Kyle Trask And Catchable Passes
April 10th, 2023
Intel from One Buc Palace.
So who will win the battle of Kyler Traskfield? Bucs brass will have you believe the new leader of the Bucs is fully unknown at this time.
Well, if new Bucs offensive coordinator Dave Canales has something to say (and he very much does), could third-year Bucs quarterback Kyle Trask have the edge over free agent signee Baker Mayfield?
If it means how receivers catch footballs, perhaps.
Albert Breer of SI.com was poking around last month’s NFL Annual Meeting (nee: owners meetings) and it seems he heard from Bucs types that Canales is telling folks inside One Buc Palace he likes the throws Trask makes.
Incoming OC Dave Canales said to his new colleagues that he loves what a catchable ball Trask throws and how easy he makes it on receivers.
Here is a little truthful nugget to add intrigue to this window of knowledge from Breer: Seattle always found ways to get the most out of their receivers.
When is the last time Seattle didn’t have a quality receiver? Yet they’ve never drafted a guy in the first round in the Pete Carroll era and never really spent a ton of Microsoft stock on free agent receivers.
And yes, Canales grew up as an NFL offensive assistant in Seattle, including eight seasons as receivers coach.
Is Trask the Bucs’ starting quarterback come September? Well, that’s a long way away. Seattle’s success under Carroll with its receivers and Canales being a big part of that, got raised Joe’s antennae after hearing this tidbit from Breer.
Of course, if Trask cannot get the ball to his receivers, it doesn’t matter how catchable the passes are.
April 10th, 2023 at 5:35 am
The last sentence has me befuddled. If a QB can’t ‘get the ball to his receivers’, how would his passes be considered ‘catchable’?
Sounds like Trask shouldn’t be packing his bags just yet.
April 10th, 2023 at 6:23 am
I am so sick of Canales already and this unearned hype Bucs fans are putting on him. Dude has zero wins in the NFL as an OC. ZERO. Nada. Donut.
Prove it. Until then all these fan boys can take a seat in the back and wait your turn, if you even get one.
April 10th, 2023 at 6:33 am
Canales asks the Bucs to bring in a one-year QB while he gets Kyle ready for 2024.
April 10th, 2023 at 6:40 am
we will see quick drop backs and short passes ,and rolling a pocket to help the qb and to help a developing o line
April 10th, 2023 at 7:03 am
Will Trask be the next greatest Buc QB that never was?
April 10th, 2023 at 7:04 am
Well, ya gotta have at least 3. Preferably one who’s done it before
April 10th, 2023 at 7:08 am
Anyone who’s actually watched any tape on Kyler Trask in college knows that he has excellent touch on his throws that seem to drop right into the arms of his receivers – they don’t have to go through fantastic gyrations to catch the balls he throws. His high ratio of TD to INTs is a numerical indication of that, along with his completion percentage.
Now obviously the NFL game is much more challenging for quarterbacks than college ball due to the speed of defenders, both rushers and pass defenders. But the point is you can only judge a quarterback against his peers playing in the same game, and he was best in the nation his senior year in passing yards and TDs and TD/INT.
April 10th, 2023 at 7:09 am
Excuse the added “r” on Kyle’s name – thanks, JBF for putting that in my mind! LOL.
April 10th, 2023 at 7:22 am
Do not forget Trask scored 8 rushing TD’s also , so when it is goal line offense Trask is not afraid to stick his nose in there and score a few with his legs.
April 10th, 2023 at 7:46 am
The touchdown Trask threw to Garreth Sterns against Miami last preseason comes to mind when thinking about what Canales is mentioning by “catchable” throws Trask makes. It’s only one rep, and the rest is a mixed bag, but I’ll take this as a “tale of the tape” in terms of the competition for QB. Kyler Traskfield is hilarious btw, good job Joe.
April 10th, 2023 at 7:48 am
What’s up with the mocking “Traskfield”
April 10th, 2023 at 7:49 am
All I am saying, is give Trask a chance. 🙂
April 10th, 2023 at 8:31 am
I feel comfortable with Mayfield. I feel comfortable with Canales. Therefore if Trask is the opening day QB I’ll be comfortable with the decision and comfortable with Trask.
I do not see the offense as a major problem. They’re not going to carry the Bucs but they can hold up their end. I believe the Bucs are a playoff team. How far they get depends on what emerges from that bowl of stew that is our current defense. The Bucs D could be very good, or like last year very mediocre. The offense is not a problem but it can’t carry a mediocre D. OTOH if the D really jelled and guys had career years they could carry a mediocre offense.
April 10th, 2023 at 8:41 am
I don’t feel comfortable with Bowles, I don’t feel comfortable with Mayfield and I damn sure don’t feel comfortable with Trask.
April 10th, 2023 at 8:52 am
I rely on people who have seen Trask play in the NFL at bucs practices and all of them have relayed that he is not very good in the NFL at least in practice. I love my Gators but you also have to remember that Trask was not going to play QB for the Gators at all, he only got that shot when Franks destroyed his knee. Trask made the most of his opportunity at UF; just like I wanted Jaboo to be the great Tampa QB, I do hope that the next QB for the bucs takes them to the playoffs
April 10th, 2023 at 9:01 am
All I ask is let them have a fair competition. What’s wrong with letting the best QB play. If Licht promised Baker to be the starter he shouldn’t be a GM.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:05 am
5-12 if you want to be a miserable bastard, do it in your own time. The reason people are (gasp, someone having a optimistic outlook, how dare they!) experiencing excitement (something you should look into) is because the last guy in the OC job was the worst, and this guy is almost without a doubt automatically an upgrade. Does that explain it for you you blackholyness?
April 10th, 2023 at 9:08 am
Yeah, I guess a balloon ball is pretty easy to catch. For receivers and DBs alike.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:09 am
JaMiss was also known to have a “receiver friendly” ball, while leading the league in interceptions.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:26 am
Ohhh boy and RaY of sunshine Goatfuc*er is ready to piss on cornflakes this morning too smh.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:29 am
Props though goat, trolling on fsu uf fans in one post is talented
April 10th, 2023 at 9:36 am
Make it a truly fair competition. So long as the chosen starter actually earns the spot, I’ll be satisfied.
I don’t care if it is Baker, Trask, or another option…if that player is deserving of the role.
I don’t actually believe Baker can win an honest competition, but if he does I’ll back him. Although I still do not believe the competition will be fair.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:37 am
Goatfarmer Says
“JaMiss was also known to have a “receiver friendly” ball…”
Would you mind sharing a link to that?
April 10th, 2023 at 9:50 am
Joe says: “if Trask cannot get the ball to his receivers, it doesn’t matter how catchable the passes are.”-
Trask was drafted because he’s a big guy who can throw the deep ball.
Fits the no risk it no biscuit offense.
He probably hasn’t seen the field yet because the speed of the NFL is overwhelming him.
He’s good when he has plenty of time, not so good under pressure… based on his Florida playing days.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:53 am
I played tight end for a while and despite the coaches telling all the recievers that if they can get a hand on the ball it should be a catch…Thay also told the QB not to fire missiles from 5 yards away! Even the GOAT occasionally threw passes on a rope that he didn’t need to… Guess what his wonderful recievers sometimes couldn’t haul them in! Happened alot this past year when Brady was uhder pressure.
So catchable ball is indeed a thing! And one of the reasons QBs and recievers need time together working on such things is timing. In the NFL the ball being on time is everything for QBs and recievers! Brady was getting some of his recievers blasted with late throws.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:58 am
Traskfield – the hybrid competition between Mayfield and Trask. I coined this phrase weeks ago, glad to see it’s catching on, LOL.
April 10th, 2023 at 9:59 am
Alanbucsfan
Not many NFL QBs are consistantly good under pressure.
Brady was one and look what happened last year. Draft a Left Tackle!
April 10th, 2023 at 10:18 am
“Can do” Canales with be performing not only the OC role…but animated male cheerleader also. This ends well…
April 10th, 2023 at 10:22 am
@Dusthty Rhothdes
Despite your “sources” He still has thrown less than 10 passes in a real game while throwing to whats his names behind a crap offensive line with you know who calling plays.
April 10th, 2023 at 10:25 am
Bonsai, it’s well known and links are all over the place.
Here’s Mike Mayock, who probably knows more about it than you or I.
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said, “The thing I like about Jameis Winston is that he throws an extremely catchable ball. He has all the arm strength you’d want, but he makes it easy for the receiver based on the route. “
Now stop being a d-bag.
April 10th, 2023 at 10:26 am
Also, watch him in game action. Or don’t.
April 10th, 2023 at 10:35 am
To the half dozen or so who constantly float this view— why the f*** WOULDN’T Trask get a fair chance at starting? Because we’re paying Mayfield a couple more million per year?
April 10th, 2023 at 10:45 am
The question is does he like the catchable ball Hendon Hookers passes, mmmm!,,
April 10th, 2023 at 10:47 am
But this begs the question, why didn’t Bucs go after Kadavius Toney when he was available from the Giants, knowing Trask was in line to play this year, would have given him some familiarity and the Bucs some much needed speed. But I guess TB12 may not have wanted him
April 10th, 2023 at 10:50 am
The final starting lineup still has to go by the Bowles cleaner.
Unless Trask breaks the internet because of how good he is, Mayfly will start.
The Bowles cleaner will be the reason. Offense scares him so he wants “experienced” players.
The big question is in how long Mayfly will start. If the O-line is shaky he will get less time. Mayfly is a pocket passer with the bad habit of running around.
His running around is a bad habit because that is when he throws the most interceptions.
April 10th, 2023 at 10:50 am
DRoks … thanks
April 10th, 2023 at 11:09 am
Defense Rules … Last sentence
The Bucs don’t have an offensive line (just 2 legit starters). If the QB is always under duress or on the ground, then it doesn’t matter who’s under center.
April 10th, 2023 at 11:17 am
Put Norm Snead under there.
April 10th, 2023 at 11:35 am
Trask or Mayfield. I think we can all agree that great QB play won’t be a thing associated with the Bucs this year. We’re going to have to be a top 10 run team and a top 10 defense to be successful. The division does suck though, who are we supposed to be scared of 63-79 Derek Carr, a yet to be drafted rookie or the vaunted Wing-T offense of Atlanta?
April 10th, 2023 at 11:49 am
Agreed BAs pen, and I know the Bucs are supposed to suck this year, but wasn’t Seattle and the jets picked to be terrible last year, and Bucs, Broncos and Rams were supposed to be good last year? So to say the Bucs will definitely be bad this year is really just absurd, you don’t know.
April 10th, 2023 at 11:56 am
Goatfarmer says: put Norm Snead under there
Lol, Milt Plum
April 10th, 2023 at 12:20 pm
GOAT tears are delicious
April 10th, 2023 at 12:43 pm
SlyPirate … Anyone’s guess at this point, but I think our OLine will be better this year than last year. Wirfs & Jensen can hold their own, and we’ve got a number of OLinemen who got some decent experience last year (Hainsey, Goedeke, Leverett, Walton, Mochon) plus we have Stinnie also coming back. Add a top round draft pick (hopefully) and we SHOULD have some decent talent.
Might be wrong here, but the situation last year seems to be similar to what we faced in 2015 when we drafted D Smith & Marpet (we had an inexperienced OLine IOW). We went 6-10 that year (with a rookie QB), but improved to 9-7 in 2016. That seems about right for the #18 offense & #15 defense. Would love to see us get similar (or preferably better) results this year. Time will tell …
April 10th, 2023 at 1:20 pm
Trask was a big Peyton Manning fan, modeled his game after him and attended his camps. You can tell by trasks often wide stance, ball flight and accuracy. He’s not manning but there is some similarities in his motions.
April 10th, 2023 at 3:03 pm
TRASK IS YOUR STARTER.
They’re not handing the reins to a 1-year deal underperforming QB that if he has a great year he’ll go elsewhere in Free Agency and sign a big contract somewhere else.
It makes ZERO sense to start Mayfield until Trask has started several games and flips.
Bucs have almost no shit at a deep playoff run this year, so going with Mayfield doesn’t make sense.
April 10th, 2023 at 8:27 pm
Alan — Milt Plum! Yeah!
April 10th, 2023 at 9:55 pm
I was shocked when Joe finally found a positive article to post on Trask but I was wrong at the end;when Joe says”
“Of course, if Trask cannot get the ball to his receivers, it doesn’t matter how catchable the passes are”.
Joe, I can’t wait to see what you would write when Trask actually beat Baker or replace him as a starter.
April 10th, 2023 at 11:00 pm
That means he’s come a long way from last summer and props to him for that if it happens. You must remember Joe applauded Jason Licht for picking him.
April 11th, 2023 at 9:37 am
Come on Joe, I know you have to keep the Trask loyalists interested but Baker Mayfield is the starting Quarterback for the Bucs come the regular season. There is no real competition no matter what the Bucs say.
April 11th, 2023 at 10:36 pm
Does Baker win the QB fight? Almost certainly yes. A better question is: How long of a leash should the Bucs give Baker before moving on to Trask? What do Bucs fans say? Myself, I think if Baker drops two games below .500 at any point in the season, it’s Trask time. If Trask is called upon, I hope he’s ready. He may have to do his best Brock Purdy imitation just to stay with the Bucs next season.
April 12th, 2023 at 9:43 pm
I WANTED THE BUC’S TO DRAFT BOTH THESE QUARTERBACK’S IN THEIR RESPECTIVE DRAFT YEARS..IF IT’S AN HONEST COMPETITION, EITHER ONE IS CAPABLE OF BEING THE STARTER..THEY WILL BOTH BE LEARNING A NEW SYSTEM AT THE SAME TIME..IT’S GONNA BE ONE HELL OF A COMPETITION IF IT’S A FAIR COMPETITION..BOTH GUYS ARE VERY TALENTED & VERY HUNGRY TO WIN THIS JOB !..GOOD LUCK TO BOTH OF THEM & MAY THE BEST MAN WIN THE STARTING JOB !