Rotating Luke Goedeke And Nick Leverett
October 24th, 2022
Rotating left guard.
Joe has no idea if other teams rotate guards. In fact, Joe hasn’t seen something like this since the Bucs and Dirk Koetter rotated Alex Cappa and Caleb Benenoch and before that Evan Smith and Kevin Pamphile, or before there were headphones in quarterbacks’ helmets so teams would rotate players to communicate plays.
Naturally, that is unnecessary these days.
So when Bucs coach Todd Bowles announced today that Luke Goedeke would keep his starting job but rotate with Nick Leverett, it was a head-scratcher.
“Well, [they are] both very physical,” Bowles said comparing the two. “Both were neck-and-neck going into training camp, going into the season. Obviously, Luke won it out.
“Leverett’s won some playing time so we started getting him some in there. Luke was nicked up a little bit as well, so we got Leverett a little more time. They both fought hard and played hard, and we’ve just got to get better.”
Presumably, the Bucs will keep Goedeke as a starter but work in Leverett more. What spooks Joe is assuming Bucs offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich will have those guys take snaps on plays he believe they can best perform. But that could be telegraphing plays to the defense.
Of course, after the past couple of weeks, Joe isn’t sure that Leftwich has even thought about the possibility of tipping off plays.
Three years ago, Leftwich got upset with Joe when he asked Leftwich if he was tipping pitches because he ran Peyton Barber so often up the middle on first downs and as a result, defenses were expecting these runs.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:07 pm
let’s play musical chairs
October 24th, 2022 at 4:09 pm
Won’t have to worry about it after Thursday
TB & BL will be gone
October 24th, 2022 at 4:10 pm
Luke Goedeke is being relied on, too much for a rookie.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:11 pm
Why don’t we trade for Brian Burns? We need some spark on this team and he could be the match. Go Bucs!
October 24th, 2022 at 4:12 pm
SBLV, after Thursday, just BL will be gone. Not ready to give up on TB just yet…
October 24th, 2022 at 4:12 pm
Leverett – starts. Period. If not, I mean – stupid is as stupid does.
Forrest Gump could coach better.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:15 pm
BL is incompetent. How do you go aganist the Steelers with there whole secondary hurt and run the ball as your strategy for the offense. Then you face Carolina and put up 3 points. Todd Bowles has failed as a head coach. He failed in NFC championship last year. BL has been shielded by Bruce Arians and Brady. Shows now how bad he is.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:16 pm
Joe, How long will this dumpster fire be allowed to keep burning? Will it take 3-7, 3-10, 3-14 before a major move takes place? This is too drastic of a drop off to be a coincidence.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:18 pm
If you could get them both into one uniform they might make a passable left guard.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:39 pm
The stellar coaching & scheming continues. Something is off with Brady too. He finally looks old despite his clean stats. Feels like everything has to be perfect for him to have success. If it were underwear football, and he wore a no contact jersey, I’m sure he would’ve shredded the Panthers. But then again, if my aunt had balls……
October 24th, 2022 at 4:50 pm
Rotating turnstiles? Sounds about right…but not for cohesion and a suddenly skittish 45 year old QB. Goedeke thought because he pushed around mid-major defensive lineman he was gonna “bully” the competition and that he liked being a fake tough guy. Instead he’s getting outwitted, outmaneuvered and at times manhandled.
October 24th, 2022 at 4:50 pm
Stupid is as stupid does.
This is stupid.
Just start N. Leverett for goodness sake…
These coaches are incompetent and the players know it. That is why they circling the drain…
October 24th, 2022 at 4:50 pm
His predictability has been an issue for years and he is just too blind too see it! 8 passing TDs in 7 games with this roster is PATHETIC!!
October 24th, 2022 at 4:53 pm
I feel like I’m at the T Ball field . Oh my Geez next they will have Co def coordinators !!
October 24th, 2022 at 4:54 pm
I am worried about thursday. i can see the wheels of the train going off the tracks and us not winning until christmas day. honestly. ravens havent broken out yet but watch it happen in primetime as they put the dagger in us. i am already getting memories of 2014 (last time baltimore played in tampa) when it was like 21-0 in the blink of an eye and we got absolutely destroyed at home. i couldnt even believe a team could go out to another team and do that so early. ugh
October 24th, 2022 at 4:54 pm
Uh, they are already doing that Joe.
Have you watched the last few weeks? Defenses have known exactly what we’re running… because Leftwich is predictable and his scheme has zero creativity, misdirection or deception in it.
I mean if bums like us fans watching from home know exactly what play is coming up, do you think defensive coaches and players don’t?
October 24th, 2022 at 5:02 pm
I cant wait for Thursday. Either players celebrate a win or explosion of anger between them.
If im licht I’ll sign suh and G erick flowers. And swing a trade for Quinn.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:07 pm
This isn’t baseball. Platoon at left guard is highly unusual. Just start one or the other. Shuffling deck chairs IMO. Agree with Joe about telegraphing. For example, the Patriots used horendous WR pick Harry almost exclusively as a blocker. Teams knew he wasn’t getting the ball, so it was easy to diagnose runs. Btw remember everyone making fun of Bill for drafting Cole strange? He’s performing admirably. Goedeke was over drafted. It was insane to believe he could plug and play for AM.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:19 pm
This is their way of trying not to damage Goedeke’s confidence……rotating instead of replacing….
I don’t see how Byron can tip is plays…..it’s either run over the left with Goedeke or run over the left with Leverette.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:19 pm
Dumpster fires in multiple dumpsters. This cannot be saved.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:19 pm
It should be simple. If Leverett is better, start him and play him the whole game. If he’s not better, find someone who is.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:22 pm
Will JPP play ?
October 24th, 2022 at 5:41 pm
Never know what Blunder Bowles will come up with next.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:48 pm
Stupid Is as Stupid Does.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:52 pm
The gravy train is over.
October 24th, 2022 at 5:59 pm
Baltimore has the FOURTH best rushing offense averaging 156.3 yards per game. Not sure I can watch this Thursday night, it ain’t going to be pretty.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:02 pm
Goedeke is the new trigger word for people here, apparently.
The kid isn’t why the running game isn’t working. Yes, the Bucs had two (2) nice runs when he was out, both were on 2nd down when the Panthers were, I believe, in nickel, and certainly weren’t crowding the line. Those successful runs had nothing to do with Goedeke being out of the game, it was just a rare instance of good playcalling by Leftwich.
This team, Goedeke or not, can not run the ball in obvious run situations. For as good as the offensive line has been, this has been an issue for years now. We have great pass protectors, and even with the rookie in there, the pass protection has been pretty good – in particular considering all the line changes. They’re not dominate, but they’re not bad.
BUT, that’s the thing, the pass protection has been pretty good, the run blocking has been very bad when the other team knows a run is coming.
So, simple solution, stop running the ball in obvious run situations. Tah dah, running game fixed.
I don’t care if we pass 70 times a game, myself, but for those dullards stuck in 1957 that think you must run the ball, we can do it, just not on running downs. There, I fixed the offense. Glazers, I expect a check.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:06 pm
Its going to get worse before it gets better. Have a good retirement Tom.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:07 pm
The team ran the ball well when Leverett was in. He has shown it before, he is competent. Why? Results.
Goedeke produces bad results. The stats prove this.
Let’s stay with Goedeke because……..um………he sucks.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:17 pm
If Bowles and Leftwich could rotate themselves right out of the building that would be great!! I know they’re both physical but they can take turns rotating to the parking Lot!! Hell they can hold hands and rotate if they want too! And people are paying to watch a team coached by these two? Holy Crap
October 24th, 2022 at 6:21 pm
Donovan loves having Goedeke ! All the heat is off DS ! LOL.
Funny , we have all moved a spot over and put all the blame on Goed.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:25 pm
Donny got blown up a few times yesterday.
Everyone played like dog poo
October 24th, 2022 at 6:36 pm
All the Blown draft pics man are killing this team
October 24th, 2022 at 6:42 pm
These coaches are going to get Brady injured. Goedeke is not ready to play and Hainsey should’ve been the guard but for the Jensen injury. They also got Stinnie injured during a meaningless preseason game. Bowles and Leftwich have sunk the ship in an incredibly fast time. Even with such horrible coaching I’m surprised these players are so weak and unmotivated. No heart, no pride. So much for the Brady effect. Back to the dark ages.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:43 pm
Rod, you got me thinking about obvious run downs, so I crunched some numbers. A successful play on first down, is getting half the yards needed for a first down. Second down is is concerned successful if you get 70% of yards needed for a first. On 3rd and 4th down, success is considered a first down or TD.
Passing downs are considered 2nd and 8 or longer, and 3rd and 5 or longer. Teams have about a 30% success rate on passing downs. On non passing downs whether a team throws or runs, the success rate is around 47%. This tells me that the bucs actually aren’t running enough on 2nd down, irrespective of what happened on first down. It’s evidence of how predictable the offense has become. Draws, inside traps and shotgun handoffs on second down would benefit this offense.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:55 pm
Don’t care what they say about Goedeke. Start Nick. Too many rookies and 1st yr players on the Offense starting. Nick was solid against the Panthers. One less thing for Brady to worry about. Run the no huddle and smash the Ravens (or at least keep up with them as they smash our depleted D).
The right side of the OLine is not folding. Start Nick, give Brady confidence, train another backup center (in case Nick gets hurt), eat crow on not starting him after we lost Stinnie and salvage the season. That’s my analysis.
October 24th, 2022 at 6:59 pm
@Rod M.
I’m with you…no huddle, get a lead, let the D hunt THEN run the damn ball. There’s the game plan.
October 24th, 2022 at 7:07 pm
JPP is coming to Tampa, and playing with the Ravens, so you can BET he will be coming for Brady.
So it may not matter what guard they start, because JPP can beat the both of them.
The word is that JPP was asked to play hurt last year, so he did, and we rewarded him by not re signing him.
JPP will be out for Blood, count on it.
October 24th, 2022 at 7:15 pm
JPP has one sack this year, and 5 solo tackles. The Ravens defense is a dumpster fire.
October 24th, 2022 at 7:28 pm
If you have 2 LG’s you don’t have 1.
October 24th, 2022 at 7:33 pm
Mike Evans being investigated by NFL for sideline issue he had with Refs after the game? WTF
October 24th, 2022 at 7:39 pm
Goedeke is a rookie. Under pressure the whole game.
October 24th, 2022 at 7:40 pm
You’re worried about Leftwich tipping off plays? Hahahaha. The whole world knows Lenny will run up the middle on first down. They also know if it’s 3rd and long, Brady will pass to someone who is immediately tackled two yards short of the first down. Then they will punt.
Speaking of punting, maybe the Bucs should tell Darden the end zone is actually the sideline since he seems to make a beeline for it every damn time.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:04 pm
@Dew – apparently 2 of the refs came up to Mike and were asking him for autographs in the tunnel after the game.
Don’t think Mike is in any trouble for it, but the refs are being investigated. AFAIK
October 24th, 2022 at 8:14 pm
I’m trying to housebreak my dog.
…. But these games are not helping.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:15 pm
Are you F’ING kidding me? Is Bowles just grasping at straws now, literally guessing since he clearly doesn’t know what to do.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:35 pm
This is ridiculous and makes no sense. It’s laughable in fact. I had concerns about the competency of coach Bowles. This substantiates said concerns. What head coach is going to go along with this plan? To beat the Bucs the game plan is simple: stop the run because the Bucs have no edge game, no tight ends, and zero game breaking speed. And, keep Succup out of field goal range.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:38 pm
It would be so Bucs for JPP to do a twist inside, blow Goedeke back into his full diaper and put Tom out for the year. It would be so Bucs for Let Daddy Sling It to come in and make some throws. And then lose. And then the 3-14 Bucs have the first overall draft pick.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:44 pm
BL has no idea how to scheme players open, when he finally called a slant on 4th down low and behold they converted.
October 24th, 2022 at 8:49 pm
Joe, Bluster boy Rex Ryan brought a stat that the Bucs are old and slow, they are 31st in the NFL in speed, behind only the Colts.
There is no quick fix for old and slow
BTW just remembered that Kenyatta Walker wore the same #67 that Luke is wearing, lol Maybe a number change lol would help lol
Many here can remember Kenyatta’s weekly struggle to play lol. And the twice yearly rag-dolling by Julius Peppers on Kenyatta.
Again Joe, the Bucs are old and slow. 31st in the NFL is just not good.
GO BUCS!!!!
October 24th, 2022 at 9:04 pm
Without kidding, I think it will help. Anything will help, especially if the offense figures out how to sustain drives.
Currently I don’t see anyone on the offense getting tired, not with such consistent three and outs.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:17 pm
Dumb and Dumber. Neither of these guys are any good. JPP is going to kill us.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:18 pm
This just in – even disgraced Matt Pudriciia shows more intellectual energy at play design and play calling than Boron Leftworstofalltime.
The plays the Bucs run are the same plays they were running three years ago. They had the effect of best OL in the league, best QB of all time and best skill players.
Now they don’t have that. Defenses have seen it all and they are ready for it. But Moron won’t change, he’ll tell his Bowel that it’s all about execution.
Like Dungy used to say, right before he was fired.
Licht basically needs to tell the Bowel and Leftwank, show me the new plays you are implementing that no one has ever seen before. Otherwise I will ask one of the other coaches on our staff to do it so you schlubs can start working on your golf games, art collections, crochet club and cornholing league.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:29 pm
Yes it’s no longer necessary but the legendary Paul Brown who ran “messenger” guards during his Browns dynasty obviously didn’t find it too great a challenge.
If nothing else it will create some genuine depth on the OL.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:32 pm
Cotneylynch – LOL! Actually laughing out loud!
October 24th, 2022 at 9:41 pm
Dew Says:
October 24th, 2022 at 7:33 pm
Mike Evans being investigated by NFL for sideline issue he had with Refs after the game? WTF
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I saw that nonsense earlier, but it’s not Evans being investigated, it’s the ref. From what it sounded like, he gets autographs from stars on every team – but I also only glanced at the story because it was such a non-story.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:44 pm
Rotating a too-raw-to-start-needs 2 years-jury is out anyway rookie with a clumsy JAG who plays like he’s drowning. This is a great solution?
How about: none of the above. Neither guy is good or reliable. Both are mediocre marginal backups, if that. Goedeke needs way more time.
In other words, the position remains a problem in both pass pro and run. Tom is going to keep flinching and dirting the ball fast, because he has no choice until and unless Jensen comes back, and they make some moves.
The “we good” gang’s insistence on questionable in-house JAGs instead of making moves necessary to shore up obvious OL weakness is quickly going to end all hope this season.
That is, if there is even any more hope for p-p-playoffs with Tom Brady.
October 24th, 2022 at 9:55 pm
Bucs fans are chronic masochistoholics. Why? Why do we do it? At least between 1983 and 1995 I could watch about 30 minutes worth, laugh and go do something fun. Or at least drink undestracted This pretending the team is a contender crap is hard on mental health as well as the liver.
Thursday night, Bucs get killed and go to 3-5. There is enough talent on the team that a firing of Bowelswich and a few enemas from the assistant coaches appointed interim coaches.
But it won’t matter. We should all just quit the team for the year, since they so obviously have.
October 24th, 2022 at 10:23 pm
Everybody is an expert after the fact. Most of you geniuses including the ones writing these articles didn’t even play High School. I’m not happy with the play of the team either but I’m not going to act like I know more than Pros.
October 24th, 2022 at 10:25 pm
Cant hate on him, he’s a rook thrown into the fire….I feel for him. And he’s got that warrior look in his eyes….I want and admire that.
Hopefully he stays healthy and gets stronger and allows the experience to help him grow. He’s a good one, I can tell. Just bad timing.
October 24th, 2022 at 10:46 pm
Thanks for the info.
October 24th, 2022 at 10:52 pm
Rotate?
WTH?
Bowels is horrible. Picked up right where he left off as a head coach.
October 25th, 2022 at 4:25 am
OMG IM SO SICK OF THIS MESS OF A TEAM! How about neither of them!!! How about licht get off his lazy a$$ and make some calls to other teams and trade some draft picks for a new left guard. These two are both terrible!!!! Tom brady is fine imo. He hasnt thrown a pick since freakin week 1. The coaching is just awful and lazy man. Enough with the friendship hirings and make the difficult decisions to fire a coach when they arent doing their job the right way. Right now leftwich should 100% be canned for abandoning the no risk it offense for whatever this crap is and licht should have bowles quietly step down on his own and retake the DC job. It would be great to have arians back as head coach or some new youngster with the burning desire to prove himself in this league, and what better way to start that off by coaching the man with the forever burning flame of competition, Tom Brady! Bring some of these guys back from injury and after the ravens game start the season from scratch. All new offensive concept and just coach all the basics all over again. If you have to make them feel like they’re all in first grade again, so be it. That includes tom to!
October 25th, 2022 at 9:43 am
Is there still any question as to Bruce Arians’ involvement in the offense when he was head coach? I think he used the red pen a little more than he confessed.
October 25th, 2022 at 10:03 am
Licht forces draft picks on the field.
He did it with Benenoch and he’s doing it with Darden and Goedeke.
Leverette was playing so well, they HAD to take him out.
He was looking good, so Licht was looking bad, so they put Goedeke back in the game! Lmao.
October 25th, 2022 at 10:05 am
There is only one scenario where rotating guards makes sense and would be a smart thing to do. The rookie is a rookie, and maybe he just gets super winded / tired of being manhandled all game long?
Thus, if we bring in Leverett to spell Luke, Luke can avoid a few ragdolls and be stronger/fresher for our playoff run.
You know, save him for the long haul, kinda like we are doing with Julio?
In some galaxies, this strategy makes perfect sense.