Analyzing Needs
April 5th, 2023
Bucs chatter.
X’s and O’s analyst Mina Kimes of BSPN has thoughts about the Bucs and Joe is wondering if fans share her thoughts.
Kimes, in her podcast, decided to look at the needs of every team in the draft, which is three weeks from tomorrow!
At the 27:18 mark, Kimes began breaking down the Bucs’ roster.
QB: Like many, Kimes is not sold that Baker Mayfield or competing Kyle Trask is the answer, though she suspects the Bucs will ride with one of the two this fall. “No. 1 is quarterback, but I don’t know they will actually try to get a quarterback,” she said.
LT: Kimes actually thinks the Bucs may bring back Donovan Smith if he’s healthy, and for a much cheaper price. He is still unemployed. “Even if they got Donovan Smith back, they should try to get a left tackle.”
TE: The Bucs are thin at tight end. “They only have Cade Otton.”
Safety: Kimes’ podcast was published before the Bucs signed Seattle safety Ryan Neal. “They lost Mike Edwards.”
ILB: Kimes also thinks Lavonte David on a one-year deal and him being 33 means planning for life after David should happen later in the draft.
Joe thinks Kimes is fairly spot on but Joe would add running back (not in the first round, short of Bijan Robinson). Joe’s not throwing in the towel Rachaad White but Joe’s not sold on him. Besides, this is a deep draft for running backs.
At quarterback, Joe would be cool if the Bucs pulled the trigger on Hendon Hooker. Otherwise, it may be better to wait until next year.
Joe would applaud a left tackle because it checkmates the Bucs from moving Tristan Wirfs to left tackle. Let the best right tackle in the game be!
Kimes finished her segment on the Bucs saying she knew Tom Brady was retiring when she saw him throwing to Ko Kieft.
April 5th, 2023 at 6:37 am
Mina and Laura Rutledge make me forget about football every time they’re on screen.
❤️
April 5th, 2023 at 6:54 am
Still waiting on that DeSean Jackson story you guys promised to talk about after his career is finished.. let’s hear it
Nobody promised anything other than when Joe got permission to share it from a key party involved, then Joe would share it.–Joe
April 5th, 2023 at 6:57 am
The Bucs #1 need is a competent head coach
April 5th, 2023 at 7:19 am
JBF makes the off season pass by quick. I never used to know all the things that go on all year round.
April 5th, 2023 at 7:23 am
Jack clark just won the internet. NICE!
April 5th, 2023 at 7:25 am
I actually agree with her…..I like the idea of top TE…..we need a OT and another S….
April 5th, 2023 at 7:34 am
How did she knew tom was gonna retire by throwing to Ko kieft?
April 5th, 2023 at 7:43 am
Left tackle Right tackle doesn’t really matter take the best tackle available say you don’t pick a qb this year and next you select Michael Penix hes left handed so now your right tackle now is doing a left tackles job. Left or Right if your truly an exceptional athlete you can play both.
April 5th, 2023 at 7:46 am
Why are so many so obsessed with having a starting QB who was a Top 10 pick? Bucs have had that. Testaverde. Dilfer. Winston. They were all marginal. Now they have another, who has been on 3 teams in the last 19 months.
They won a SB with a 9th Round pick and another with a 6th Round pick.
Stop chasing draft guru overhype at QB.
April 5th, 2023 at 7:54 am
New owners
New Gm
New HC
New attitude from the fan base , demand excellence!
Reject anything less than excellence and honesty addressing the fanbase
Team is broken down on the side of the road with two flat tires and the management and local “journalist “ are saying look over there
April 5th, 2023 at 8:57 am
LV with his typical Crayola comments:
New owners? They would have to sell first. Silly comment on its face. Owner’s own two super bowls. Own, not rent.
New GM? Not happening. Anytime soon anyways. Have you not read the comments from the owners you revile about the GM?
New attitude, demand excellence and reject anything less than. Care to explain how a fan base demands excellence? I suppose you’re going to boycott the team? Because I can’t think of anything else. Then you’d have to get about 100,000 of your closest friends to follow suit, assuming they agree with you which of course is highly unlikely.
Team is broken. Really? Because we didn’t win the super bowl? Because if not that I’m not sure what you mean. Yes, it’s a team in transition. Obviously. Any third grader would understand why. Teams in transition don’t immediately revert back to the team pre-transition.
They need to build back. Which is what we are doing. Salary and cap considerations. New players at positions. What is it about all this that you don’t understand exactly? But lucky for you, there are 31 other teams vying for your fandom. Good luck.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:00 am
007 enabler of mediocrity
Keep on slurping on
April 5th, 2023 at 9:03 am
Joe isn’t sure you know how much of a compliment that is. Thank you very much. And remember, if not for readers like you who come often, this site doesn’t exist. Joe has never lost sight of that.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:08 am
@Teflon Don Joe has said previously we’ll see Desean Jackson story break when the source is no longer a Buc employee. Could be next year…. could be 10 years. We’ll just have to wait.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:09 am
Don’t know who that is.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:11 am
I would absolutely bring back Donovan Smith if he’s willing to work for $3-4M and compete at LT with a drafted rooking or LG with Hainsey. But only after the draft where I would try and draft two LT’s or a LT and LG. The only LG I would draft is Voorhies from USC. I would draft two LT and move one inside.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:16 am
Ought to be able to get Vorhees *real* cheap since he’s got a blown knee and won’t play until 2024.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:17 am
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April 5th, 2023 at 9:30 am
Joe Says:
April 5th, 2023 at 9:17 am
Don’t know who that is.
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When ESPN started preaching ideology, I stopped watching so there are not many of their on-air personalities I know unless they are former players.
I used to have my tv permanently parked on ESPN. Now I avoid that network unless there is a sporting event I want to watch.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:31 am
I like Mina. Did she say something? Oh, yeah. She forgot EDGE.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:31 am
In other words, we need everything.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:32 am
Mina will be looking for a job super quick when these ESPN cuts come knocking; the NFL show she is on reminds me of the one that Kenny Powers joined and it never meshed. That Sal pal Jaworski show they had back in the day analyzing teams was money
April 5th, 2023 at 9:37 am
LV, thanks for playing. I had predicted a meaningless non-comment after I actually laid out meaningful rebuttals. Carry on.
April 5th, 2023 at 9:42 am
Yeah only thing she missed I think is edge. We def need a pass rusher. Just a lot of question marks right now. RB would be good later too
April 5th, 2023 at 9:49 am
OT, Safety, TE??? Who on the roster is our dominant edge rusher??? Maybe that might be a BIG need? Top 3 most important position on an NFL team, IN ORDER: QB, Edge, Left Tackle
The Bucs have a “bandaid” QB, and if we have to, Wirfs can move to LT, but we do NOT have an EDGE rusher
April 5th, 2023 at 9:53 am
Joe doesn’t watch BSPN either. But he also knows who she is!
April 5th, 2023 at 9:53 am
Need something that can rush the passer too, not someone who is one step away at the end of the day.
April 5th, 2023 at 10:36 am
@ ocala
Same here bud. The house I grew up in had ESPN on the tube 24/7…
Now there isn’t a single member of my family that will watch ESPN unless a football game is on.
I wonder how much of their audience was lost by Walt Disney turning it into CNN.
April 5th, 2023 at 10:37 am
Sources — plural. And Joe is waiting on those guys (there are two currently) who no longer are in their current jobs (one is not employed by the Bucs) Joe will spill the beans. Although one of those sources probably wouldn’t care if Joe told the story.
April 5th, 2023 at 10:38 am
Only time Joe watches that outfit is for football and college basketball games. Joe won’t see a minute of it (unless he goes back and watches a recording of Bucs chatter) until Labor Day weekend when college football resumes.
Think about it: Their target audience during the day is the unemployed. Dudes that can’t find work. So they dumb down the programming as a result which are the hollering shows.
April 5th, 2023 at 10:41 am
Signing Ryan Neal will take a little pressure off the draft…
1- OT
2 – Edge Rusher
3 – BPA – WR, RB, TE. OG, CB
April 5th, 2023 at 10:43 am
If she’s soon to be unemployed, she won’t be waiting long for a job. She’s a free agent later this year pretty sure. FOX and NBC have already been pestering her agent. BSPN isn’t going to cut a young woman who resonates with their target demographic. She makes the Mouse House money.
She may leave BSPN but she won’t get cut.
April 5th, 2023 at 10:45 am
@ Joe
“Their target audience during the day is the unemployed. Dudes that can’t find work. So they dumb down the programming as a result which are the hollering shows.”
Good point.
It can’t be going that well for them the last CEO was fired along with a slew of employees. I hope it goes bankrupt soon. Maybe Elon Musk will buy it and turn it back into a sports channel – LOL!!!!
April 5th, 2023 at 10:46 am
1-OT
2-OLB
3-OG
4-7 BPA
April 5th, 2023 at 10:51 am
“Think about it: Their target audience during the day is the unemployed. Dudes that can’t find work. So they dumb down the programming as a result which are the hollering shows..”
LMAO this is funny because my job actually has ESPN and FSN1 on in all 3 break rooms around the clock. It’s wrong because there are hollering shows on all day, ESPN is globally known and we live in a world where people also work around the clock. Worked 3rd shift at one point in my 20’s and watched ESPN on my way to sleep for the day, but go off Joe you got it figured out lol
April 5th, 2023 at 10:58 am
Jack Clark Says:
April 5th, 2023 at 6:57 am
Robert Says:
April 5th, 2023 at 7:23 am
For repeating the same pointless crap every day? Really?
Winning the internet should be for originality and cleverness. Neither are evident in the continuous Bowles bashing. It takes a 5th grade intelligence to repeat negativity over and over again.
April 5th, 2023 at 11:00 am
@Marine Buc
I am with you!
Seems like if your company is losing customers, market share and money you would re-evaluate what you are doing to get it going in the right direction, but usually media companies ignore logic and basic business practices.
April 5th, 2023 at 11:07 am
Coach Yoda told me about Mina: “The obvious, firm grasp she has”. I guess her podcast is a summary for people to catch up on other teams. Doesn’t sound like she added much for us here.
April 5th, 2023 at 11:12 am
Mina Kimes is one of the few sane, smart voices out there who is an “outsider” (non-former player or coach).
I agree that Otton needs competition at TE. I’m hoping he develops a great football IQ like a Gronk or Kelce. Not that he can be at their level but be able to read defenses pre-snap and improvise to find the open spot (in sync with the QB seeing the same thing of course). Know where the other receivers are going, where the coverage is likely to flow, etc. How many times do you say “How the hell is Kelce so wide open?” It’s not blazing speed or quickness. It’s what’s inside his helmet.
There are still many holes to fill and the O-line needs to be a priority. Last year we had a solid #1 in Lenny and a solid #2 in White but the line and play calling held them back. Lenny is going to be hard to replace and I miss him already. Great 3 down back and fumble-proof. It’s a rare combo. Like Joe, I don’t know yet how much I trust White to be our #1 RB. As a fan, I’m pulling for him to be great.
Secondary and edge rusher are concerns and I’m curious to see what new LB coach can do with JTS and others if we don’t get a gem in the draft or FA. And speaking of new coaches, hopefully our RB coach can help White and others with ball security.
I expect the offense to be more motivated and focused (to start the season at least). Last year you could feel the frustration and lack of focus on that side of the ball. It started when we lost players in the off season then Jensen in camp and the hits just kept coming and the coaches had no answers.
My prediction is another division title and 10 wins. Yeah, I’m a freaking optimistic but somebody has to be. Lol
April 5th, 2023 at 11:25 am
“My prediction is another division title and 10 wins. Yeah, I’m a freaking optimistic but somebody has to be. Lol”
respect, and if you look at our batch of opponents next season we’ve got a really manageable slate of opponents including the rest of the NFCSouth, so the optimism might be justified. Much better for perspective than listening to the copy & paste complaints of grown adult men.
April 5th, 2023 at 11:40 am
Dooley Says:
April 5th, 2023 at 11:25 am
“My prediction is another division title and 10 wins. Yeah, I’m a freaking optimistic but somebody has to be. Lol”
respect, and if you look at our batch of opponents next season we’ve got a really manageable slate of opponents including the rest of the NFCSouth, so the optimism might be justified. Much better for perspective than listening to the copy & paste complaints of grown adult men.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Agreed.
April 5th, 2023 at 12:00 pm
“Joe Says: Think about it: Their target audience during the day is the unemployed. Dudes that can’t find work. So they dumb down the programming as a result which are the hollering shows.”
That’s what this site is like, too. 😛
April 5th, 2023 at 12:46 pm
Ha! Actually it’s a distraction for people at work. 🙂
April 5th, 2023 at 2:45 pm
Wirfs is athletic enough to switch to LT and dominate. Guessing but I think they think they’ve thrown plenty of draft capital at the O Line with Wirfs, Hainsey and Goedeke. Same with the edge/De with Tryon and Hall. R1 safety, R2 TE, then some people in the trenches. Guesswork
April 5th, 2023 at 2:59 pm
I believe many retired ppl frequent this site, too.
I know many fans do not like preseason games, but they used to be my claim to fame. In my circle of friends at the time, we had a ritual. After the preseason was over we each picked one team that would be in the Super Bowl. I was right 100% of the time except for one year when the Vikings went undefeated all year and then lost the division. This went on, year after year. My friends could hardly believe it. I moved to AR from Tampa, my friends were gone and I lost my moxie so I stopped doing it. However, last year when the Bucs lost every single preseason game, I knew the writing was on the wall. I am looking forward to seeing if this year they can win at least one. That would at least make me look forward to an entertaining season.
BTW, in case you missed it, the mildly entertaining movie “80 for Brady” is showing on Paramount+.
I also loved Steven007’s post.
April 5th, 2023 at 5:14 pm
Can’t imagine us bringing back Donovan Smith – I mean, we finally just got rid of him. Hard pass on Ol’ Cement Shoes.
Just focus on a couple of OL players in the upcoming Draft and move on.
April 5th, 2023 at 7:46 pm
comment on ko kieft meant what?
April 5th, 2023 at 9:22 pm
Maybe she meant Ko Kieft was drafted as a blocker as he had something like 7 total receptions over his college career. Brady normally ignores rookies and minor WR’s/TE’s targeting only his top receivers. Perhaps Brady threw to Kieft to give Kieft a “memory” of catching a Tom Brady pass in an NFL game…..
Personally, I hope they get Kieft in front of a Juggs machine and have him catch 500-1,000 passes a game and coach him up as a receiving TE. Ko has soft hands and could blossom into the Cam Brate end zone/3rd down target role with the added bonus of being a much better blocker. Go Ko! Love that guy! He’s like a 2023 version of Mike Ditka!
April 5th, 2023 at 10:23 pm
Ko needs Koaching.
Seriously. If he had a koach o a coach instead of a coich or a quoich, he’d be further along. Minnesota had a 3rd grade offense when he was there. Lots of upside for the big fella.
April 5th, 2023 at 11:43 pm
She is correct but as far as biggest needs in the first couple of rounds, D line has to be there specifically edge rusher.
OT
Edge
TE
RB
WR SPEED
LB
QB can wait until next year
April 6th, 2023 at 11:54 am
Pass rush and at least one explosive player on offense. Bowles won’t allow Canales to scheme any big plays, I would think. Bijan or Smith-Njigba, maybe.