Coaches Who Remain Are Interesting
January 19th, 2023
Shakeup.
The bloodletting at One Buc Palace is now official.
The Bucs released a list of coaches who were released this morning. Other coaches who were booted, with some surprise for Joe, was kicking coach Chris Boniol and assistant defensive line coach Lori Locust.
The Boniol firing seems very odd as Ryan Succop was money and clutch inside the 40, the best kicker the Bucs have had since Matt Bryant. And rookie punter Jake Camarda is already one of the best punters in the league.
Joe cannot speak to Locust other than she brought the Bucs a whole lot of positive publicity due to Bucco Bruce Arians’ work in diversity. It wasn’t like she was in charge of the defensive line.
Also, outside linebacker coach Bob Sanders retired. Joe had heard a lot of good things about Sanders in preseason. Joe guesses Joe Tyron-Shoyinka’s non-development (he had as many sacks as he did his rookie year, four) was a big, big factor.
On Tuesday, Joe asked Bucs coach Todd Bowles if the team would be looking to add an outside linebacker with Shaq Barrett’s Achilles injury and the jury still being out on JTS, Bowles told Joe that the defense must get more sacks from the outside linebackers.
What Joe finds very, very interesting is that both offensive line coaches, Harold Goodwin and Joe Gilbert, are thus far safe.
For those who have injured ankles from stomping their feet day and night about the offensive line, this speaks volumes that the Bucs were convinced the offensive line, contrary to what the freakout crowd believes, was not the problem on offense.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:29 pm
How about the ST coach. Please fire him as well.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:30 pm
Arguably Goodwin did as good a job as could be expected given the situation he was put in. Retirement from one of the best guards in the NFL. One of the best centers goes down in training camp. Trying to weave in a rookie at guard. Basically trying to patch holes as the seasons getting started. Hard to argue he did the best he could with what he had. And obviously you could add Gilbert to that statement. As for Keith Armstrong… Not sure why he gets a pass as it’s his scheme, while the kicker’s coach gets canned after his kickers did well. Strange.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:35 pm
Blocking assignments/scheme are every bit as imperative in a play design – it’s not just about scheming receivers open, it’s putting olinemen in a better position to succeed. Telling you right now the Shanahan family can come down here and have even the Bucs rushing for 150 yards a game
January 19th, 2023 at 1:36 pm
So, Lori Locust was hired to check the diversity and inclusion box, instead of having a competent assistant D-line coach….. oh boy…. where is this world heading…..
January 19th, 2023 at 1:37 pm
If Goodwin is the run game coordinator he needs to go.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:38 pm
Makes no sense to fire the assistant problems and keep the source of the problems.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:39 pm
I know Joe has written in the past that these OLine coaches know how to develop players and I agree. I hope that they stick around. Hopefully we can sign an OC ASAP and reload these positions coaches.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:40 pm
Strength and Conditioning coaches needs to be fired as well. Almost all players, left and right, are getting injured.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:41 pm
But Joe todd said we need to be better on long field goals…..even though it’s more important to hit them from reasonable range.
Time for another kicking carousel!
January 19th, 2023 at 1:43 pm
Is “retire “ the new woke word for fire ?
January 19th, 2023 at 1:44 pm
This may be blasphemy…but I can see Keith Armstrong getting another shot. Unlike Leftwurst, he did adapt a little and booted Darden who I scream at basically every time he touched the ball. Also Zyon has become a great gunner, Camarda has been very effective, and working in a lot of rookies effectively. Kicking game is rough with Succup not being able to make a 50 yarder. Sure he’s accurate inside 50, but his increased accuracy is offset by his inability to add points for the team at longer range. Maybe Boniol had too much power over the position. ST wasn’t spectacular, but I do think the last half of the year or so it was very solid and less of an obvious weakness. Being able to adapt and have improvement is worth keeping around at least another year
January 19th, 2023 at 1:45 pm
Bowles got handed the job on March 30th, clearly he was just a figurehead, the entire point was to just keep everything as is. Somehow they thought Leftwich was smart enough to just do what Arians did, but clearly, Leftwich is a low-IQ moron who thought he’d improve on Arians offense by making it much more predictable and adding a bunch of 1 yard WR screens, and then call the same plays over and over again, in the same order.
This is now Bowles first legit season as a head coach. Not that I expect much as the team is in legit cap hell and is going to lose a lot of games as Brady isn’t returning, but at least Bowles will get to roll with his guys for one season — and then he’ll been fired as well.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:50 pm
If a guy is a four time loser during his Jets Head Coaching Job, and 1.5 years as a Buc (HC and DC), why do we expect something new for another year…. unless the Glazers really want to p.o. its fan base.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:50 pm
Greg Roman stepped down, he seems like the kind of OC Bowles might be looking for as he has engineered a very good Baltimore run game, of course with the help of a certain QB who is in a weird contract situation…bring ‘em both on board.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:51 pm
Here comes Greg Roman.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:51 pm
Bowles did the same thing in NY. You can only blame other people for your own failings so many times. I’ve heard this one too, oh Bowles didn’t even get to hire his own guys. He hired an 18 man staff with the jets. By his final year, he had fired 14 of them. It’s always someone else’s fault with this guy.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:51 pm
As for the offensive line, you should want to keep the coaches there. This had been a top unit for years, and this last year you had massive turnover and injuries. Also the line was not as bad as people think – the running game didn’t work because of one guy, that is Leftwich. That idiot running over and over and over again, up the middle, on every first down, when other teams are putting 8 in the box … seriously, you don’t make any adjustments to that?
As for the offensive line, next year they will actually be quite a bit better I think. As part of the cap hell turnover, they might dump Donovan Smith (as a post-June 1st cut). I’m not as anti-Donovan as others, you need to give your LT help when he’s going against top guys, and again, stupid Leftwich was too stupid to do that. But, if Smith is gone, you should move Wirfs to LT. Meanwhile Luke wasn’t good at guard, but looked just fine at his natural position of RT, so maybe you put him back there. Also with Jensen back, maybe you move Hainsey to LG. If Luke can hold his own at RT, I’d say you just got a good line.
Not that the line really matters since, with Trask at QB, the team is going 3-14. But use this next year to see what core pieces you have. If Hainsey can play guard and center, that’s a nice piece. If Luke is a solid RT, that’s huge. If Wirfs can be as good at LT as he is at RT, you got the best LT in football, and that’s huge.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:51 pm
How is Armstrong still the ST coordinator.
ST are way to bad for all the years he is the coach and still he stays.
So i guess no accountability there, i mean i cant get it.
Unbelievable
January 19th, 2023 at 1:52 pm
Todd Bowels is a SCAREDY CAT HC!!!!!! How can you claim to be proud of your defense when you are too afraid to go for it on fourth down because you don’t trust your defense to stop an offense from gaining more 10+ yards? Hopefully teams won’t stop us on 3rd down because EVERYONE knows the fraidy cat Todd Bowels will always punt on 4th down
January 19th, 2023 at 1:53 pm
This just screams poor leadership. In business you don’t fire all of your managers, you start with the person in charge. If Bowles has to fire this many people its because he cannot lead.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:57 pm
Brady isn’t coming back – and I’d be fine with Greg Roman IF it means you’re getting a mobile QB and running that Ravens offense. I mean put Evans and Godwin in that Ravens offense, and if you got good QB play… that would be dangerous.
To be clear, I’m saying Roman only IF you got a mobile QB. I don’t want a Joe Flacco offense with Trask running it. Oh God no.
Also, if you get Greg Roman, please sign Quinton Flowers and let the guy play QB. Flowers was so much better than Lamar Jackson in college and they’re about the same size. I do not understand how Flowers never got a shot in the NFL as him and Lamar were just about the same size, same arm strength, and Flowers had better numbers in the same conference.
January 19th, 2023 at 1:58 pm
@ Joe
Once this line lost Marpet, Cappa and Jenson it became a below average line…
We never once blamed the coaches for this below average line.
S. Mason and Hainsey performed pretty well given the circumstances but LT D. Smith and LG L. Goedeke were very below average.
So let’s be honest. The real fans here never blamed the line coaches for a below average line.
We all knew it was going to be a rough ride when Marpet retired and Jenson went down.
D. Smith is bad. One of the worst in the NFL… He is the one who deserves to be FIRED…
January 19th, 2023 at 1:58 pm
Confido75 Says: If Bowles has to fire this many people its because he cannot lead.
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But they weren’t his people, that’s the entire point of house cleaning. Those were Arians people, Bowles had no say in any of that, he was handed the team and told not to touch anything until after this season.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:03 pm
For those who have injured ankles from stomping their feet day and night about the offensive line, this speaks volumes that the Bucs were convinced the offensive line, contrary to what the freakout crowd believes, was not the problem on offense.
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Silly take.
So Durable Donnie “regresses” but the coaching is fine.
JTS provides the same output for sacks but the coaching stinks.
Ok Joe……. keep beating that drum.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:04 pm
That’s pretty crazy fire the assistants- Rb and Wr coaches, but keep the O line coaches. Another stupid move by the Bucs.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:07 pm
Btw, the jury isn’t still out on JTS. The guy is a total bust. I feel sorry for poor Sanders who had to lie about how good JTS was. Better to retire than have to keep coaching someone who is never going to be any good.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:08 pm
The STC is the worst in the NFL but he keeps his job
Bowles is horrible at making management decisions as he proved at his last HC opportunity
How are all these people suddenly incompetent when they have gone 22-5 prior to him?????????
LOOK IN THE MIRROR Todd!!!!
January 19th, 2023 at 2:10 pm
The Bucs offensive line coaches were OBVIOUSLY not the problem as the Bucs had one of the best O-lines in football before it was hacked up due to free agency, retirement, and injuries… I never thought for a moment that Goodwin would be gone. He’s got a solid rep.
Who are the idiots calling for firing O-line coaches — obviously people with small brains, short memories, and no fooking clue.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:11 pm
Think you are looking at it backwards. Perhaps these guys won 29 games the two previous seasons because of Bruce Arians.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:11 pm
Cluster fcccck year 2 incoming
January 19th, 2023 at 2:12 pm
Still hoping they’ll let Armstrong go. Can’t understand how he remains when his group consistently underperforms.
Releasing the kicking coach is no great surprise as it’s not typical to have one on most staffs anyway. That was part of Arians’ overstaffed approach.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:12 pm
To save his job, Bowles would have to show that the horrible team was all because he couldn’t hire the assistants he wanted, so give him another chance. So all these firings are not entirely surprising.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:15 pm
OK Todd. Now you have your scapegoats. What are you going to do to fix the glaring fact that your defense blows gap assignments and busts coverages so damn often? It’s ok, you won’t answer, maybe because you can’t. Seriously, Todd — what are you going to do in 2024 when you’re out of football and unemployed?
January 19th, 2023 at 2:16 pm
So Bowles watched the film.
Too bad it was Avatar and not game film.
We won’t even have the number one pick after next year, he’ll screw that up too.
Already prepared for some of the worst football the Bucs have ever played.
But I’m not going to be happy about it. Don’t want to be saying “I told you so”
January 19th, 2023 at 2:17 pm
Special teams coach still being employed is worrisome. Teams have sucked terribly for years, especially under this guy. Get a proven ST coach in here like a Bissachia.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:17 pm
Trade Devin White to someplace that allows him to ride his horses
January 19th, 2023 at 2:22 pm
Hire Greg Roman OC trade Devin White for Trey Lance.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:22 pm
More continuity lost, and Bowles is to be trusted with getting the new crew right? Here comes a ball control offense that is uninspiring and 30 years past its prime. Im sure that will bring fans to the seats. At least the team was watchable when they scored points. You better get Lamar if you are going to play that way.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:23 pm
If Bowles is HC in 2023, he should be on the hot seat from the start. IMHO he is not HC material. As far as replacing Leftwitch I would strongly consider F, Reich, Monken & O’Brien. Actually I would rather have Reich as HC. Knowing how the Bucs operate they will F away another year.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:26 pm
I thought Godwin would’ve been dismissed since he was the run game coordinator.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:34 pm
The coaching staff was absurdly large, anyway. Some trimming was inevitable.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:36 pm
I can only with Bowels then worst as a coach. He failed the team and his assistants by being incompetent. He should have been the first to be fired.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:37 pm
@Rod Munch: Flowers was a disaster in the XFL under Trestman.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:37 pm
Todd Bowles will still be the head coach AND defensive coordinator next year right? So who cares who we fired or who we’re going to hire?
The main problem is staying here. So it doesn’t matter who we hire and who we draft history shows that we are going to suck with Bowles running the show.
Everything else is white noise to me.
January 19th, 2023 at 2:47 pm
And yet, you wrote an article earlier today about Bowles saying it wasn’t just the running backs who were the problem…
January 19th, 2023 at 2:51 pm
I now see the Glazers’ plan!!! They sold out the stadium this year for next year. They keep Bowles as Head Coach knowing he doesn’t have a clue how to do his job properly!!! They keep other coaches that should be replaced. They use Leftwich as the scapegoat for this season (no one will argue that he didn’t play a major role)!!! They trade off some talent for draft picks. They have a 2 or 3 win season. Get more good draft picks. Then rebuild over the next 3 to 10 years. All to the disappointment of the fans!! LFG!!!
January 19th, 2023 at 2:53 pm
Who do they plan on making the next OC now? Captain Fear?
January 19th, 2023 at 3:00 pm
I’d give Shawn Jefferson a serious look at OC. Dude has been coaching since he retired many years ago. Think he’s interviewing with the Patriots.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:03 pm
Count out Bill O’Brien. He’s gone to the Patriots from what I hear. The ownership wants him badly. Brady is retiring or leaving, rebuild starts today.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:12 pm
The coaches wh6o were fired today were the fall guys for the failed Licht – Bowles regime.
Not that they did not deserve to be fired, because they did.
But what about Licht and Bowles ?
IMHO, they all need to go.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:28 pm
“ Not that the line really matters since, with Trask at QB, the team is going 3-14.”
That’s being rather optimistic.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:44 pm
O’Brien interviewed with Pat’s this morning heard they might interview Jefferson as well.
BA diversity push just to a bit hit. He must be rolling over in his cart.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:47 pm
History tells me in 2017 Chan Gailey OC for Todd Bowles new york jets retire leaving the quarterback position in a complete mess. By the way the next two seasons were 5-11 and 4-12. Then he was fired does anyone believe after a 8-10 season with Brady its going to be any different.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:50 pm
Just look at his face in this picture hes got the look of a 2-15 head coach.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:53 pm
The dline sucked can’t get any pressure with just the fro t 4 . Not sure why anyone who be shocked there gone. He’ll Bowles should fire himself while he’s at it.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:53 pm
Hell Bowles should fire himself while he’s at it.
January 19th, 2023 at 3:54 pm
ST coach Armstrong is still employed?
January 19th, 2023 at 4:16 pm
Jack Sparrow Says:
January 19th, 2023 at 1:40 pm
Strength and Conditioning coaches needs to be fired as well. Almost all players, left and right, are getting injured.
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Blame the NFLPA for that one. Off-season work and training camp are so low energy now that players are basically playing themselves into shape over the first few weeks of the season.
January 19th, 2023 at 4:22 pm
Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:
January 19th, 2023 at 3:12 pm
Hmmm, yeah, fire the GM who built the team that won the Superbowl. Great idea.
And firing a head coach after one year is insanity. Lovie Smith deserved that but he’s one of the few. Bowles had so many obstacles this year and did not get to pick his coaches. If you’re gonna hire a coach, you’ve got to at least give him a chance to hire his own coaches. The challenges he faced this year with the Brady drama and the O-line overhaul are enough reason alone to give him another chance.
January 19th, 2023 at 4:33 pm
Harold Goodwin was Arian’s assistant HC. I think he still claims that role along with the run coord. I can see why they want to give Bowles another chance with his “own” team but personally, I think he should have gone along with Lefty for many reasons that most here have reiterated time after time. I am sure no one had the ability to fire Darden nor anyone else besides Bowles, and he waited too long. He also messed up game planning when he was responsible for it MANY times.
January 19th, 2023 at 4:35 pm
My opinion was that Arians was the best coach the Bucs had ever. We lost him this year and it showed. Especially with Brian Leftwich.
To me at least one of the offensive line coaches is outstanding. Transitioning guys like Marpet and Jensen from good to All Pro types.
Correcting Cappa from just a guy to above average guard.
Making Stinnett capable in a playoff run when no other team wanted him.
Now Wirfs is just a freak so most of that goes to Wirfs. Yet, he was not only very good that 1st year but one of the very best tackles in the league his very 1st year means someone on that squad was saying and teaching the right things.
January 19th, 2023 at 5:39 pm
In reality ALL of these coaches and assistant coaches (Lefty included) somehow succeeded with BA, but all of a sudden, NOW they stink. Hmmmmm
January 19th, 2023 at 6:06 pm
BA was definitely what was holding them together. I think they should either go back to BA or start all over with a new coach.
January 19th, 2023 at 6:29 pm
What was last years super bowl champions, the rams record when they had all those injuries this year? Just sayin, a whole lot has to go rite to get to the highest level. With gronk, Cappa, marpet, Jensen all out, the Bucs did pretty good making the playoffs this year! Missing 3 pro bowlers. I toast to 3 years in a row making the tournament. Good job.
January 19th, 2023 at 6:46 pm
The OL has talent if it heals in the off season.
The OL felt one MAJOR assignment. Keep the GOAT safe from injury!
Brady was 26th in the league in being sacked. He was sacked a fraction of other star players like Burrows, Fields and more. I’m sure that was due to TB12’s amazing evasive scrambling ability. *snark font off*
Now if they could feel the same urgency in providing at least a sliver of daylight for Playoff Lennie and White.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:01 pm
Rod … ‘Meanwhile Luke wasn’t good at guard, but looked just fine at his natural position of RT, so maybe you put him back there.’
No way that Luke Goedeke was ready to start at LG in 2022. That’s on the coaches IMO. He played only 2 years at Central Michigan … 2019 (14 games), then sat out 2020 (knee injury), then played in 10 games in 2021. All his games played were on the RIGHT side (tackle). Oh and before transferring to Central Michigan, he was a TE, not an OLineman.
How in heaven’s name could any OLine coach expect someone with that background to START at the Left Guard position as a rookie with the task of protecting an immobile QB like Tom Brady? If he HAD to start, why didn’t they move Shaq Mason over to the left side & at least let Luke start at RIGHT Guard?
January 19th, 2023 at 7:11 pm
Joshua Porter … ‘BA was definitely what was holding them together. ‘
With all the injuries to our OLine & the retirements/other changes, I doubt that this team under BA could’ve done much better than it did. Folks forget that in his 5 seasons at Arizona, he did very well his first 3 years (10-6, 11-5 & 13-3) but then faltered in his next 2 years (7-8-1 and 8-8). If you look at the Cards injury reports for those last 2 years, they had a lot more injuries (especially to key players) than they did in 2013-2015. Defense slid backwards quite a bit in those last 2 years, and the offense joined the slide in 2017.
BA did very well in his first 3 years here too.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:12 pm
Fire Bowles !
January 19th, 2023 at 7:16 pm
stpetebucfan Says:
January 19th, 2023 at 6:46 pm
The OL has talent if it heals in the off season.
The OL felt one MAJOR assignment. Keep the GOAT safe from injury!
Brady was 26th in the league in being sacked. He was sacked a fraction of other star players like Burrows, Fields and more. I’m sure that was due to TB12’s amazing evasive scrambling ability. *snark font off*
Now if they could feel the same urgency in providing at least a sliver of daylight for Playoff Lennie and White.
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Come on man.
Brady was nervous and dumping the ball off quick and in the dirt so many times…. that low sack total is truly misleading.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:20 pm
Well in a way I am glad that expectations should be much lower next season. Losing Brady is not all that. He looked very average all season long. Too many distractions in his personal life? I don’t think that was the problem. Brady was not up to his previous physical standards this past season. Off target throws from the getgo. He played like a senior citizen fearing injury rushing his throws. And seldom looked good throwing deep. You could see Mike Evens disappointment over and over again when Brady over threw and under threw his passes. 45 is not a good age for a pocket passers with aging legs playing with fear of being hit.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:29 pm
Bowels found the Immunity Idol.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:38 pm
Wild Bill, I’m tired of this Brady is the problem narrative. Yeah he looked bad at times this season, but how much of that was a function of a bad line and no nun game. As for Evans, I think it’s the other way around. Evans was constantly quitting on, or running the wrong route entirely. I’m no expert, but trying to be unbiased, I looked at all 18 games with all 22 prospective. Evans was as much a part of the problem as Brady was. The only reliable reciever they had was a hobbled Godwin. Looking back, it’s amazing they finished 8-9
January 19th, 2023 at 7:45 pm
Todd Bowles should’ve beed the first coach the Bucs fired. He stands in the sidelines with no expression like a wallflower. Oh btw, he’s a defensive minded coach. I call B.S. He sucked in his other head coaching job in NY and has sucked in his 2nd with the Bucs. Wake up Bruce.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:46 pm
Todd Bowles should’ve been the first coach the Bucs fired. He stands in the sidelines with no expression like a wallflower. Oh btw, he’s a defensive minded coach. I call B.S. He sucked in his other head coaching job in NY and has sucked in his 2nd with the Bucs. Wake up Bruce.
January 19th, 2023 at 7:51 pm
@Rod Munch: Flowers was better than Lamar Jackson??? Knock it off bro. Lamar won a Heisman for eff’s sake.
January 19th, 2023 at 8:11 pm
Bucks do not have to look for coaches, plenty of them commenting on this article, They’re all experts.
January 19th, 2023 at 8:22 pm
Cobraboy Says:
January 19th, 2023 at 2:37 pm
@Rod Munch: Flowers was a disaster in the XFL under Trestman.
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Yeah, but keep in mind Trestman brought him in as a RB and only played him at QB a series here and a series there, it was a complete cluster on the coaches behalf. Flowers has never had a chance at QB anywhere, even when he signed with the Colts out of college they immediately moved him to RB. My only point is someone should have given him a chance at QB and just seen what happened. I was always surprised the Ravens didn’t grab him for their practice squad – the skill set between Lamar and Flowers is just so similar, you figure that he’d, at worst, be a good practice squad QB project. I mean Flowers is 1,000,000,000,000 x better than that stupid Goat Farmer guy the Bucs had the Hard Knocks season. I still have no idea how that guy ever even got a look in the NFL – he was too slow to run and I legit think I could throw the ball better than he could. Winston calling him a Goat Farmer was a great moment.
January 19th, 2023 at 8:32 pm
Defense Rules Says:
No way that Luke Goedeke was ready to start at LG in 2022.
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Agreed. But, in fairness to Licht, I think the idea was to have Hainsey at guard, or even Stinnie. Luke was very much a project, and I still assume Luke is going to be just fine in the end.
But Licht does love drafting tackles. Hainsey was a tackle, Marpet was a tackle as, Cappa was a tackle, and Luke was a tackle. Generally the move inside is pretty easy, but it takes a year or so to make that move, and Hainsey and Cappa got that redshirt year. Marpet, meanwhile, was a physical freak, and if he came out now he’d easily be a mid-1st at worst – so the Bucs got a steal there. But expecting other mere mortals to be as good as Marpet their rookie years, that’s asking a ton.
January 19th, 2023 at 9:31 pm
Bucs won’t win 6 games next year
BOWLES IS A JOKE
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Lovies Son
January 19th, 2023 at 9:40 pm
Cappa is and was overrated. Mason is the much better player. He largely sucked in Cincinnati and was unavailable by the playoffs. They still can’t run in cinci to save their lives. So glad they didn’t give him that deal.
January 19th, 2023 at 9:43 pm
“this speaks volumes that the Bucs were convinced the offensive line, contrary to what the freakout crowd believes, was not the problem on offense.”
Oh, come on. The offensive line was 100% the issue…but it was because of injuries and losing talent.
January 19th, 2023 at 9:45 pm
Rod, it isn’t asking a ton to draft a serviceable tackle who can play guard. Goedeke was in over his head from jump street. The line was a mess all season. Inept coaching and a bad scheme hung these dudes out to dry.
January 19th, 2023 at 10:53 pm
Why does the terrible ST coach Keith Armstrong still have a job?
January 20th, 2023 at 12:01 am
I did not watch Cincy enough to know if Cappa was good there.
But from sources other than Redeemer he was pretty good there.
The truth of the matter is that Cappa was a good player for the Bucs after his 1st season.
January 20th, 2023 at 2:11 am
Redeemer Says:
January 19th, 2023 at 9:45 pm
Rod, it isn’t asking a ton to draft a serviceable tackle who can play guard. Goedeke was in over his head from jump street.
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Licht has a pretty fantastic record on offensive lineman, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, I agree that the move to guard is one of the easiest, but it doesn’t mean everyone is going to be Marpet or Wirfs and start from day one and be an all-pro. As I pointed out, Cappa and Hainsey both had red shirt years. That’s what good teams do. Hainsey was my pick to end up at guard, then Jensen goes do, you have to move him back to center, then Stinnie goes down, and now you got basically a D2 tackle that you’re expecting to start from day 1 at guard. Not everyone is going to excel, and it is asking a lot to just expect there not to be a drop off from the best line in the NFL.
January 20th, 2023 at 3:08 am
Joe – these 2 things can be true at the same time. 1)The offensive line was bad in 2022. 2)none of us are blaming the Oline coaches for the Oline being bad. So no.. retaining the Oline coach does not speak volumes on how they performed. We all know why they were bad – we were missing Gronk, Marpet, Jensen, Cappa, Stinnie, and D.Smith had his worst year in his career. We had started the first 6 games of the season with Goedeke at LG grading out as the worst guard in the league repeatedly. Cmon man… sometimes youe write stuff without thinking clearly for a minute
January 20th, 2023 at 8:59 am
Truth is it wasn’t just the o line, just Brady, just the loss of Gronk and a weird but outstanding wide out deep threat, just mediocre coaching, just poor offensive planning and play calling. The whole system was a mess and frustrating to watch. And we all knew it after the first 3 or 4 games! We kept hoping that things would settle down and the Bucs would finish strong. But the rot within the whole system dragged on all season. A few very late game come from behind wins gave us hope. False hope as it turned out. The hard truth is the Bucs failed on so many levels their actual record is a very accurate measure of how far they declined. The only bright spot was the defense. They kept the Bucs in the game most of the time but the offense was consistently lousy. Three and out over and over is the kiss of death. Simply put, the Bucs could not score points this season. Even when they did move the ball past mid field, they just could not score like they had the past two years. So yah, I think it’s time to clean house. That includes coaches and a group of over the hill receivers who had long term injuries when they were cut by their other teams and missed more games than they played. The entire offense was a patch work of old, injured and inexperienced linemen, and
receivers and a qb who had lost his touch. Clean house and rebuild the offense!!