Tanking For A QB In 2024 Is Bad Strategy
January 23rd, 2023
One reason Tom Brady might want to play for the Buccaneers next season also is the same reason it’s a bad organizational move to tank the 2023 season for a shot to draft a stud quarterback in 2024.
The reason is simple: the NFC South is horrible, which hurts the odds of winning a tank job. And if you lose a tank job, then you’ve really set back your franchise.
Look at the Panthers this season. They started 1-5 and then Panthers owner David Tepper and management sounded the tanking alarm. They cut quarterback Baker Mayfield and traded their best player, Christian McCaffrey, to San Francisco for four draft picks.
Smart move. But look at the result.
Despite starting a former XFL quarterback for a stretch, Carolina finished 7-10 in the miserable NFC South and now sits with the No. 9 pick in the 2023 NFL Draft. At least three quarterback-needy teams draft before them, and that number could be as many as five.
Sage of Tampa Bay Sports Ira Kaufman, after talking to Falcons head coach Arthur Smith at the 2022 NFL Owners Meetings, came away thinking the Falcons were tanking this season to set themselves up for the 2023 draft.
The Falcons even signed brittle runaround QB Marcus Mariota to be their starter, installed a rookie third-round pick behind him and didn’t bolster their pass rush. Like Carolina, Atlanta also finished 7-10.
Some fans want the Bucs to go young next season, clear salary cap room and give it their best (worst?) shot to score a special pick in the 2024 draft so they can land a stud young QB.
Joe maintains that attempt would be a low-percentage play in the NFC South, which is littered with bad head coaches and teams with massive holes.
The Bucs lost every division game in 2014, when they tanked and won The Chase For Jameis, in part because Cam Newton, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan were in their primes.
Of course, that season ultimately served as a reminder that top-pick quarterbacks too often prove to be second-tier players.
Joe would puke if the Bucs tried to tank for a QB and failed.
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:47 pm
No, ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Tanking is for losers and the last time we picked #1, we picked one of the most prolific turnover machines in the NFL!
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:53 pm
CALEB WILLIAMS IS LISTED AT 6’1′.
SO HE’S REALLY 6’0′.
TOO SMALL.
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:53 pm
Agree. No tanking. Always play every game to win or get out of football.
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:55 pm
The Bucs tanked once and set back this team 5 miserable years…
Tanking is for LOSERS and loser mentality…
WAY to many 1st over all picks turn BUST to make such a risky move…
Rather take shots at a Brady or Burdy late in the draft oppose to wasting an entire season on 1 position!
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:56 pm
This team is dysfunctional in the Front office on down.
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:57 pm
I hope God illuminate Licht and so he can spend wisely…. On a rebuild period, is just being clever that’s all ….
Tanking for a QB is just stupid…..
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:59 pm
I thought Joe was all in for Drake Maye? If will probably take a top five pick to get him. But there is no need to tank because Todd Bowles will get is a very high pick on his head coaching experience alone.
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:59 pm
I don’t ever want to see an organization tank on purpose. It’s disgusting.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:02 pm
“zzbuc Says:
January 23rd, 2023 at 12:57 pm
I hope God illuminate (sic) Licht and so he can spend wisely…”
Which god?
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:05 pm
The bucs have a pretty good roster right now especially on offense\, bring in Dan Mullen as the OC and run with Gabbert or Trask and put some points up and screw the tanking talk…maybe the bucs go 8-9 but it will be exciting
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:07 pm
Sadly,
The unspoken truths…..is that there are plenty of people in many organizations that 100% agree with doing what you have to do in order to get their franchise QB…..
Think about it…..get lucky on the pick and your team is set for the next 10 – 14 years at the most important position in the NFL.
Isn’t that worth tanking?????
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:09 pm
We also don’t know enough about Trask to know we could tank. At worst he would be worth 3 wins against halfway decent teams. That would mean an 8 win season.
At best he might win 10 gains and take the division again.
Take Bennett in the fifth and start a competition. If he and Trask work out it is better for the team anyway, because first round bust more often than they don’t.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:09 pm
I agree tanking is bad on many levels.
Winning cures a lot.
Go Bucs!!!
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:12 pm
Tanking is only for the terrible teams not smart if you are average
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:14 pm
Or even the Texans. They did all the right things. They traded their QB and hired Lovie Smith to coach. He even failed at getting the #1 pick.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:20 pm
Guys with Toilet Bowles at HC, the bucs don’t need to tank. He’s going to be going all out to win and the Bucs are going to be 5-12 at best. Probably going to be like 2-15 in all honesty.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:26 pm
This is Todd Bowles HC record with the jets
2015- 10-6
2016- 5-11
2017- 5-11
2018- 4-12
Bucs
2021- 13-4 under BA
2022- 8-9
There’s a pattern here if you look at the 2015-2016 seasons and the 2021-2022 seasons.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:27 pm
Tanking is for losers. The way it looks now we will get high draft picks without wilfully losing. I want to see exciting football from our Bucs.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:28 pm
CollapseforCaleb!
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Just as hard to tank as it is to play the right way, and Bowles can at least coach this team to mediocrity. Put a team in place outside of the regime to develop a young player. Maybe I am getting older, but the newer groups of college quarterbacks seem to not be well versed in how the NFL game works, and it takes them too long to acclimate. The best ones are on the worst teams and throw into the fire with no support and a quick hook.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Drafting quarterbacks in the first round is overrated, the only thing that needs to be fixed is our coaching staff
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:32 pm
I remember when one of the Joe(s) was head-over-heels for the Bucs to take Johnny Football………Jameis was bad enough!
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:33 pm
NEWS FLASH …
With Bowles as HC, we don’t have to try to suck. Saying, “We’re tanking,” is a positive spin on the inevitable train wreck.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:37 pm
QB is meaningless without a quality Oline-as we all witnessed this season.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Bucs rebuilds have taken 12 years on average. The next one will probably take longer.
I’m too old for that.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:40 pm
We looked like a tanking team with Tom Brady at QB. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why people are so gung-ho about bringing him back next year.
From an ownership POV I can understand it. He equals butts in the seats.
From a football POV I can’t understand it. He threw for a bunch of yards, yes, but he averaged 43 pass attempts a game and gained a measly 6.4 yards per attempt. That puts him at the bottom of the league. He also had a worse rating than Daniel Jones. Those are Mike Glennon numbers.
I don’t care what he did at the end of a couple games against prevent defense. What did he do for the first 3/4 of every game? The only reason he had a chance to pull out a couple of those miracle wins was because the defense balled out and kept them in the game, playing from behind for 90% of the game.
Brady may be the greatest of all time, but he is done now.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:41 pm
AMEN!
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:41 pm
Never tank.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:42 pm
Collapse 4 Caleb!
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:43 pm
As a fan of football, I have zero interest in watching/following a team who is tanking. I keep repeating ALL the time: Win or lose, I just want my team to be competitive.
If tanking becomes obvious in 2023, I’ll start watching the newly-formed Competitive Cross-Stitching league where each player must be 60years old and a Grandma. It’s either that or back to watching glue dry on wet paint – scintillating stuff, guys!
No tanking for this fan. Hard Pass. No.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:44 pm
Sorry Joe it was under moderation….and then it disappear for a second.
So I typed it another way.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:47 pm
No tank! Just get a better staff and GM.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:47 pm
Keeping Bowles in place IS the tank anyways.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:48 pm
Not saying Licht is bad, if you’re tanking, you need better people running the team.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:52 pm
Good organizations ride journeymen vets while grooming a young QB. There will be serviceable vet’s available, with the line getting healthy and WRs we have along with RBs, some QB can be serviceable while we develop a younger QB. As for Trask, Arians can hype him all he wants but the dude was a 2nd rd pick that the Bucs would love to have as a legitimate back up this past yr. He was active for ONE game. Arians also hyped Gabbert, Leftwich and hand picked Bowles to take over…..none of which performed up to the hype.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:53 pm
We already have the worst winning PCT. In the league ALLTIME! Anything adding to that is a hard no. It’s sickening to see John Lynch in SF. The Glazers should offer him part ownership to bring him in. That would certainly change the culture.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:55 pm
Don’t be like the Saints. Know when your time is done and reset the roster. If you do it right you can be right in it in a year or two. They have kicked the can down the road but the bill is due for all these free agents with void able years. I think if Brady plays somewhere else he will still count against the Bucs cap this year for about 33 mil. They are not going to compete for a championship next year so why try so hard just to win 6 or 7 games. Being terrible next year will help potentially get a franchise qb and get loser Bowles out of here. Sounds like a win win to me.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:58 pm
No time for terrible.
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:59 pm
I really don’t think the Bucs have to tank to end up 5-12/4-13…They just have to play Trask or another middling cast-off low dollar career BU they find in FA & let the chips fall where they may.
What’s left of the SB run roster is old & expensive, missing critical depth & little money to juggle about to fill UFA holes & pay a Tier 1 QB…Not that there will be one of those guys available, beyond a very likely washed 46yr old TB12…& not so sure TB12 guarantees a NFC South Title in 2023 – with new OC, new system to learn & a make-shift fill gap roster.
Basically half the 2022 roster are UFA’s in a matter of weeks… & not many $$$ players will be back, from the sound of it. (& half of what’s left signed to the roster did not impress in 2022)…So, feels like a bad formula for immediate future success.
I really think that TB12 Bucs SB window has closed, regardless what mortgaging of the future takes place this off-season. But hope I’m wrong.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:00 pm
@gotbbucs
Brady never wanted to throw for 700+ attempts. It’s the coaches responsibility to have a decent running game but it was dead last. If you watch the Seattle game and the Cowboys game, they looked pretty good right on offense? They rushed for over 100 yards in both games. The way to beat Brady, even in his prime, is shut down the run (check), interior pressure (check cause the interior oline is abysmal, goedeke was rated 43.4 out of 100 on pff), and rushing four and putting seven in coverage (check). Most QBs need a decent rushing game but Brady even moreso because he’s the most immobile QB in the NFL.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:00 pm
It’s probably going to be rough next season at any rate bucs need alot.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:04 pm
remember when we wanted suh and got mccoy…
remember when we wanted jameis over marcus and neither panned out…
remember mccoy not doing all that much as a buc, while suh comes here 10 years later and stabilized a championship front line…
tank for nothing, until a season is a wash out, and only then if it makes sense…
#HalfTheseDraftedFranchiseQBsFlopOutAnyway
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:05 pm
Maybe they can just sign Byron to play QB if Brady doesn’t come back?😀
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:05 pm
I didn’t know the Bucs had the worse winning/ losing percentage all time. Something else is funny the next two teams behind the Bucs is Jacksonville and Arizona these three teams had Lefty as a coach or quarterback.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:11 pm
There are no guarantees that a high first rd pick succeeds… ask Mariota, Winston, Mandela, etc Nor that they last more than a game due to a career ending injury. Not to mention, tanking is about as unethical as it gets in sports… maybe billionaire owners want to make up for those fat contracts and they start tanking for Vegas. Tanking is a $h!t move for fans who pay full price and expect a full product. It is shameful to even consider and really illustrates a broken moral compass. Wtf, tank stadium price gouging
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:11 pm
also you gotta wonder if jameis sat behind brady, patiently like a sponge for 3 years, could he have been groomed to the point where he could jump back in as the starting qb and do it right
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:12 pm
Lol, you can ask Mandela, but he’d probably talk soccer
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:16 pm
adam did you see the famous jameis eat a w speech lol?
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:17 pm
Right on ChiBuc!! Being in Michigan means I’ll have to pay to watch them play on TV. I don’t really know that I want to if the plan is to tank. Or just going back to the losing ways of old.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:20 pm
Please name 1 first rd QB this franchise has ever groomed to success. Williams is the closest you’ll get and even ge had to leave to succeed. Both of our SBs had mercenary QBs at the helm. And now, you believe Todd Bowles and some mystery OC will get the job done?
I recall Rogers riding the pine until Farve left, and he turned out OK. Give Trask a look and stop thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:20 pm
Tanking is a crappy philosophy especially 6 months before the season starts.
Rebuild after trading and jettisoning whoever. The W-L will take care of it self, it’s more important to begin building the nucleus as soon as possible and that is the upcoming season.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:26 pm
Tbh drafting an Aaron Rodgers, or a Mahomes, an allen, or burrow is really, really hard. I’d go all in on Lamar and trade like 3 firsts to get him and pay him. You’d have to backload the deal cause the salary cap next year but once you have a franchise QB you’re set for like 10 years. Plus Lamar with ME13 and CG would be fun to watch. You don’t really need an oline with lamar so trade donovan smith draft a rookie LT. Defense try to keep pieces and the bucs will continue to be a contender cause the NFC South is very weak rn.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:29 pm
the whole world saw the famous “eat a w” speech…
the funny thing is if jameis and the bucs were 13-4 that year, and the season before, and he rocked that infamous speech, buc fans just might be walking around in “eat a w” t-shirts…
it’s funny how things work sometimes…
winning changes everything…
losing changes everything…
buc fans were not ready for his “eat a w” speech with how the culture was then
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:31 pm
@adam Yeah you’re right if they were winning “eat a w” shirts would have been selling like hotcakes
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:46 pm
@BradyFan:
i agree about grabbing up lamar jackson…
just do it…pay the man…change the whole system…
it’s one qb change that can work with bowles old school “let’s win with defense” philosophy…
then they can add less on offense and more on defense because that’s what bowles probably wants anyway…
but if you can snag monken, i’d swerve away from lamar and go for a sling the ball offense like we’ve had the past few years…
a lot of dynamics at play this off season
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:52 pm
Tanking is for losing cultures……I thought we were done with that.
How do we even know what we have in Trask…..has he ever thrown in a game to Evans or Godwin……had Wirfs to protect him….handed off to Lenny or Rachaad….nope.
The only think Trask has been afforded is Camarda…..
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:54 pm
Tell this to the Bengals who got this generations Brady by tanking. We are way over the cap. Take your lumps this year and draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye if Trask can’t win the NFC South.
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:54 pm
It hardly ever works out. Unless it’s a sure thing like Manning, I wouldn’t do it. Besides, the roster isn’t that bad.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:02 pm
The Bucs are not tanking. They are going to have to let go of older players and high salary players, renegotiate a bunch, and rely on younger unproven players. That seems like reality to me. But that’s not tanking. They’re going out to win every week. If they don’t buy a bunch of expensive free agents and go “all in” it’s because the cap space isn’t there and it’s time for a reset and reload. That’s not tanking.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:09 pm
Tanking for Winston turned into Weapons for Winston.
And the team still sucked.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:13 pm
All those whining for 6′ Caleb were the ones who whined for Jameis.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:16 pm
DRAFT MR. IRRELEVANT AT QB THIS YEAR! PURDY WAS & HE LOOKS LIKE HE’S GOT THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE IT.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:21 pm
Dom, Joe Burrow is a once in a generation type player, like Manning was. For everyone of those guys, there’s a pile of busts. Like I said, if you can guarantee getting a guy like that, id do it for sure. With the bucs luck, they’d do it and wind up with Jamarcus Russell. To tank, you need a horrible roster for starters. Bucs aren’t that bad. There’s also no guarantee you secure the first pick. It’s just to risky.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:31 pm
that picture right there reminds us of bad memories…. heartaches… nightmares…
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:34 pm
If they do decide to tank for a quarterback, I hope they make it obvious so that I don’t waste one second on my life watching them or rooting for them next year. I can’t imagine even thinking about tanking until you are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Any other time is criminal and you should have your franchise taken away from you. Period. Don’t waste my time or my emotions.
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:35 pm
Uhh, what round was Tom Brady chosen?? How about Jameis Winston?
Just saying!
January 23rd, 2023 at 3:42 pm
But those teams don’t have Todd Bowles.
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:02 pm
Just get rid of the old and slow players. With Bowles, tanking will be the norm.
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:10 pm
No capologist will be able to rescue this coming season. We might as well embrace it and just enjoy the memories that Brady brought us.
This will be a lost season and we will need a QB. Mediocrity will only get you more mediocrity.
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:29 pm
The other reason not to tank is that NFL scouts have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to quarterbacks. Mahomes was the 10th pick. Josh Allen went 7th. Jalen Hurts 53rd overall. Brock Purdy 262nd. They have no idea.
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:39 pm
Start Kyle Trask for 17 games and I can assure you we’ll get a good draft pick!
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:46 pm
Can someone explain to me why Kyle Trask was drafted?
TIA
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:51 pm
This a most definitely not a tank franchisee. If anything they will just totally suck and get a higher pick.
January 23rd, 2023 at 4:51 pm
If the Bucs don’t sign Tom Brady they will pick in the top 5 next year, Despite the NFC South being terrible having Todd Bowles as the coach will mean the Bucs win 4 or fewer games next year.
January 23rd, 2023 at 5:19 pm
@ocala
What? No. Bucs would be going to the Super Bowl & win it if Kyle Trask be starting next year.
January 23rd, 2023 at 5:24 pm
@unbelievable
I didn’t want Trask from the beginning. No QB makes it out of there. They always struggle. Between there, Michigan, Ohio St, USC & Alabama most of the QBs struggle. I think the only QBs that actually did anything from those schools were Palmer Starr Theismann Namath & of course Brady. Who knows about Fields yet & Tua has been dealing with his problems recently, too!
January 23rd, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Tanking is a bad idea. Even though the QB position is the most important position on the field it’s still only one guy on a 53 man roster. A rookie QB almost never turns a team around by himself in their first season unlike in the NBA where tanking does work at times. Besides, look at the Panthers. It’s as if the players on that team didn’t follow the script and decided to take their careers into their own hands. I doubt Tepper is happy the team ended up at 7-10.
January 23rd, 2023 at 6:09 pm
Here is why you don’t want to collapse for a QB ( sadly it will probably get flagged and you won’t see it until tomorrow) I count mebbe 40% of these guys being effective, and I even included Daniel Jones in that group
2022 Kenny Pickett
2021 Trevor Lawrence
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance
Justin Fields
Mac Jones
2020 Joe Burrow
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Herbert
2019 Kyler Murray
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
2018 Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Allen
Josh Rosen
2017 Mitchell Trubisky
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
2016 Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Paxton Lynch
2015 Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
2014 Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
2013 EJ Manuel
2012 Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden
2011 Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
2010 Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
2009 Matthew Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
2008 Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
2007 JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
2006 Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
2005 Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
2004 Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
2003 Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
January 23rd, 2023 at 6:27 pm
What I take from this is that Joe still doesn’t get Brady. If you think the most competitive QB in history wants to stay to master this trash duvision you are delusional. He wants to play on a team with a winner culture and coach… the division is irrelevant. No way in H3ll he avoids a tough division for the right team… that would be a loser mentality…
January 23rd, 2023 at 6:30 pm
I’m glad I do not have season tickets next year. The Bucs won’t have to try, they may go for 0 organically. Just let it come naturally. All the important pieces are already in place. With a few key departures and the job will be complete.
January 23rd, 2023 at 6:49 pm
Whats the point of tanking when we know this coaching staff will blow the pick. And who is going to develop the next great TB qb?
January 23rd, 2023 at 7:51 pm
Nicholas, absolutely. Same scouts passed on Brady 6 times. A sure thing doesn’t come around often, then you need to develop them. Look at how much Allen fell off without Daboll. I wish they’d draft these guys with makeup being more of a factor. Brady famously told Bob Kraft as a rookie that he was the best decision he ever made. Look at Zack Wilson. The dude will be playing in Canada when his deal is up.
January 23rd, 2023 at 8:21 pm
Bradyfan and AdamNY –
Jackson will never win a super bowl. He is mediocre at best in the passing game. How have a the running QBs done this year? Same as every other year. Sitting at home. Mahomes is the only highly mobile QB standing, and he won’t be running around this week much with that high-ankle. So Andy Reid will just out scheme Cinci… though Joe B. will likely outplay him while not gaining a single yard on the ground. Everyone wants Vick and Cunningham and Jackson and etc. running QB… and Im gonna guess that all running QBs ever combined have about the same number of SB wins as Brady…
January 23rd, 2023 at 9:15 pm
For every Jameis Winston, there is a Joe Burrow.
January 23rd, 2023 at 9:39 pm
Tanking vs. not tanking vs. partially tanking is a complex decision that hinges on many factors. We have seen all three, and various results. The best scenario is to land that young franchise QB at the bottom of a tank or near-tank, also coupled with supporting playmakers on both offense and defense. Nothing is more dangerous that a young team that is emerging as well as deep, and the potential for years of dominance.
Landing that great QB requires that your talent evaluators are outstanding, and that is a project that should have been started long ago, with scouting as well as knowledge of competing teams’ rosters, trade options and free agency. I am not confident that the current regime, especially with Bowles at HC, is qualified.
January 23rd, 2023 at 9:46 pm
Marc Coppola – what are you talking about… there are 1,000,000 Winstons and only a handful of Burrows… are you high?
January 23rd, 2023 at 11:03 pm
TampaBayBucsFanSince1976 Says:
January 23rd, 2023 at 1:37 pm
QB is meaningless without a quality Oline-as we all witnessed this season.
Bengals figured it out.. coaching matters!
January 24th, 2023 at 12:04 am
The age bias going on here is completely crazy
The media & casual fans keep saying Brady should retire all bc he is the oldest qb in the league & not based on actual production/decline & that is unfair & unfortunate
Just look at the stats & you will see Brady had a solid year for anybody other than himself & maybe prime Manning and that is not fair to compare an all time great to himself bc they will rarely match up
To all the foolish Brady haters/so called bucs fans I hope you realize that this team has absolutely no chance to get anybody better than Brady for the next couple years at least so not sure why these jackwagons want him gone so bad and are in such a rush to be mediocre to bad & irrelevant
Not sure why or how all the talking heads are begging for Brady to retire all while saying guys like Rogers & Carr just need a change of scenary despite the fact that Brady played better and had better seasons than all of those guys and all the free agents this year including Lemar( due to health likely but the best ability is availability
Fans and media should stop the ageism and selfish concerns about not wanting to see Brady at 80% or more of his ability even though that drop still leaves him in the top 10 qbs in the league
Imagine being one the the 1- or so best at any profession and having half the world tell you to retire before you are ready?? Only in Sports I guess but still not right for a guy coming off an MVP caliber season last year and rdragging a lifeless team into the playoffs this year
Only about 3-4 other qb’s imo could have done as good or better than TB12 did this year with this roster, awful line & putrid- high school level coaching staff!! Anybody even know who the “defensive cordinater” was this year? The fact that Toilet Bowls was that much into the d should have told management that he wasnt up to the task of coaching a team of this claiber based on the success of the last two seasons
Only Todd the Toilet Bowl could turn a great gourmet meal into total crap terds!! Fire Todd!!
January 24th, 2023 at 12:14 am
adam from ny Says:
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:11 pm
also you gotta wonder if jameis sat behind brady, patiently like a sponge for 3 years, could he have been groomed to the point where he could jump back in as the starting qb and do it right
Yeah, let’s draft an overall number one pick that can’t keep his hands off women and sit him for 3 years.. hope that’s a joke
January 24th, 2023 at 1:24 am
Joe would puke if the Bucs tried to tank for a QB and failed
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That’s why you have succeed. Last time the Bucs rolled out QBs as bad as Trask, they ended up with the top pick.
As for Winston, that wasn’t a bust. That team won the Super Bowl by making on more personnel change. I’ll take that.
January 24th, 2023 at 1:28 am
adam from ny Says:
January 23rd, 2023 at 2:11 pm
also you gotta wonder if jameis sat behind brady, patiently like a sponge for 3 years, could he have been groomed to the point where he could jump back in as the starting qb and do it right
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People seem to forget that Winston literally broke his back this year. These dullards that don’t pay attention to the news seem to think the Saints willingly played Dalton – that’s not the case, they gave Winston some good money for a reason. During his time there I think he went 6-3, and on teams with very little offensive talent outside of Kamara.
At this point the ship has sailed, but Winston is young enough to play for a very long time still — although since he really started to slim down those health issues have kept popping up. Winston should put like 30 or 40 pounds back on, get that blubber protection layer, when he had that, he was a lot more healthy.
January 24th, 2023 at 8:27 am
For every Joe Burrow, there’s 10 Jameis Winstons.
January 24th, 2023 at 10:34 am
I don’t want to spend 20 months waiting for a glimmer of hope… I want to watch the team compete now.
It’s not ALL about the postseason and super bowl, as a fan why would we watch 17 regular season games?
Also, tanking to get a better draft pick is dishonorable.
January 24th, 2023 at 1:27 pm
The web site I extra that list from most have shown 5 or 6 1st rounders over the years for the Bills. Nearly all are no longer playing