Breaking Down Seattle Offenses
February 16th, 2023
Offenses ran. And scored.
So last night Joe researched what to expect from new Bucs offensive coordinator Dave Canales.
Canales, 41 was on Pete Carroll’s staff at the University of Southern California and left USC in 2010 for Seattle with Carroll. He’s been a fixture there since but has never been a playcaller.
Carroll is an old-school defensive coach. And that shows in his Seattle offenses. What do old defensive coaches like to do? Run the ball even though it is a passing league.
Only three times since 2010 have the Seahawks finished the season in the top half of the league in pass attempts. Even then, the high-water marks were two separate seasons where the Seahawks finished 15th in the league in pass attempts.
Despite Carroll overseeing mostly a ground-and-pound offense run by his offensive coaches (including Canales), Seattle found a way to score points.
Since Carroll and Canales came to Seattle, the Seahawks found a way to finish in the top-10 in points per game eight times. While the Bucs were top-four in points-per-game each year Arians coached, they plummeted to 25th under failed offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich last season. It was one of the deepest single-season scoring plunges in NFL history.
And that was with Tom Brady!
Seattle Pass Attempts Rank
2022: 15
2021: 31
2020: 17
2019: 23
2018: 32
2017: 16
2016: 19
2015: 28
2014: 32
2013: 31
2012: 32
2011: 25
2010: 15
2009: 1*
* — Jim Mora, Jr. coached Seahawks.
Seattle Points per Game Rank
2022: 9
2021: 16
2020: 8
2019: 9
2018: 8
2017: 11
2016: 18
2015: 5
2014: 10
2013: 9
2012: 9
2011: 25
2010: 23
February 16th, 2023 at 6:24 am
Love the breakdown; thanks Joe. Looking at Seattle’s PPG Scoring ranking, seems like they ranked in the Top-10 for 7 of the past 10 years. That’s quite impressive to me, because last I remember POINTS SCORED was the name of the game.
In terms of a ground-and-pound mentality, that may be a little misleading. Looks to me like Seattle’s offense over those years used more of a BALANCED ATTACK. Back in the very early days of Russell Wilson (2012-2015) Seattle did in fact run more than they passed (presumably because of Wilson’s skill set?). After that however, they transitioned to much more of a BALANCED ATTACK, with a run-pass ratio generally in the 40-45% range. This past season, for instance, with Geno Smith as their QB, Seattle’s run-pass ratio was 41.5%. Teams like the Eagles, Titans & Ravens ran it in the 48-50% range … that’s pretty much ground-and-pound.
February 16th, 2023 at 6:34 am
But he didn’t call plays ? So what’s the narrative here? Who knows what he brings to the team. He obviously has a plan in place and sold it to the bucs management
February 16th, 2023 at 6:38 am
2010-2022 Seattle Seahawks – Under Coach Pete Carroll
Top 10 Rushing Offense and Top 10 Rushing Defense
* 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019 (0.652 winning percentage)
Super Bowl wins for each coach over that span:
* 1 win (2013), 1 appearance (2014)
February 16th, 2023 at 6:47 am
They had skittles guy running the ball or course their going to run with a beast back like that
February 16th, 2023 at 6:49 am
I just hope Bowles is giving Canales creative freedom to tailor his offense in Tampa and etch out a new identity for the personnel we have or will be going out to get. Shane Waldron, Seattles’ OC now comes from the McVay tree, and I think fans are discounting the fact he worked under Darrell Bevell who’s been a pretty reputable Coach dating back to the early/mid 2000’s. I’m wishing the best of luck to Canales, idgaf wether it’s run/pass just score a lot of points and get the W.
February 16th, 2023 at 6:50 am
How many of those rushing attempts were by their quarterbacks?
February 16th, 2023 at 6:52 am
#Repost
Ground & Pound for the win
NFC and AFC with their Super Bowl Records and Winning Percentages in Seasons with Top 10 Rushing Offense and Top 10 Rushing Defense.
NFC
* Pete Carroll: 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019 (0.652 winning percentage)
* Doug Pederson: 2017, 2018 (0.625 winning percentage). * Mike McCarthy: 2011, 2013, 2014, 2018 (0.609 winning percentage). * Ron Rivera: 2013, 2014, 2017 (0.596 winning percentage)
AFC
* Bill Belichick: 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019 (0.688 winning percentage)
* Mike Tomlin: 2010, 2011, 2019 (0.625 winning percentage) * John Harbaugh: 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018, 2019 (0.579 winning percentage) * Gary Kubiak: 2011, 2014, 2015 (0.680 winning percentage) * Mike Tomlin: 2010, 2011, 2019 (0.625 winning percentage)
Super Bowl wins for each coach over that span: * Mike McCarthy: 1 win (2010) * Mike Tomlin: 1 appearance (2010) * John Harbaugh: 1 win (2012) * Pete Carroll: 1 win (2013), 1 appearance (2014)
* Bill Belichick: 2 wins (2014, 2016), 1 appearance (2017) * Gary Kubiak: 1 win (2015) * Doug Pederson: 1 win (2017)
Note: Under Coach Ron Rivera (2015) Carolina Panther were NFC Champs. * Ron Rivera: No Super Bowl wins or appearances with Top 10 in both categories
I doubt your paying a premium on Wide Receivers in this offensive model. Yet, It’s a more conservative, sustainable approach to the New NFL.
Where Quarterbacks are banking $200+ Million in guaranteed money.
February 16th, 2023 at 6:53 am
He has never called plays before so we cant know what to expect just looking at past numbers from Seattle Offense.
I am sure there will be some similar elements in his Offensive system and playbook.
So we will wait and we will see
February 16th, 2023 at 7:15 am
Borrrrrrrrrring. I probably won’t be watching this year. I like exciting football. I like long passes and creative play calling. I do NOT like run, run, pass, punt.
Thanks Glazers, you ruined 2023!
February 16th, 2023 at 7:21 am
@willieG
LOL. Pain is coming fo sure. But #Collaspe4Caleb is worth it.
February 16th, 2023 at 7:22 am
RIP no risk it no biscuit
Rest in piss Todd Bowls
February 16th, 2023 at 7:27 am
What is boring is wading through the crying Karens and negative Nancys herein.
GEEZZ. Their only friends are probably the keys on the keyboard.
February 16th, 2023 at 7:31 am
So… conservative snoozefesr offense.
Got it.
He’ll be canned along with coach Turd Bowl next January.
February 16th, 2023 at 7:38 am
Build Up the Trenches!!
February 16th, 2023 at 7:46 am
Stat… you will see
February 16th, 2023 at 7:47 am
Running the football as the primary focus of your offense is dinosaur thinking in 2023.
So, he’ll fit right in with the Buccaneers coaching staff.
February 16th, 2023 at 7:55 am
Canales has had a hand in developing WR Talent:
-Golden Tate
-Doug Baldwin
-Tyler Lockett
-DK Metcalf
Started out as WR coach in 2010, got bumped up to QB coach which preceded two of Russell Wilsons’ best seasons of his career in ’18 & ’19(runner up for MVP). From there he gets bumped up pass game coordinator in 2020 and Metcalf broke a bunch of Seahawks receiving records. Seattle had one if its’ best seasons statistically passing the ball in 2020. Russ leaves, Canales goes back to being QB coach and get Geno Smith looking like WVU Geno Smith. So, Canales has done some good work in this time in Seattle, this “ground & pound” talk is dumb af and you’re just jumping to conclusions to piss & moan because that’s easier than doing research. Stop pissing on the campfire
February 16th, 2023 at 7:56 am
Trade Fournette for a draft pick and sign Tony Pollard.
February 16th, 2023 at 7:57 am
Dinosaur?
Eagles – Rushing: 2509 | Avg: 4.6 | Rushing TD’s: 32
49ers – Rushing: 2360 | Avg: 4.7 | Rushing TD’s: 20
Cowboys – Rushing: 2298 | Avg: 4.6 | Rushing TD’s: 24
Bills – Rushing: 2232 | Avg: 4.3 | Rushing TD’s: 15
Note:
Seattle & The 49ers Finished in the 10th in total yards passing last year.
While also finishing in the top 10 in total yards rushing. #Balanced
Our Bucs Finished 5th in passing and 32nd in rushing.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:06 am
We can only wait and see.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:06 am
Canales was also a Passing Game Coordinator and coached Russell Wilson…..he was a WR coach for 7 years…..
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the ground and pound just yet….
February 16th, 2023 at 8:29 am
Seattle also has one of the better defenses during this time with a lot of three and outs and decisive turnover margin, giving the O more opportunity to score.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:31 am
Welcome coach, bucs desperately need a new voice on that side of the ball
February 16th, 2023 at 8:45 am
Sounds as exciting as the Ray Perkins led Bucs. Up the gut will be featured again? Up the gut is Bowles fave play I think. Off tackle will be a trick play.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:53 am
I guess now we will start to see who’s in the mix as WR,RB and other offensive coaches which I feel is very important too.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:58 am
Hired a young coach with 13 years experience on one of the most successful franchises in the NFL during that period. Worked with a QB who was the most improved in the league. Watched some tape on him. He’s high energy and rah, rah, type coach. By the way, precisely who did you guys want to be hired as OC? The only one I ever heard was the Georgia coach who failed in Cleveland. Also, look at the stats for the Super Bowl KC won because they were balanced.
February 16th, 2023 at 8:59 am
He is a man of Faith
His Faith will be tested like never before
Glazer’s sell the team!
February 16th, 2023 at 8:59 am
Seems like a pretty good pick. We’ll see. I don’t think OCs really have that much effect on the outcome of games especially with veteran quarterbacks who routinely change the play at the line of scrimmage anyway. But if Trask really does get the starting nod, then play calling does become more important, and also the running game becomes more important, because an effective running game and a qualify offensive line are the best friends of any inexperienced quarterback. Just ask Mr. Irrelevant on the 49ers.
February 16th, 2023 at 9:06 am
Hope this signals a total rebuild this year. If so the losing will be OK with me and fun to watch. If this is the start of a Bowles attempt to cobble together what is left of the winning Bucks then Uggh. All they could find was a middle of the road QB coach to take on the job.
February 16th, 2023 at 9:21 am
It seems like Bowles wants to permanently tone down the once high flying Bucs offense. I wonder if he told this guy?
February 16th, 2023 at 9:28 am
If the Bucs are going to emphasize the running game, they need to improve the Guard position because Goedeke is a Tackle and probably a pretty good one if left there.
February 16th, 2023 at 9:31 am
None of this matters if O line can’t pass block or open running lanes. Build. The. Trenches.
February 16th, 2023 at 9:32 am
Affordable game tickets here we come
February 16th, 2023 at 9:33 am
We got cute with BA handing over reins to Todd Bowles, and this will be another failure at OC.
February 16th, 2023 at 9:36 am
SBLV sell your internet connection
February 16th, 2023 at 9:39 am
As cap-limited as the Bucs are this year, I would love to see a determination to succeed in spite of that. And the only way you can plan on doing that is to target being the best rushing team in the league.
You aren’t going to get a top-10 quarterback. But in a league where most teams focus exclusively on the pass, there is room to acquire the pieces to build a dominating running team.
And you can win with that. And are poised for the next season when you can get that big time QB through free agency or the draft.
February 16th, 2023 at 10:00 am
Most of these stats are because they had a mobile QB in Wilson. He was not great in the pass game. Good coaches use their strengths and focus on what works.
The Bucs do not have the O Line to be good in the run game. Unless they strengthen it we will have to watch Chorus Line football all season….One-two-three- kick. One-two-three-kick…
February 16th, 2023 at 10:11 am
SKBucsFan … ‘Good coaches use their strengths and focus on what works. The Bucs do not have the O Line to be good in the run game.’
You’re 1st sentence is spot on SK. Your 2nd is speculation. With an OLine of D Smith, Hainsey (or Leverett), Jensen, Mason & Wirfs, the Bucs’ run blocking could be a LOT better than what we saw last season, as well as what we saw under BA. There was no attempt on BL’s part to use our running attack in such a way that it complements our passing attack. They just looked to Tom Brady to ‘git er done’.
None of us have any idea … at this point … how well our offense will perform in 2023. Heck we don’t even know what pieces we’ll end up with, or who’ll be quarterbacking this puppy.
February 16th, 2023 at 10:14 am
Mike… how does he “sell” his internet connect? I get you are responding to his comment about the Glazers selling the team. But man…you have to do better than that.
February 16th, 2023 at 10:16 am
DR…good point. Coach C will have to figure out what works and what works on the team he has this year. Without TB and his quick release, and after the draft and FA, he will have to access what we have. I hope we are good at something offensively. At this point, I’m really not sure what that will be.
February 16th, 2023 at 10:21 am
Well he’s not Brian Johnson, but he’s got what it takes to be Bowles yes man so here we are. This offense will be a Bowels offense. No way he is hands off this year. It may be his last.
It is what it is, so let’s do this. Bowles will gravitate to his comfort zone which can be best described by his years with the Jets and this guy, never having called plays will be pushed/pulled into that comfort zone by necessity. Maybe together they can make magic. We will see
February 16th, 2023 at 10:36 am
@Mark2001
Just bare bones, we’re going to run the ball and play action pass. Canales has the obvious connection to Pete Carroll, but to get a better understand of what Canales may lay as a foundation building his playbook you can just look at what Darrell Bevell did with the Hawks from ’11 to ’17 which was a west coast based, run the ball effectively and take shots downfield. Now, Canales is probably coming to work with a better pair of WRs than he’s ever had in Seattle at once, after developing guys like Doug Baldwin(UDFA) & Tyler Lockett(3rd rounder iirc) to getting an atheltic anamoly like DK Metcalf.
More interesting is what Canales will draw from the most recent OC he worked under being Shane Waldron, who had looks other teams wouldn’t dare even try like running RPOs out of 3 TE sets, installing and using more pistol with Geno Smith as a starter and pretty sure this is on account of Coach Carroll, but making sure the run game is established as a threat week in and week out. Waldron also liked using 12 & 13 personnel compared to Seattle lining up in mostly 11personnel prior to Waldron arriving. At the very least, just from Canales experience and who he’s worked under you can conclude he’s been exposed to a variety of offensive philosophies in 12 seasons in the NFL. There’s really no way to know for sure, without knowing what he’ll have to work with in terms of talent. Again, I’m praying Bowles & Licht sold him on having creative freedom as our OC.
February 16th, 2023 at 10:57 am
@ Defense Rules. I agree. I am just basing it on last year’s performance and the fact that if another key player goes down that there isn’t a lot of depth. We know Trask is a pocket passer and will need protection. After reading more about Canales it seems his focus is on balanced football. He has a background directly in the passing game as well so this could work out.
As a Bucs fan I wish him nothing but success and will support him until I cant. As a football enthusiast I just can’t see things being Superbowl worthy this year. And that is hard to accept.
February 16th, 2023 at 11:16 am
Dooley. I don’t doubt what he wants to do. But as was said, what we do well after FA and the draft is yet to be seen. I don’t think any OC will fail to adjust to what works, if the guys running the plays aren’t capable of carrying them out. It is Coach C’s business to figure out what works and what doesn’t.
February 16th, 2023 at 11:53 am
Drawing a straight line from Seattle offenses to project what Canales might do as OC here might be premature.
Canales has been a WR coach, a QB coach, and a passing game coordinator. Seems his specialty is in the passing game, no?
Does Bowles want an effective running game? Yes, clearly. Beyond that, we can’t really draw conclusions.
February 16th, 2023 at 11:54 am
SKBucsFan … I’m not convinced that Trask will be the starter, but if he is, he may surprise people with his mobility. No he’s not all that fast, but he is BIG (as in probably hard to bring down?). I’m not expecting us to be Super Bowl worthy either but I do expect our offense to be better than they were last year. It’s our defense I’m more concerned about. They’re starting from a very deep hole.
February 16th, 2023 at 12:27 pm
I wonder did this guy get an interview with any other teams?
February 16th, 2023 at 12:35 pm
@DG060
Canales interviewed with Baltimore twice.
February 16th, 2023 at 12:59 pm
One little thing…
Seattle had Russell Wilson for years and the Bucs seem to be starting a dud like Trask.
February 16th, 2023 at 1:20 pm
The defense will need to be better than at any time during the Bowels of Toad’s tenure in order for this team to compete at all.
With far lesser personnel.
Since the Toadster showed last year that his defense can’t stop any team that’s any good (except Seattle, LOL), and several key starters are going to be gone, the odds are better that a beer truck breaks down right in front of my house and the driver flees.
February 16th, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Sasquatch, one conclusion. He should’ve strangled both Bevel and Carrol after that call in 49. If he had any hand in it, he fits right in with Bowles and his stupid philosophy.
February 16th, 2023 at 2:26 pm
^ That call was overthinking… of course, the logic was understandable — NE would’ve been stacked to stop the run which everyone would have expected. It’s impossible to say what would’ve worked, but a play action counter with Russell rolling right way from the cluster in the middle might have left him wide open to run it in himself or toss to a TE peeling off. Second guessing is pointless, but it’s interesting to see how dug in people get. To this day, Marshawn is p!ssed. 😆
February 16th, 2023 at 3:02 pm
Trask will be fine at QB . he just needs to hand off the ball 3 out of every 4 plays.. Bowles kind-of offense …..
February 16th, 2023 at 3:55 pm
He actually has called plays before, in college.
He was also a passing game coordinator.
February 16th, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Of course we don’t know exactly what Canales will do until he does it.
But if the history of the Seahawks gives a clue, then let’s hear from those who closely followed the Seahawks in their glory years. I watched them intently for a good chunk of that time.
First, note that Todd Bowles’ man Jeremy Bates was the OC for one season and was mediocre but made it to playoffs. Then came the infamous Darrell Bevell, 2011-2017, which included the best seasons under Pete C. with Russell Wilson, the Legion of Boom defense, Marshawn Lynch, etc.
It’s important to note that even in their very best seasons during that stretch, the offense was never the focus. It was a pattern. The defense carried the team, while the offense, a conservative smashmouth system sprinkled with Russell Wilson improv, often struggled to score, sometimes for a half. In fits and starts, eventually opposing teams wore down.
The offenses were not creative. Tom Cable’s zone blocking scheme, Beast Mode. What magic there was happened when Wilson flushed out of the pocket, which was often.
What made these teams great were sheer physicality. Trenches. You cannot play this brand of football without a roster like it, which was rare.
The Bucs DO NOT have this kind of roster. If Bowles envisions the same thing, then we are going to see more of what was blamed on Leftwich. Run up the gut on first down, second down, bubble screen, punt. Let the defense dictate, unless it doesn’t.
We need to hear from Rich Sherman, who would have strong opinions on all of this.
February 16th, 2023 at 6:42 pm
Bowles got his guy for sure!
February 16th, 2023 at 8:03 pm
Sounds like back to boring ! Seats on 30 yard line and I have several years of torture once again. Not unaccustomed to low expectations.
Figure we draft a QB next year. Then rookie will need 2-3 years to grow.
So 4 years of season tickets to await possibly a good team again , without Bowles or Trash.
February 16th, 2023 at 11:48 pm
Steele. Thank you. The truth.
Some maroons prefer blind optimism, roses, cotton Candy, and Kyle’s Trashk at QB. Sapp continues to be right. Dumbest fans in the NFL, although not for the reasons Osqueely’all keeps regurgitating. But, he probably thinks the new OC is cute, since he has that thing for men.
February 17th, 2023 at 12:29 pm
Finally a start to adjust the offense!! The Bucs need to bulk up those young o linemen!! Bigger, stronger, more protein and weights please!!!