Logan Hall The Next Will Gholston?
May 26th, 2023
Bigger = better?
One guy (unless he re-signs with the Bucs between now and training camp) doesn’t appear to be returning to Tampa Bay. That’s Will Gholston.
A fourth-round pick in 2013, Gholston had a nice career. Not a whole lot of fourth-round draft picks last 10 years and win a Super Bowl.
Gholston was sneaky good in the pass rush with pressures and he was damn good against the run. (For those sleuths out there, no player has been assigned Gholston’s No. 92. Yet.)
When the Bucs flipped to a 3-4 defense with Todd Bowles in 2019, Gholston added weight and became a rock on the defensive line. Joe wonders from the words of Bowles earlier this week, if second-year defensive lineman Logan Hall is sort of replacing Gholston.
Per Bowles, Hall has bulked up. Defensive line coach Kacy Rodgers said Hall is pushing 300 pounds.
“The biggest thing is he’s gotten stronger,” Bowles said. “A year in the weight program and a year in the system, he’s gotten a lot better mentally and a lot better physically. Right now, I’m pleased with it.”
Of course, there is no way of telling if Hall has improved in underwear football since there is no hitting allowed.
This Joe has stated several times that receiver Russell Gage was the biggest disappointment last year because the guy was always hurt. Joe’s second-biggest disappointment for Joe was Hall because he seemed to vanish as the season wore on.
Joe wasn’t and didn’t ding Hall because, well, he was a rookie. Joe gives rookies their space. They’re learning.
Still, Hall had a very nondescript impact, if any. Hopefully, that changes.
May 26th, 2023 at 5:14 am
The next Will Gholston … hmm.
Considering where he was drafted (the highest possible 2nd round choice) I’m Expecting much more from Hall. Respect to Gholston “but” Hall should have a far better career, far faster than Gholston was able to get there at the minimum.
Like you said Joe, he disappeared. I’m leaving the judgement for this year. To be perfectly honest, it was a crap show last year ON TOP of him being a rookie and a rookie is really a babe in the woods. Scary to see the supposed heroes look SO human and worse even, lack luster, and probably bickering, back biting, and in fighting going on. Like I said it would be scary and confusing for most anybody who didn’t know to take it with a grain of salt.
I don’t expect that this year and have high hopes he can really focus and maybe even have a good time coming into his own.
May 26th, 2023 at 6:06 am
Greg Gaines is solid too, so I like the chances of a speedier pash rush when Vea takes his inevitable rest.
Hopefully we get another guy who is an Akeem Hicks type though to play the other DL when he is out because Hall with Cancy alone wont cut it.
Not if we wanna stop the run like we did with Suh.
Now if these OLBs and ILBs start producing pressure like they did Whites’ rookie year, that’s a different story there is more than one way to stop the run.
Either way, we need to make teams one dimensional again, and apply pressure.
May 26th, 2023 at 6:29 am
Transitioning to new and younger guys up front is gonna take some time. Gholston’s play really dropped off last year. Maybe he comes back to add depth as a rotational player. And after JPP and Suh just got too old, finding replacements wasn’t going to be easy. Lots of new kids on this team. Let’s see who steps up.
May 26th, 2023 at 6:49 am
i did not like the Hall draft pick when it was made but hope he can play somewhere nearly as good as Gholston did over his career.
May 26th, 2023 at 7:08 am
Another wasted top pick!
May 26th, 2023 at 7:12 am
Rookies get 3 years to develop and show their worth, any expectations for them before that is kind of being unrealistic given every draftee has their own path to conforming/assimilating to the NFL game. Logan Hall is fine, he flashed last season some if you know what you’re actually looking at in-game and not just trying judge him based off a spreadsheet.
I’d prefer to hear we’re bringing Gholston back for training camp tho, I think in terms of vet presence he’s cut from a comparable cloth as Lavonte David in terms of keeping ones head down and letting their play talk for them.
May 26th, 2023 at 7:30 am
Hall is the next unemployed high draft pick if he does not have a good camp. Kancey will show that not all rookies fail to contribute much. Expectations should be there for a high draft pick and that right soon.
May 26th, 2023 at 7:50 am
Geez guys, I am not sure that Logan Hall is going to be a pro bowl player ever, but wasted pick is going quite far at this point.
Only about 20 to 25% of 1st round picks even make 1 pro bowl in their career and those are usually the early, early 1st round picks.
I would actually bet that Logan Hall and Luke Goedeke are going to be solid starters in their career. That is all you can fairly expect from 2nd round draft choices.
May 26th, 2023 at 7:57 am
Even though it would be a top of the 2nd vs 4th round comparison, I’d take a Gholston like performance from Hall…….Gholstion was solid.
May 26th, 2023 at 8:01 am
Been saying this since the day he was drafted – he is not an interior DT except on pass downs
Even at a pumped up 300 he is a penetrating 5tech – WillG was a developmental 4th rounder, Hall was over drafted
May 26th, 2023 at 8:02 am
TBBF: A Gholston-type with a little more pass rush would be good.
May 26th, 2023 at 8:28 am
Gholston took several years to develop…and you expect Hall to be better in his first year. I think Hall has a chance to be a lot better than Gholston…who is a very good player. Hall is long and fast…but needed more strength to hold up in the pros. At least give the guy a year or two before you label him a bust. I remember some guys calling solid lineman… “hot garage” for a year well the guy developed. Hall will be good this year and could be a pro bowl player in his 3rd year.
May 26th, 2023 at 8:35 am
Some guys just need time to make the move from college to pro.
This obsession with 22 year old rookies and then dumping on them when they can’t come in and compete immediately with grown men is stupid.
May 26th, 2023 at 9:02 am
Another draft pick from the sub .500 GM; will the glazers blow up the entire organization including licht if the bucs only win 5 games
May 26th, 2023 at 9:17 am
Hall and Gholston had nearly identical Combine scores across the board. The biggest difference being that Hall’s 40 times was about 0.1 sec faster. If Hall gives the Bucs 10 years of production similar to what we got from Gholston, I can’t really complain. But as a (basically) first round investment I hope he generates more sacks. Gholston’s career high is only 4.5, and he’s produces 1 or fewer four times. That’s fine for a 4th rounder, but I think we all want/expect more from Hall given his draft status.
May 26th, 2023 at 9:20 am
Most O.C will run screens and slant patterns aginst this defense and then run a big back up the middle. This is a very good run defense, however the N.F.L. is a pass first offenses. What do we do we draft a run stopper while everyone else is drafting pass rusher. Hear we are on a hope and prayer at both defense ends.
May 26th, 2023 at 9:28 am
I think more is expected than becoming the next Will Gholston. Hopefully a lot more in the pass rush department.
May 26th, 2023 at 9:32 am
Letsbucinggo Says:
May 26th, 2023 at 7:08 am
Another wasted top pick!
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Sure… like Vea, and Evans, and White, Wirfs, and STFU and try a little harder to understand football.
May 26th, 2023 at 10:07 am
Sure… like Vea, and Evans, and White, Wirfs, and STFU and try a little harder to understand football.
So outside worst Licht is money on top 5 picks is what you’re saying. Not good to have a track record of picking in top 5
May 26th, 2023 at 10:12 am
More like the next Vernon Gholston ( Will’s Uncle I believe ). ComBUSTable.
May 26th, 2023 at 10:13 am
Make that Vernon’s cousin…
May 26th, 2023 at 10:21 am
Licht is good after round 1 too. Ever heard of Godwin? Winfield Jr? And maybe you think they’re overpaid, but the Bucs starting CB tandom both came after round 1. Brate was undrafted. Of course there are misses too, but he’s a good GM with hits high, middle, and late draft, post-draft, free agency, and trade.
May 26th, 2023 at 10:40 am
I’m going to rain on this Gholston parade. It’s a bit revisionist to claim Gholston had a “nice career” or was “sneaky good” based on anything other than longevity.
I would call him “consistent” and leave it at that. Gholston was never anything special other than for celebrating tackles 4-5 yards downfield!
For me, those are entirely too low of expectations for Hall. Just my opinion
The “nice career” is tied to his draft status. Gholston was nearly the last pick in Round 4 and surived five head coaches. Very rare for a player to do that. He was a key piece on one of the best run defenses in history (seriously) 2019 and 2020, and he had a little juice in the pass rush for a couple of years. Agree that expectations should be much higher for Hall.–Joe
May 26th, 2023 at 10:52 am
Gage sux. Kick his overpaid tail to the curb. Gholston would be more productive at WR than that clown. Can’t catch, can’t run routes, and always hurt. Admit the mistake and move on. Trade him for an 8’th round pick. Get rid of the dead weight. Will Gholston has progressed through his entire career. They were stupid to pull the plug on JPP & Suh too soon as well. If Tryon can’t show early dump him too. Again admit the mistake and move forward. And if Devon White loafs at all, plays stupid games or mails it in, cut him too. We still have junk on this team that needs to be culled out.
May 26th, 2023 at 10:54 am
No player gave more sustained effort over the last ten years than Will Gholston. He wasn’t always on the field but when he was he was noticeable because he made plays. He’s a keeper in my book.
May 26th, 2023 at 10:56 am
LICHT HATE?
2x Defending NFCS Champs
1x Super Bowl
More Pro Bowls drafted in round 1 than every NFCS team combined
Only GM in history to return all 22 starters after Super Bowl
If you’re bashing Licht, you haven’t been paying attention.
May 26th, 2023 at 11:02 am
Honestly, Hall didn’t impress me at all.
If he’s as good as Gholston I suppose that’s better than nothing, but I expect a little more than that from such a high pick
May 26th, 2023 at 11:08 am
That’s exactly what we want from a 2nd round pick. The next Will Gholston. Yay.
All sarcasm aside, I hope he’s actually improved and not just a RoJo 2.0 where we just endlessly hype him up for no reason.
May 26th, 2023 at 11:24 am
“I’m going to rain on this Gholston parade. It’s a bit revisionist to claim Gholston had a “nice career” or was “sneaky good” based on anything other than longevity.”
Was drafted as a 4-3 DE, and got better when he was asked to transition to 3-4 as an interior rusher, which mental fortitude to accept that challenge and shows his talent paired with his work ethic to actually be a good rotational player after learning a new scheme as a 6 year vet. Context is your friend.
May 26th, 2023 at 11:30 am
Ask any fourth-round pick if he will last a decade in the NFL if that’s a nice career or not. You might be surprised at the response.
(At least) 10 years for a fourth-round pick is wwwaaayyy above the median.
May 26th, 2023 at 11:35 am
^^^
There are 1st rounders that didnt even last a decade in the NFL and players we drafted higher than Gholston in 2013 like John Banks didn’t even last in the league for half of Gholstons 10 year career. Absolutely correct Joe, and it’s not like Gholston was riding pine, the dudes been a reliable contributor for a long time.
May 26th, 2023 at 1:21 pm
Ask 1st rounder Isaiah Wilson (GGBowzer) how long you last in the NFL. He was drafted the same year as Wirfs.
May 26th, 2023 at 1:36 pm
Whatever… I’ll believe it when I see it.
May 26th, 2023 at 1:51 pm
I completely agree that a 4th round pick lasting a decade in the league is noteworthy. That’s not my point. Gholston will never be mentioned (shouldn’t) as anything but an average DL at best. Consistent? Sure. Game changer? No.
To want to be measured against in terms of production? We need to raise those expectations.
May 26th, 2023 at 2:00 pm
AND…it was not Gholston but Suh who was transformative in that run defense. The entire defense got better when Suh arrived.
…for context! 🙂
May 26th, 2023 at 2:34 pm
a wasted pick ….
May 26th, 2023 at 3:56 pm
Dusthty Rhothdes Says:
May 26th, 2023 at 9:02 am
Another draft pick from the sub .500 GM; will the glazers blow up the entire organization including licht if the bucs only win 5 games
^^^^^^^
The best case scenario is that you’ll go follow a different team.
May 26th, 2023 at 4:37 pm
Dudes a tweezer
There is a reason he was awful his rookie year other than it being his rookie year
May 27th, 2023 at 11:23 am
Logan Hall got bigger!
Now- did he get slower?
May 27th, 2023 at 8:31 pm
Joe in Michigan well said. That guy only knows how to bash JL. If people think he’s. Bad GM then they don’t know anything about football or maybe they’re just miserable. JL BUILDS A TEAM. Brings in ARIANS. keeps building so well that TOM FREAKING BRADY wants to come to the Bucs. Of course he brings is partner in crimE IN GRONK and some friends. AB and we get a Super Bowl. Not to mention 1st team to ever win it in their home stadium and then returns all 22 starters to almost make another run. Yea JL is real bad GM. man some of y’all are just ….