Kyle Trask Will Learn Point Guard 101
February 22nd, 2023
Bucs backup (?) QB Kyle Trask.
Joe sure hopes Kyle Trask likes basketball, or has watched guys like Jason Kidd or Luka Dončić distribute the basketball down in his native Texas.
New Bucs offensive coordinator Dave Canales was talking today about the “point guard” mentality the coaching staff will be instilling in Trask. It seems the Bucs will go from no-risk-it-no-biscuit to something like, ‘Chill out and make the easy pass.’
The line was interesting insight into Canales and his desire to keep things simple. He also talked about modernizing and simplifying teaching the offense to players with technology. (Byron Leftwich and Tom Brady preferred pencils and notebooks.)
Canales said of a QB being a point guard.
“Just distribute. Play on time. Get the ball out of your hands. Life’s better that way when you do that,” Canales said. “You got these bears chasing you. And if you don’t like bears chasing you, get rid of the ham. Right? So just teaching him those principles.”
Of course, what Canales didn’t mention was that the great point guards make passes and plays when it appears one isn’t there, and they can create space for themselves and passing lanes.
Is Trask capable of that? Canales thinks Trask showed he can move enough in college to be successful.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:31 pm
Yeah, don’t work the ball to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin — nah, make sure Scotty Miller and Breshad Perriman get an equal share of targets. How equaliable of this new coach.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:32 pm
Don’t go out and try to make big plays, no, just take the easy one yard pass to the TE on 3rd and 12 and let them get the other 11 yards.
Better safe than sorry, am I right, fellas?
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:33 pm
Drew Brees always reminded me of a point guard.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:38 pm
I think people are taking this out of context. I think it means make your reads and make quick decisions and do it with confidence. No over thinking it and ensuring everyone is on the same page. Again which is a no brainer when breaking in a young OR new QB.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:38 pm
Bears chasing a ham!
love that analogy!
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:39 pm
You know what makes Mike Evans special? It doesn’t matter if he’s covered or not, he’s going to catch the ball 80% of the time, or make sure the defender doesn’t catch it. That’s how, and why, Evans became a star when Winston was throwing him the ball, regardless of coverage. If you’re just going to make the easy pass on every play, then you’re going to score 13 points a game.
I don’t like this loser talk we’re already hearing.
Lets run the ball, like it’s 1982, and then we’ll just make short easy throws, like we’re running the west coast offense under Gruden when the team is #25th points every year.
No thanks. We live in 2023. You win games by scoring points, not by playing ‘safe’.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:40 pm
Sounds good to me
Easier said than done
There are two interesting interviews on the Bucs YouTube page, one goes back to last spring after the draft around OTA’s and the other more recently. In both interviews Trask came across as uninspiring carefully chosen words, uninspiring perhaps lacking confidence.
Just an observation, something is up behind the scenes because typically there are front office PR stories about players of the future.
Something is off with Trask
I watched him play well at UF but that was college and seemingly a lifetime ago.
The old saying
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If he could, he would
Jameis would be good for 8 wins and great for JBF
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:41 pm
If trask sits on the bench another year he’s done for in Tampa. Second round pick can’t continue to sit no matter what the position.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:52 pm
The only problem I see is that Trask looks more like a forward than a point guard…..now Wilson, Mahomes, Murray, Tua….they look like point guards.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:56 pm
I wouldn’t throw Wilson into that analogy. He stinks!
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:56 pm
Rod Munch Says
“Better safe than sorry, am I right, fellas?”
Actually, I get it. Trask has to learn the basics before he can do the more advanced stuff.
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:58 pm
I get running the ball more too. When you have a first year starting QB, you make things easy to start with. That doesn’t mean they won’t add more advanced stuff through the off season and during the season.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:02 pm
SB~LV – I’m pro-Jameis, while I was for us signing Brady, that doesn’t mean Winston stunk or was bad, you just don’t pass on the GOAT for anyone.
With that said, bringing Winston back to run a dink and dunk offense is a really bad fit, and so far, everything I’m hearing, sounds like this guy is going to run a dink and dunk offense.
Also I’m not sure if the Saints end up releasing Winston or not. Assuming OTC is right, cutting him only saves about $4.5m, while leaving $11m in dead cap space. They could do a post-June 1st cut which cuts the dead cap down significantly, but I think that means they’d have to pay him like $5m in cash (I don’t think it changes the cap).
But in any case he needs to be fully healthy. The dullards out there that don’t pay attention think he lost his job, but he didn’t really lose his job, he broke his back, tried to play through it, clearly wasn’t getting much zip on his balls, and never fully healed up. He wasn’t so injured he needed to be on IR (and the Saints were up against the cap and didn’t want to put him on IR and have to pay sign another guy , the same way the Bucs didn’t want to put Rudolph on IR for the same reason), but he also wasn’t close to 100%. In my opinion, Winston needs to put like 40lbs back on, since he didn’t really have health issues when he was fat, and some players just need that extra padding to stay healthy.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:03 pm
SB LV Jamis Winston didnt play it safe. And he scored points, in fact he was so good at it jamis scored points for both the Bucs and who ever they were playing. The article didnt say anything about not making big plays , its if its not there just take what you can get. Jamis never understood that, which is why no other teams are interested in him.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:04 pm
Another way to look at it might be, why throw to the double covered wide receiver even if he can typically out jump the coverage when you have a tight end 9 yards down the field wide open? Wilson took plenty of deep shots in Seattle. Whoever lines up behind center here will do so as well I’m sure. But the emphasis will change. And if we can get a potent running game going, that’s a good thing.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:05 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai – Trask is in his 3rd year.
Also there’s nothing he said about learning the basics. He’s saying make the ‘easy’ throw first. That means you’re throwing a bunch of 1-yard routes and passing up on big plays down the field, when you got two of the top 10-15 WRs in the NFL.
This isn’t implementing new ideas, college ideas, nothing, it’s backwards 1960s football that we’re hearing so far.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:05 pm
Munch, Winston is never ever coming back here. No matter who the OC is. And with this guy, yes, there’s even less reason for him to come back here. He’s gone. Poof! Just like Brady. Though those memories are better.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:08 pm
Steven007 Says:
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:04 pm
Another way to look at it might be, why throw to the double covered wide receiver even if he can typically out jump the coverage when you have a tight end 9 yards down the field wide open?
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No QB is throwing to the double covered WR when they can get 9 yards, regardless of scheme.
What he’s saying is don’t throw to Evans when he’s covered 1-on-1 50 yards down the field on 3rd and 14, when it’s literally the same thing as a punt if it’s intercepted. Nah, instead throw to the RB for 1-yard and build up that competition percentage, like you’re Derek Carr.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:08 pm
Rodney, you have no idea what kind of offense the new guy will run here. And neither do I. He’s new to calling plays. Yes, he just had a press conference. And dazzled us with his coach speak. And dress it up anyway you like, it was coach speak regardless. Granted, he seemed far more forthcoming than the former guy, and hopefully he stays that way, but we still have no idea what we’ll see on the field this season. I certainly hope it’s not a collection of one and two yard passes. Time will tell.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:10 pm
Trask has one read, maybe if the OL blocks well, two. He is simply not built to process field action as fast as he needs to for the NFL. I suspect that’s why Canaries is already saying this, so the Trask humpers aren’t surprised when he’s not on the roster come September.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:10 pm
Munch, that’s assuming he sees the wide open tight end. With a young quarterback he will likely look for that option first anyways. But we don’t know who the quarterback will be. And as already stated, we really have no idea what the offense will look like. The thought of another dungy-esque offense is nauseating. I’m hoping that’s not what we end up with.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:17 pm
Rod Munch Says:
February 22nd, 2023 at 4:32 pm
Did you watch the presser? I did. Nothing I heard him say gave any reason for this retarded and unwarranted criticism.
He said get the ball to your playmakers. That’s it.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:23 pm
Lol Sasquatch! Tell these know it alls !
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:24 pm
sasquatch – No, I didn’t see it, and based on what you posted in the other thread I said I’ll need to do so, since what I’m reading in print isn’t matching what you’re saying you saw. The disconnect can happen, sometimes, when you don’t hear the tone, or the full context.
With that said, this quote is pretty damning in print, “Just distribute. Play on time. Get the ball out of your hands. Life’s better that way when you do that.”
That sounds like coward ball to me. Don’t stick around to the last second to get off a pass, nah, just bail early. Sounds like he’s trying to recruit Derek Carr.
But you are correct, I need to actually see it in full context. I’ll get to it eventually.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:49 pm
So many negitive Nancy’s.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:53 pm
Loved this analogy, partially because I’ve used it before, but mostly because a QB is basically a football PG. Bare minimum just to be on the court to display your talent, you’ve got to know the offensive sets, you gotta have solid to exceptional ball security, your eyes have to be disciplined to know what defense are trying to do, and you gotta be able to facilitate the plan of attack while feeding the talent around you.
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Guys no need to trash the new OC yet. Can’t be worse than last year and you don’t want a QB that holds the ball and takes unnecessary sacks.make your reads / go thru your progressions and get the ball out. That is what the GOAT did for years and 7 SBs
February 22nd, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Rod Munch Says
“Buccaneer Bonzai – Trask is in his 3rd year.”
And none of them starting. I said ‘first year starter’.
I personally do not know if Trask will be any good…but I won’t judge him either way until he has a chance to prove himself.
With Brady starting, they gave Gabbert the backup reps because they didn’t want to risk an inexperience backup. Now, atm, he’ll get those reps. First time.
He has been neglected up until now.
Still…he as a lot to prove. I wouldn’t just keep all the eggs in one basket, so to speak.
February 22nd, 2023 at 6:01 pm
Quick passes will also give him time to read defenses…and don’t forget…defenses always…ALWAYS..go hard at young, inexperienced QBs. Getting rid of the ball quick is the way to change that.
February 22nd, 2023 at 6:20 pm
Dink & Funk…..I mean Dunk is back
February 22nd, 2023 at 6:22 pm
@Rod Munch I second believing you’ll come away with a much different take after watching the presser.
This OC has some juice and I liked what he had to say as a whole.
February 22nd, 2023 at 6:48 pm
I don’t get the criticism against Canales yet. Yeah I don’t think we’ll see the “no risk it no biscuit”, but that don’t mean well never have plays down field. And the offense wasn’t bad last year in Seattle, and while we beat them, we did have a good Defense last year. Can’t criticize their offense for struggling against us. It was Geno’s first good year also. All he was saying was we’ll get the ball to the playmakers.
February 22nd, 2023 at 6:56 pm
Some of y’all are trying way too hard to pigeonhole Canales into your doomsday predictions for the 2023 season or just outright fabricating information based off everything but Canales’ words lol yikes
February 22nd, 2023 at 7:22 pm
it’ll help if he can pick up a couple of first downs a game with his legs
February 22nd, 2023 at 7:25 pm
All we are saying, is give Trask a chance. Why did I sing that sentence?
February 22nd, 2023 at 7:29 pm
I love how all the Trask-Haters continue to say DUMB things about him as if they have some sort of insider knowledge on him.
“He’s simply not built to process field action as fast as he needs to…”
GTFOH!
Trask tore it up at Florida with deep, down the field accuracy passes. He’s also more mobile than people give him credit for.
I can’t wait for Trask to prove all these FSU-fan-boy haters wrong.
February 22nd, 2023 at 7:59 pm
Trask Hump the Future — everyone knows how college QB performance is such a reliable indicator of NFL success. (rolling eyes) You want the hundreds of failures or the few successes relative to the total?
He’s always been a slow learner, hence he’s never been a starting QB at any level in his life. To his credit he is persistent and works hard. His ceiling has been reached, however.
February 22nd, 2023 at 8:01 pm
Roddie “I hate all Gators” Munchie has his panties in a bunch because so many NFL coaches have been saying good things about Trask. 😂
February 22nd, 2023 at 8:41 pm
I’m unclear why most readers follow this team. They clearly hate it. Hate the coach and how he calls defense, hate the rookie QB before he’s shown what he can or can’t do. Hate the OC before he even unpacks his bag.
What do you y’all like, exactly… the Bucs logo?
February 22nd, 2023 at 8:49 pm
You criticize the OC coach and a player before they even perform. To those Trask haters, how do you judge any player who hasn’t even played in NFL except some pre-season games with the future truck drivers. At least wait and think what you going to post before you embarrass yourself.
Such statement as ” He’s always been a slow learner, hence he’s never been a starting QB at any level in his life. To his credit he is persistent and works hard.”
Last time I checked Trask was a star starting qb who broke many of SEC and Florida’s record.
February 22nd, 2023 at 9:11 pm
Goatfarmer … ‘Trask has one read, maybe if the OL blocks well, two. He is simply not built to process field action as fast as he needs to for the NFL.’
That’s one of the most biased analyses I can remember reading on JBF; a new low even for you Goatfarmer. Think about what you just wrote for a second … ‘How is a QB ‘NOT BUILT to process field action as fast as he needs to for the NFL’? REALLY? What are you saying Goatfarmer? His brain’s too small? He’s only got 1 eye? His head’s on upside down? Aahh yes, you’ve reached a whole new level of low. Enjoy the view from down there.
February 22nd, 2023 at 9:12 pm
Goatfascist = idiot
February 22nd, 2023 at 9:31 pm
Lol Rod having a meltdown over these comments.
He didn’t tell him to play like Mike Gkennon, he just said get the ball out. Seattle still three deep passes lol.
February 22nd, 2023 at 9:32 pm
*threw
*Glennon
February 22nd, 2023 at 9:39 pm
No, this won’t work. Kyle is patient, these guys want the opposite.
He is an “,if all else fails” type player.
He plays when things break, not early
February 22nd, 2023 at 10:56 pm
unbelievable – He wasn’t the OC in Seattle, we have no idea what his offense is going to look like, but from what I read about what he said, it sounds like a 1960s offense. The idea of having a losing team that is really boring, ugh, that is Mike Glennon era football. Bowles allegedly made a big deal about saying he wanted new college concepts inserted into the offense last year, and Leftwich blew him off, that’s what I was expecting to hear, how they’re going to do new stuff, exciting stuff, we’re gonna try different things, etc. Instead it sounded like we’re going to get the worst type of football, a team that goes 3-14 while averaging 13 points a game.
BUT, as I also said, I’m going off some quotes without seeing the entire context, so perhaps I’m completely off base.
February 22nd, 2023 at 11:55 pm
I was impressed with this young guy, first opportunity for him. He’s coming into a situation with a challenging roster. Let’s give Caneles a chance, let’s see what he can do in a difficult situation.
February 23rd, 2023 at 6:04 am
Luca is a scorer, that’s why they brought Kyrie Irving in via trade to distribute. If we speaking on Don Luca let’s keep it real 😜
February 23rd, 2023 at 6:56 am
Fellas, keep in mind that Rod Munch is one thing and one thing only: a Gator hater. Yes, not long ago he admitted right here on JBF that “I HATE ALL GATORS”. So, everything he writes about Kyle Trask – EVERYTHING – is rooted in his hatred.
February 23rd, 2023 at 7:00 am
Rod Munch Says: “He wasn’t the OC in Seattle, we have no idea what his offense is going to look like.”
Likewise, Trask hasn’t taken a single snap with the 1st team, so you have no idea what he is going to look like. 😛
February 23rd, 2023 at 7:02 am
Joe, Rod Munch, Goatfarmer, and the handful of other Trask haters are living a nightmare. LMAO.
February 23rd, 2023 at 9:22 am
Last year, most of us “hated” on the OC and the HC because we had reason to based on what our eyes told us on Sundays.
None of us have seen Trask yet, nor our new OC. I will reserve judgement until I see SOMETHING on the field.
I have quite a few months to comment on anything meaningful for this year.
I am taking the Patience, Grasshopper approach for now.
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:19 pm
Me too, D-Rok!
February 23rd, 2023 at 12:44 pm
Trask balled out his last yea at UF when he had weapons. He never got a chance up to this point to play with our top notch weapons. Let the kid play with our starters and see what we got in him. Him playing in preseason and in a little bit of garabage time ATL I won’t base anything off of. I want to see him with jesen ME13, CG14 gage n Lenny and see what this kid can do. If it goes bad then we get a chance at a new QB next year. It also keeps us from spending money the Bucs don’t have on a FA QB. sounds like a win win maybe lose win game lol
February 23rd, 2023 at 1:37 pm
@Rod – he talked about running the same plays from different formations and disguising things to defenses off balance. He talked about using pre-snap motion, play action and boot legs, and even QB draws to keep defenses off balance. He said of course they want to establish the run, but if something isn’t working he won’t keep doing it.
Lotta details left out from these articles. I’m just saying- take a breath. It will be a miracle if this team has a winning record with our current makeup and head coach, but so far I’m not hating what I’m hearing from the new OC. We will see.
February 23rd, 2023 at 2:36 pm
Jeeze Munch! Take a break from the keyboards for a bit. You have had plenty of time to view the pressor by now, yet you are still perfectly comfortable about waxing eloquently about what you think others may have said about Canales is good enough to take to the bank. You even admit that you may not know what the hell you are talking about as it is based on someone else’s takeaway of what was said. Old rule. Don’t go into battle without a loaded gun! You have obviously had plenty of time to see with your own eyes and listen with your own ears as to what was said, context it was said in, etc but for some reason you want to write based on what someone else said? Not a good look for you. Kinda like believing Fauci and still wearing a mask outside because someone heard him speak and said that was what he was recommending. Minimal research of what you are talking about is required to be remotely believable and worthy of the mighty JBF blog!
February 25th, 2023 at 7:11 am
Umm…We had a guy who “got the ball out of his hands” in order to keep from getting put in the ICU! Here’s hoping Trask or whoever is behind center this year has more time to throw and doesn’t have to throw it 40 plus times a game. Go Bucs!