Derek Carr’s Brother Lays Out Landing Criteria; Bucs Fit
February 15th, 2023
Very interesting chatter on NFL Network yesterday from former NFL quarterback David Carr, older brother of free agent and three-time Pro Bowl QB Derek Carr.
The elder Carr works for NFL Network and was called upon to discuss his brother’s free agency. He was very clear that he personally will be helping his brother assess various opportunities around the NFL, but he added that few teams will meet key standards.
David Carr said the first must-have for is a top-15 defense. Carr said his brother never had that during his nine seasons with the Raiders. (Hey, whaddya know, the Bucs have one of those!) David Carr said Tom Brady chose the Bucs in large part because of their defense and quarterbacks want to know if they’ll have a defense that can get them the ball back.
No. 2 on David Carr’s list is a good offensive line and the ability to run the ball. The Bucs are returning three studs with Super Bowl rings to their line: Ryan Jensen, Shaq Mason and Tristan Wirfs.
And the Bucs easily could commit to Carr that they will upgrade at left guard or left tackle.
Last on the Carr list is the freedom from his playcaller to change plays at the line of scrimmage, apparently something Derek Carr was unable to do with the Raiders last season.
It was an intriguing conversation, and one could argue the Saints and Panthers roughly meet the criteria as well as the Bucs do.
Of course, the Bucs don’t have a playcaller yet, which theoretically could give Carr input into who they hire.
Joe realizes a lot of fans are going to claim the Saints and Panthers are better situations for Carr, but Joe quickly will point out that those teams suck and each has a retread head coach that has a lot to prove.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:31 pm
The most important criterion not mentioned – go play for a team who does not have a losing maroon as headless coich.
Toad Blowes disqualifies the Bucs from signing Carr.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:32 pm
To pay Carr would mean not a rebuild but a new Bowles losing combobulation for the year. It would help the pre season spin and hype about how we will go to the Super Bowl but will cause even more long term Bowles destruction. They are a match both with horrible losing records. Now they could hold hands and lose together for a whole season.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:34 pm
I thought the Saints were out of the picture.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:34 pm
If the Panthers and Aints have retread coaches, what do we have? If Carr is just a bridge qb, then we might as well save the money, roll with Trask, and improve our o-line, d-line, and replace the CB’s we are about to lose. If Trask is good, we win, if he sucks, we draft a better QB next year.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:40 pm
Wow, Carr sounds like he was in an toxic relationship playing for the Raiders as these aren’t really pressing/glaring prerequisites. For all we know, he’s waiting to get the best pitch and mission statement for 2023 from whatever front office has the most feasible road map. Also, how archaic is it that McDaniels didn’t let the veteran QB he inherited change plays mid-game? We all know Brady had that green light the majority of his time in Tampa.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:41 pm
I think Todd Blowes is also a retread coach.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:44 pm
Stop the Derek Carr nonsense… Just stop.
No one with any concern for the health of this franchise can seriously advocate for busting the budget on a QB this year.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:45 pm
What Pewter Pride said!
February 15th, 2023 at 3:50 pm
“No. 2 on David Carr’s list is a good offensive line and the ability to run the ball”
Bucs averaged 3.4 yards per carry in 2022. Dead last in the NFL. Bye, Derek.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:50 pm
Joe-We have a re-tread coach as well, and we sucked, although not as bad because we won the division.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:52 pm
Well, our coach has proven he stinks!
February 15th, 2023 at 3:54 pm
Bowles will be fine and actually will do OK with Carr, the key thing is the OC, if they can put that to bed and give Carr some ability to change plays from time to time, we’re going to be fine and actually have a shot to get into the post season.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:55 pm
“Joe quickly will point out that those teams suck and each has a retread head coach that has a lot to prove”
So basically the Bucs, especially without Tom Brady..
February 15th, 2023 at 3:56 pm
laughable to think the Bucs somehow meet the criterion “good offensive line and the ability to run the ball”…
Did you SEE last season? And Wirfs and Mason both played last season, and so did Jensen in the stomping in the playoffs. C’mon, now. Jensen was loaded with rust and not himself. –Joe
And who is the running back supposed to be that will give us the “ability to run the ball”? Different guy scheming the run, an upgrade on the line and a real blocking tight end, and Lenny and White, one might think the run game could be average. –Joe
Optimism not realism.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:57 pm
Um….Bucs also have a retread head coach with a lot to prove….
February 15th, 2023 at 3:57 pm
A lot of demands for a loser QB who cares first and foremost about his stat sheet.
February 15th, 2023 at 3:59 pm
Carr had one of the best receivers and best RB’s in the NFL last year and he was benched.
$35 million per year for this guy? really?
February 15th, 2023 at 4:01 pm
Our QB situation is not, IMHO our most pressing problem.
Paying big money for a QB, regardless of who, will only exacerbate our biggest problem, our current cap situation.
What good is it if we pay for a QB, only to be unable to pay for the players he needs to win games?
I’ve made it known that whoever wears the jersey will get my support at game time. There’s more than one player wearing a jersey though. A quality “team” is more valuable than the best of the best QB’s. One man cannot win on his own.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:01 pm
If you just google, ‘Derek Carr throws away the ball on 4th down’ you get a number of responses.
There’s the famous one, vs the Titans, down by 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, 4th and goal at the one, with 3 mins left, he throws the ball away. Again, read the situation there. He doesn’t even give his guys a chance to make a play. That’s being more concerned about your stat line than giving your team a chance to win.
But that’s not all, there’s a bunch of different plays that come up, some I’ve never seen, where Carr is protecting his stats, not even giving his guys a chance.
That’s a loser QB if I’ve ever seen one.
I’ll take a gunslinger like Jameis 10 out of 10 times over a guy who is worried about his stats.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:01 pm
^^^^
agreed
February 15th, 2023 at 4:04 pm
I am in the cheap seats of listen on radio and an occaisional Fox game on the only broadcast channel I get out od Gainsville. I pity the folks who had to buy 2 years worth of season tix to watch Bowles blunder away the team. By midseason…Free Tix in the parking lot!
February 15th, 2023 at 4:07 pm
The Bucs have a retread head coach that has a lot to prove also.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:08 pm
So Rod. Carr is telling people to check their sheets?
February 15th, 2023 at 4:11 pm
For the record, Greg Olsen was his OC when he had his best year
February 15th, 2023 at 4:18 pm
All kidding aside. If the Bucs can get Carr, they should be counting their lucky stars. He’s a quality quarterback. He can come right in here and be good with the 2 stud WRs we have. Everybody else is an unknown. Especially Trask. I think a Bucs would be extremely fortunate to get a plug and play quarterback this good after Brady leaving.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:36 pm
If the Bucs are serious about getting Carr then they are really going to have to trim even more off of the Salary cap.
If Carr ends up with the Panthers they will easily win the NFC South
February 15th, 2023 at 4:40 pm
I’m sorry, but how exactly is that different from the Bucs last year?
We had 1 game difference in our W-L record, and still had a losing record.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:44 pm
NO!
February 15th, 2023 at 4:46 pm
BrianBucs Says:
February 15th, 2023 at 4:36 pm
If the Bucs are serious about getting Carr then they are really going to have to trim even more off of the Salary cap.
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The Bucs have to make a bunch of moves, period, but signing Carr really wouldn’t be a big deal as you basically give him a low salary this year, and backload it, the exact same thing they did with Brady.
To be clear, I don’t want that to happen as I don’t want Carr, but getting the deal done isn’t all that difficult if he wants to play ball, like Brady did. And it doesn’t cost Carr anything other than deferring when he gets paid a bit. You can guarantee everything, which is what most players care about.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:47 pm
gp Says:
February 15th, 2023 at 4:31 pm
Where’s the evidence that there was fabricated evidence? Is that a TuckerTalkingPoint™? Must be.
Sworn testimony from many, many non-partisan witnesses who were employed in the government. Seems to me, if those were fabrications, that somebody would have brought these witnesses up on charges of perjury. So far, that hasn’t happened.
The reality denial machine is in high gear. You culties are beyond unreasonable.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:48 pm
Criteria
SHOW me the guarantied MONEY !
February 15th, 2023 at 4:48 pm
Presumably Carr, like most players, biggest criteria is a contract with lots of zeros on it. Doubtful that Bucs or Saints can deliver that.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:54 pm
gp … ‘A quality “team” is more valuable than the best of the best QB’s. One man cannot win on his own.’
I’ll second that.
BTW, looking at that photo of Jensen next to Wirfs, it’s quite obvious that Wirfs is one mammoth human. And what’s interesting is that he’s only listed as weighing ONE pound more than Ryan Jensen (320 vs 319). Could’ve fooled me.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:54 pm
LOL…maybe the Bucs can sign him to both OC and QB ( the biggest part of his contract as OC ) and also sign to a NFL veteran contract to play QB….
#Cap Games
🙂
February 15th, 2023 at 4:57 pm
BucBoy Says
“No. 2 on David Carr’s list is a good offensive line and the ability to run the ball”
Bucs averaged 3.4 yards per carry in 2022. Dead last in the NFL.”
Yeah, and that was because of injuries. The year before we were good. You cannot just look at last season as a measuring stick.
February 15th, 2023 at 4:59 pm
Rod Munch Says:
February 15th, 2023 at 4:46 pm
Yeah, except he’s not Brady and he’s not worth creating future cap clusterf**ks for.
For the money, we get more bang by signing Mayfield or Brissett and cleaning up the capfunckery so we can be more competitive in the years to come.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:00 pm
Carr would be a great signing if they can swing it, but if not, I HOPE he does not go to a division rival.
If he does come here…I imagine the naysayers will be constantly against him…just like they were always against Brady.
But…I believe the Raiders were never truly built around him. We’re built for Brady, so that means we are built around a QB.
As to LT or LG…I think we need to go after LG first, as Smith plays well when he has a good guard next to him. Of course, cap is everything…and we cannot currently afford Carr.
Unless…Brady is willing to work with us.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:01 pm
Just stop writing about him joe. It’s a zero chance of this happening want to bet a bromosa on it?? This team is going to swallow the tax bill this year. WTH would they get cart here and his asking price to become the raiders south basically?
February 15th, 2023 at 5:02 pm
Power of Pewter Says:
February 15th, 2023 at 4:48 pm
Presumably Carr, like most players, biggest criteria is a contract with lots of zeros on it. Doubtful that Bucs or Saints can deliver that.
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Again, that’s just not correct. The Bucs are in cap hell in 2023. After they get past 2023, they should be fine. Yes, they still have dead cap space from previous deals, but it’s nothing crippling as the cap is expected to skyrocket.
What Carr cares about, I’d assume, is guaranteed money, and the Bucs can offer that, just not up front in 2023. But they can guarantee whatever they want and give him tons of zeroes. I don’t want that to happen since I don’t think he’s worth it since he’s a loser QB, but purely from a cap situation, you can get the deal done with him, basically like $2-3m this year, and then you’re paying $45m or $50m in 2024 and pushing a bunch of money down the road. Also, that sounds like an insane amount of money for a middling QB, but that’s what they’re going to get paid when the cap explodes in 2024.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:09 pm
Rod Munch, the cap was supposed to explode this year and it didn’t. Can’t count on that.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:09 pm
Jets if they don’t get rodgers. Carr and his brother may quickly realize he may not be viewed as good enough to pick his spot. Saints and panthers are both in position to draft a QB. So they may not be all in on Carr. Jets clearly want rodgers or Jackson if made available. Bucs may also not want a 30mill qb who is slightly above average at best and is a career loser
February 15th, 2023 at 5:10 pm
Carr…. If I could put in a laughing emoji I would. I’m married to a lifelong Raiders fan and Carr was given the tools to succeed and he lost his team just like clueless Bowles did. Spend this year fixing the cap issues and retooling.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:12 pm
Knucknbuc Says
“Just stop writing about him joe. It’s a zero chance of this happening…”
Never say never.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:14 pm
If we somehow get Carr…I’ll support him. I think there is a small chance of it happening, but there is a chance.
More likely, we are either trading for a QB, or going with Trask.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:21 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
February 15th, 2023 at 5:09 pm
Rod Munch, the cap was supposed to explode this year and it didn’t. Can’t count on that.
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That’s incorrect, the cap was never supposed to go up this year, it rockets up next year because of the new TV deals. In fact the cap went up more than expected this year because of the new YouTube Sunday Ticket deal, so they got $16m, I believe, in cap space when people were expecting it to be more like $6m.
Next year, the cap is likely to increase $60m, perhaps even more.
After that, it slows back down again, but this is why young players (like Godwin, Davis), last offseason, wanted 3-year deals and weren’t going for 5-6 year deals. It’s also why it’s going to be very difficult to get Godwin and Davis to do extensions, unless it comes with huge raises.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:26 pm
Carr is no better than Gabbert or Baker or Jacoby Brissett and we can sign those guys without mortgaging the future.
We have several free agents I’d like to keep. Signing Carr will prevent that.
Mr. Licht, you need one hell of a draft.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:28 pm
Bucs need to realize we had the GOAT on the cheap bc he wanted quality players around him. Carr would be a substantial downgrade from Brady at a much higher price. Make no sense to consider him. We need a bridge QB and a clean slate for 2024 so we can sign our keepers like Wirfs, Winfield and Dean.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:31 pm
Derek Carr is undoubtedly a nice guy and at one point he had a big arm and could make the throws. But he never demonstrated any “field general” or leadership ability. He plays scared and confused. His criteria are laughable and consistent with the above – in his mind and his brothers’ minds, it’s always someone else’s fault. Carr isn’t going to get better with an all-pro defense, OL or anything else. He’s just average and on the decline.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:38 pm
This speculation on the next Bucs QB seems like a waste of time to me. Jason Licht spent a second round draft pick on a QB less than two months after the Bucs signed Tom Brady. We know Licht isn’t afraid to cut a 2nd round pick, see Aguayo, Roberto. But I don’t think any GM does that with a 2nd round QB without giving him a chance to compete at some point. Bringing in a QB like Carr wastes the pick and development of a potentially young stud QB
February 15th, 2023 at 5:40 pm
We don’t want Carr. Brining in Carr would be a waste of time. This team isn’t good now and is going to get even worse in order to be cap complient. Ww a losing record with Tom Brady. What is Derek Carr really going to do with an even worse supporting cast? This team needs to take its medicine and hit the restart button. This move would just make things more painful when it’s time to blow it up after it fails
February 15th, 2023 at 5:40 pm
Many have called the Bowels of Toad a retread coach. That’s almost right.
He is a ret@rd coach.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:46 pm
Scottie Montgomery is interviewing for OC job. He has strong ties to Bruce Arians as well as Harold Goodwin. Je worked for Arians when Big Bruce was with the Steelers. I think any OC that any ties to Arians means Trask is getting the keys. Imagine Trask having to learn a whole new Offense when he’s been in the same system his entire young career. Yikes 😬
February 15th, 2023 at 5:51 pm
Carr is not worth mortgaging the future for.
Brady was.
Time to get right with the Cap Gods, and shed fat for the future.
I’m OK with losing today as long as there is a good future reason tomorrow. Not like 2022.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:51 pm
Forgot to mention. Scottie took a job with the Lions 6 days ago as en/assistant head coach with the Lions. He still decides to interview for BUCS opening. Seems he’s highly coveted around the League interesting
February 15th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Running back coach and assistant head coach
February 15th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Joe – we also suck and have a retread coach with a lot to prove.
You telling me you think Bowles is that much better than Frank Reich? D. Allen is tool, agreed on that. I also agree that both franchises can suck root. But saying Bowles doesn’t meet the requirements of your last sentence would be false.
February 15th, 2023 at 5:53 pm
As has been said, Toad Blowes could take the 1972 Dolphins or the 1979 Steelers or the New England Patriots during the Brady years, or the current Chiefs team, and miss the playoffs with all of them. Give him Joe Montana or John Elway or Aaron Rodgers or Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes, and he would find a way to average less than 19 points of offense a game.
At least his defensive prowess is a fraud, a mirage. Players don’t know their assignments when the chips are down, don’t know how to tackle, don’t have sound fundamentals. But, then at least he presides over a really horrid special teams unit. That can’t cover a punt or a kick if the returners were slugs in army boots.
Toad. Bowels. Incompetent.
Doomed.
February 15th, 2023 at 6:00 pm
Drafted Trask in the 2nd round, he learned from the Goat for 2 years. If he is not ready to play now he never will.
February 15th, 2023 at 6:16 pm
Even if we could afford Carr (which we can’t) I still wouldn’t want him here…
Overpay a mediocre QB to play for a mediocre team with a mediocre coach – so we can win 6 games and screw our salary cap for another 3-4 years.
Sounds like a wonderful idea.
February 15th, 2023 at 6:22 pm
Nope! Take our medicine and stick with trask….we still have Blowes, so….a sucky year and high draft picks next year…is what it is
February 15th, 2023 at 6:39 pm
LOGICALLY SPEAKING.
Todd would GARUNTEE himself a shot at getting extended a few more years should he decide to roll with a BG and KT combo at QB for 2 more years.
If he plays his cards right. He could convince everyone (including his future OC?) that he did the right thing by starting BG and replacing him with KT should BG look like his former bust self.
This would be the best move for both Todd and the team as a whole moving forward.
THAN, you could make the argument that TODD did what he could with the cards he was dealt.
IF he brings in a veteran and sacrifices MORE of the teams future and STILL loses. He is gone, right along with KT in two years.
KT was always the future plan, just as Todd was when BA took over.
February 15th, 2023 at 6:44 pm
I’ll take retread Frank Reich any day of Turd Blows. Top 10 D when you hold bad teams under 20 points. Run the ball??? Weren’t the Bucs #32 in 2022. They can assure Carr a solid left guard but not Brady? What’s wrong with this picture?
February 15th, 2023 at 6:56 pm
@joe love the trolling last line! Technically, the Bucs have a retread head coach w lots to prove… Of course they do! –Joe
February 15th, 2023 at 7:38 pm
We have no idea as to whether the Bucs fit or not as we don’t know what the team is going to look like at the beginning of the season.
I hope we do have a Top-15 defense but so many of our starters are free agents plus others could be traded. If we end up with a Top 15 defense I would be impressed!
February 15th, 2023 at 7:42 pm
If the Bucs do pay Carr it will prove that the franchise is truly trying to retool and make another run in the playoffs this year. We would not be in a rebuilding mode, true to Todd Bowles’ word.
Contrary to the desires of many of our fans, I am with the Sage in his thinking. I’d rather see us bite the bullet now. I want us to find a low cost bridge at QB at this time. Then we should grab another young guy who shows decent potential in the draft. Let Kyle Trask and the other two slug it out for the starting job during our next training camp. We should do a true rebuild and set the stage for the next three or four years this year!
No matter what happens we will have another opportunity to try to find the longer term answer at QB next year if all else fails. There are currently too many unknowns to for me to see much hope of us having a great season this year.
Go Bucs!
February 15th, 2023 at 7:54 pm
I may be wrong and often am, but I see bringing in Carr as a colossal waste of valuable cap space. Win or lose this year, I’m ok with it. Sure I’ll complain if we lose but we went through how many years of garbage? We just won the Lombardi so, build it again. The Bucs have a good deal of dead weight, shed it. Trask needs a shot, give him this season and see if he’s got it. If not get rid of him lol. Gabbert is a joke and not the present or future. Don’t try to fix everything in one year. They never should have let Suh and JPP go. I’m not sold on Joe Tryon. Our CB’s I’m not sold on either, I don’t see greatness. I see inconsistency. I keep Lavonte David, he’s the heart of the defense. I think back when they let Derek Brooks go, bonehead move. When they let John Lynch go, boneheaded move. Let Warrick Dunn go, BH move. Matt Bryant same. Jeez Louise please I could go on forever lol. Jason Licht can’t afford stupid gamble signings and picks. He needs to mail it now or the future is dark. But start with Trask and spend wisely. Care ain’t it.
February 15th, 2023 at 7:57 pm
And once again autocorrect for the win 🏆 😂
February 15th, 2023 at 7:57 pm
Bucs hired Canales! My third option. Hope it works out for him.
February 15th, 2023 at 7:58 pm
Bucs have hired Dave Canales! Let’s go!
February 15th, 2023 at 7:59 pm
I wonder if that means Drew Lock will be signed this March.
February 15th, 2023 at 8:01 pm
Hope he does well. Probably the best we can do.
February 15th, 2023 at 8:02 pm
Are we happy about Canales? I mean he did turn Geno into a good qb. Just a very interesting hire.
February 15th, 2023 at 8:18 pm
No.
Rebuild/reload the roster……then put a QB in there.
Trask is going to get every opportunity to start this season at QB. He’s going to sink or float. They are not going to spend $35+ million on a QB this year when they are $55+ million over the cap before they even sign any of our own free agents. C’mon.
February 15th, 2023 at 9:16 pm
Caroline wins this division going away next year… Saints are 2… its a toss up between the Falcons and Bucs… but if I had to wager my personal money I would go with the coach for ATL. His players play hard for him at least…
again…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
February 16th, 2023 at 12:14 am
Can we give Bowles a break? I mean the bucs had one bad year because of a pathetic offensive line and he inherited leftwhich. He didn’t hire him. Honestly it almost sounds like racism how some people are hating on him. That’s just being real. The bucs made a decision to keep him. So let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and give him another year to see if we see progress. If not then I’ll be all on the bandwagon to get rid of him.
February 16th, 2023 at 12:54 am
My vote doesn’t matter but I say roll with Trask get out of thrbcap issues. If we want a potential qb this season pick up Mayfield he’s had issues but he’s had promise too. Also he will be starting material at low cost.
February 16th, 2023 at 2:41 am
The Carr brothers. Sage authorities, both of them.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:20 am
BUC IT@ what does any of this have to do with race? He sucked as a HC, you can’t see that? His D was horrible as well. He kept the caller dwellers of the league under 20 points (except at the time 1-5 Pitt), and let up 30+ points to teams over 500. Dude come up with something he did good this season then it may be easier to swallow his existence. Even BA the back stabber admitted he didn’t agree with Blows coaching this season. BL should have been fired after the GB game, that’s on Blows to.