Alarming Run Game Stats
July 18th, 2023
Bucs RB Rachaad White.
Well, it can only get better from here, Joe guesses.
Joe has been harsh on the Bucs’ run game from last year, and when assessing running back Rachaad White as a runner (White had solid receiving numbers).
Joe loved, absolutely loved White’s game against the Seahawks when he looked every bit the player that the Bucs have put so much faith in.
Sadly, that was one game out of 17.
As Joe has stated several times, White’s advanced stats running the ball were downright gruesome. This concerned Joe because if there is one offensive position on an NFL team that historically has the smoothest transition for a rookie, it’s running back.
In his deep dive on all things NFL, Warren Sharp documented White’s struggles as well as the Bucs’ poor running game as a whole in Warren Sharp’s 2023 Football Preview.
“Struggling” is too kind.
Gruesome numbers.
Joe thinks those in NFL front offices and coaching conference rooms would see these figures and immediately begin upgrading the personnel. Instead, the Bucs stood pat.
Cynics might suggest this is evidence the Bucs are secretly tanking for Caleb Williams (#CollapseForCaleb).
But Joe has a hunch Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht and coach Todd Bowles know that former offensive coordinator SpongeBob Leftwich simply had no clue how to develop and scheme a running attack. Bring in a replacment from a team that always ran the ball well and watch what happens. Hopefully.
The Bucs run game can only go up.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:07 am
129 carries in 17 games, Joe. I think front office types appreciate context and perform their jobs better than you think they can. Anytime Joe gets to talkin about our run game from 2022 and these “stats” there’s never a full layout of all the pieces that made up our run game, just suggestion of Rachaad Whites’ ability being woeful.
Also like how some of ya’ll talk as if a play is successful solely by design and that perspective apparently blinds the importance and appreciation for the players doing their jobs well and how that makes the majority of the difference on a given play call.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:41 am
Joe, how many times are you going to post this? Lazy writing.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:44 am
Where did Playoff Lenny rank?
None of our guys had stats last year. Spongebob or line play? I guess we will find out as one is gone and the other I see an upgrade from last year.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:44 am
It’s a team sport. A RB is only as good as his Oline and the plays called. When it was CONSTANT run up the middle 1st and 10 then defense was ready for it. Leftwich could not scheme around injuries and we had rookie lineman who got beat. My point is a lot went wrong that year. I won’t judge White solely by how horrible last year was for the whole team.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:44 am
Lefty deserves most of the credit thanks to his lack of creativity. System coaches are a dime a dozen. Coaches who scheme based on matchups, and adjust as the game goes on, are the ones who move up. Canales is an unknown, but he simply can’t be worse than his predecessor.
July 18th, 2023 at 11:00 am
When u have the worst offensive line talent in the league what do u expect?
It’s not hard to sort out
July 18th, 2023 at 11:00 am
Man how many articles have been written about the dismal run game last season? Think that horse has been beaten enough. Training camp can’t come soon enough.
July 18th, 2023 at 11:13 am
Kareem Hunt!!!
July 18th, 2023 at 11:20 am
Remember a runningback doesn’t matter anymore the way their being treated is insane. The only time when a running game matter is when the media favorite quarterback ain’t playing well. Remember the belief of the media and the brainwashed football fan it’s a quarterback driven league so if any quarterback struggles this year it is his fault and his fault alone. I was wrong about Jamies needed a running game or any other quarterback that don’t have a running game because it don’t matter anymore. If I’m a good college running back I would rather stay in college than go to the NFL because I will make more money in college than the NFL. At least when I do get drafted after my first contract I can retire and be fully vested with the NFL!!!
July 18th, 2023 at 11:21 am
I have to believe that management feels the lack of running production was the poor scheme and the injured line. If he averages 4.5 yards, a game next season we’ll know
July 18th, 2023 at 11:31 am
2022 Game stats are completely irrelevant considering the changes. New coordinator new start
July 18th, 2023 at 11:36 am
Ever hear of setting up the run with the pass? Running 90% of the time on first down is setting up the back to fail!!!!!!
July 18th, 2023 at 11:42 am
That’s why I thought Bucs would draft a RB. Everyone is hyped about this Syracuse kid, but who knows if he’ll even get on the practice field? I looked at his tape and it seems pretty work-a-day. Plenty action of him running all over Wagner but no hype reels of him against Clemson or Florida State. I don’t see how he’s going to be in football shape after being medically shut down all summer. I’d temper enthusiasm on this kid.
My money is on sneak this year. Trask and Vaughn might not light up press hype, but these are good players. Every time Vaughn has gotten on the field he’s produced. Career 4.3 YPC can run block and catch – he’s the answer. With the personnel they have they have no choice but to give him his touches. He’ll outplay White.
July 18th, 2023 at 11:45 am
“Kareem Hunt!!!”
Kareem Hunt in 2022:
123 carries
468 yards
3.8 ypc avg
3 rush TDs
35 recs on 44 targets
210 receiving yards
1 receiving TD
Rachaad White in 2022:
129 rushes
481 yards
3.7 ypc
1 rush TD
50 recs on 58 targets
290 receiving yards
2 receiving TDs
Funny thing is, numbers aside some of you are probably under the impression Kareem Hunt would be a “clear” upgrade to our RB room and I’m taking it upon myself to pour ice water on that notion because it’s far from the truth. Hunt hasn’t been the same since he put paws on that lady and Andy Reid bounced his a*s out of town. Browns didn’t want him back, why would we want a 27 yr old RB that wasn’t better than Leonard Fournette, who we let go? Name recognition? pfffft.
July 18th, 2023 at 11:51 am
Dooley Tampa fans love name recognition see: Baker Mayfield
July 18th, 2023 at 12:03 pm
In addition to leftwich’s playcalling, I often thought he pulled him out after a
soon good play. The Seattle game was the one game he could’ t substitute for him.White had a nice game in spite of leftwich.
July 18th, 2023 at 12:05 pm
^ pulled him out to soon after a good play.^
July 18th, 2023 at 12:09 pm
Geez again?
Thank God camp starts soon.
Only thing I wanna here about White and Co. is how awesome they look right now.
Especially Sean Tucker and Ronnie Brown.
My hope is they are so good, it’s hard to keep Edmonds.
July 18th, 2023 at 12:27 pm
You could’ve put Josh Jacobs at RB last year and it wouldn’t have made much difference
July 18th, 2023 at 12:33 pm
What’s Alarming is that there is never any positive news. It is getting to the point of not being worthy of a read. But if everything has to be all about last year and not the current and now…
I heard that living “for the past” is a nowhere state of mind. If I didn’t get it before, well I have certainly gotten that Very Clear by now…
Well thanks for writing words down I guess. I gotta say for me to constantly be discouraged from reading this constant BUMMER is turning me off!
I’m developing PTSD reading these articles! It’s time to live for the Now and the Tomorrow! You should really consider that it’s probably MORE THAN time to focus on Positive News… Hum drum or not it’s better than giving readers something to throw up about CONSTANTLY!
Is “SpongeBob” Leftwich living rent free over there?
IS IT TIME FOR A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AT JBF?
GO GET SOME GOOD NEWS FOR A CHANGE GUYS AND STOP RUNNING IT UP THE MIDDLE!
July 18th, 2023 at 12:37 pm
White looked good v Seattle. Ran physical and that stiff arm was nice. I don’t think he is the home run threat that Vaughn is and tends to run upright and long stride which were reflected in the stats Joe mentioned.
In that Seattle game he ran low and had his feet churning. I will say this – Vaughn bricked some throws in 2021 from Brady and spent 2022 on the bench even though the running game was miserable. Brady wasn’t going to stand for uncontested balls being dropped.
I think Vaughn as a runner is more shifty, has better burst and surprises defenders with power, but White is the better receiver. It’s really going to come down to which of these guys fixes the holes in their game. Each player has good upside – real good – can they put it together?
July 18th, 2023 at 12:51 pm
@ dooley
Nobody is saying that Kareem Hunt will be some “huge” upgrade… I believe we all know at this point who Kareem Hunt is.
However – if this weak inexperienced running back group suffers one injury (especially if it’s White) then the talent level looks pretty dire.
Adding Kareem Hunt would be cheap insurance and would add valuable experience as well as a player who is familiar with Baker Mayfield…
July 18th, 2023 at 12:58 pm
For those wanting Kareem Hunt, he might be branded a cancer and no one wants to spoil their locker room
July 18th, 2023 at 12:59 pm
White will be fine. he plays with burst and with heart. A decent OC and OL and I could see him being VERY good!
July 18th, 2023 at 1:02 pm
@ buccantstopit
Hunt was arrested on 11/30/2018… He hasn’t been in trouble since.
I guess the Saints should cut Alvin Kamara then – right?
I believe in second chances. Humans make mistakes from time to time…
July 18th, 2023 at 1:29 pm
@Marine Buc
Didn’t say “huge” upgrade, I said “clear” upgrade over any other RB on our roster. Kareem Hunt isn’t insurance for anybody, in fact he needs insurance seeing how he hasn’t played a full season since his rookie year. Cleveland is moving forward with Chubb & Jerome Ford, with Ford probably getting the reps Hunt would if Cleveland still wanted him. Also, Baker Mayfield is on a 1 year prove it deal, no reason to bring anybody in for the sake of familiarity.
July 18th, 2023 at 1:29 pm
(Sigh) smh. Such f’ing bullish!t.
July 18th, 2023 at 1:40 pm
BucU after Brady this fanbase no longer tolerates mediocrity. We’re not the get along gang. We’re going to be negative until we see results. It’s called accountability.
Really is anyone happy after last year? Anyone satisfied with that effort and result? We’re all bitter AF – even the Joes are salty. Vegas has us at 6.5 that’s the reality and the messed up part of it is that number is crafted to bait the homers. Everyone is scoping out this team to be a disaster.
How can anyone be hyped after last year’s last in the league running game and Baker’s last in the league passing game? Be objective here. If it were any other team would you be picking them for the division? No you wouldn’t.
The criticism is earned and it shouldn’t change until we see a different result.
July 18th, 2023 at 1:41 pm
@Marine Buc Says
I didn’t say anything about being arrested, maybe his personality and demeanor are sub par
July 18th, 2023 at 1:58 pm
We don’t have the money anyway in case you all forgot. Our RB room is fine, and the new RB coach from Dallas is a major upgrade to go along with Canales being a real OC. We’re going to be fine.
July 18th, 2023 at 1:59 pm
@ Dooley
“Baker is on a one year prove it deal”
#1 – Hunt would also be on a cheap one year prove it deal. Nobody is asking for K. Hunt to sign a multi-year deal.
“Kareem Hunt isn’t insurance for anybody, in fact he needs insurance seeing how he hasn’t played a full season since his rookie year”
#2 – And you believe “Sneak” Vaughn and Edmonds are any better? – talk about injury prone – Vaughn got hurt after just one game and a handful of carries. Edmonds missed 5 or 6 games in 2022 and barely touched the ball…
#3 – Draft Sharks listed K. Hunt’s durability at a 5.0 – which is the highest rating and he wasn’t injured in 2022 at all. He missed 5 games in 2021 but played through 3 different injuries that season.
#4 – K. Hunt would be inexpensive and is better than everyone else we have except for maybe R. White.
Again – nobody is saying K. Hunt will be All-Pro. But I just don’t have faith in Edmonds or Vaughn. Maybe you do but I do not.
And before you mention Sean Tucker – he has a congenital heart issue and has not been cleared to play as far as I can see.
So your plan is to hope and pray R. White doesn’t get injured while being backed up by two RBs who are known for being injured? And also hoping a RB with congenital heart issues will be good to go as a rookie?
Sounds like a great plan bud… NOT.
July 18th, 2023 at 2:03 pm
@ Hodad
We don’t have the money today but we all know a new contract is coming for Mike Evans…
We have not signed out 2nd round pick (Cody Mauch) yet and the Bucs have $1.4M currently.
Money is not the issue and our RB room isn’t “fine”… One injury and we are stuck with injury prone Sneak Vaughn, Edmonds and a rookie with a congenital heart issue.
Go Bucs!!!!
July 18th, 2023 at 2:05 pm
@ bucscantstopit
“I didn’t say anything about being arrested, maybe his personality and demeanor are sub par”
Where did you read this? Source? Or is this just conjecture and speculation?
July 18th, 2023 at 2:08 pm
The Bucs’ lost 60% of their offensive line before the season began! This IMHO is the single most important factor in the running game. Yes BL’s playcalling left a lot to be desired and is part of the problem. But Jeebus it’s common knowledge in the NFL that the OL is critical!!
Responsible for creating open creases in the run game, and protecting the quarterback as he drops back to pass, their play is the determining factor in putting points on the board. Looking at the run game, the offensive line must be in sync in order to help the offense find yardage running the ball.
Please read that last paragraph again!!! It’s the common wisdom of NFL GM’s and coaches! You simply can rip 60% of an OL before the season starts and replace them with raw meet rookies and other young INEXPERIENCED guys and not expect FAILURE.
Not only were these guys inexperienced as individuals…remember…the offensive line must be in sync in order to help the offense find yardage running the ball. The OL is more responsible than any coaches or RB’s for the mess of a running game. Chemistry? What Chemistry.
The new OL starts with better talent and more experience if Jensen’s knee holds up. On the left side one of the best tackles in the league…a seasoned pro in Feiler who has started for two different NFL teams and of course Jensen.
That leaves the right side which admittedly is a work in progress but there are rookies and second year players and other guys fighting for two jobs. The leftovers should provide depth!
July 18th, 2023 at 2:17 pm
cant wait for another rashaad white interview? the guy had done absolutely nothing and is getting run like the next barry sanders…
Im already tired of hearing from him until he actually rushes for 100 yards and scores in a couple games.
July 18th, 2023 at 2:38 pm
@MarineBuc
“One injury and we are stuck with injury prone Sneak Vaughn”
Ke’Shawn Vaughn hasn’t sustained a significant injury in any of the years he’s been a pro and his last availability altering injury was in 2018 when he was still in college.
6 years as a pro RB Kareem Hunt has missed 22 games and been on IR twice at the age of 27. So if like you say we’ve got nothing but injury prone(horrible sports term) RBs behind White, what’s the point of adding another one who’s missed more games than White has played in?
July 18th, 2023 at 2:51 pm
I wish one of these stat guys would break down the Bucs running stats for all plays EXCEPT 1st and 10, and perhaps 3rd and 4th and short. The Bucs didn’t seem to have issues running in situations where it wasn’t completely predictable, and I wonder how those non-obvious running down numbers stack up against other teams in that same category, if they’re still worst or not. I’m going to guess they’d end up being more of a middle of the pack team when the defense didn’t know what was coming.
July 18th, 2023 at 2:53 pm
@ Dooley
K. Hunt has over 1100 touches in the NFL.
K. Vaughn has @ 80 touches in the NFL.
And Vaughn was hurt with bruised ribs after just playing one game in 2021…
Come on man.
Let’s just agree to disagree on this one…
July 18th, 2023 at 3:01 pm
Chicago and Atlanta were the #1 and #2 rushing teams last year…..the team that won the Super Bowl was #20.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:05 pm
Worst offensive line in the history of the NFL.
Licht thought he was cute pushing his draft picks into the starting lineup.
2 former right tackles were playing LG and C.
One was a rookie.
The other was a “red-shirt” rookie: Hainsey. (Never took a snap at center in high school, college or the pros.
And we expected a man, Hainsey, who has never played center, in his entire life, to be good enough to block for the GOAT!??
Everyone in this page was calling for the Bucs and Licht to bring in a veteran center.
But Licht thought he was smart. So he pushed his “guy” into the starting lineup.
Goedeke was also not ready to start at LG. He needed a “red-shirt year” like Hainsey had his rookie year to learn center.
Again, many guys on the site called for the Bucs to bring in a new guard after Stinnie got hurt.
Don’t blame Fournette, White, Brady or Letfwich for last year.
And don’t blame Hainsey or Goedeke, they were rookies.
I love Licht overall. He has built a locker room of guys who love football and guys with solid characters.
I love our locker room.
I love our team culture.
But, Licht messed up our O-line last year.
Hainsey needed a 2nd year as a backup center.
Goedeke needed a redshirt rookie season. (You like my new term?)
And Brady and the backs needed an NFL quality offensive line!
Worst offensive line in NFL history.
Also, I think Marpet should have put his weight back on and helped Tom at center.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:05 pm
@ Dooley
“Per Greg Aumen Head Coach Bruce Arians reported on Monday that K. Vaughn is dealing with bruised ribs and is hopeful he will be cleared to play week 18 against Carolina”
AFTER JUST ONE GAME – 8 CARRIES FOR 31 YARDS!
Oh ya! K. Vaughn is “durable” huh?
LOL!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2023 at 3:06 pm
@Marine Buc
I’m not pounding the table for another Gio Bernard type addition to our RB room, but you are.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:08 pm
Jason Light, for some reason, seems to cover football players with high cuts, thin lower bodies and very little power. It’s really coming back to bite him and creating a negative identity for this team. Look at all these recent draft picks, they share this trait…JTS, Hainsey, Hall, White, Mauch, Sims, Vaughn
July 18th, 2023 at 3:08 pm
@ gotbucs
I agree. But the Super Bowl champs have Pat Mahomes.
The Bucs have Baker Mayfield.
We better have a dominant defense (top 5) and a dominant running game (top 10) if we want to win the NFC South and make the playoffs in 2023.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:08 pm
*covet
July 18th, 2023 at 3:12 pm
Bucfan … ‘Running 90% of the time on first down is setting up the back to fail!!!!!!’
All the exclamation points caught my attention Bucfan, so I decided to check it out. Bucs ran the ball on 1st down 79 times last season … the LEAST number of times in the NFL (tied with the Jets). That gave us the 2nd LOWEST percentage of runs on 1st down … 20.5% . So according to NFL dot com, we basically ran on 1st down 1 out of every 5 times.
BTW, until checking, I would’ve agreed with you. Well, maybe not 90%, but at least 50%. Their site has a page covering ‘NFL Team Stats – Offense’ that lists what the teams did by down (except for 2nd down for some reason) as well as all their production for the season.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:12 pm
@ Dooley
“I’m not pounding the table for another Gio Bernard type addition to our RB room, but you are.”
Too late. Who do you think Edmonds is?
At least K. Hunt would be a legit RB2…
Like I said – let’s just agree to disagree. I think Edmonds and Vaughn are garbage. Sean Tucker is a giant question mark with his heart issues…
You believe they are all good to go.
That is the crux of this debate…
July 18th, 2023 at 3:21 pm
@Marine Buc
fun game, this is from Hunts’ last game of 2022 after he got knocked out of the game and returned to the sideline.
“So far in 2022, Hunt has had his worst yards per attempt average of his career in both rushing and receiving. He does have four combined touchdowns but has seemed to lack the same explosion seen in his first three seasons with the team.
Hunt is set for free agency at the end of the year.”
I get our guys are relatively unknown and unproven, but that shouldn’t make you pine for mediocre RBs to be added to our roster to make you feel better lol
July 18th, 2023 at 3:23 pm
@ DR
Was that in 17 games or 18 games?
If it is 17 games that works out to about 5 attempts on 1st down per game…
Still seems like too much given the success rate of those runs. But you are correct. I was surprised it wasn’t a higher number than 79 attempts.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:27 pm
@ Dooley
Again – you like Vaughn and Edmonds.
I do not.
Vaughn and Edmonds are both below mediocre. So of course that makes me “pine” for mediocre… Mediocre in the NFL is still pretty decent.
Question for you – have you ever watched Vaughn try to pass block against a blitzing 240 lb inside linebacker?
July 18th, 2023 at 3:28 pm
Marine Buc … ‘We have not signed out 2nd round pick (Cody Mauch) yet and the Bucs have $1.4M currently.’
According to Over the Cap, the salary for the second-round draft selections varies from $1,579,416 to $952,995. There’s another site (Boardroom) that says the Bucs 2nd round pick SHOULD make $1,389,537 for a total 4-year contract of $7,642,451 . I’m sure that when they factor in everything and ‘get creative’, the year-by-year totals can vary significantly.
I don’t think Cody Mauch is holding out or anything like that. Bucs just need to free up more salary CAP room to git er done. Same goes with signing any quality cuts who might be too good to pass up on before the season starts. Getting Mike Evans next contract done would snare 2 birds with 1 stone it seems.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:33 pm
Nowhere in any comment I said I “like” Vaughn and Edmonds, you’re putting those words in my mouth which is typical internet behavior, but I realize camp hasn’t started and the 6 players we have in the RB room need their reps. My opinion, but we don’t NEED a guy who hasnt been to OTAs, Mini-Camp, and most likely training camp with any team to be added to a year 1 offense having missed at least 2 of 3 waves of installs.
Pass pro hasn’t been vocalized as a high priority by Canales like it was under BA after adding Tom, probably because our offense is going to be moving our QBs and their launch points around. I get it, your grasping for something, anything, but you by yourself can’t make Kareem Hunt more valuable than he is, by the way his offseason is going his reps can’t even do that, but keep trying.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:48 pm
@ Dooley
You are getting stuck on K. Hunt.
I don’t care if it’s K. Hunt or one of the other 3 or 4 top free agent RBs left in the free agent market.
I just don’t feel comfortable with the current RB room we have.
I have stated this several times now. Stop crying about me putting words in your mouth.
I get it, your grasping for something, anything.
For the fifth time now – I DON’T LIKE NOR TRUST K. VAUGHN AND EDMONDS.
Sorry but I just don’t.
OK? Do you understand and comprehend this simple message bro? Or do I need to repeat it for a 6th time for you?
July 18th, 2023 at 3:49 pm
Marine Buc … 17 games.
July 18th, 2023 at 3:51 pm
@ Dooley
I would even be OK with Fournette making a comeback as our RB2 but I don’t think that is realistic…
July 18th, 2023 at 3:54 pm
@ DR
OK.
So close to 5 attempts per game.
I guess it was the success rate over the frequency that we are most disturbed by.
July 18th, 2023 at 4:18 pm
@ DR
I agree.
I don’t believe Cody is holding out.
I do believe the Bucs are going to give Evans a new deal and that would give us plenty of money to sign Mauch and a new RB2 for around $1.5-$2M.
It will also leave Licht with his typical amount to sign free agents throughout the season if needed.
July 18th, 2023 at 4:49 pm
I was thinking the same way about Mauch.
Get a deal done right as he enters camp after Evans here soon.
Not sure what they are waiting for?
Evans has given money and signed cheap deals so others can join.
Classic stud.
Maybe the Bucs simply want to reward him and keep him here for life, and Shaq is a question mark. Sad but true.
July 18th, 2023 at 5:00 pm
@teacherman. Licht has not been held accountable for his role for the making of this OL last year. He thought it was prudent to have two guys new to their position protect a 45 year old Brady! That would be tough for any QB, but it’s a must to protect him from interior rush. They also couldn’t run the ball and got punked by DL all year. Leftwich and Brady weren’t giving the proper personnel to execute the offense properly. How about we hold Licht’s feet to the fire for that predicament?
July 18th, 2023 at 5:23 pm
“Licht has not been held accountable for his role for the making of this OL last year. He thought it was prudent to have two guys new to their position protect a 45 year old Brady!“
So is Licht supposed to be clairvoyant? He tried replacing Cappa with Mason & drafted a rookie to compete for LG. TC starts, Jensen gets hurt we shuffle the OL Deck. Preseason starts, Stinnie & Leverett experience injury that forces to miss time and even Hainsey get banged up but not to the severity of Aaron or Nick. The attrition forces the staff to shuffle the OL deck, plz point to me who was on the market that could’ve replace Jensen?
How is our GM being held accountable for injuries nobody could predict?
July 18th, 2023 at 5:42 pm
Marine Buc Says:
“And before you mention Sean Tucker – he has a congenital heart issue and has not been cleared to play as far as I can see.”
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Is it congenital? Or is it something that has cropped up “suddenly” in the last two years?
July 18th, 2023 at 6:51 pm
Dooley Says:
“The attrition forces the staff to shuffle the OL deck, plz point to me who was on the market that could’ve replace Jensen?”
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JC Tretter
July 18th, 2023 at 7:21 pm
I like Vaughn. Edmonds is washed though. We got a thin RB room.
July 18th, 2023 at 7:22 pm
@Marine Buc
I know, I just like to play devils advocate when Joe gets on one of these kicks where he wants to beat a dead horse into obolivian.
With this teams make-up they probably need to have a top 10 rushing attack to be dangerous at all.
July 18th, 2023 at 8:18 pm
OK I’m going to confess to a prejudice I’ve had all my life.
My father beat the hell out of my mother! I freaking HATE men who beat women!!! Kareem Hunt deserves to have his p&ssy arse kicked!
Not only beating on a woman but KICKING her when she’s down! What a manly man eh?
Sorry but the sound of a woman’s head against a wall is like thumping a watermelon, it’s a sound you never forget! I’d like to see Kareem experience that personally with ANOTHER FREAKING TEAM!
July 18th, 2023 at 8:28 pm
If White and Vaughn can protect the ball things will be fine. Both seem to have trouble with fumbles!! This could be the year they don’t! September is faster approaching!
July 18th, 2023 at 8:31 pm
Sorry, fastly approaching!
July 18th, 2023 at 10:03 pm
@ stpetebucfan
I understand your bias.
However if you watch the video of the incident it wasn’t as bad as the Ray Rice video… I’m not excusing Hunt’s actions.
But NFL history is filled with way worse characters. Besides Hunt has kept his nose clean for almost 5 years now.
After all we aren’t looking for church pastors. We need running backs not named Sneak Vaughn and Chase Edmonds.
I’m also fine with adding a different running back besides Hunt.
There are 3-4 free agents available right now who are better than we currently have.
July 18th, 2023 at 10:05 pm
@ Hunter’s crack pipe
From what I have read – yes – it is considered a congenital heart issue.
Not good.
July 18th, 2023 at 11:58 pm
Defense Rules – The issue was the predictability of running up the middle on 1st down. The Bucs did it early and often – then when they stopped, they just went to shotgun and completely gave away the fact they weren’t going to run it up the middle – except for when they ran from shotgun, and even then they always had a tell based on the way the RB was positioned. BUT the biggest thing, as you can see in any gameday thread, was the fact the Bucs almost NEVER used playaction passes. All they had to do was run a few play action passes early in the game, so the defense couldn’t sit on the run up the gut, and it would have opened up the running game. Again, on game day, half the people in the thread are calling out the run up the middle before it happens. Then, once the Bucs are down, they go to shotgun for the rest of the game and don’t run at all. Plus the fact the Bucs just ran the same few plays over and over again. I mean if you don’t believe your own eyes on that, just refer back to the Ravens player mocking the Bucs, saying they’re just running the same plays over and over again from a different formation.
July 19th, 2023 at 3:59 am
Rod Munch Says:
“Defense Rules – The issue was the predictability of running up the middle on 1st down. The Bucs did it early and often”
Gotta agree with Rod on this one but DR is not wrong necessarily. the stats do not however tell us that almost all of the telegraphed run plays were in the first half before we went away from Leftnut’s “game plans”.
Leftnut never changed his tendencies even when it was obvious that the rest of the league knew what we were doing early in games. After that we were usually playing catch up and did not run much on first down. Thus skewing the stat.
So this a great example of the stats being misleading.
Go Bucs!
July 19th, 2023 at 4:23 am
Thanks Joe
Those stats are alarmng.
Is Patrick Laird in the mix at all? I thought he showed some promise last year.
Also do you think we will sign some camp cuts at RB?
Go Bucs!
July 19th, 2023 at 6:54 am
“Is Patrick Laird in the mix at all? I thought he showed some promise last year.”
yup
July 19th, 2023 at 7:21 am
wow july nfl?? you losers are breaking down kareem hunt, a guy not even on our roster.. haha yay joebucsfan…what a good read