Mad At The Defense? Blame The Offense
October 15th, 2023
Offense did Bucs in.
In the second half, Joe was getting bombed on social media with folks hollering about how the Bucs defense could not get off the field on third down.
The fans were correct. So blame the offense.
The Bucs defense did a solid job in the first half getting off the field on third downs. The Lions converted but three third downs in seven tries. Sure, that’s 43 percent. But you know what? It was a one-score game at halftime.
If anyone told you the Bucs would hold the Lions to 10 points in the first half, you would have thought the Bucs were in good shape. And they were trailing by only seven. So yeah, they were in good shape.
The second half, Joe simply believes the Bucs defense got worn out. The offense couldn’t do jack squat. Joe figured sooner or later with the defense on the field so long, playing against one of the best offenses in the league, the damn would crack.
It didn’t crack. It blew apart. The Bucs allowed the Lions to convert six of nine third downs in the second half.
You hear (when teams win) it’s about “complementary football?” Well, this was rude football the way the Bucs played on offense. In more ways than one.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:31 pm
The defense was gassed ⛽️ cause the offense couldn’t sustain drives…..
D-Line penetration sucked again tonight too…..
The secondary……was…..well…..pretty crappy too…..someone needs to sign two more safeties!!!
October 15th, 2023 at 8:31 pm
At least we don’t have to hear Joe say, the team is better off without Brady for a week anyway. Or will we? Go Bucs.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:32 pm
The offense played well, many receivers were scheme open and the protection held up, but Barker Maybefield didn’t play well, the headliner should read “Blame Mayfield”.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:33 pm
Even if the defense held the offense wasn’t going to do anything. The uniforms fit for the the performance today. Why wasn’t Delaney in at safety after having ints in the past 2 games and why wasn’t Zyon in at CB after being solid why Dean was out.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:35 pm
Can’t run the damn ball
October 15th, 2023 at 8:37 pm
Kancey looks like the real deal, if we only had and edge rush tho
October 15th, 2023 at 8:39 pm
1000% AGREED
The offense turned the ball over in the red zone. Had they not, the defense would have held Detroit to a season low. Instead, they tied their season low.
BTW, JTS leads the team in TFL and is 2nd in sacks by .5. He’s had the best OLB stat lines against Detroit and Philly (the best two teams we faced).
October 15th, 2023 at 8:41 pm
They stunk. The whole team STUNK!
October 15th, 2023 at 8:41 pm
Say what you want about Byron, at least he didn’t try to force a god awful run game like Canales does.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:42 pm
The offense was brutal on 3rd down. Well Kancey looks good so that’s positive. Neal is a huge liability.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:43 pm
You willo run out of lipstick on this PIG.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:43 pm
Well… seeing Davis getting Chris Conte’d by a WR wasn’t very encouraging,
October 15th, 2023 at 8:44 pm
I tried to tell u not to count chickens before they hatched.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:45 pm
I could buy that but the D played very well EXCEPT on 3rd down. Were they not gassed the first two downs.
The Bucs didn’t get many chunk plays…The Lions got a ton of “chunk plays” and many of them came on 3rd and desperate.
I don’t wish to pile on Bowles here but it just seemed he was outguessed? coached? by Lions OC Ben Johnson the 2nd most successful OC in the Lions long and storied history. The D wasn’t gassed so much as out of position on critical 3rd down plays. In a game of chess it was Johnson checkmate to Bowles D.
Yes the game would have been closer if the O had put some TD’s on the board.
But it was a team loss. Fortunately once we get past the nasty Nancy’s here like Nancy Anthem and look at reality,,,yep the Bucs need to improve if they want to do more than simply make the playoffs. They HAVE the talent to do that!!! The OL is obviously still trying to master Canalas zone blocking schemes for the running game.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:46 pm
Defense did stink overall. We still can’t cover, can’t get individual pressure, JYS and Ryan Neal stink. Zero turnovers to cover up the overall bad defense on 3rd down.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:47 pm
Do these national games have more timeouts? it wasnt hot , the sun went down early. Rotating dline not buying the gassed excuse. Seems like a pattern with bowles defenses against the good teams where wrs run open . Im glad hes upset about it
October 15th, 2023 at 8:48 pm
Out coached on both sides of ball like the little red headed step brothers
October 15th, 2023 at 8:48 pm
Deja vu 2022 less the heroic opportunity of a Brady comeback. Mayfield is just another Carr, Wilson, Tannahill and the other mid to bottom tier QB only Bucs aren’t paying $30 to $40M. He plays just well enough not to loose to bad teams. It’s hard to believe the O is averaging less points than last season and the D still cannot get off the field on 3rd downs. 9 for 16 is just shy of 56% Joe. For Pete’s sake Bowles was a DB, ironic wouldn’t you say?
October 15th, 2023 at 8:49 pm
The Lions have better athletes at reciever than the Bucs have in their secondary. It’s that simple.
The Lions were able to complete short passes that turned into massive gains and they were able to run deep routes that our Safeties couldn’t keep up with. What else is there to say?
You can’t play off man coverage all day and expect the pass rush to get there. Don’t pay cornerbacks all sorts of money and then line them up 7-10 yards off the ball.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:50 pm
I am with you theBucsanthem The defense was on the field quite a bit in the first quarter. I don’t think no defense in the NFL can hold up when the offense is consistently 3 and out. The D still did a decent job on Lion’s offense. That one catch for a td was a hell of a catch, the defensive player was right there
October 15th, 2023 at 8:52 pm
It just doesn’t seem like our D is comfortable playing zone. They seem to be in a constant phase of “passing off their assignment” to the next defender instead of actually ever covering anyone.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:52 pm
I read everyone bashing Neal, I watched the replays one was a great catch and Neal was all over him and the other he dove to try to make the tackle. Am I missing something?
October 15th, 2023 at 8:53 pm
That off coverage is so a$$ sat here on my couch knew exactly where the ball was going. Goff got the ball and right away went to thst wide out. Wayyyy to much Palmer and thompkins today. I like both of them dudes but needed way more Godwin. Gotta hit them shot plays
October 15th, 2023 at 8:54 pm
Two number one overall qb played today. Except one is trash journeyman.
Today was not the offense. It was Baker Mayfield who sucked. The defense won against crappy teams for Baker. Today defense helped Baker in the first half hoping Baker comes back in the send half. However The real trash Baker showed up against a good team. Shorty Baker missing wide open mike E. with Batted ball throwing a pick. Missing wide open Palmer twice and other receivers.
It’s time to give Trask a chance before it is too late. Draft a qb if he doesn’t work out. At least he will get some experience for next year.
Baker is a dead horse to bid on. Wake up Bucs.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:55 pm
We scored 6 points. This is all on the offense.
October 15th, 2023 at 8:57 pm
“It’s time to give Trask a chance before it is too late. Draft a qb if he doesn’t work out. At least he will get some experience for next year.
Baker is a dead horse to bid on. Wake up Bucs.”
Trask is garbage. Putting “mr slow learner” in is tantamount to tanking the season.
October 15th, 2023 at 9:04 pm
Biggest bunch of BS ever. This team has had a constant problem of 33rd and long and it becomes a 1st down. Usually passing. OC generally knows exactly what CB to target.
October 15th, 2023 at 9:05 pm
3rd down.
October 15th, 2023 at 9:06 pm
Trask on the sidelines looked liked dilfer today in the creamsicles. The players dont want to go to battle with trask. They want a competitor at qb. Its not just about potential talent . Didnt his last college bowl game he had like 8 ints
October 15th, 2023 at 9:07 pm
Mentioning Mayfield, Ive asked this question several times today. What’s up with all these passes batted down the last two games. Is he not putting enough arc on the ball and teams have figured out that this is one of his weaknesses or what?
October 15th, 2023 at 9:24 pm
Lack of pass rush from the front four/five might have something to do with it, Goff had pretty much all day on 3rd and long, DBs can’t cover forever and they didn’t
October 15th, 2023 at 9:27 pm
Joe You hit the nail on the head. Can’t be on the field that long and expect them to hold up. This isn’t madden the video game where you have unlimited stamina. Yea these guys are pros but they are human
October 15th, 2023 at 9:32 pm
detroit basically converted every big third down try…it was just that type day…detroit is like a top 3 team…they just smoothly went to work on us in every facet of football…
it’s like they pulled a billy dee williams on us…smooth, but tough as well…
we are not in the grouping with the top tier teams…
we’re like a seattle imho
October 15th, 2023 at 9:32 pm
Bucs held the Lions to 20 points (and gifted them 3 of those points via the INT’s short field). So our D essentially held the powerhouse Lions’ offense (that had been averaging 30 PPG) to 17 points. That was our season average coming into the game. Their 3rd down percentage sucked, but points are usually what determine wins & losses.
Bucs offense (that had been averaging 21 PPG) put up 6 points. Held the ball for a grand total of 23.5 minutes and turned it over once. If we insist on running the football, we’d better learn quickly how to do it.
October 15th, 2023 at 9:35 pm
Some retired HOF coaches were asked one word to describe Mayfield’s 3rd down passing success. Reply was Unsustainable. Took about three days for them to be proven correct.
Guess if it’s blame that helps explain the loss you can blame the coaches for Baker over throwing wide open receivers by yards. Had Baker not had to split Reps in training camp he would be hitting all his receivers in stride. 152 Passer Ratings every game instead of a dismal 56 with the benefit of 50 garbage time yards. Personally I think he lost his nerve and simply choked. Could blame it all on the first batted pass that was headed for a wide open Evans. It threw him off for the next 50 minutes of the game. Lions gave the League a Blueprint to shut down Mayfield just like Norte Dame gave the College Game the blueprint to shut down Caleb Williams Saturday Night.
Last drive Lions Defense was not going to give up a Touchdown Today and looked like they could have played for another half. Perhaps that is because their Offense robbed them of almost a full quarter of playing time.
Re- Group and get ready for the Falcons. Bucs should win that one 42-10.
October 15th, 2023 at 9:45 pm
My biggest pet peeve as a Buccaneers fan and this goes back several years is our third down defense. I see so many times where we get the opponent stuck at third and long and then we always give up the first down. This happened over and over and over again today. If we could have just ended those drives properly it would have been a different game but we kept giving up the third and fives the third and seventh the third and tens it is so frustrating.
It’s a Bucs life
October 15th, 2023 at 11:56 pm
Complaining about the defense? They legitimately gave up 17 points to a top offense in the league. Ridiculous
October 16th, 2023 at 5:46 am
100% right Joes
October 16th, 2023 at 8:26 am
How come no comments about referees? They were worse than abominable! I saw (put the tube on-sound off) no holding called on the Lions when there’s holding on practically every down. Saw the Lion D jump the snap count–no calls. Forget the personal penalties that weren’t called. If Detroit wants to win its first Stupid Bowl, it better improve. Both Bowles and Canales need to study this problem. Tony Dungy sure did.
October 16th, 2023 at 10:39 am
This Lions team showed us they are the real deal. They walked right into our house and knocked us out. This ain’t them ole Lions we use to laugh at. Give’em credit and lets move on. We can Beat the Falcons and go 4-2.
October 16th, 2023 at 1:04 pm
It’s not totally on the offense, although they have most of the blame keeping our defense on the field for an incredible amount of time. We couldn’t convert on third down. However, our defense gave up some big plays, Bowles said blown coverage. I know we aren’t the only team in the league that blows a coverage but it seems like every big game our secondary blows coverages multiple times. That is coaching, plain and simple.
October 16th, 2023 at 8:51 pm
The defense played well enough to win. Thought they did a fairly nice job containing the run game. The secondary looks lost on numerous plays. This Lions game fell directly on the offensive coordinator and his QB. Canales needs to be more creative and use the tight ends in this offense. To many wasted plays where running plays were called with 8 defenders in the box. Get the ball to Godwin . 3 passes knocked down with one of them intercepted . Baker must run more when opportunity is there. Must win Sunday against a good falcons defense.