Calling A Difference Between Kyle Trask And Baker Mayfield
August 15th, 2023
Baker Mayfield
A bunch of guys spending all day at One Buc Palace have logged many hours studying No. 1 QB Baker Mayfield and his competition, Kyle Trask.
Those are the Bucs defensive backs playing against them.
Yes, the defense is loaded with veterans and there is little competition for roster spots, but that doesn’t mean the defensive backs aren’t keyed into QB tendencies and eager to make plays.
Newcomer safety Ryan Neal was asked to name a difference between Mayfield and Trask during his recent visit to WDAE radio.
“One thing I love about Baker, he loves taking shots. He don’t care. That’s just his game,” Neal replied.
Neal went on to say lots of great things about both quarterbacks, but all those comments were about both QBs.
Joe assumes the Bucs receiving corps sees what Neal sees, along with the offensive coaching staff. And they surely also know the strength of the Bucs offense lies in those big-play receivers.
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August 15th, 2023 at 2:09 pm
I’m not a big believer in Mayfield and I’m a bit of a Gator homer so would like to see Trask succeed. That being said, if the Oline can pass block we could have a very explosive offense with Mayfield. We have one of the best WR groups in the league and an unstudied OC. I think both QBs could do very well if this line can get better fast. But that’s not looking likely right now and Mayfield won’t last long behind a bad line.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:14 pm
Yes, he takes more chances, but he’s also prone to more mistakes. Winston was the same way. He threw YOLO balls to Evans every game. Pick your poison
August 15th, 2023 at 2:17 pm
An “unstudied offense.” Canales isn’t running anything new. Let’s not turn this guy into Bill Walsh. He runs some version of the McVay offense. Defensive coordinators aren’t dumb. They can easily pull up film from Seattle’s offense from last year. Also, Baker is a known quantity. You can bait him with picks and get batted balls at the line.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:24 pm
Yeah just like Jameis, Baker loves taking shots. Sounds like there will be a lot of interceptions this season…. The pirate ship is going to be run aground.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:26 pm
Trask is probably VERY conscious of picks after watching Brady for 2 years. I’ve noticed he also throws low in the crossing routes, so as to avoid picks on tipped balls (ALSO a Brady thing)
More live playing time against NFL competition will help
August 15th, 2023 at 2:32 pm
I think this is a good problem to have. Mayfield will keep defenses honest and from stacking the box so the running game has a chance. With Trask he has a tendency to go to the intermediate areas low and away like someone else mention which moves the chains but reduces chance of turnover.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:34 pm
BF13 – Very few of Winston’s interceptions came from throwing 50/50 balls to Mike Evans.
Mike Evans is a flat out stud who catches a high % of balls thrown within his massive catch radius. And if Big Mike doesn’t come down with the ball – odds are high that the DB won’t come down with it either….
50/50 balls turn into 80/20 balls when Evans is the target with single coverage.
Baker would be wise to hitch his wagon to his two Pro Bowl receivers and save his ‘riskier throws’ for Evans and Godwin.
If anybody can best help Baker Mayfield revive his career its Mike Evans and Chris Godwin!
August 15th, 2023 at 2:36 pm
The biggest difference is Mayfield had a successful college career and has reached his zenith four years ago and has been in decline ever since, Trask also had a successful college career but after which , he studied for two years under the greatest of all time and is continuing his ascendancy.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:38 pm
My optimal QB is one that can sustain drives. That works best against good defensive teams because you press the edge of what they give you.
Trask had a much higher yards per pass average after the game was over. That, to me, means that he can sustain drives.
Baker went nowhere through three series until the immaculate reception of the game happened.
Though Baker logged in 8-9 passes completed he only had 61 yards. That doesn’t get you to the yard marker often.
Trask was 6-10 for over 90 yards. That will get you to the yardage marker more.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:56 pm
“Though Baker logged in 8-9 passes completed he only had 61 yards. That doesn’t get you to the yard marker often.”
Gonna say this aGAIN. Super Bowl champ Mahomes averaged 8.1 last year, (he got to the yard marker a LOT) NFL leader (Sam Howell) had 8.9
August 15th, 2023 at 2:58 pm
I don’t think it will matter who plays QB, with this o-line.
O-line are the backbone of an offense.
“O-line is the most important unit, on a football team” .. Mike Leach always said.
We’ll be watching the “Chinese Fire Drill Offense” again this year.
August 15th, 2023 at 2:58 pm
Taking shots is why he’s a turnover machine like Winston. Winston got the ball down the field better though. To me me it looks like trask gets it down the field better but without the amount of turnovers. But with the coaching staff not putting starters out there who knows.
August 15th, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Lets Go Big BAKE! The has been apart of sorry organizations and coaching He’s home now and READY TO BALL OUT! #GOBUCS
August 15th, 2023 at 3:18 pm
The Trask “studied under Brady” argument is so overrated. Studyinh under Brady means nothing if you can’t do Brady things, Matt Csssel, Jacoby Brisset and Jarrett Stindham also studied under Brady.
This is Bakers job, it will only take 1 more preseason game before he officially puts the nail in the coffin.
August 15th, 2023 at 3:23 pm
“Trask also had a successful college career but after which , he studied for two years under the greatest of all time and is continuing his ascendancy.”
Not being able to beat out Blaine Gabbert for two years is hardly ascending.
August 15th, 2023 at 3:31 pm
At this point what diff does the QB make? Not much at all.
August 15th, 2023 at 3:56 pm
Baker’s tendency to get hurt means Trask will start at some point this season. I certainly don’t wish for it to happen (Baker getting hurt) but his last few seasons have all had injury periods in them.
Trask needs playtime. I still stand by my assertion that he will get plenty this year once the team realizes it needs to make a decision on Trask before the 24 draft.
August 15th, 2023 at 4:38 pm
No risk it, No biscuit?
August 15th, 2023 at 5:27 pm
What was clear is that Trask was the one taking long shots. I saw the comment from someone up top speaking of Mahomes and such with an average of 8 to 9 yards per clip.
Mayfield with the throws he made averaged about 7.5 yards per completion with healthy does of YAC.
Trask averaged 16.5 yards per completion
THAT’S A PRETTY STARK DIFFERENCE!
Personally Beej I don’t see how invoking Mahomes or Howell’s name applies here much. It’s certainly not apples to apples.
And to keep it in perspective, weren’t the many of Mayfield’s passes thrown “at or behind” the line of scrimmage?
August 15th, 2023 at 5:41 pm
Laughing my arse off about this discussion of which QB is better. Neither will lead this team to the promise land so no need in getting butt hurt over who plays. Would love to be wrong about the promise land.
GO Bucs
August 15th, 2023 at 5:48 pm
Two sides of the same penny and about worth as much. Both are just terrible and either will get killed in the regular season. I bet they can’t even score 18 points a game. This team will be fighting Carolina for last place.
August 15th, 2023 at 5:51 pm
It sounds to me like the Bucs aren’t exactly gonna put it all in the window during preseason. Baker and Trask look and sound pretty good to me. Baker’s experience is likely to win out. His propensity to be a hero and his fragility will definitely be things to fret over. Has Canales got any of that magic powder he used on Geno left in the pouch? We shall see.
August 15th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Baker sees himself as a gunslinger and he slings. But he’s the man, despite Bowels hating turnovers. Notice the confusion and equivocating…between two options that are bad to begin with. Where is Rah Rah Canales? Who’s in charge?
August 15th, 2023 at 6:06 pm
Had Bowles went for wins vs Cleveland and Atlanta, he’s sitting 10-7…division champ and his total outlook on this QB competition may be drastically different. Bowles knows he’s on the hot seat and will do anything to avoid any part of Trask’s learning curve.
August 15th, 2023 at 6:21 pm
Of course you are correct about Trask having more passing yards than Mayfield (99 compared to 63). And that’s what matters to win games. It has nothing to do with who gets sacked more (3 to 0) or who turns the ball over more (1 to 0) or even who scores most TD’s (0 to 1). Yup it’s whichever QB passes for the most yards. Their team automatically wins the game. That’s the rules. K, got it.
August 15th, 2023 at 6:28 pm
Beej Says
Gonna say this aGAIN. Super Bowl champ Mahomes averaged 8.1 last year, (he got to the yard marker a LOT) NFL leader (Sam Howell) had
Need to get your facts and stats correct.
Maholmes average 8.1 per attempt. He actually averaged just over 12 per completion.
Baker averaged 6.5 per attempt. He actually averaged just over 10 per completion.
So if you are going to compare apples to apple 61 yards on 8 completions was an average per completion 6.8 and well below the 10 something when he isn’t trying to look good for the coaches.
BTW Maholmes threw twice as many passes and had 4 times as many touchdowns as Baker last year. To mention them in the same breath is utterly rediculous.
But had he thrown as many passes he was on a trajectory to throw 16 Picks which would have been 33% more than Maholmes.
August 15th, 2023 at 7:06 pm
My apologies. My math was off. Baker averaged just over 7.5 per completion Friday which is still 25% lower than his average in 2022.
I was wrong.
August 15th, 2023 at 7:09 pm
Bucsfan13 … ‘Canales isn’t running anything new. Let’s not turn this guy into Bill Walsh. He runs some version of the McVay offense.’
Interesting (and should be obvious) observation Bucs fan, and one that I admittedly overlooked. Lots of JBFers would love to have McVey as our HC, yet last year SpongeBob did better than he did …
o Bucs: 8-9 record, 313 points scored, 31 TDs, 5.1 YPP avg
o Rams: 5-12 record, 307 points scored, 31 TDs, 4.8 YPP avg
Both teams won their divisions in 2021, and the Rams went on to win the Super Bowl. In 2022, they both had losing records. And this year, neither one of them is expected to do anything spectacular. We all know what happened to the Bucs, but the Rams kept the same HC & coaching staff, the same QB and many of the same players. So what went wrong? And might the same fate await us?
Actually the Rams 2022 season is a tale of 2 teams I think. They were 3-3 at their BYE, then the roof fell in. They lost 6 straight after the BYE, and were only 2-9 in their 11 games after the BYE. Injuries were a big reason why, but not the only reason.
Right after the BYE, they played the 49ers (lost), the Bucs (lost), and the Cardinals (lost) … 3 pretty good defenses that their offense couldn’t crack (13, 14 & 17 points scored). Stafford got hurt in there, and in came Wolford & Perkins after that for a stretch. Lost 3 more games (Saints, Chiefs, Seahawks), BEFORE they finally won one against the Raiders with (wait for it …) new QB Baker Mayfield at the helm.
The Rams’ problem? They couldn’t score against the stronger teams (sound familiar). After the BYE, they scored 14, 13, 17, 20, 10, 23, 17, 12, 51, 10, 16 over those 11 games … a total of 213 points (19.4 PPG avg). But take away that strange 51 point performance against the Broncos (Baker was the Rams’ QB for that one too), and it becomes 162 points in 10 games … 16.2 PPG. Not gonna win many games like that. And they didn’t.
August 15th, 2023 at 8:28 pm
Joe assumes the Bucs receiving corps sees what Neal sees, along with the offensive coaching staff. And they surely also know the strength of the Bucs offense lies in those big-play receivers.
Good point Joe(s). Looking more and more like Baker. Kinda feels like a win-win season. I know I’ll be excited to watch it play out this season!
August 15th, 2023 at 8:32 pm
D Cone Says:
August 15th, 2023 at 6:28 pm
Beej Says
Gonna say this aGAIN. Super Bowl champ Mahomes averaged 8.1 last year, (he got to the yard marker a LOT) NFL leader (Sam Howell) had
Need to get your facts and stats correct.
Maholmes average 8.1 per attempt. He actually averaged just over 12 per completion.
Baker averaged 6.5 per attempt. He actually averaged just over 10 per completion.
Oops, you right. I looked at that several times too
August 15th, 2023 at 9:49 pm
Some of you peoples’ ignorance, bias and hate is astounding. Baker took a 1-31 team to a 7-8-1 record under hue jackson/greg williams. Went 6-10 with freddie kitchens who is now unc tarheel rb coach. He went 12-6 and won a playoff game against steelers and then lost to kc in 2020. Baker went 8-9 his last year in cleveland 2021 when he played the whole season severely injured going back to week 2. Watch his highlites! He makes throws at every level and has a plus arm, plus vision/processing and mobility.
I have nothing against trask and he does deserve a chance somewhere but baker just looks to be a better player, Baker is better than half the qbs in the nfl
August 15th, 2023 at 9:50 pm
Def rules
Rams injury list !
August 15th, 2023 at 10:33 pm
Most head coaches tend to be conservative especially if their job is at risk. Bowles is on thin ice and I think he will go with the qb with the most experience, even if he only had one pretty decent season. For now Baker is Bowels safer choice. If Baker flops Trask will get a chance to start. Nobody here has crystal ball, so only time and results will lead to the final answer.
August 15th, 2023 at 10:33 pm
Baker Mayfield sorry as is a one read quarterback
August 15th, 2023 at 10:34 pm
CHARK… agree with you totally. Why do some many of these so-called Bucs fans underestimated Baker and his abilities? I guess they’ll soon find out how really good he is.
August 15th, 2023 at 10:42 pm
chark Says:
August 15th, 2023 at 9:49 pm
Some of you peoples’ ignorance, bias and hate is astounding. Baker took a 1-31 team to a 7-8-1 record
So Baker Mayfield took his team from a losing record to a losing record? And even in his best season he only won one playoff game?! 😂😂
August 15th, 2023 at 11:25 pm
Pickgrin Says:
“Very few of Winston’s interceptions came from throwing 50/50 balls to Mike Evans.”
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True. For some reason, it seemed like he couldn’t see linebackers sitting in the zone straight in front of him.
August 15th, 2023 at 11:39 pm
Pickgrin Says:
“Very few of Winston’s interceptions came from throwing 50/50 balls to Mike Evans.”
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True. For some reason, it seemed like he couldn’t see linebackers sitting in the zone straight in front of him.
August 15th, 2023 at 11:43 pm
Baker has plenty of NFL tape and we all know his ceiling. Yes we.can dream that after 4 years and 4 teams he suddenly going to be better but history shows this is unlikely
Trask on the other hand, has only tape from college (very impressive tape) but he has the size, the accuracy and the progression skills, to be a top QB in the NFL. So clearly he has a higher upside than Baker. So we are seeing the best of Baker right now but Trask is just beginning as he was ignored for 2 seasons under Brady/Leftwich. Now he is getting 1st team reps and pre season starts. I predict he will be the buc starter sooner or later
August 16th, 2023 at 6:15 am
Everybody talks about how mediocre this line is but Canales stated in an interview that the group he has here is way more talented than the one they had in Seattle.
August 16th, 2023 at 9:35 am
I get the feeling the reason why this competition is being prolonged is in deference to the rabid college football fans who are also Bucs fans. The brass wants Baker to show even more clear separation in the 2nd game than he has already in the first. This love of the two state colleges caused the Bucs to draft Winston and hang on to him too long. Conversely Bakers Buckeye flag planting at the Horseshoe caused many Browns fan to hope that he failed and the knjves came out too fast when he showed poor judgement in trying to play through left shoulder injury. Objectively Baker should start and let Trask come in if needed due to injury or a spark is needed.
August 16th, 2023 at 9:42 am
Why do people like Jack Clark even post, he’s an idiot.
Yeah Jack, That 7-8-1 record where he didn’t play every game and still set the NFL rookie TD record. Finally won a playoff game after 28 yrs, yeah no biggie.
One read quarterback, WTF, you’re an idiot.
August 16th, 2023 at 10:17 am
The biggest difference is Mayfield had a successful college career and has reached his zenith four years ago and has been in decline ever since- -JD
Gee, I wonder what disease he caught that makes a young NFL QB decline like that? Could it be UF Rabid Fan Syndrome that is only exceeded in severity by the FSU Rabid Fan Syndrome that plagued our team a few years ago.
August 16th, 2023 at 4:51 pm
Go see Kyle’s practices with Jet throwing 60 yard plus bomb to Palmer beating the pro Corner, Sauce Gardner.
That is the difference between a NFL real qb and a midget dink and dunk while running around like a chicken failed qb, Baker.