Big Year For Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
June 8th, 2023
Important season.
Is this a make-or-break year for Bucs outside linebacker Joe Tryon-Shoyinka? From a career standpoint, no. From a money standpoint, yes.
What kind of a season JTS has likely will determine if the Bucs pick up his fifth-year option next spring.
JTS, a first-round draft pick in 2021, had four sacks each of his first two seasons. That’s not enough for a guy the Bucs have so much invested in. And while many Bucs fans understandably have just about run out of patience with JTS, Bucs coach Todd Bowles doesn’t seem to be close to throwing in the towel.
Bowles discussed JTS earlier this week. He says JTS is very close to demonstrating why the Bucs drafted him.
“We like what he was doing last year,” Bowles said. “He was kind of missing at the top of the pass rush – he probably missed more [sacks] than he made.
“If he can wrap up and tackle those, he’ll be right where we want him to be.”
Right now JTS has only one thing to hang his hat on, and that’s pass rush. And it isn’t much. JTS is close to a liability in the run game.
Bowles thinks more focus on fundamentals will help JTS push double-digit sacks.
“It’s not leaving your feet so early and it’s going through – pushing through – with your shoulder and understanding when you can go for the ball and when you can’t go for the ball,” Bowles said.
Joe isn’t trying to hammer JTS but he never impressed Joe with being a physical dude where he can run through blockers to get to the quarterback.
The Bucs sent a message through the draft. By picking up YaYa’s flamebroiled chicken and Jose Ramirez, Joe thinks it was a bit more than a subtle jab at JTS to start producing or he might be sitting.
June 8th, 2023 at 5:41 am
Yaya is a young JPP, damn he is really built in the arms, his wingspan is incredible he has an RAS 9.86! really joe tryon was nowhere near this guys (Yaya) potential! He had 9 sacks, whats not to like, he came in the 3rd round. Nelson is getting bettter every year and this year likely too. JTS is really going to be challenged. Anything out of Jose Ramirez is gravy. Either JTS explodes or he sits the bench.
June 8th, 2023 at 5:42 am
Potential is on thing, but at some point potential has to turn into productivity… For our sake hopefully he puts it all together this season…
June 8th, 2023 at 6:20 am
Joe … ‘JTS is close to a liability in the run game.’
That’s the kiss of death in Bowles’ defense. Last year opponents ran on us 458 times (44.7% of their plays against us). Now look at the previous seasons under Bowles when we had Suh & JPP on our DLine:
o 2021: Opponents ran on us 366 times (33.5% of the time)
o 2020: Opponents ran on us 358 times (35.0% of the time)
o 2019: Opponents ran on us 362 times (33.7% of the time)
Our run defense last year ranked #15 in Yards Allowed, as opposed to #1, #1 and #3 in 2019-2021. Same coaching staff, but we were missing Suh, JPP & Shaq and had Hicks, Hall & JTS trying to fill their holes. Results kinda speak for themselves.
Teams figured out our weakness, especially in the 2nd half of the season, and it’s run defense. This year they’ll run the ball down our throats until we prove that we can stop them. Gut feeling is that we’ll see a LOT more of 4-man fronts in trying to shut down the run. Sure do hope that both Vita Vea and Greg Gaines can stay healthy because the rest of the DLine doesn’t inspire fear in the hearts of the bad guys.
June 8th, 2023 at 6:37 am
JTSj has game speed but he had no power with his speed. This limited his moves. If he can gain some power, he would double his sacks total.
June 8th, 2023 at 6:59 am
“We like what he was doing last year,” Bowles said. “He was kind of missing at the top of the pass rush – he probably missed more [sacks] than he made”
“When I listen to Bowles I think, we don’t stand a chance with this clown.
JTS, White, Logan Hall all resist coaching.
June 8th, 2023 at 7:05 am
Major Tom to Plan 9 come in please.
June 8th, 2023 at 7:36 am
This guy has consistently played like a dud. Did anyone see his bonehead play against Joe Burrow in the Bengal’s game last year? He plays the game like a lost puppy. He has speed n don’t know how to use it n he lacks power cause he spends more time doing his hair than hitting the gym. He outweighs Cowboys Michael Parson by 15 pounds n is 2 inches taller than him but who plays hungry
(even when injured) n consistently on each down, not JTS. I’m hoping Ya Ya n Jose Ramirez can show the hunger to put JTS on the bench.
June 8th, 2023 at 8:04 am
BUST!!!
June 8th, 2023 at 8:12 am
Jts is one of worst run defenders I’ve ever seen. Literally pathetic stuff he does in that department. Next time ask him about run defense joe. Sacks are good but it’s 1 play in a game. If you got a sack in every game in the 1st half but did nothing else all year. Did you have a good year?
June 8th, 2023 at 9:34 am
He is our number one outside pass rusher………
gonna be a long year
June 8th, 2023 at 10:40 am
Definitely his last year to prove something.
Personally, I think his problem is he focuses too much on the move, and when the move is done, the play for him is over. The best pass rushers are hell-bent on getting to the quarterback. The move is just part of the process along the way, not the goal.
June 8th, 2023 at 11:14 am
JTS has been knocking at the door the last two seasons, with the addition of coach Edwards and what I’m hoping was another offseason training under Eddy McGilvra out west it’d be nice to see Joe start kickin’ that mf’er in more often than not.
June 8th, 2023 at 11:29 am
No power, no moves, can really run around in the backfield but is always a few seconds late and a dollar short. Sorry, time to cut the guy and move on, he doesn’t have it.
June 8th, 2023 at 11:37 am
JTS has been here for 4 seasons?! What has he done? Squat! That’s what I expect this year. Premium pass rushers flash signs of ability even in their rookie year. Only thing this guy has flashed is the speed by which he is pushed wide and behind of any chance at the QB. This guy is going to be below expectations permanently. In common terms a bust.
June 8th, 2023 at 11:45 am
Dooley … I think JTS suffers from the same problem that plagued Jameis: came into the league too young & too inexperienced. Different situations obviously (QB – OLB), but there were still a lot of commonalities I think. Since they were both 1st Rnd picks, coaches, media & fans expected a lot from them, but neither were really ready to make an immediate transition from college to the pros. Part of both their issues was lack of maturity IMO, both physical & mental, but the only real ‘cure’ for that is time. Hopefully we see some really nice progress this year on JTS’ part.
June 8th, 2023 at 11:47 am
I think many “fans” enjoy taking a sh!t on young players who take time to develop. They’d rather call a guy a bust than look for growth. Any thread about JTS is guaranteed to be filled with this evidence.
June 8th, 2023 at 12:47 pm
@DR
Agreed on the inexperience comparison, but I think that holds true mostly for JTS considering he took the college season leading up to the 2021 draft off due to COVID. On the other hand I think Jameis Winston had all the tools to be successful but lacked maturity in his approach to the game and his role as “the guy” while our front office afforded him alot of grace in proving to them he could mature fast enough as a player to turn things around.
To that effect, I think our staff and front office are affording JTS the same grace period to come in learn, fill out his frame, and keep polishing his technique because athletically the dude is a stud. I think a lot of his criticism is the impatience those of us outside of 1Bucs have for development which is something I’m finding out most fans don’t really care about.
Regardless of what anybody says, this isn’t JTSs’ last year, he’s got one more deal on his rookie deal and we aren’t in any position to be letting affordable(cheap sounds dirty) just go. I also think guys like Diaby & Rameriz can be good enough, that should a situation call for it we can trot either of them out on a front with JTS, Nelly & Vea/Gaines/Kancey and be a different type of disruptive than we’re used to. I agree with the sentiment that the clock is ticking for JTS, but I also think there are areas of his game like coverage and spying the backfield that others on our roster don’t do as well as he does. just my opinion, but in no way am I counting him out in June of his 3rd year in the NFL.
June 8th, 2023 at 1:16 pm
Who drafted this guy?
June 8th, 2023 at 2:14 pm
Agreed sas. People want instant success these days. Not only do I hope he break out this year and helps us get dubs I also hope he Dora’s to make all the sheet talkers eat crow.
June 8th, 2023 at 2:30 pm
Well he is our best outside pass rusher so its not all negative
June 8th, 2023 at 2:39 pm
JTS = 9-11 sacks
I see a guy that is figuring it out.
Year 1 – Hadn’t played ball in +1 year. Now in the NFL.
Year 2 – Got bigger. Getting to his spot but not finishing.
Year 3 – Now focal on defense. He knows the scheme. Developed his skill.
He’s got talent. He’s got the knowledge. He’s about to breakout.
June 8th, 2023 at 5:36 pm
Plan 9 favorite route to the QB seems to be an orbital route. His new nickname is Sputnik.
I don’t know the actual numbers, but it seems to me that he gets a lot of his tackles on back-side pursuit, often behind the line of scrimmage. Too bad he can’t always line up to the back end of the play, since his contain discipline isn’t great.
June 8th, 2023 at 6:03 pm
Send him to Dunkin’ Donuts. For a few dozen a day.
June 8th, 2023 at 7:28 pm
I believe JTS will improve but Nelson is ascending faster after a slow start due to injury early in his career.
June 8th, 2023 at 9:17 pm
If I had nickel for every time this blog stated a Bucs player was right on the verge of becoming something special… Adrian Claiborne, Jonathan Banks, JTS…
June 9th, 2023 at 6:54 am
^^^You’d have 15 cent?
June 9th, 2023 at 9:06 am
JTS looked very close on his pass rush last season Joe. Just a half step late on several occasions.
Holding the edge against the run…Not NFL material. He was consistently out of position faked out of position and or just trucked. Dropping in to coverage I didn’t notice him much.
June 9th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Does everyone agree he is our best outside pass rusher?