Is Calijah Kancey A Referendum On Logan Hall?
April 27th, 2023
Bucs DL Logan Hall.
So three years in a row the Bucs have drafted a guy who will put his hand in the dirt along the Tampa Bay defensive line.
The third was taken tonight, University of Pittsburgh defensive tackle Calijah Kancey at No. 19 overall. Joe doesn’t think that speaks well for the guy drafted last year, defensive tackle Logan Hall.
Remember, the Bucs signed young veteran free agent defensive tackle Greg Gaines in March. He was a quality starter for years with the Rams and certainly has accomplished more than Hall. So where does that leave Hall? Is he the new fourth defensive tackle, a significant backup?
It was somewhat ominous in early January when Todd Bowles said Hall needed the weight room desperately.
Joe is not writing off Hall, but he’s a project as an edge rusher, and now he’s probably the Bucs’ No. 4 defensive tackle. It’s great to have depth at that position, but it doesn’t feel good for last year’s first overall pick in Round 2 of the NFL Draft.
And if you were hoping William Gholston would return for his 11th Bucs season, that just became a super longshot.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:50 pm
Logan Hall can still contribute. The great thing about defensive lineman is that can rotate them all day long. You can never have enough guys who can get after the QB.
Just look at the Eagles. They had the best D-line in the NFL last year and had 70 sacks. Didn’t stop them from taking a risky character in Jalen Carter.
Hall needs to develop, but this is not a team that’s built to win right away. We have a ton of holes, including the biggest hole a team can have at the most important position.
We will suck next year. Book it, but I’m optimistic that Licht can turn it around and build a contender as early as 2025.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:50 pm
Switch to a 4-3 and it all makes sense, as Hall and JTS should be 4-3 ends, and Kancey should be a 4-3 DT.
In any case teams play tons of nickel and dime, so you’re going to have a ton of 4 lineman fronts – and rookie defensive lineman rarely do much, so when we have a new coach next year they can formally switch to a 4-3.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:54 pm
Logan has always been Will G’s replacement – but he needs 20 more pounds
He probably gets 10 this year and 10 more next
He will get pushed around in the run game but make the occasional splash play
1 more year for him to develop fully
April 27th, 2023 at 10:57 pm
Voice of Truth Says:
April 27th, 2023 at 10:54 pm
Logan has always been Will G’s replacement – but he needs 20 more pounds
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He needs 20 more pounds IF you play a 3-4. But in a 4-3, he’s pretty much the perfect size already.
But Hall does have the frame to put on a lot of weight since he’s 6-6. He was very much a developmental player coming out of Houston, and defensive lineman rarely do much their rookie year, so I wouldn’t take much from his first year.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:57 pm
This kid is explosive as hell on the inside. Great pick.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:58 pm
Hall played great in college….I wanted him in the 2nd…..but something must’ve went wrong somewhere….sometimes they get that money and then half arse it.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:58 pm
We lost 3 DTs, Nacho, Hicks, and Gholston. We did pick up Gaines, but do the math Joe, we’re still down two. Why do you make adding much needed help on the D line a chance to throw shade on Hall? This was just a good pick, says nothing about Hall.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:59 pm
Also bye bye Akiem Hicks. Let’s get younger
April 27th, 2023 at 11:01 pm
Not at all. He going to play all over the line. The Bucs needed to replace all the DT they lost in FA and chose not to resign.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:02 pm
Hall I think is quicker than Vita. So on rush downs you have Hall and Kancey with speed pushing the pocket or you line Kancey outside. His tape shows him lining up outside and running stunts. I don’t think it’s anything negative on Hall
April 27th, 2023 at 11:02 pm
@mad max
It’s not at all for players, especially trench players, to struggle as rookies and bounce back and become ballers in year 2 or 3.
Hall still has a ton of potential and his career is far from over.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:03 pm
More of a Referendum of licht and past 2 drafts
April 27th, 2023 at 11:03 pm
Hodad Says:
April 27th, 2023 at 10:58 pm
We lost 3 DTs, Nacho, Hicks, and Gholston.
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Hicks and Gholston were DE’s, not DT’s.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:03 pm
Solid pick PFF had him ranked #25 overall. Interior pass rushers are hard to find.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:03 pm
It was his first year. Let’s give him a chance. He flashed, though not nearly as much as we would have liked.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:08 pm
I think he’s gonna play de kamcey. Hall idk he reminds me of a will gholston type in a 3-4
April 27th, 2023 at 11:09 pm
Maybe more of a look back at missing Suh last season. Needed more beef in the middle and got it, hopefully.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:14 pm
Ummm… Did John Lynch when he took over the Niners, not draft a D-Lineman in the first round 4 years in a row?
April 27th, 2023 at 11:19 pm
Hall was hyped as a 3tech when his skill set is clearly a 5 tech.
Kancey is a true 3tech.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:20 pm
If Hall reports to training camp and he hasn’t bulked up he end up being the new nacho backup
April 27th, 2023 at 11:20 pm
Different type of player. They both have their place in subpackage defense.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:35 pm
Hall looks like Bozo the clown.
Cut your hair and make some plays young man!
April 27th, 2023 at 11:36 pm
Kancey is the reality that we’re not getting back Suh or Gholston. Gholston may not have been a disruptive tackler/pass rush threat, but Suh was, and before Suh that was Gerald McCoy. Vea is a force of nature, but not exactly a pass rush threat, so getting Kancey to be the next Suh makes sense.
My problem is that Offensive Tackle needed a starter, and we whiffed on the chance to get a certainty with Anton Harrison. I have no idea who the Bucs should focus on in the Second Round (Cody Mauch, is that the name?).
April 27th, 2023 at 11:37 pm
Hall will be the Gholston replacement, Kancey replaces Suh.
Who the hell replaces Donovan Smith at OT, though, remains a problem.
April 27th, 2023 at 11:52 pm
He isn’t a 4th DT. We play in a 3-4. Kancey and Hall on the ends with Vea in the middle for the next 10 years. Hall and Kancey move inside on pass rushing downs and shaq/nelson or JTS on ends 4 man pash rush passing downs
April 28th, 2023 at 12:01 am
Even if Logan Hall made himself known last year as a real NFL player, this is a good pick.
But, yeah. Logan Hall might be running the scout team under center. He surely has shown he sucks at whatever it is he was supposed to do last year.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:09 am
Kancey is NOT a referendum on Logan Hall, but nice try.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:09 am
So, the JL loving Joe-Joes really is saying is that JL is horrible at drafting players. he had 1 good season when free agents wanted to play with brady but can’t draft worth beans. Just say it already. JL needs to go.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:15 am
We blew our last two high d line picks
April 28th, 2023 at 12:17 am
Another two candidates for Simple Jack 2 make themselves known.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:20 am
Kancey profiles as a pass rushing specialist on the inside. Not a 3 down player but a ton of upside. There were some other options on the board that made sense (Kincaid, Harrison and Smith notably) but Kancey has rare pass rushing traits and could be a good player in any defense.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:24 am
Any time someone is comparable to Aaron Donald coming out of college that is a good pick
April 28th, 2023 at 12:40 am
When you win a Super Bowl, and then win 14 games, you don’t really get a good shot at a guy like Kancey.
Licht probably was trying to appease Bloweszo with JTS and Lurchgan Hall.
But this cat, with all the run on QBs and skill players — is a gift. More to come. Kudos to JL for snapping him up and not derking around by trading down to still get him. . No one was willing to trade up to the Bucs because everyone (including me) thinks Will Levis sucks balls. They knew we weren’t drafting that scrub.
April 28th, 2023 at 12:49 am
Hall will & should be cut before Sept….he’s neither shown anything -nor done anything….
April 28th, 2023 at 12:56 am
captivajim Says:
April 28th, 2023 at 12:49 am
We’re lucky you’re not the GM.
April 28th, 2023 at 6:46 am
Logan Hall was our top pick last year and has been a major disappointment. Maybe a year in the system and getting stronger will help him but what are the Bucs doing? Somewhere along the line we are missing on D-lineman with the exception of Vita. Look at JTS. Sure he can be flashy and shows the natural ability to get after the passer at times but there is no consistency. This is a front office problem on player evaluations and it isn’t a good look.
April 28th, 2023 at 7:16 am
Drafting one player is never a “referendum” – whatever the hell that is in football, where there is no voting – on another player.
Anybody who thinks that having quality depth on the defensive line is not important does not realize that D linemen typically play less than 60% of the snaps, because they tire out quickly rushing the passer. Having strong performers still relatively fresh in the fourth quarter is how a team wins those closely fought games in the fourth quarter and in overtime.
Whether Logan Hall contributes more this next season than last, we’ll see soon enough. One year is never long enough to judge any draft pick. Pass rushers in particular tend to need two or three years of experience to hit their peak performance in the NFL.
April 28th, 2023 at 7:23 am
Not at all. You need about 8 defensive linemen on a roster. Three or four play together on the field at the same time. Like a team.
April 28th, 2023 at 11:24 am
I don’t think the people writing Hall off understand how the defense works.
We have a NT… Vea
We have a 5 technique… Hall
Now we have a 3 technique… Kancy
Three different players to play three different positions. And yes… they all offer versatility.
Aaron Donald and JJ Watt both played 3 technique in Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense and excelled. Maybe some of you take some Football 101 classes and brush up because with every word you type, you expose your lack of football acumen.
April 28th, 2023 at 2:29 pm
Im not sure what the Bucs think of Hall at this point. I dont think they made the pick based purely on Hall, regardless I think DL is a need and they took a player high on their board. With Gholston, Hicks and Nacho moving on (potentially the former), and Barrett recovering from a major injury, they need help. One cannot have enough d linemen. Just look at the Eagles they already have a very good line and they just added two more in the first round.