The Art Of Negotiation
March 13th, 2023
Ransom for Lamar Jackson fluid?
Per NFL rules, if the Bucs (or any team) wants to get former MVP quarterback Lamar Jackson, the team that wants him must cough up two first round picks because Jackson is under the non-exclusive franchise tag.
That doesn’t stop a team from signing and trading a player.
Follicly-challenged Billy Barnwell of BSPN notes that the Bucs and Crows — if the Bucs chose to do so — could make other arrangements to ship Jackson to Tampa Bay. Barnwell believes players, not draft picks, would interest Crows coach John Harbaugh more.
What would a deal look like? If the Bucs wanted to avoid sending two first-round picks to the Ravens for Jackson, they could include a significant player by adding Godwin, which would help create cap space at the cost of losing a star receiver. At 27, Godwin would be worth more than a first-round pick in a possible trade, but it likely would take Godwin and a first-rounder to get Jackson to Tampa.
Well, here is where Joe is against such a trade. Joe believes Chris Godwin (and Mike Evans) would be a draw for Jackson. Getting rid of Godwin would be losing a valuable poker chip.
Jackson has never had the targets to throw to like the Bucs have. Those targets are one reason Tom Brady came to Tampa Bay. They would be a reason Jackson potentially comes to Tampa Bay.
Joe would rather ship two first-round draft picks to Baltimore for Jackson than one first-round pick and Godwin.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:02 am
There are a few QB’s worth that price, he is not among them imo
March 13th, 2023 at 8:06 am
I would rather pass on Jackson. Bad move for the Bucs.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:08 am
The sad thing is the majority of the people saying he’s not worth it are the same clueless people that are more than happy to run the incapable Kyle Trask out as our starter and guarantee a return to the dark days in Tampa
March 13th, 2023 at 8:12 am
LJ is dynamic. Look at his record and qb rating. He had little to zero wr, andrews is solid at te.
Two ones is a steal. Look at our ones under JL. LJ keeps us on the big stage, prime time, relevant, young, creative, and an nfc contender. Keep CG, give up the picks. He won’t get 250 mil. Maybe 200. That’s the price for a good or better qb. No way is there an LJ in this or next year’s draft.
We’ve had two franchise qbs since inception and let them go, Williams and Young. TB was a rental. LJ is a franchise qb. They are rare, get one for two ones. Then playoffs and those one aren’t that great anyway.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:13 am
Godwin will never be the same player he used to be pre-injury……I thought last year we’d see atleast the old Godwin preinjury…….but we haven’t and sadly, his explosiveness is gone…..and that is what made him so good in and out of his cuts.
Trade Godwin for a first round draft pick and NOT for Lamar Jackson or any other free agents this year……not worth it IMHO.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:15 am
Make the deal, the season ticket holders deserve it.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:16 am
If we had the money for Jackson AND the money to sign some of our FAs……it would be worth considering….but we don’t.
LVD, Dean, SMB, Edwards, Neal, Ryan, Nelson, RNR, Gholston, Hicks…..plus at least one vet QB…..kicker & sign our 8 draft picks (7 if we signed Jackson)
THE MONEY ISN”T THERE FOLKS
March 13th, 2023 at 8:19 am
Too much compensation for the Bucs. We are already struggling to be competitive with our cap problem. Something like that would set the Bucs back another couple of years. Sasquatch please tell theses people for 18th billionth time it want fix under the cap unless you cut some of our top players
March 13th, 2023 at 8:19 am
To put it bluntly, this is a rebuiling year….plain and simple.
People think we’re going to make splashes or waves in Free Agency…..and no…this won’t happen because we gotta build for contention in the next 3 years……yup, I said it….3 YEARS from now this team will be ready again…but not this year or next year.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:20 am
Licht can’t draft for sht anyway so may as well get a proven commodity with those picks instead of watching him blow it again and again.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:23 am
Anthem, Godwin looked pretty good to me near the end of the season. And don’t forget how we played him. Primarily in the slot in quite often catching those ridiculous wide receivers screens at the line of scrimmage that never gained more than three or four yards. Most athletes return just fine from ACLs these days, and some actually improve like AP did a few years back. In year two post injury I have no doubt that he will be just fine.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:24 am
Bringing Jackson to Tampa would be electric, but the NFL is firmly against giving out fully guaranteed deals so unfortunately unless Jackson drops his price on guaranteed money, no team is going to make him an offer. It sucks for him, but the NFL owners want to make it so that Deshaun Watson’s deal is an anomaly even though the norm for years has been that the market gets reset when the better QB’s become FA’s.
So now we get to watch garbage bum QB’s play for us instead of a real weapon.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:24 am
If anyone against going all out for Jackson man you really don’t know anything about football. Dude is generational talent look what he don’t for the Ravens who had no Wr for him.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:29 am
Barn-ill may be the dumbest maroon referenced on this site.
LJ isn’t coming. Period. He’s fantasizing, and most of us have better fantasies.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:33 am
If/WHEN Jackson blows out a knee, how good a pocket qb is he?
March 13th, 2023 at 8:33 am
@Reality_Check
How do you f’n know that BS?
March 13th, 2023 at 8:35 am
@Rand
Probably because Trask hasn’t even earned the backup job in his 2 years on the team. Not even allowed to wear his pads on game day, it’s sad.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:44 am
@Walter
I’m sorry if you can’t seem to fathom the real reason. You just don’t want to accept any reason because you’re a hater or you just accept everything reporters say as truth. That’s what followers do that can’t seem to make rational decisions for themselves. Stick to just being the occasional fan because you suck at retaining knowledge beyond your scope.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:49 am
He can’t stay on the field. Why are we even talking about this? A move like this would hurt the Bucs way more than help. Why would you pay all that money and waste draft picks to have a guy sit on the sidelines?
March 13th, 2023 at 8:51 am
@Rand
Way to say a lot without saying anything, little guy
March 13th, 2023 at 8:53 am
LOL…
Baltimore has no intention of getting rid of Jackson. All they are doing is setting his co$t.
Besides, is not the conditional tender/franchise tag only good for one year? Then you have to do a deal for the guy again. and if he decides to go elsewhere, you’re out two first rounders.
March 13th, 2023 at 8:54 am
Bucs need a bail out.
March 13th, 2023 at 9:06 am
DO IT! Clear the cap space idk how just do it. Please!!!
March 13th, 2023 at 9:07 am
Automatically the best QB in the nfc outside of possibly Hurts. MAKE IT HAPPEN
March 13th, 2023 at 9:09 am
Yea uh no, can’t gut the team for one man. Jason Licht would not give up Godwin, the offense was already struggling and without a first rounder can we really replace him
March 13th, 2023 at 9:10 am
terrible idea… you’re better off giving up two first round draft picks. You won’t get a receiver like Godwin at 19th, and if all goes to plan, Jackson makes you win so you’re only giving up a mid 20’s to 32nd pick. Again you won’t get anybody near Godwin’s ability. Half the first round picks are busts anyway.
March 13th, 2023 at 9:10 am
I would not trade Godwin straight up for Jackson.
And this crap about collusion is funny. Maybe it’s that the guy can’t finish a season and at times looks befuddled. As far as the Deshaun Watson contract, every other owner is laughing at Cleveland. They paid record money for a guy who can’t keep his unit on his trousers. He was not ever worth the money.
March 13th, 2023 at 9:10 am
His style of play means he will spend more time scratched as he gets older. No thanks.
March 13th, 2023 at 9:11 am
While I love Mike Evans it’s time to trade him and clear up more $$$ and get something in return which I would hope would be a great value like a No. 1 pick. Would rather trade Evans than Goodwin.
Having said that, trading or making a play for Lamar is so intriguing because of three things –
1) he is an elite player/QB and instantly the most exciting player in Bucs history
2) something like 45-16 as a starter in this league = PROVEN WINNER
3) Will put butts in seats at Ray Jay
At first I was against going after him, mainly bc I didn’t think it was possible. I mean how would they do this? But it is possible. Risky, as his last two seasons have proven. Do I think it will happen? No. But picture him in a Buc uniform for the next 5 years… certainly better than Carr, a rookie in Carolina and the current ATL situation.
Is LJ worth a Mike Evans and a No. 1 pick? Or 2 No. 1 picks? The draft is a complete crap shoot any way you look at it. Look at what Carolina JUST GAVE UP to move from 9 to 1? No guarantees in a year where there is NO ELITE, GENERATIONALQB. So two 1s or Evans and a 1 for LJ is worth it if you can sign him. IMO
March 13th, 2023 at 9:17 am
“The sad thing is the majority of the people saying he’s not worth it are the same clueless people that are more than happy to run the incapable Kyle Trask out as our starter and guarantee a return to the dark days in Tampa”
It’s funny cause it’s kinda true. People are saying he’s not worth it, because us Tampa fans can’t relate to drafting a QB that’s gone 45-16, won an MVP, or gotten us to the playoff every year we’ve had him on his rookie deal lol. It’d be like me shopping for a private jet, like bruh all the sh*t expensive af for me to understand how valuable to me it can be outside of the obvious reasons.
March 13th, 2023 at 9:19 am
Just
Freakin
Stop
This
Nonsense
March 13th, 2023 at 10:08 am
You guys that want Jackson are high! He’s always injured so let spend everything on one player. People on this board never shock me with their ignorance. This isn’t madden.
March 13th, 2023 at 10:18 am
No thanks. Price is too high, money and draft capital, for an average quarterback that wants to run for a thousand yards.
March 13th, 2023 at 10:22 am
Lmao y’all buc fans worried about money now but wasn’t when Brady was here lmao you guys are some backward fans. Lamar is a top talent former MVP a true baller we should be on hands and knees for Lamar
March 13th, 2023 at 11:28 am
The bucs don’t have the money to snig Lamar Jackson this is click bait!!!
March 13th, 2023 at 11:36 am
Awesome qb but costs as much as the risk. Not saying hes not the answer but I say give Mayfield a shot at it.
March 13th, 2023 at 12:13 pm
Outside of Tom Brady when has this organization had a legit QB? I don’t care about the finances let the front office worry about that…The NFC doesn’t have a bunch of heavy weights right now…Lamar Jackson would be exciting to watch and make us a legit contender. Saying that, I understand he has missed 10 games the last 2yrs and is asking for a fully guaranteed contract. So buyer beware is in full effect…but going into the land of cross your fingers I hope this QB works out sucks and almost never works out!
Go Bucs!
March 13th, 2023 at 12:34 pm
are you high just stop talking about the cancer Lamar Jackson he is not worth it.
March 13th, 2023 at 3:16 pm
The reason you’d give up Godwin, instead of a 1st, is that the Ravens would just match the offer. The reason you’d overpay is so that the Ravens would take the trade. There’s no way the Ravens are giving up Lamar for two later 1st round picks.
But all the Lamar stuff is meaningless since the Bucs aren’t going to make a move like that, it’s back to pre-Brady loser mode for the team where they value lottery tickets more than players. Plus, with this awful coaching staff, they’re not going to win anything. Finally, the Ravens are only letting Lamar test the market so he can get what he thinks is his best deal, so then the Ravens can match it, since they couldn’t get a deal done. This is one big show by the Ravens to let Lamar know he doesn’t have the value he thinks he does. But also, everyone knows the Ravens are just going to match any offer they make, so they’re not going to waste a lot of time on this, which, in turn, means Lamar isn’t going to get that huge deal he thinks he’d get.