarely happens and I used last night’s game as an example. Hurts threw like my grandmother. What did he have 150 yards and NO TDs?! Once his legs are gone, he’s gone. I also said that not even the GOAT was capable of “carrying” a team consistently. And btw, neither if these guys are going to be the GOAT, certainly not Hurts. Baker’s doing his job and will end up ranked in the Top 10 this year despite having no RB and a very average line.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:46 am
baker has zero touch. he throws line drives at baseball speeds.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:48 am
we had a great OL when the GOAT got to play to his strengths. lovie, his scheme and the playcalling ruined the OL and any chance of winning.
even great plays don’t work when the D knows its coming.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:04 pm
@Wyoming, there’s only a few people here mindlessly beating the Trask drum. A few new arrivals here like you only ever add commentary about one player.
Bucs fans that have lived through all the horror shows are adding commentary about lots of players and coaches. You baker huggers have two basic comments: “Baker’s the best” and “If you disagree you’re an idiot”
That’s not very productive.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:11 pm
How about we fix the inconsistent pass rush and secondary instead?
Or find some interior lineman that can actually block?
What good is a shiny new rookie QB if he’s constantly running for his life and has no run game to help him?
November 21st, 2023 at 12:13 pm
Not surprised the Traskies keep pushing this “fake competition” conspiracy nonsense.
It was clear to anyone (expect UF fans) that Mayfield ran away with the competition in the 2d half and throughly outplayed Trask in the preseason games.
The competition officially ended the moment Trask threw that awful interception in the 3rd preseason game.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:14 pm
Two things can be true, @unbelievable. This team needs a better QB, and it needs better interior OL (among other needs).
November 21st, 2023 at 12:15 pm
Qbs are a crap shoot, we could always draft a qb who is way worse than the ones we have now.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:19 pm
And @Tbbucs3, you sound like a troll. Yeah, there are a couple posters that keep going back to the preseason and pining for Trask. Many others are posting legitimate gripes with the way this coaching staff handles the roster.
I don’t even live in FL, definitely not a UF fan. All I’ve ever said about Trask is, how does an NFL franchise not put a 2nd round pick on the field AT ALL during his rookie contract? Anybody claiming to know if Trask is great or terrible is off their meds. None of us know.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:28 pm
I’ve watched a lot of Michigan football games the last couple of years and McCarthy doesn’t strike me as a franchise quarterback. He seemingly can make all the throws but he just isn’t special, he isn’t “that” guy we should draft to lead this team.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:33 pm
LOL! So what you Mayfield sycophants are saying is that after seven years and four teams all poor ol Baker needs is just a couple of more years to “ get better”? But Trask having never really been given a chance to play in a single regular season game ( with the exception of the last couple of minutes in a nothing game that was already lost), YOU KNOW he’s not the man? Well while We have you geniuses here , can you tell us mere mortals , What is the meaning of Life ? What are the winning numbers to the next dozen winning lotteries and is there , (Besides Mayfield), a God?
November 21st, 2023 at 12:51 pm
Reallistic optimistic, Id say the trolls are the small (but very loud) portion of Bucs “fans” actively rooting against a top 15 QB in Mayfield so they can get their boy Trask in whos shown very little in 3 years…..dont take my word for it take Arians and Canales.
It really is a sad sad fan club especially considering were halfway through the year and theres really no shot Mayfield gets benched at this point especially with the ways he’s playing.
So Seattle, time get on board or just stick to your pathetic excuse of a collegiate team.
November 21st, 2023 at 12:51 pm
It is interesting to me that the majority of voters in the polls here have little to no confidence in Todd Bowles, and multiple comments and articles question why JTS is playing ahead of Diaby; question why Ryan Neal is on the field; question why Stinnie is not playing ahead of Mauch; question why the Bucs keep trying to establish the run game etc., BUT are convinced that Bowles is absolutely correct in his assessment that Baker Mayfield is clearly the better option than Trask, since he has seen him in practice every day. Why do so many question the other choices, but accept the latter without question?
I wonder if those who have no interest in finding out if Trask can play, would also
not bother checking the numbers on a new scratch-off lottery card or ticket they found, since it would probably be worthless anyway. I wish that someone would pay me a few million dollars without me ever having to see a patient.
tickrdr
November 21st, 2023 at 12:51 pm
No point in drafting a QB unless we know what we want to be when we grow up (as an offense). It is clear to me that Bowles wants a run-first, ball control offense to keep his mediocre defense fresh so they can chase wide open receivers all over the field. No point drafting a QB in the first to hand off to Rachaad White 30 times a game.
If that is who and what we want to be, then build the trenches on both sides of the ball. Get some road graters up front on the o-line. Get a big bruiser RB to compliment the third down back we are currently using as RB1. Get some bookend linemen that can actually rush the passer to take the pressure off the secondary, and a couple of hard hitting SOBs that strike fear in the heart of the opposing offense (IMO, that is why we miss Suh and JPP so much – the nasty factor). Then, go get a “winner” under center like Hurts that can run an offense and make a couple of plays a game to keep the defense honest. Realistically, this is probably the key to success with a young QB anyway. No sense letting a rookie be the focal point of an incomplete offensive squad. Might as well draft Jameis 2.0.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:00 pm
We have a first overall pick at QB now. He’s backed up by a second round pick. We recently dumped a number one overall pick because he threw 30 interceptions in a year. But sure, let’s tank and get a first round QB – that’ll bring guaranteed success.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:02 pm
We have too many wanting positions to waste a pick on a developmental QB.(vast % of whom fail) Mayfield is adequate, Trask likely adequate. Both would be far more successful if we could control the line of scrimmage
November 21st, 2023 at 1:03 pm
Who said tank?
November 21st, 2023 at 1:07 pm
Seattle Buc Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 12:26 pm
I find it hard to believe there are not at least SOME rational people inside the Bucs organization pining to see what Trask can do.
There probably are but Bowles is not one of them. If he puts Trask in now and Trask shines, it will show more of Bowles’ personnel incompetence.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:08 pm
The Bucs need to follow the blueprint of the team that just wrecked them
The 49ers have a more than capable but not a top 5 quarterback in Brock Purdy….so do the Bucs in Baker Mayfield.
Mayfield needs to be resigned and build around him and hopefully he doesnt waste a 1st rounder on a Bo Nix
I mean the defense gives up a 3 play 98 yard TD drive with ease and some fans 1st priority is to get a quarterback? Please 🤦♂️
November 21st, 2023 at 1:09 pm
Seattle
“Kyle Trask who outplayed Baker Bust in training camp as per Joe himself,”
So you come back with two posts where Joe was sounding amazed that Trask even kept up as indicating Joe thought Trask clearly deserved to start.
Skippy? What does that even mean? I’ll try to come up with a clever “putdown? name” for you Seattle…nah sorry I’m just too lazy.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:14 pm
Seattle Buc Says:
Good idea!
On August 13, 2023, after training camp and after the first preseason game, JOE wrote: “For Trask to get the QB1 gig, Joe believes, he had to out-practice/play Mayfield by a lot. HE OUTPLAYED MAYFIELD A LITTLE IN TRAINING CAMP.”
What say you, Skippy?
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On August 13th, 2023, JOE wrote “ Mayfield completed eight of nine passes for 63 yards and a beautiful touchdown pass to Trey Palmer in the back of the end zone.
Trask, while getting jostled, mocked and robbed by the Pittsburgh pass rush led by future airport baggage handlers and short-order cooks, did not fare as well, despite playing with the same front line and weapons as Mayfield. He was 6 of 10 for 99 yards and a pick with three sacks”
November 21st, 2023 at 1:17 pm
The full quote, that Traskie Seattle never posts: “Trask was out-practicing Mayfield. Not by a lot, but a little. Not enough to be knighted the Bucs starter if the two were competing based solely on their play.
Then Mayfield goes out and plays well against the Steelers. Trask? He struggled more than he made plays.
Then on Sunday, the first Bucs practice since Friday’s game, Mayfield was strong. Trask wasn’t as strong”
November 21st, 2023 at 1:25 pm
100% get a QB…first rounder if possible. Gotta take the gamble.
If possible, we trade up for the best one we can get…unless…we sign a proven veteran. a PROVEN elite veteran.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:31 pm
“We love everything Kyle has done and he’s gotten leaps and bounds better than he has in the spring and he’s continuing to get better and we’re excited about him,” Bowles said. “Baker’s our guy right now, experience-wise and understanding the playbook just a little bit better. But Kyle’s on the come. We like both guys. We like where we’re at. Baker’s No. 1; Kyle’s No. 2.”
It does not matter what Joe said. He does not make decisions. It does not matter what any of the rest of us think. Bowles is the man in charge. Repeat the same thing day in and day out does not matter. Wanted him in a game with the starters after crying 3 years he never got in one ok. He did. Thake the picture and hang it your wall now. Unless Bowles decides lets him in again in the next 7 games or Mayfield gets hurt you will only see him on the sidelines. Maybe a new HC may keep him. But all we are doing is simply beating a dead horse.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:34 pm
I would find it incompetent of the Bucs to draft a QB, before seeing what Trask could possibly do on the field. If only out of curiosity, or Schlitz & giggles.
No, I’m not a Traskite, and have never seen him play.
I have seen 5 years of that little ball-chucker, who talks better than he plays.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:35 pm
Seattle Buc, makes a good point, once you look past the sarcasm.
We need to play Kyle Trask as soon as possible. If for no other reason, then to see if he is more than these horrible coaches think.
Our season is shot. While we have not been completely eliminated from the playoffs because of our crappy division, realistically, we probably won’t make it, and even if we do, we won’t win a game in the playoffs.
Our biggest need right now? We need to find out if we even need to draft a QB, because if Trask turns out to be great, we can use the first pick on a center, our second greatest need.
Some of us knew Mayfield is a bust. Others denied it. Some are still in denial. but reality will strike sooner or later. And while they spend their time insulting others who are able to see the writing on the wall, the rest of us watch this nightmare helpless to effect change.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Yes! Lets draft a QB in the first round where only 25% are every successful and fewer still are franchise caliber.
He can then start behind a below average O-line with no running game.
The low Football IQ on this here board kills me.
We have a game winning capable QB on the roster and he likely will be extended to a reasonable contract.
The draft needs are clear in the 1st round (improve the O-line) LT is the only spot the is solid the other guys. Some better than others can be upgraded.
Better O-Line = better Run game = better passing game = more points and longer drives.
QB is NOT the issue on the team, if we draft a QB in the first round do not expect this team to contend for 3 years.
If you want to win NOW in a weak division and get to the playoffs (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson) where game managers can win SB rings. Then you draft O-line.
Devin White needs to go, too many missed assignments, and loafing on plays. We should of traded him for a ham sandwhich when he asked for a trade.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:39 pm
The Beer Whisperer Says
“I would find it incompetent of the Bucs to draft a QB, before seeing what Trask could possibly do on the field.”
It’s a fair point…but if he doesn’t do well, we would be without a rookie to replace him as starter.
Worst case, he does well and we trade the rookie for a couple first rounders in a year. Or a good OL guy.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:41 pm
Bonzai
You seem to be immune to facts….
Baker has a 91.5 QB rating on the season (14th best)…1 spot ahead of Joe Burrow
So when you say that Baker has been a “bust” you either don’t know football or your just lying to yourself. But Im gonna guess you just don’t know because yesterday you said Warrick Dunn was just an “average” back.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:50 pm
Probably the smart thing to do.
November 21st, 2023 at 1:54 pm
I’d get my Defense right 1st. Our Defense is terrible. Offense can score. But we, cannot stop anybody from scoring. Great Defense still wins championships. What good is scoring 30 and your opposition scores 31?
November 21st, 2023 at 2:01 pm
I dread that day the Bucs draft a qb in the 1st round…
Their history is drafting the biggest busts and dragging it out for years!
November 21st, 2023 at 2:02 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 1:35 pm
Seattle Buc, makes a good point, once you look past the sarcasm.
We need to play Kyle Trask as soon as possible. If for no other reason, then to see if he is more than these horrible coaches think.
Our season is shot. While we have not been completely eliminated from the playoffs because of our crappy division, realistically, we probably won’t make it, and even if we do, we won’t win a game in the playoffs.
Our biggest need right now? We need to find out if we even need to draft a QB, because if Trask turns out to be great, we can use the first pick on a center, our second greatest need.
Some of us knew Mayfield is a bust. Others denied it. Some are still in denial. but reality will strike sooner or later. And while they spend their time insulting others who are able to see the writing on the wall, the rest of us watch this nightmare helpless to effect change.
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Exactly. Ryan Jensen sounds like he’s done unfortunately.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:03 pm
Silly for multiple reasons.
1. Were going to be drafting like #15. Take a QB for the sake of taking a 1st round QB? Silly.
2. Baker actually, objectively, looks quite good in a completely dysfunctional offense, dysfunctional play calling, dysfunctional coaching, dysfunctional interior offensive line….
3. Baker could easily have like 6 more TD passes if people like Evans and Otten could catch a few passes…. Puts him near the NFL lead.
Its silly to reach for a QB in the middle of the first round just for the sake of getting a QB. Baker is a top half NFL QB and hes super cheap.
Get a good HC and play caller in here and I think this offense can take off.
Imagine Baker in Shanahan or McDaniels system…. I think hes more talented than Tua or Purdy…
First pick needs to be an OG. They can probably take the best OG in the draft at 15ish where were picking and hopefully he will be a staple for a decade.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:05 pm
Tbbucs3 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 1:41 pm
Bonzai
You seem to be immune to facts….
Baker has a 91.5 QB rating on the season (14th best)…1 spot ahead of Joe Burrow
So when you say that Baker has been a “bust” you either don’t know football or your just lying to yourself. But Im gonna guess you just don’t know because yesterday you said Warrick Dunn was just an “average” back.
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Sigh…. POINTS WIN GAMES!!!! Qb rating is irrelevant with a losing record. Kansas City Chiefs has the most dropped passes according to ESPN, but they are 7-3.
“HELLO!! We play to win the game.” -Herm Edwards
November 21st, 2023 at 2:06 pm
Here is the thing about Trask. I’ve watched Jordan Love up here. And when a guy doesn’t have the natural arm strength, his deep balls are often underthrown or off target, because if he forces it, he loses accuracy, and his tendency is to not throw it far enough. I see it three times a game, at least. If Trask doesn’t have the arm, forget it. You can get it stronger, but usually lose the accuracy. And if you are constantly throwing 50/50 balls, the receivers are almost always vulnerable to injury.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:08 pm
“When you see how well Purdy performs, it makes you think drafting a QB is a crapshoot”
It clearly is. But anyone who has watched the Texans play can see there is no shorter route to a Championship that hitting on a QB in the draft.
The Pats are in the final of the 5 stages of death with Mac Jones. Trey Lance is a backup. Zach Wilson is the third QB on the Jets. Sam Darnold. Hell Jameis Winston.
Picking a QB in the draft is a game you will probably lose at.
But don’t really have a choice to play if you want to get to the Super Bowl.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:09 pm
QUARTERBACK REALLY! Howabout a defensive back or two. Maybe quit blitzing on every other down. Or I know, a new freaking coach. WOW What a concept.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:11 pm
“Its silly to reach for a QB in the middle of the first round just for the sake of getting a QB. Baker is a top half NFL QB and hes super cheap.”
Patrick Mahomes was taken 10th. Spare me the “Oh I knew he was that good”.
Baker will not be super cheap next year – unless you consider $25 million cheap.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:12 pm
Never seen people so obsessed with a dink and dunk QB who can throw deep accurately to save his life. But hey at least he plays hard right?
November 21st, 2023 at 2:12 pm
cant*
November 21st, 2023 at 2:15 pm
“Sigh…. POINTS WIN GAMES!!!”
By this logic, Justin Herbert must bad because the Chargers are also 4-6 smh….no instead they have a putrid defense just like the Bucs.
Perhaps if the Bucs garbage pass defense could make a stop the wins will come? Rewatch the Texans game.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:19 pm
Drafting a QB is a crapshoot. Does anyone remember a particular #1 overall pick from 2015?! Despite Brady’s limited success, look at how far that mistake set the Bucs back.
I’m not saying don’t draft a QB, I’m saying don’t draft a QB because you “have to”. That’s when you reach. When you reach, you make mistakes. The most glaring “needs” on this team are (in no particular order):
1. Pass rush
2. Defensive back
3. Offensive line
4. Running back
It’s my opinion that if we solve the run-game and get to opposing QBs a lot more often, it settles a lot of problems for us.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:48 pm
Bucsfanman I disagree with the order of needs, but your post is spot-on. I’d say we need o-line (interior), DB’s, D-line and then can think about skill positions.
Reaching for a QB is a fools game. Hell, even nailed-on QB’s usually aren’t so nailed-on. I remember Gru telling us that Jameis could read a defense better than any prospect he’d seen.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:55 pm
What do you get if you draft a franchise QB and fail to protect him with an O-line and provide him with quality outlets?
A) Andrew Luck. A great player who never one a championship, got beat up and retired early.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:56 pm
Don’t give a rat’s ass what Bakers stats, and QB rating is, only our won loss record with him starting. 4 – 6 for those still counting. Bucs need to draft a QB when they finish the season 6 – 11.
November 21st, 2023 at 2:58 pm
While unlikely at this point, with two games remaining against the Panthers, it’s not out of the question that the Bucs could still get the #1 pick.
What a coup that would be – getting rid of Bowles and getting your franchise QB in one swoop.
Still, in my preseason picks, I had the Bucs 4-6 right now, on the way to finishing 5-12. But that was made when AR15 was lighting up the NFL in the preseason with the Colts, so it’s possible the Bucs win this Colts game, which would make them 6-11.
If they’re 6-11, that means they’d probably end up right where they are now, with the 10th pick – and that means they probably talk themselves into saying since this is a QB heavy draft, that good talent will fall, and that’s why they’ll take a corner at 10 overall and still not have a QB, and they’ll sign Baker to another 1-year deal, and the Bucs will got 6-11 again.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:05 pm
If you want the #1 pick rather than a home playoff game, you’re not a fan. You’re just not.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:06 pm
If they finish 6-11 I truly believe Bowles is gone. The new HC will want his own QB.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:30 pm
It doesn’t matter if you draft a quarterback in the first or second round. You have to develop him. We drafted one in the second round and then mostly ignored him for 3 years. The Bucs have always had problems with quarterbacks. FFS we had Steve Young on the roster before the Niners and did nothing with him.
We do ok with free agents. Brady and Brad Johnson both won Super Bowls. Garcia wasn’t bad. Etc. The only redeeming rear view analysis of Jameis was that he was better than Marriota. Sort of.
The problem is the coaches. We have absolutely horrible picks of coaches. Lovie Smith? Dirk Koetter? Raheem Morris? Ugh. And the latest travesty is Todd Bowles.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:41 pm
Tbbucs3 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 2:15 pm
“Sigh…. POINTS WIN GAMES!!!”
By this logic, Justin Herbert must bad because the Chargers are also 4-6 smh….no instead they have a putrid defense just like the Bucs.
Perhaps if the Bucs garbage pass defense could make a stop the wins will come? Rewatch the Texans game.
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When you turn on the game after being 30 mins late to see who’s winning, do you check the “SCORE”board or the QB rating, passing yards, and other bs stats that doesn’t matters when you lose?
Games are won by “points” on the “score”board. Yeah the run suck. Every team has drop passes. The qb must step up with “points.”
Logic should be the last word used when you’re defending horrible 1.5 TD per game qb. It doesn’t matter if our defense give up a 100 points, our own qb can barely get 7 points in one half. 7 or 14 points isn’t going to win many games in the league. Heck may not be able to beat a team in the 1940’s that haven’t discovered the forward pass with this horrible production from a qb. Our defense literally have to hold every team to 0- 6 points for us to win with Baker. This is very unrealistic especially when majority of the players are all team and conference in college or other accolades. They aren’t robots on defense. Mistakes will happens on all sides. Ultimately, it’s the final score that count.
This same defense has given Bakers 3 and outs and takeaways all year long. Only to either punt the ball, get a field goal, and rarely get a TD. Many teams stalled at the red zone. Do I hate the big plays? Yes. If they can make the stop at the red zone, then the big plays aren’t as bad.
Scores win championship. Stats get you accolades. There are several great and Hall of Framer would trade their accolades for a Vince Lombardi trophy.
This like a student with a 1.5 gpa bragging about getting one A+ on their test. They’re still failing.
Before we go with it the coaches fault. Bill Belichet was literally called the best coach, best offensive mind, and have the best coaching tree when Brady was there. Now that Mac Jones regress, folks are saying he should retire. It was Brady that built that dynasty. Funny how an average to horrible qb can change the perspective of coaches.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:49 pm
Caleb Williams has already begun branding himself as a selfish diva. I don’t care how talented you are, that is a quality to avoid out of any 1st round pick and especially your QB. Pass. Let some other team watch him bust.
November 21st, 2023 at 3:53 pm
Hey,Joe, you keep getting quoted for saying Trask was better than Mayfield in training camp. You should expound on that so we all know that is true or not. Maybe the nuance isn’t clear to everyone. Did Trask win the preseason battle? Thanks Joe!
November 21st, 2023 at 4:01 pm
Tbbucs3 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 2:15 pm
“Sigh…. POINTS WIN GAMES!!!”
By this logic, Justin Herbert must bad because the Chargers are also 4-6 smh….no instead they have a putrid defense just like the Bucs.
Perhaps if the Bucs garbage pass defense could make a stop the wins will come? Rewatch the Texans game.
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When you turn on the game after being 30 mins late to see who’s winning, do you check the “SCORE”board or the QB rating, passing yards, and other bs stats that doesn’t matters when you lose?
Games are won by “points” on the “score”board. Yeah the run suck. Every team has drop passes. The qb must step up with “points.”
Logic should be the last word used when you’re defending horrible 1.5 TD per game qb. It doesn’t matter if our defense give up a 100 points, our own qb can barely get 7 points in one half. 7 or 14 points isn’t going to win many games in the league. Heck may not be able to beat a team in the 1940’s that haven’t discovered the forward pass with this horrible production from a qb. Our defense literally have to hold every team to 0- 6 points for us to win with Baker. This is very unrealistic especially when majority of the players are all team and conference in college or other accolades. They aren’t robots on defense. Mistakes will happens on all sides. Ultimately, it’s the final score that count.
This same defense has given Bakers 3 and outs and takeaways all year long. Only to either punt the ball, get a field goal, and rarely get a TD. Many teams stalled at the red zone. Do I hate the big plays? Yes. If they can make the stop at the red zone, then the big plays aren’t as bad.
Scores win championship. Stats get you accolades. There are several great and Hall of Framer would trade their accolades for a Vince Lombardi trophy.
This like a student with a 1.5 gpa bragging about getting one A+ on their test. They’re still failing.
Before we go with it the coaches fault. Bill Belichet was literally called the best coach, best offensive mind, and have the best coaching tree when Brady was there. Now that Mac Jones regress, folks are saying he should retire. It was Brady that built that dynasty. Funny how an average to horrible qb can change the perspective of coaches….
November 21st, 2023 at 4:27 pm
Not sure about that. But he’s coming across more of late as childish and a guy that has trouble handling adversity — which he surely will face in the NFL if he is a top-five pick.
Has to cry to momma (in full view of a packed stadium and nationally televised audience)? Can’t handle a half-dozen questions from reporters (man up!)? Writes obscenities on his fingernails about an opponent before losing to said opponent (granted, he was lights out before he got hurt in that game). Starting to show some red flags.
November 21st, 2023 at 4:27 pm
Baker putting up 1906 number with just 1.5 tds a game. 🤦♂️
November 21st, 2023 at 4:29 pm
Caleb Williams is literally Josh Freeman antic’s waiting to happen. Lol. No dog in him after losing. But, Netflix and chill with his dog after a losing.
November 21st, 2023 at 4:38 pm
Red86 …..Hilarious how your “dissing” Bakers 15 pass TDs when 15 TDs is 12th best and a 3 way tie with Burrow and Jalen Hurts
November 21st, 2023 at 5:34 pm
I say you roll w/ Mayfield and draft the best player available. We need a pass rusher! Not a D3 project lineman, go get a guy that doesn’t fail the eye test & also draft a CB to replace 35. He’s on the ground after every pass
November 21st, 2023 at 6:10 pm
At least I know that you need to have at least 1 point more than your opponent to win. Not some meaningless ranking. Ws & Ls is what matters. It’s determines how many seats are filled with the home team fans.
November 21st, 2023 at 6:40 pm
Kirk cousins, Aaron Rodgers, massage Watson, joe burrow, Anthony Richardson…any other starting QBs out for the year?
Trask will get a shot, the odds are ever in his favor.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:15 pm
Tbbucs3 and WyomingJoe are in dream land. You both must have some motive for your fascination with Mayfield that a majority of the rest here don’t see. Some guys are winners, some are losers, Mayfield is the latter. If you’re hell bent on the team rolling with Mayfield, then you gladly accept a praise mediocrity. What I believe the Bucs need to do is bench the average at best Mayfield and get a good look at the second round draft pick in real game situations with the real starting line-up. If he falters, then look to the draft. I think most know and understand that Mayfield, while scrappy and tries hard, is not the future.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:26 pm
Tbbucs3 Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 1:41 pm
Bonzai
You seem to be immune to facts….
Baker has a 91.5 QB rating on the season (14th best)…1 spot ahead of Joe Burrow
So when you say that Baker has been a “bust” you either don’t know football or your just lying to yourself. But Im gonna guess you just don’t know because yesterday you said Warrick Dunn was just an “average” back.
You keep citing statistics. What about this stat: 4-6. Apparently you don’t watch the games and you didn’t see Baker’s fumble, interception and missed throws.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:33 pm
#TANK FOR CALEB
….he will be a star…..pencil that in right ✅️ now!
But with that being said…..it doesn’t mean he’ll be a good franchise QB for many years.
November 21st, 2023 at 7:48 pm
I think it’s detrimental to Jason Licht that he drafts a QB in the second round who never sees the field while playing a mediocre has been that’s played average at best. That to me is not looking to the future.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:04 pm
One of the Joes as I recall asked who was the imposter playing Trask in practice, due to his improved play, doesn’t that suggest Trask is growing as a QB? By all accounts Trask has played as good as Mayfield in practice if not better. Trask has a history as a slow starter in high school and college but has excelled with time. For goodness sakes let’s see what the Bucs have in him. We know Mayfield, he’s always going to be average at best, we’ve seen his ceiling.
Before anyone calls me a Gator, I went to college in Tallahassee, no college dog in the fight here, would think the contrary, want what’s best for the Bucs.
Let’s see Trask, as I said before if he falters then the Bucs looks elsewhere. It’s definitely not Mayfield.
November 21st, 2023 at 8:05 pm
“ You keep citing statistics”
Yeah because those are also called “facts” which the Trask brigade is immune to
“ What about this stat: 4-6.”
Justin Herbert is also 4-6….you think he sucks too?
November 21st, 2023 at 8:49 pm
If you keep Baker you bring in a new staff.
Right now…the GM’s vision and the coach’s are not aligned.
IMHO.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:40 pm
sasquatch Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 3:49 pm
Caleb Williams has already begun branding himself as a selfish diva. I don’t care how talented you are, that is a quality to avoid out of any 1st round pick and especially your QB. Pass. Let some other team watch him bust.
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LOL! Yeah, who wants a QB with some personality, when you could have a boring, try-hard dullard who will get you 5 or 6 wins every year!
BTW, our last diva QB, a guy named Tom Brady did pretty well for us. If you don’t think he’s a diva, lets see, he drinks kale milk, f–ks nothing but super models, does ads for $300k watches, and would throw hissy fits on the sideline if anyone screwed up.
I’ll take the diva and the Super Bowl, while you can have your boring everyman 9-to-5’er Bruce Gradkowski and talk about how he puts in 110% effort every play.
November 21st, 2023 at 9:41 pm
optimisticbucsfan Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 8:49 pm
If you keep Baker you bring in a new staff.
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If you keep Baker, it means you’re just dooming yourself to go 6-11 again, so you might as well keep the same staff and save the money.
No new head coach is going to come here wanting to work with Baker Mayfield knowing he gets everyone around him fired every year.
November 21st, 2023 at 11:44 pm
Just need to focus on the trenches. Really hope we don’t draft a QB. If we do I have a list I like but really hope we don’t. And really really hope we don’t trade up for a qb
November 22nd, 2023 at 12:13 am
“RSJCheapseats Says:
November 21st, 2023 at 2:08 pm
“When you see how well Purdy performs, it makes you think drafting a QB is a crapshoot”
It clearly is. But anyone who has watched the Texans play can see there is no shorter route to a Championship that hitting on a QB in the draft.
The Pats are in the final of the 5 stages of death with Mac Jones. Trey Lance is a backup. Zach Wilson is the third QB on the Jets. Sam Darnold. Hell Jameis Winston.
Picking a QB in the draft is a game you will probably lose at.
But don’t really have a choice to play if you want to get to the Super Bowl.”
And the Texans were desperately trying to trade up from CJ Stroud to get Bryce Young. As stated elsewhere, it’d a total crapshoot.
Control the line of scrimmage, then the qb doesn’t need to be the rebirth of Joe Montana
November 22nd, 2023 at 8:14 am
Beeej Says: “Picking a QB in the draft is a game you … don’t really have a choice to play if you want to get to the Super Bowl.”
Then how come of the 69 quarterbacks picked in the first round of the draft since 2000, only 5 have won a Super Bowl and only 10 have even gotten to the Super Bowl?