So, What About Guard?
April 22nd, 2023
Guard Luke Goedeke.
Aside from Tristan Wirfs moving/not moving to left tackle, the biggest thing Bucs fans want to know about the offensive line is who is playing guard.
Joe believes (pre-draft) the Bucs are looking for Robert Hainsey and Luke Goedeke to be starting guards with Nick Leverett and new free agent Matt Feiler very much in the picture for competition.
If there is a disconnect between fans and Bucs coaches, it’s Hainsey. Fans were unimpressed with him at center last year in place of injured Ryan Jensen.
The Bucs coaching staff loves Hainsey. When Joe has spoken with Bucs offensive assistants and dared mention that fans didn’t want Hainsey on the field, it was as if you told these men that you had an inappropriate moment with their daughter.
Bucs assistants are triggered whenever they hear someone speak ill of Hainsey. They truly love the guy and everything he stands for: hard work, excellent teammate, a ‘yes sir; no sir’ guy who will bust his tail doing whatever a coach asks.
Hainsey is also a popular guy in the locker room.
The crew over at Sharp Football Analysis did a break down of Bucs offensive linemen. Goedeke and Leverett will be the Bucs’ starting guards, they believe.
In short, a statistical look at Goedeke by Sharp Football Analysis lays out he was awful his rookie season.
His 6.0% pressure rate allowed was the highest on the team last season and ranked 71st among 98 qualifying guards.
In run-blocking win-rates, Goedeke graded out in the 70s among starting guards, which is close to rock bottom.
As for Leverett, his pass blocking stats were not bad.
…Leverett was much stronger in pass protection, allowing just 12 pressures (2.5% of protection snaps).
As a run blocker, Leverett was ranked No. 52.
Joe gives Goedeke a pass. He was a rookie thrown into the fire playing between a hurt Donovan Smith, who had his worst season in the NFL, and an inexperienced center. Not an ideal position.
Besides, anyone remember how Alex Cappa looked overmatched his rookie year, though he barely played and never started. How’d that work out? How’s he doing now?
Yeah, Goedeke needs to learn how to block better and put the tough guy ‘tude on hold until he turns the corner. Nothing is a bigger joke than a guy who acts like an angry biker gangbanger when he plays like a turnstile.
The Sharp Football Analysis crowd did have a word of caution for Bucs fans that is rooted in logic: Brace yourself for the offensive line to be statistically worse Why? With Tom Brady’s quick release gone, bank on many more quarterback hits and sacks.
It appears the folks who habitually stomp their feet and holler night and day about the offensive line will have an exciting fall.
April 22nd, 2023 at 5:39 am
This fan likes Hainsey. Some of the fans on here would talk smack about their own mom.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:10 am
Topdoggie, this fan also likes Hainsey.
With his work ethic he will continue to get better every year and have a long successful career in the NFL.
I like Goedeke as well. The coaches never intended for him to start last season. He was really put into a bad position. Many good
o-linemen would look horrible if you moved them from the right side to the left as was done with him as a rookie.But when Marpet retired, Stinnie and Jensen were injured he was thrown into the fire.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:14 am
I as well, am a fan of Hainsey. His only problem, is he wasn’t Jensen. Many even wondered if he would finish the season.
I also think Leverett might be a solid pick up. Hopefully Jensen & Stinnie return back to form.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:34 am
I have a poor memory these days but I dont recall much ill will towards Hainsey. Wowed em in Mobile predraft as I recall. Abit shaky his first few starts but improved game to game. Got pushed into Toms lap way to often.
Goedeke on the other hand caught a lot of flak. His defense is …Rookie playing against All Pro D linemen on our schedule and B word not giving him any help. Add to that lazy D Smith next to him…yeah that about sums it up. I think they both will be much more solid.
Starting? Who knows. Alot of competition coming in camp! Can I get a Hell yeah!
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:38 am
I think the line will be better this year barring a bunch of injuries again. Jensen is back. Hainsy, Goedeke and Leverett all have a year of experience. Stinnie is back and hungry. Wirfs isn’t hurt and we’ll have a new LT. My guess is Harrison from OKU.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:56 am
Luke Goedeke has shorter arms than Ali Marpet’s.
Marpet’s is 33.375 and Goedeke’s is 32.25.
Arm length matters to the OLINE.
There are NFL scouts and teams who don’t draft an OG with arm length below 33 and OT below 34.
Arm length as a measurable is a proven statistical factor for success in the NFL. Yes, you can find outliers to this, but scouts and teams don’t usually like to go against the metrics.
The NFL defensive lineman who had longer arms than Goedeke were able to get their hands on Goedeke first to often this season.
Cameron Heyword, whose arms are 34.25, destroyed Goedeke and his shorter arms in the Buc’s loss to Pittsburgh. Heyword delivered the first punch and got his hands on Goedeke first and controlled him. This isn’t hating on a player. These are facts and this is just what happened. That’s a major problem.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:19 am
It had nothing to do with Brady’s release. It was all play design. Brady and Leftwich refused to take chances and most throws early in games were at or behind the line of scrimmage. That’s why we were woefully short on biscuits. Predictable and ineffective.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:19 am
I’m cautiously optimistic another year will help these 3 guards grow and possibly improve. What their ceiling ends up being is certainly up for debate.
I do not believe burning another 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick on a guard would be wise. No mid-round rookie is stepping in to improve the situation compared to these guys.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:22 am
The OL will better without lazy Durable Donnie.
Save money and getting better……, it’s a win/win.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:26 am
Guard is the Bucs deepest position.
We have 5 players who have started games vying for 2 spots.
Hainsey, Leverette, Goedeke, Stinnie and the “new guy” Feiler who has more starts than the rest combined.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:30 am
BelleGladeBuc … ‘Arm length as a measurable is a proven statistical factor for success in the NFL.’
I agree with you, but also think that arm length is more of a factor in pass blocking than in run blocking. When All-Pros like Heyward know you’re in a passing situation, they’re really good at teeing off & can make life miserable for any guard with any length arms. Tend to think that what Goedeke (and Hainsey for that matter) needed last season was primarily more ‘beef’ (upper & lower body strength?) to deal with beasts like Heyward (6’5″ & 295 lbs).
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:38 am
To many fans expect to much, to soon. It’s why these players are called rookies, and not veterans. Hainsey did fine being thrown in at center, and let’s face it the offense as a whole was just bad last year. Second year, when the pads first come on we’ll know if these young players have inproved. Same goes for Hall on defense, and hopefully McCollum. Maybe JTS comes on helped by a new position coach. If these players entering their 2nd, and 3rd year come on I dare say we’ll be better than last year.
April 22nd, 2023 at 7:54 am
I have heard very little chatter about fans not liking Hainsey. The consensus seems to be that he is adequate. Not an all pro but not awful either. Think you might be confusing him with Donovan Smith. I mean it’s your site and there has been very little complaining about him here.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:09 am
If I had issues with Hainse’s play on the field, they have already been touched on.”in Tom Brady’s lap” and “more beef” sums it up. He and Goedonkey (thx GF) both have a year under their belt and while that will help with their reaction times off the snap and being more confident on the field, both of them will likely be playing at a new position, with a new OC, new scheme (wide zone if what I hear is true), new techniques,, and let’s not forget a new QB. Lotsa new there, Joe.
P=E/t
From my Laz-e-boy vantage point, it looked like Goedonkey will be fine for this, short arms not included. Hainsey though… I’ll reserve judgement until game 1.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:10 am
Don’t discount stinnie
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:23 am
Yeah, well.
Goedonkey may be a lot of things. One thing he is not is a guard. Cappa was not good his rookie year. Rookie Cappa >>>>>> Rookie Goedonkey. The Goedonk is lacking in football strength. But at least he’s not too bright, so he’s got that.
Stinnie >>>>>> Goedonkey.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:23 am
I give Goedeke more of a rookie pass than Hainsey. Hainsey had worked snaps at center prior to Jensen’s season ending injury. The glass eater otoh got thrown in on the wrong side and was decimated not by lack of strength but because he was stuck in his head trying to get the techniques and muscle movement sequences along with the weight transfer and then exerting the required force. His subsequent pwnage by the defensive lineman was due to the slight hesitations between movements adding up to a turnstile.no flow; no Goedonkey.
I believe JL can pick good offensive linemen and therefore I still think both Goedonkey and Hainsey can make the grade. Hopefully, this year.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:27 am
Abucaway- hopefully Licht will add competition from the draft an FA, and we’ll see. I like your very detailed explanation about strength vs technique, and you were elegantly concise. Thank you!
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:28 am
Hey GF I actually like that Goedonkey name for this kid. I realize why you coined it lol but I remember growing up on a ranch in west Texas and we kept donkies with the cattle herds because they absolutely hate coyotes and wolves. They went apesh!t a number of times and left them doggies lying in the dirt. Same with this kid, if he can get good enough to keep them defensive wolves at bay, he’ll have earned the name ina complete manner of speaking.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:30 am
This is the first I’ve heard that fans don’t like Hainsey. In fact everyone I’ve talked to feel quite the opposite! They like and trust Hainsey a lot. It is Goedeke that the fans are worried about.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:31 am
I think Goedeke will be given the opportunity to win the RG job. The Bucs believe he has the strength and attitude to be effective as a guard. The question is whether he will get better at technique/hand placement, etc. but the Bucs have developed guards before so it could happen. I think Hainsey is the favorite to start at LG and he is smart, solid, dependable and coachable. Hopefully he continues to put on weight and get stronger so that he can anchor better than last year.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:38 am
Totally depends on the blocking scheme. If they’re going to ask the guards to get out and run, then Hainsey will be fine. I’m assuming that will be the case if they’re switching to an inside/outside zone running scheme.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:42 am
The question is how the Bucs grade him I think with the new scheme of this is true and we will do a lot of running them Leverett won’t win that job. Give him a chance at right tackle lol
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:47 am
If we would have gotten those picks right we would have made some noise last year.
Luke and Robert are at best back ups
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:52 am
Goedeke was a ( shorter armed ) “reach”. Licht may have thought he’s the next Marpet and jumped into the 2nd round to get him. That’s where the similarities end, unfortunately.
Goedeke fancies himself a tough guy…having “won” against undersized D-Lineman for mid-majors. He got abused by NFL caliber guys with technique and toughness of their own. Marpet was humble, worked hard ( even at ill-advised center) and dominated players like Aaron Donald.
Let’s see how he responses in Year 2. Hopefully he realizes he’s in big boy football now.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:53 am
I like Goedeke because he is supposed to be a Glass Eater
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:55 am
I’d like him better if he could move the DT off his spot
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:08 am
OL is no where near the top of my concerned list for the coming season.
Sure it going to need some upgrade but IMO it is more than adequate for the passing and running game
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:12 am
I thought Hainsey did well.
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:13 am
One thing for sure, these young men need to pick up their play. Hopefully the new OC schemes will work for them. I sure like the idea of running and passing from the same spread look. Should be interesting and with some early success, entertaining!
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:18 am
I didn’t read all the comments I apologize if it was said already but to your point Joe doesn’t having Jensen back at Center automatically upgrade the performance at guard. Last year Goedeke he was playing next to a center who was learning the position. I personally think we are set at guard with the competition at hand and the return of Jensen which will make both players next to him better.
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:18 am
Guys we had the worst run offense in the history of the nfl
We ruined Brady’s last year due to him not having time.
We need every position except right tackle
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:25 am
You know the old saying “If you have 14 guards, you don’t have any”
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:44 am
ABucAway – the Goedonk hopefully turns it around and then it’s perfect as you say. Would love to pour back a few bevies and hear stories from the ranch. A good bud of mine grew up on a farm and some of the hardest laughs I’ve ever had were his farm stories!
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:46 am
TBBF nice old saying. LOL.
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:59 am
@Defense
Arm length in football for OLINE is a foundational metric.
Hard work and being a great teammate don’t overcome genetics.
Heyward’s genetics give him 2 more inches than Goedeke.
In hand fighting on the OLINE two inches is huge.
If a player such as Heyward has a genetic advantage before the ball is snapped that is huge.
Yes, Heyward is a Pro Bowler as are the Chiefs Jones and Packers Clark and Falcons Jarrett, who all destroyed Goedeke.
Unfortunately Goedeke struggled against the Saints Oneymata and Tuttle, the Packers Gray, the Panthers Brown, and all of them destroyed Goedeke this season as well and they are not Pro Bowlers.
OLine pass blocking arm length is huge, and in run blocking it is still very important.
Goedeke is like a heavyweight boxer with less arm length than his opponents.
Ali, Klitchsko brothers, Frazier, Lewis, Fury, Holmes, Foreman all dominated and had the advantage of a superior punch reach in a vast majority of their fights. Tyson is an outlier in the fight game with his short punch reach.
He might be a great guy and a hard worker, but that doesn’t change how Goedeke played last year, which was very badly.
For a second round pick in TB12’s Last Dance that’s unacceptable, especially considering the Bucs traded up in the draft to get him.
Ed Ingram, whose measurables are similar to Marpet’s and he was a multi year starter against SEC talent at LSU, was selected the very next pick after Goedeke.
Guess which player drafted in the second round played better against NFL defensive lineman last year?
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:00 am
With Tom Brady’s quick release gone, bank on many more quarterback hits and sacks
Mayfield is mobile- Brady was a statue
Plus a running game under Canales will keep DLines from automatically teeing off on the QB
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:01 am
Sorry, but I have to counter the “Sharp Football Analysis” statement “With Tom Brady’s quick release gone, bank on many more quarterback hits and sacks.”
Mayfield can move (no clue what Trask can do) so the Bucs won’t have a statue standing back there, let alone a statue that was afraid to get hit so he (Brady) chucked the ball as fast as he could, whether a receiver was open or not (plenty of incidences of a wide open receiver not even being looked at). You can’t go through progressions when you are slinging it that fast.
Add to that the fact the Jensen is back (hopefully in a form that is close to his former self) and you have a far better anchor in the center. That makes playing guard substantially easier.
The Bucs only real question mark is left tackle. They have more guards than they’ll hopefully ever need. I’m not sure why the “new guy”, Matt Feiler, isn’t considered a very strong candidate to be a starer.
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:18 am
Agreed ScottyM
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:27 am
I’m starting to think the Bucs should draft more than one offensive lineman next week.
#19 – OT – D. Jones or A. Harrison
#50 – OG – C. Mauch or J. Tippmann
#82 – TE – S. Laporta
This would hopefully fix our offensive line for the next 4-5 years.
I am not overly impressed with Hainsey or Goedeke or Leverett or Stinnie. They are all below average and appear to be backups at best…
Feiler is a one season rental.
If we are building this team for the future we should get this line fixed now – it takes a few seasons to fully develop lineman.
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:30 am
Not to mention Jenson is turning 32 and returning from a bad knee injury…
Get the O-line fixed now and it will pay huge dividends next season and beyond.
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:34 am
Great job, Belle, with your analysis and research, and I tend to agree with you. Those T-Rex arms will continue to be a problem until he adjusts his technique to overcome the length deficit he will encounter almost weekly.
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:40 am
I think Wirfs will move to the left. This is a best case scenario as we can get a better RT in the 2nd than a LT, enabling us to go BPA in the 1st.
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:54 am
Rookie O-linemen struggle more often than not. They get the NFL strength and conditioning program and usually get better, especially small school guys like Goedeke. The coaches love Hainsey because he can play up and down the interior and is very coachable. Sometimes smarts matter, even in the Not For Long
April 22nd, 2023 at 10:56 am
“Quick Release” is a double edge sword. However, I love the fact the “Good QBs” its call a Quick Release and Young QBs or “struggling” QBs its called impatient and dumping the ball off too much.
April 22nd, 2023 at 11:56 am
Wow, lots of rumors that the Bucs are trying to trade Devin White for Trey Lance of the 49ers.
April 22nd, 2023 at 11:56 am
Man belleglade give it rest you are one of guys think he is the smartest in the room. We have all herd the arm length thing before.
April 22nd, 2023 at 11:58 am
The offensive line is built for the number 1 pick in 2024 duh even I can see that
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:02 pm
I’ve got faith in Coach Gilbert to put Goedeke and the roster of our guys in line to compete for the 3 open starting gigs to the test this offseason. Lots of competition on the OL this offseason, and I’m looking forward to what Goedeke does wherever he lines up. The kid got plenty of valuable time in his rookie year, good and bad he’s coming into his first full NFL offseason with that platform to build on. Same for Leverette and Hainsey.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:04 pm
I’ve been a big fan of leverett since he lined up against Von Miller at RT when Wirfs was hurt. He’s absolutely a starting caliber lineman. He needs a shot on the right side- guard or tackle.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:08 pm
I am a fan since the Bucs first game ever. I have seen the good and bad. This year will be the ugly. The Big Ugly. No matter it is fun anyways. Draft BEEF for next year. Maybe they can go from worst to first.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:17 pm
BelleGladeBuc … Excellent analysis. Appreciate it. Tend to think that Goedeke had 4 major things going against him: (1) Switching to LEFT Guard; (2) not having the technique or strength as a rookie to deal with the pros like Heyward on the other side of the line; (3) predictable play-calling didn’t help to keep the DLine guessing; (4) not having any real ‘help’ on either side of him. Put it all together & it appears that he was unfortunately in way over his head.
Went back & relooked at the Bucs’ 2014 & 2015 OLines and can see some similarities to what we faced last year. The 2014 team finished 2-14 with a terrible offense (#29 ranking). Oline was relatively new (in terms of playing together) … T Collins/Cousins; G Mankins; C – ED Smith; G Omameh; T Dotson. BAD experiment. Licht then drafted Smith & Marpet, and Bucs almost totally reworked the OLine (again) in 2015: T D Smith; G Mankins; C Hawley; G Marpet; T Cherilus. Results were actually better (#20 ranking) despite all the new members. I believe that a big part of the reason was was Mankins (and Hawley & Cherilus) being there to help out the rookies. HOPEFULLY we get a similar result this season (with Jensen & Wirfs as ‘the old heads’), but I still anticipate that it’ll take all the new ‘pieces’ awhile to gel.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:30 pm
One way to cut down on quarterback hits and sacks is to have a potential kick arse running game. Throw in Devin White and the first round draft pick and move up and take Bijan Robinson.
OK. Teams don’t value a running back like they used to. However, Bijan Robinson is a generational running back. His Think Colts’, 49ers’s and Titans’s offenses.
Just a thought.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:52 pm
I have no issue if Bucs draft OG as long as they solve issue at LT. Spend 5 or 6 picks on OL, DL and edge.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:54 pm
So, some suggesting drafting OG because they’re unimpressed with Goedeke and Hainsey… displaying an intolerance and impatience that would be no different with the next guys… So suppose they draft another guard. Outside of a first round pick, what do you suppose you get? Maybe you get lucky and find a guy who’s plug-and-play, or more likely it’s a guy who takes a year or two to develop — basically what we have in Goedeke and Hainsey…. So, you’ll be intolerant and impatient again, and calling for drafting another guard the next year. The cycle of b!tching never ends with some of you.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:54 pm
Have Feiler and Goedeke compete for right tackle and draft Torrence to play left guard by Wirfs.
April 22nd, 2023 at 12:59 pm
@Woodenman
I listed facts.
Heyward, Jones, Clark, Jarrett, Oneymata, Tuttle, Gray,Brown, destroyed Goedeke this season. Some are Pro Bowlers and some are not. All dominated Goedeke.
What part of that do you dispute?
This is the NFL. Performance matters. The NFL doesn’t care if you’re a rookie or a veteran. All they care about is performance. Anything else is an excuse.
What part of that do you dispute?
For the OLine arm length is an extremely important metric. There’s a reason why NFL teams measure it for the NFL Draft. Goedeke’s arm length is 32.25, which is much shorter than the 33 arm length that NFL scouts and GM’s want for a OG.
What part of that do you dispute?
You don’t have to be the smartest guy in the room to know that Goedeke was a horrible reach as a 2nd rounder who the Bucs traded up to get.
2nd Round draft picks, especially 2nd round draft picks that you traded up for, are expected to play immediately and contribute positively immediately.
None of this is smartest guy in the room kind a stuff. It’s just common football sense.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:11 pm
We need a center/guard like Steve Avila. Plug and play. Find a left tackle too. Get BEEF. This will set up next year after…The Big Ugly of 23.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:21 pm
@Coroner,
Right there with you. If you can get Bijan in the first round you take him. You don’t pass up a generational talent in favor of a lesser talent filling a need. Get right tackle in the second round and a guard later on.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:25 pm
Hopefully Tampa trades back in all first 6 round draft picks, so we can have around 18, 7th round draft picks.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:26 pm
BTW, One draft grading source rated Bijan higher than any back in the last five years. That included Saquon Barkley who was picked second in 2018.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:50 pm
Bucs should draft an OT AND guard. I like a lot of the players competing at both guard spots pre draft. But you still NEED depth and development.
Need to draft a guard to develop with higher upside than the current guards on the roster. And an OT that can play at NFL average opposite of Wirfs or compete with Goedeke direttly.
April 22nd, 2023 at 1:54 pm
RG is Robert Hainsey
LG will be a battle with the favorite to start being Nick Leverett, followed by Aaron Stinnie, then Luke Goedeke
Goedeke will likely be the reserve fill-in for both guard spots. Not a great look for a 2nd rounder. I much preferred Bernard Raimann. But still nothing but love for Licht. No one bats 1000.
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:04 pm
If we need to draft another guard we have big problems. The Bucs have too many real needs…why replacing players that are just starting to develop. The Bucs need an OT, CB (for the slot), LB (if Devin holds out), S (for depth), Edge (if Shaq does recover), RB, TE (That can block and catch), and DL (Depth).
I believe the offense will be much better this year. The play calling last year was BAD. The defense didn’t even need to study tape to play the Bucs. Everyone knew Byron only called about 4 plays all year and they could almost bank on 1st down run up the gut. Unless we had 5 all pro line…it wasn’t going to work. So, play calling will be a major upgrade. On top that —O-Line on life support (injuries) and Brady was off his game because of the divorce.
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:12 pm
We need a T, we enough bodies at G. I see Goedeke and Fieiler winning the G spots. I still have hope in Goedeke – he at least has the strength and mass. It’s more his technique and speed he needs to improve. Leverette is a damn good backup.
I think Hainsey is a weak link. After years in the league now, he still hasn’t developed NFL strength. He may be smart as they come, but he gets pushed back on nearly every play. He’s the opposite of a people mover. I actually think he’d make for a better swing tackle, because he does have decent mirroring ability and movement skills.
With that being said if we’re truly moving to a wide zone scheme, we’ll now be asking our oline to be more mobile, lighter, work as a cohesive unit instead of a helmet on a helmet. Hainsey actually send to fit that scheme, so maybe there’s hope for him.
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:15 pm
We have more than enough candidates for the guard spots, and most are still young and developing players. No need to give up on those guys when tackle is an obviously greater need. I’d rather see us draft 2 tackles before drafting a guard. I predict a tackle drafted day 1 or 2, and a center drafted late.
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:23 pm
Cappa wasn’t just bad in his rookie season, he was TERRIBLE in the preseason of his second year, and many a people in the comment here were calling him a bust and saying the Bucs needed to cut him. Then, everything clicked, and he was fine.
Licht has the chops where you assume whoever he picks is going got be good. Luke is a small school player who was changing positions and was thrown into the fire, so people would be very stupid to write him off since we’ve seen story before. At the same time, sooner or later, Licht is going to wiff on someone, and maybe this is it. But Licht gets the benefit of the doubt, which means I assume Luke is going to still work out. If he does, be it at guard or tackle, then fantastic, you didn’t bust on a 2nd round pick, and you got at least a solid starter.
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:46 pm
Mayfield can move, Brady cannot. The offense will improve
April 22nd, 2023 at 2:59 pm
Big ugly trench guys. OL, DL. Missing teeth. Noses with warts. Carrying trees around type guys. Like 4 of them. And Edge, doesn’t necessarily need to carry a tree. And an ILB, TE, safety, CB, maybe an undrafted FA QB, some bottles of single malt, couple peyote buds, lots of Xanax and a new head coach.
April 22nd, 2023 at 3:11 pm
Joe,
Why did you not mention Aaron “Stunner” Stinnie in your article?
Team has more than enough C and G. Need T and D line help + LB to eventually replace LaVonte David and DWhite.
April 22nd, 2023 at 5:54 pm
We don’t have back-up Center outside of Hainsey, if he starts at G,
and Jensen were to go down he’ll probably be pulled away from the guard spot and be center, but if Hainsey goes down we’re screwed. Wouldn’t think C is off the board, or on the list of reasons to use one of our six day 3 picks to try to get an additional day 2 pick. Tackle can be addressed in multiple day 1 scenarios and we’ll for sure sign an entire OLs worth of UDFAs.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:30 pm
Geodeke gets a pass because not only did he go from tackle to guard but he switched sides.
April 22nd, 2023 at 6:48 pm
A center is definitely a possibility in round 5-7. They had a guard from Oklahoma in for a top 30 who projects as a center. He may be a UDFA. Chris Murray.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:08 pm
Sasquatch – for late round center, keep an eye on Juice Scruggs from Penn State
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:21 pm
This is why Ive been pushing Avila so hard for so long….he can play G, C and RT.
Snag him and let the new one year rental and Goedeke play RT and RG, Avila at LG beside LT Wirfs plus be our back up C (or bu RT if needed), Lev our back up LG, and Hainsey our bu RG or starting RG and Goedeke our bu RG.
One guy, Avila, a swiss army knife will allow us to focus on other holes we need to fill also.
April 22nd, 2023 at 8:47 pm
I think Marinebuc is the guy who needs to rate our Olineman.
Marine Buc Says:
April 20th, 2020 at 9:59 am
I disagree. I totally respect Tony Boselli’s opinion and he had a great career. However I would place Becton at #4. I agree the guy is a physical talent and can block out the sun with his build. However I think NFL level pass rushers are going to eat him alive. His pass blocking technique needs a ton of work and we are not going to have a pre-season this year.
If he falls to us at #14 that’s fine but I would rather have Wirfs, Thomas or Willis in that order.
April 22nd, 2023 at 9:38 pm
I’m a fan of Hainsey. Who did you speak with lol? Do a poll!
April 23rd, 2023 at 7:16 am
Im in there pushing for Wirfs too…I’d say a month or so before the draft…
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