Where Will The Spinning Quarterback Wheel Land?
February 23rd, 2023
So yesterday, Bucs offensive coordinator Dave Canales sure gave the impression the Bucs are building their new offense around current backup quarterback Kyle Trask.
Of course, there was a catch, Canales noted. Trask is the only quarterback on the roster for 2023. Currently.
Let’s just say Cody Benjamin of CBS isn’t sold on Trask. Knowing Bucs coach Todd Bowles doesn’t want to rebuild and also knowing if Bowles doesn’t win this year, he’s walking into unknown territory, Benjamin is convinced the Bucs could still win the lousy NFC South if they sign a quality veteran quarterback.
You know the names. Benjamin has his eyes on Derek Carr or Jimmy GQ or Geno Smith wearing a Bucs uniform. Joe would be a little surprised if the Bucs got Smith. Seattle will likely fight to keep him if their not planning to draft a quarterback with their No. 5 overall pick. Carr may be too expensive. Perhaps Jimmy GQ is, too.
How down is Benjamin on Trask? He lists Trask as the NFL’s No. 82 quarterback. For those counting at home, that’s the rock bottom of Benjamin’s rankings.
(Don’t get “this Joe” started on Andy Dalton. If you’re going to tank — #CollapseForCaleb — fine. There’s no reason to pay to tank.)
Other quarterbacks Benjamin has higher in his rankings than Trask include Brett Rypien (57), Trey Lance (61), Malik Willis (62), Jeff Driskel (65), Trace McSorley (66), Josh Johnson (76) and Blaine Gabbert (80).
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:04 am
Kendon Hooker
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:12 am
Even Mayfield would be far more exciting than some rookie!
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:15 am
I wonder how he had Geno Smith and Brock Purdy ranked before last season.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:17 am
Trask looked good with weapons in college. Dude has earned a shot to see what he can do.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:23 am
I’m actually concerned this team will be too good with Andy Dalton. What do I mean by that? We could win 8-9 games, win this weak division, just to lose in the opening round again and get a bad draft pick. Is that what we want? I understand Bowles wants a winner for his job, but Licht should be thinking big picture and see what we have in Trask, potentially letting him fail for a 2024 high draft pick and a new QB. It’s science.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:28 am
Forget Gino, Carr or Jimmy Q. The Bucs should bring in Baker Mayfield. I believe there’s a good chance we’ll do well with him. And he should come cheaper than the ones mentioned above. Imho.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:35 am
play trask….bowles only wants a QB who can hand off …no biscuit no more !!!!
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:35 am
Benjamin obviously watched all of Trask’s college snaps at Florida.
Locks on to the primary forever until there is no time to go through any other progressions. If he were to start, everyone would be wishing for Mike Glennon. Who is still available, for those of you advocating the Tank, there’s a deal for you.
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:01 am
Its no longer Blowes, its Canales and what he wants (step in Glazers)…and think for a minute we just might be seeing our future HC…dont play with me, yes Im going there….you think he dont want it?
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:04 am
Cody Benjamin ………….Now there is a guy I follow and trust. 😂
Really Hope Trask gets his shot. Pretty sure he is looking to make More people pull feathers from their teeth.
We can’t afford anything more than a Andy Dalton or so. Bring him in let Trask compete. Imo, he is ready for a shot.’
To all of you clairvoyants out there notice that I said Imo?
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:08 am
Cant afford anyone past 3 mill….whoever you are, step right up….my guess is Dalton….losing season anyways while we figure it all out, PLAYERS too.
Either you’re on board or you’re not.
Times have changed!!!
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:15 am
“Times have changed!!!”
So many fans don’t want to believe that but it is True! Imo
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:17 am
Joe Says:
Comprehension is apparently a problem for Joe. I watched the presser and apparently saw a different one than D3Klemperer did.
Canales EXPLICITLY said they were not building an offense for Trask, He did indicate that the offense he was bringing is something that is adaptable to different types of QBs and Trask could operate in it.
Unless you’re quick to jump to conclusions (no, not Joe!) you did not assume that Trask is the presumptive starter, only that he’s the only option to talk about at the moment.
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:25 am
^ I love my Joes, but yep.
Plus I heard TE focus….we’ll see
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:47 am
Alright…TE Darnell Washington
1st LT Duncan (and if we can trade back a few spots, do it)
2nd TE Washington
two 3rds
RB Evans and CB Mekhi Garner
I think we sign QB Dalton, so Hooker is off the board unfortunately, as much as I want him, oh well….unless he’s still there later, then heck yes!
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:56 am
Baker Mayfield . Check out his best plays with the cleveland browns on youtube of his best highlights. His highlights are way more impressive than Carr or Garropolo . Much higher ceiling, there is an unfair bias towards him. If you can get him at bargain price it would be worth it. I’ve seen his good film and bad film he is better than a lot of people give credit for. If trask cant handle it he would be a good option but they may not want the pressure on trask of a capable qb holding the clipboard. I am fine with giving Trask a shot though seems like canales is somewhat of a qb whisperer if in any way he was a major part of geno smiths resurrection from the dead
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:00 am
Joe, no mention of Baker Mayfield? He seems a lot like Drew Brees before Brees found magic with the Saints.
I watched Trask play a bunch of games back in the 90’s when his name was still Trent Dilfer. No thanks.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:41 am
Norm Snead could be had for a bag of old clams (de-bearded) and some warm light beer. He could hand off from his wheel chair. That’s a positive thought!
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:42 am
Why do people think we would sign Andy Dalton? They aren’t aiming high budget-wise, but I believe they’ll look for a younger guy with upside.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:58 am
Optimists want to see Canales as a great offensive genius responsible for the Seahawks surprising season, conveniently overlooking the fact that Shane Waldron, the OC, was largely responsible for bringing in concepts from LA Rams system (replacing Brian Schottenheimer), while Canales was demoted/shifted around. Sure, he was there, and maybe he is, who knows.
He gets benefit of the doubt for at least being exposed to multiple offensive systems–Bevell, Schottenheimer, Waldron and their lineages— in his limited role, which did not include play calling. In his one good season, note that Geno regressed as the season moved forward. Drew Lock, a guy who never lacked the physical tools, failed to overcome his issues and still hasn’t.
It’s a complete crapshoot, overall and in terms of who the Bucs QBs will be. It’s logical to bet that Canales has a short list that he brought in, that includes the QBs that the Seahawks vetted and considered last offseason.
Both the Bucs and Seahawks are looking at somewhat similar QB dilemmas. Both are cap-limited, while needing a bridge veteran along with youth (in place already plus possible draft pick). The two teams could be vying for the same names, which may include Geno and Hendon Hooker.
Before anyone gets carried away, Todd Bowles is the HC, and he will dictate what Bowles Ball will be, including the offense. Same as it was with Leftwich, who had limited authority.
February 23rd, 2023 at 3:17 am
I say spin the wheel for Hooker. Perhaps we may catch some lightning in a bottle. Also why not consider drafting a QB in later spots every year. More chances to get that surprise needed QB
February 23rd, 2023 at 3:53 am
Doesn’t matter either way who we have at QB. We have no pass rushers,
One corner a 33 year old linebacker that my or may not sign, a 4 year linebacker that cannot come close to pass cover, and a 30+ pass rushing linebacker
With a reattached Achilles! Competition gonna have 75-85% completion rates
February 23rd, 2023 at 4:56 am
CaptivaJim … ‘bowles only wants a QB who can hand off …no biscuit no more !!!!’
So what you got from Canales press conference Jim is that, despite everything he said to the contrary, all he intends to do is implement a strategy that includes nothing but handing the ball off? And at the direction of Bowles? Let me ask you Jim: Why should anyone take that OPINION seriously? What basis of fact is there to justify that position?
Hey, I get it, you don’t like Bowles. Fine; that’s your OPINION. But don’t misconstrue the FACTS in an attempt to justify your OPINION. There are plenty of JBFers who already do that. Bowles has been a HC for 5 years now. For his 4 years in NY, his team had a run-pass ratio ranging from 41.7% to 43.4% (a pretty narrow window actually). Last season the Bucs’ run-pass ratio was 33.3%, the lowest in the NFL. Those FACTS don’t tell anyone that Bowles’ teams are run-only like you just stated. Quite the contrary.
Looks to me like Todd Bowles just hired an OC who he believes can achieve a better BALANCE in our running & passing schemes. Why don’t we give both of them a chance to see if that works? That’s my OPINION.
February 23rd, 2023 at 5:04 am
Mickman … Like you, I’m more concerned about our defense than I am our offense (they’re starting from a deeper hole it looks like). Most Bucs’ fans believe in Jason Licht, and that he can work his ‘magic’ and get us out of this hole.
I say let’s give him a chance. He implemented an ‘all-in’ strategy back in 2020 that helped get us an NFL Championship. We came close in 2021 too. It was costly (strategies like that always are), but it was worth it IMO. Now let’s see if he can successfully dig us out of the hole that resulted. My HOPE is that he can, although it’s a Herculean challenge at this point.
February 23rd, 2023 at 5:37 am
Maybe because Trask has not had the opportunity to prove himself??!
February 23rd, 2023 at 5:53 am
Jeff Driskel? Hahahaha
February 23rd, 2023 at 6:17 am
Mayfield is 6′ tall, can’t see over the line
February 23rd, 2023 at 7:02 am
No 82 is about right for Trask. Brissett would probably be the best the Bucs could do. Carr is too expensive and while we may win the division with him, we would not go any further. The guy is an expensive loser. Jimmy G. Would last 6 games and we would be back to Trask. Mayfield may be ok, definitely worth a look.
February 23rd, 2023 at 7:05 am
It’s simple. Roll with Trask. One or two things will happen. Trask will perform well and we have our QB of the future or he will blow and we will be set up with a high draft pick in 2024. We sign a FA QB we wind up 8-9 and will be selecting 17 in 2024
February 23rd, 2023 at 7:24 am
Oh, look! Joe searched the Internet and found someone who doesn’t rank high a quarterback who hasn’t played! A guy who just released a book titled “Movies from the Mountaintop: 100+ Films that Express God, Explore Faith and Enlighten Church”! THAT’S who we Bucs should listen to about Trask! Not Arians, Christensen, Canales, or any other actual NFL coach! LMAO. You can’t make this stuff up!
February 23rd, 2023 at 8:18 am
The only magic Licht had was a top 7 pick at WR n a 3rd round WR, and surviving Lovie n Dirk, VH3, Roberto, Noah, OJ, Rojo, every player after the 4th, he hit on Marpet Vea (TJ Watt draft) Godwin Davis and some marginal DBs n OL, Devin was a top 5 pick at LB not looking great, his FA record is atrocious, VJax n Brady that’s it, Arians n Brady had the magic, I enjoyed the Brady years but Licht gets too much credit
February 23rd, 2023 at 8:19 am
Oh Shaq was a hit n JPP were great moves, Suh came for Brady
February 23rd, 2023 at 8:33 am
OMG. How many times do e have to go through this. It has always been the plan for Trask to take over when Brady retired. Geez, its like a broken record in here.
February 23rd, 2023 at 9:27 am
Why do you pay any attention to the Cody Benjamin’s – What the h&ll do they know.
February 23rd, 2023 at 9:50 am
Jimbo J Says:
February 23rd, 2023 at 8:33 am
I’d say they drafted him with the hope that he might develop into the starter eventually. Wouldn’t say it was a firm plan, and plans are always subject to change. I mean, he was the last pick of the second round, so like a 3rd rounder… so it’s not like he has ever been a franchise QB in waiting. Maybe we can’t do any better than him this year, maybe we can.
February 23rd, 2023 at 10:27 am
@sasquatch
Trask being last pick of the second round is second round. They actually considered taking him with their last pick of the first round (look it up). Instead they took JTS with their last pick of the first round. Is JTS a second rounder? 😛
As for not being a franchise QB in waiting, Brady was a 6th rounder, Favre a 2nd rounder, Brees a 2nd rounder, etc. The notion that only first round QBs can be franchise QBs is laughable: Jameis Winston and Johnny Manziel.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:01 pm
Goatfarmer hedging his BS analyses wants so much to be right. His motive is clear and that’s to see that Trask doesn’t get his opportunity to show him wrong. Goatfarmer will disappear or change his name if he’s proven to be a phony. I for one won’t let him forget his hateful comments about Trask in the future.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:33 pm
@BucBoy,
I didn’t say a guy had to be a #1 pick to be a franchise QB… but if Trask were that guy we would have heard a lot more about it. Instead, he’s been buried behind Blaine Gabbert on the depth chart. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s bad, but it doesn’t make me think he’s a franchise QB who is just waiting for the right opportunity. He might be decent in an offense that doesn’t ask much of the QB. Not much above average looks like his ceiling, and I’d love to be wrong. We shall see.
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:03 pm
I believe Derick Carr has a lower than 500 average on winning games. Just sayin…..
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:11 pm
sasquatch Says: “I didn’t say a guy had to be a #1 pick to be a franchise QB… but if Trask were that guy we would have heard a lot more about it.”
With Tom Brady in town to win Super Bowls? LMAO. Hardly. Trask was drafted to sit and learn under Brady’s last 2 years under contract. Those 2 years are up now. This is not uncommon.
Brady sat out his first year under a far lesser quarterback than the GOAT and didn’t play until that quarterback – Drew Bledsoe – was injured in Brady’s second year.
Favre sat out his first year in Atlanta, was told by Jerry Glanville he would never play in the NFL, and was sent packing to the Packers.
During their sit-out years nobody was talking anout Brady or Favre as franchise QBs.
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:23 pm
BucBoy Says:
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:11 pm
Brady apparently made a good bit of noise in NE as a rookie, even as a 6th round pick. Favre was traded for a number one to Green Bay after his rookie season and was starting in his second season. Safe to say that people knew he had something.
Are you actually comparing Kyle Trask to 2 Hall of Famers? Bit delusional, eh?
Safe to say, if the Bucs were shopping Trask, they might get a 3rd rounder for him, at best. Nobody’s beating down our door to acquire Kyle Trask. The assessment of his QB coach was “deliberate learner” or in more direct terms: “dumb”.
Let me guess, you’re a Gators fan…
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:40 pm
Josh Johnson????
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sorry, that guy just ruined his credibility.
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:53 pm
sasquatch Says:
“BRADY APPARENTLY MADE A GOOD BIT OF NOISE IN NE AS A ROOKIE, EVEN AS A 6TH ROUND PICK.”
He sure did. He threw a grand total of 3 passes and completed 1. A 33% completion rate. LOL. Next time get the facts right; then you might not be so wrong.
“FAVRE WAS TRADED FOR A NUMBER ONE TO GREEN BAY AFTER HIS ROOKIE SEASON AND WAS STARTING IN HIS SECOND SEASON. SAFE TO SAY THAT PEOPLE KNEW HE HAD SOMETHING.”
You falsely imply that Favre’s rookie season is what made the Packers give a #1 pick to Atlanta. Wrong again. In his rookie season Favre threw 4 a grand total of passes and completed 0, with 2 INTs. That’s right, 0-4 with 2 INTs. The only person who saw anything in those numbers was one of the best general managers ever, Ron Wolf of Green Bay.
“ARE YOU ACTUALLY COMPARING KYLE TRASK TO 2 HALL OF FAMERS? BIT DELUSIONAL, EH?”
No. Delusional is not recognizing that in their rookie seasons Brady and Favre were not Hall of Famers! LOL. On the contrary, Brady and Favre each had very limited play in their rookie seasons with atrocious numbers. See above.
“LET ME GUESS, YOU’RE A GATORS FAN.”
No, a double-Gators fan, as I proudly hold two degrees from the University of Florida. Unlike you, though, I am objective, basing my opinions on fact. For instance, based on Trask’s record setting performance in the SEC, I believe he will succeed in the NFL. Likewise, based on his poor performance against SEC teams (all his big games were against weak teams), I believe Richardson will fail in the NFL. Facts precede opinion.
Thanks for playing, though!
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:05 pm
#CollapseForCaleb. Word is out that Caleb Williams the Heisman trophy winner has stated he wants to be drafted and play for the Dolphins. So if the Bucs #CollapseForCaleb we could be Bo Jackson’ed again? Oh how wonderful that would be again, right?
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:06 pm
@BucBoy,
I did not say Brady or Favre played in their first years. That’s you putting words in my mouth. Thanks for playing though.
Brady “made noise” within the organization and there was buzz. That’s what I meant. That’s historically accurate information. Thanks for playing though.
Favre was a 2nd round pick who had a lot more physical gifts than Trask, and was coveted enough based on his talent that Ron Wolf, one of the best GMs ever, was willing to offer up a 1st rounder for him. That’s historically accurate information. Thanks for playing though.
Is anyone offering a number 1 pick to acquire Kyle Trask? What do you think he might fetch in a trade right now?
Kyle Trask is not, nor will he ever, be Brady or Favre. And you did make that delusional comparison.
Thanks for playing, Florida man.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:17 pm
Joe will have a link tomorrow in “Morning Cup Of Joe” for all to enjoy and be informed on this story. Williams said his preference is to play for a young coach with weapons and in nice weather (Florida, California or Atlanta — yes, he specified Atlanta).
He then added he will play anywhere.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:26 pm
sasquatch,
You’re lying. I compared 2nd-round Trask’s situation of not playing early in his career to 6th-round Brady’s and 2nd-round Favre’s situations of not playing early in their careers. Point being, that what happens in a quarterback’s early idle years is not necessarily indicative of his future performance. It’s not a complicated concept. You must be really obtuse not to understand that.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:45 pm
@BucBoy,
So now you’re moving the bars.
I agree that not playing in the first year or two doesn’t necessarily mean a QB can’t succeed. I just haven’t heard a lot to make me feel confident Trask is an actual franchise QB. He doesn’t have top-tier physical tools. He has an okay arm, good accuracy, and a lot of guys can play with those attributes. I’m not writing him off from becoming a decent starter. But any comparisons to top-tier franchise QBs is just going to have to get a call out for delusion.
February 23rd, 2023 at 3:28 pm
Lol 🤣🤣 at least all the Brady/ Patriots fans are gone and now I can see the real bucs fans arguing about the bucs and I’m loving it . I just wish we could come together and just root for guy and hope we finally got our quarterback that was drafted and developed by the bucs. I don’t want to tank because that means we will suck for the next 10 years because of our good players will leave next year. Which means we will have another young quarterback that has no receivers to throw to and that means he will be blamed for every lost. And another reason why I don’t want to tank because it would ruin Kyle Trask career and that’s not right man to do that young man like that. So I’m 100 💯 percent behind Kyle Trask to be susessful with the bucs.
February 23rd, 2023 at 4:09 pm
Where’s all the real buc fans at? Certainly not at this site. Just a bunch whiners and doom and gloomers