Ian Beckles: Bucs Offense Really Is What It Is (For Now)
September 22nd, 2022
Former Bucs Guard Ian Beckles.
So Week 2 was on the mind of popular local sports radio personality Ian Beckles as he broke down the Bucs’ win over the slimy Saints, and decided to place a Bucs starter in his personal Ring of Hate.
And yes, of course, Joe listened.
Beckles, a former Bucs guard, took to his podcast “In the Trenches” to caution fans that the struggling Bucs offense is what it is for the foreseeable future and to tee off on a defensive player Beckles believes has no business on an NFL field.
“If you want me to sit here and nitpick the Buccaneers for beating the Saints 20-10 in their house, that’s not what I’m going to do,” Beckles said. “I’ve been around here since 1990 and I think I can count on one hand how many times the Buccaneers have beaten them in their house by 10 points.”
“…Let’s be real, OK? Offensively, can anybody say we are playing well offensively? Can anybody put their hands up and say we are playing well offensively? Can anyone put their hands up and say we are playing well defensively? I’m putting my hand up right now. We are playing fantastically on defense.
“Can anyone say we are being challenged defensively? … All we have seen is Dak Prescott with minimal weapons … and Jameis Winston who has become that checkdown guy with minimal weapons without Alvin Kamara. The Buccaneers are a really good defensive team. Congratulations to Todd Bowles.”
Beckles added about the offense, “We look like an offense [where Brady took 11 days off] and we look like an offense missing two offensive linemen and we look like an offense without a tight end. That’s what we look like.”
Mike Evans got slapped around by Beckles for not using his head in the brawl with Marshon Lattimore. Beckles confessed he likely would have slugged someone too, but there are consequences for actions. He seemed more upset that Evans gets more physical with Lattimore after the whistle than before.
“Get physical during the game, don’t get physical” after the play, Beckles said.
Former Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians drew harsh words from Beckles. He blamed Arians for starting the hassle and said Arians is indirectly responsible for Evans getting suspended. Beckles also barked that Arians needs to stay off the sidelines.
The angriest words from Beckles were reserved for outside linebacker Joe Tryon-Shoyinka. Beckles said JTS has entered his hate club that includes famous and favorite Beckles piñatas of the past including Gaines Adams, Barrett Ruud and Gerald McCoy.
“I swear to God I have not seen [JTS make] a good play yet,” Beckles hollered. “I’m not a fan right now, I will just tell you. Not a fan. … Joe Tryon-Shoyinka cannot play football and other teams know it.”
And Beckles had a response for those folks who believe he was wrong and unfair in regularly beating up Adams, Ruud and GMC: Check yo’ sheets!
“Go and look and see what they did when they left,” Beckles said. “Amass it all and see how many tackles they had when they left. Go ahead and check it.”
Other Beckles thoughts:
* On the pass rush, Beckles doesn’t like that the Bucs cannot get heat on a quarterback without “gimmicks.”
* On Sunday’s opponent the Green Bay Packers, including quarterback Aaron Rodgers who he called “greasy:”
“I don’t hate anybody more than the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. I can’t stand Aaron Rodgers, I will be honest with you. … I hope we smash him.”
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:39 am
Hard to argue this… btw JTS always seems there but never makes the play
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:41 am
Don’t always agree with Beckles but he’s correct about Jane Tryon Shoyinka.
BUST. “Runaround Sue”
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:41 am
I will agree that the jury is still out on JTS…..
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:44 am
Not much to disagree with here other than Winston had more than “minimal weapons”. Michael Thomas, Olave, Hill and Jarvis Landry. Without Jones and Godwin, that is a better list of wideouts than Bucs put on field last Sunday.
He is right, JTS hasn’t made any plays.
TIght end is a big issue on the Bucs right now. They need to push the rookie Otton with targets. He has good hands and Brate is running on empty.
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:45 am
Ian is correct.
Jane Tryon Shoyinka should be called “Runaround Sue”.
This guy isn’t a future bust He’s already a bust.
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:51 am
Agree on not using tight ends. Brady has used Brate some in the past.
Maybe Brady should have been practicing with Otten and Ko instead of fighting with his wife.
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:51 am
the voice of 620 makes some good points here…
season is just starting so i don’t want to begin to access jts yet…
but yeah, he’s not exactly lighting it up out there…
he sorta just looks like he’s doing “weird sh!t out there” all the time…
and gets easily removed from plays often…
oh well i don’t think it’s slam joe sho time yet…
hopefully he comes of age this year
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:52 am
I agree JTS gotta do something erthing else beckles can hush
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:53 am
jpp…
still out there…
could still be hungry to prove the naysayers wrong
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:54 am
Since when did getting heat on the QB come with conditions? Gimmicks or not, pressure is pressure. Ian suggests our D can’t win one on one battles unless the opponent is tricked. Who cares? Coaching matters, just ask Dungy & Kiffin.
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:57 am
yeah we have absolutely no tight end receiving game at all…brate seems to be getting even less separation than ever…
maybe all this time off for brady has the offense a bit behind schedule in some way…
maybe is tom taking off wednesdays because:
“wednesday is sunday at carvel”
September 22nd, 2022 at 9:57 am
Beckles is very lucky we are in a market that can only sustain one Sports Radio station as if there was any competent competition he would be out of a job. He’s just not very good at his job, he might be entertaining to casuals but to smart fans he’s just not very well versed in the modern game.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:00 am
also olave and jameis were way out of sync on sunday – and that’s a good thing…
just another rook who has to adjust to the league and his qb – or vice versa
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:01 am
Then he didn’t watch the first half of the Dallas cowboy game because JTS was wreaking havoc and in the backfield quite a bit. He flashed in the Saints game as well but not quite as much. From what I’ve seen, he’s playing pretty well and has made huge improvements from last year
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:03 am
Beckles is such an irrelevant windbag. Not sure why Joe gives the opinions of this douche so much article space. Same goes for Florio – and Peter King….
JTS is credited with 5 tackles and 1/2 a sack through 2 games. He also blew up a play in the backfield that resulted in a big TFL – but got no stats credit for it.
Beckles who himself was a barely adequate OL player and accomplished literally nothing of relevance in this league is in no position to criticize current players.
JTS “cannot play football” eh? We’ll see about that over the next few years Ian.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:03 am
JPP’s last season and JTS start of this season seem to be about the same to me.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:15 am
JTS looks like he has learned to drop into coverage better, and does seem to get better pressure than last year. I’m a known JTS skeptic but wouldn’t be as harsh on him as Beckles is.
Smash Karen Rodgers, I agree.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:19 am
Beckles prefers players that can manhandle others. It’s a reasonable standard. (For example, he adores Tristan Wirfs.)
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:20 am
Not horrible takes, but overall its only two weeks, and with all the injuries the offense is a giant question mark. Every DC would love to get to the QB with a 4 man rush, and few teams can do that. Bowles has a known calling card for dialing up the heat, so yes, GIMMICKS. Plenty of room for improvement for a team that went 2-0 on the road. The games are meant to be played, so the notion of blaming BA or Evans for his suspension in a game not played is lazy and lame. We likely needed someone to act a fool to get past the Saints, and I would trade that win versus a GB win any day of the week.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:29 am
Ian is absolutely correct.
JTS BLOWS OUT LOUD!
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:30 am
Beckles is right. Hasn’t anyone noticed JTS misdiagnosed plays? He simply guesses, and guesses wrong. In terms of pass rush, it boils down to OTs using his speed against him by pushing him to the outside. Have counters ready, JTS.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:32 am
In the Selmon days we could get pressure with 3.
Vea seems to be off. Hicks sucked, and is a waste of money. Would like to see Gholston show up on the sheet some more. These lads have been getting gouged in the run game and that is a concern, but since Hicks sucked so hard, having Nacho in there looks like it will help. His first step is pretty awesome and he seems to know the play before it happens sometimes. Maybe he is the unsung breakout dude we’ve been hoping for.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:32 am
JTS is a waste, said it last year and so far this year nothing this guy does has changed my mind. Too bad we didn’t give JPP another chance this year now that his shoulder is healed.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:33 am
JTS = Broderick Thomas
Same player 30 years later.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:33 am
I am more disappointed with Akiem Hicks than I am JTS… He was one of the more expensive off season additions and we did nothing in the first two games is is now on IR.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:33 am
Would you rather Joe quote lame folks who have zero sources and spout nothing more compelling than “I think the Bucs are great” who maybe have 20 listeners on a 50-watt radio station in which they buy their airtime? Or quote dudes who have a show on a cable access channel that airs at 2 a.m. weeknights competing only with cleaning solutions infomercials and after the show ends they head out to their Winn-Dixie warehouse job?
You do know Joe runs a business here, not a message board?
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:35 am
I recently wrote the same about Eric Currry JTS ….. he is athletic but has no violence ala Keith McCants …… Another guy the coaches a massaging his ego due to athleticism…… His Play Sucks !! As did D White on 1/2 the snaps ……. Example Quite Massaging the Egos and tell them what you expect ………. Develop some inside techniques to go with your outside and stay in your gap a lil longer and tackle lower , quite f ing guessing ….. we know your guessing because your wrong to much !!!!
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:36 am
Sounds like somebody that wants to see 2003 style play 19 years later in 2022. Calling our pre-snap fronts “gimmicks” when the proper charcaterization is innovative, and this is all stuff culminating from experience Bowles has amassed as one of the better defensive minds in all off football and partly why his defensive players adore him the way they do. Tampa 2 was “gimmicky” before the football world decoded it and tried replicating its success the last two decades as well, Ian Beckles should know better.
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:37 am
I’m more disappointed with Akiem Hicks than I am JTS… Two games a few tackles now on IR for at least a month… BOOOOOO!!!!!
September 22nd, 2022 at 10:56 am
Dooley – spot on.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:03 am
Ian makes solid points but I don’t fully agree that the Cowboys offense and the Saints offense were some sort of gimmes to our defense. I’m not sure how his thinking works if he says the defense is playing “fantastically” but starts making excuses for the opponent’s offenses.
Then he looks at our offense and makes no excuses for them lol
Tuff love from a former Buc I suppose.
I’ve always liked his takes on McCoy, Ruud and Adams. His take on JTS is warranted but it’s still early. Hopefully JTS starts to shine more soon!
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:04 am
I might be close to Beckles on the hating Aaron Rodgers.
JTS is getting close and then getting lost in the middle of things. He is young and will get stronger through the season.
All it will take is for one opposing player to lose sight of him and the avalanche will start.
It would help if the center of the D-line got a little more penetration.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:09 am
JTS definitely looks a lot better than Hall. Hall never seems to be in the backfield. JTS has at least been successful getting the QBs off their spots. The sacks will come soon as he learns to diagnose plays faster.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:12 am
Pickgrin Says:
“Beckles is such an irrelevant windbag.”
“Beckles was a barely adequate OL player and accomplished literally nothing of relevance in this league.”
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He was a 9-year starter in the NFL. That is CERTAINLY accomplishing something of relevance in the league.
The 9-years as a starter were for the BUCS, and then he has had a 20+ year career as a talk show host in Tampa Bay. That hardly seems irrelevant, as to his accomplishments HERE at home.
You are certainly entitled to disagree. I happen to disagree with his comments on JTS too, and several others on the board today. I think it is WAYYY TOO EARLY to give up on the kid.
Just baffled by the Ian hate.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:17 am
Beckles prefers players that can manhandle others. It’s a reasonable standard. (For example, he adores Tristan Wirfs.)
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Because this is where games are won or lost Joe. Bucs losing to Rams and Saints prove his point.
This is why Bowles wanted us to play more physical.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:36 am
Just noticed comments were turned OFF on the Cole Beasley thread. That seems kind of rare. I wonder what prompted that.
September 22nd, 2022 at 11:41 am
Have to agree. JTS is starting to look like Gaines Adams.
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:09 pm
But what does Booger think?
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:11 pm
@TampaBayDemon
I think it’s all the political and pseudo-medical driven comments made the Joe’s just say “eff it” and hit the kill switch. It’s funny reading anti-vaxxers perform intellectual gymnastics infusing their political views on science based & time-tested medical advancements. I mean, I’m 36, got chicken pox when I was 8 years old and just had my first child last October. My daughter won’t know what that itchy BS will feel like(ever), because of the advances in medicine via scientific trials that basically obliterated chicken pox as a viral threat to humanity in 28 years(barely a generations time) with a vaccine. Believe what you want, by all means, but as soon as you inject human emotions into science-based fact, you ruin your perception of reality. Think about people who grew up with Polio, Rubella, Mumps, Hep A & B, as prevalent threats in their lifetimes who wished back then for a clear way to avoid contracting any of that stuff.
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:19 pm
Outstanding post, Dooley, and well-said on all counts.
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:26 pm
I thought JTS played well against Dallas.
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:32 pm
I’ve never known anyone who received the polio vaccine catch polio. Can’t say that about the world’s most popular failed clinical trial.
September 22nd, 2022 at 12:45 pm
@D-Rome
You’re under appreciating the amount of time that’s passed between the discovery of polio and the millions of medical professionals who’ve dedicated their careers to refining the vaccine since the 1930’s and comparing it directly to a newer viral outbreak that’s been on the scene for all of 3 years. That’s the intellectual gymnastics I referenced. The polio vaccine has been worked on and refined the last 91 years, you’re comparing that to a vaccine that was created 2 years ago, that’s like comparing a Model-T Ford to a Tesla or even a Hyundai Sonata in term of performance lol didn’t those ford engine need to be manually cranked?
September 22nd, 2022 at 1:05 pm
JTS is an athlete, he’s yet to convince me he’s a football player.
September 22nd, 2022 at 1:32 pm
JTS is a bust so far. He’s game doesn’t translate to anything but flash
September 22nd, 2022 at 1:39 pm
JTS problem is the same one since his rookie year. He’s long and quick and can get upfield in a hurry.. but if anyone gets their hands on him it’s pretty much over. No inside move, no swim, no way to shed the block. He does r seem to have particularly good bend when he goes around outside either. Tends to get fairly upright
September 22nd, 2022 at 3:10 pm
Tampa Bay Demon –
Beckles never received an All Pro or Pro Bowl vote and never played in a playoff game. That equals “nothing of RELEVANCE” regarding his NFL career.
Granted – he did HAVE an NFL career – a fairly long one at 9 years (last 2 years of which were with the Eagles btw) – but if you are old enough to have watched him play those 7 years in orange – then you already know he wasn’t all that great as a player.
Certainly not good enough to be such a vocal and repeating critic of multiple Buccaneer 1st rd picks over the years.
Truth be told – I just don’t like the guy based largely on his next job as a 2nd rate radio “personality”. Used to listen to Ron and Ian years ago but never for long because they both seemed more interested in objectifying younger women than talking about football or anything interesting – which always came across as feeble attempts by a couple of older pervs trying to cling desperately to their own quickly dissolving losses of manhood…
Its not “hate” – just dislike.
When Beckles starts saying stupid ish like “Joe Tryon-Shoyinka cannot play football” – then he opens himself up to similar criticism.
September 22nd, 2022 at 3:23 pm
Thats one full of hate canadian
September 22nd, 2022 at 3:33 pm
This GB game will be a mess on offense, I believe, but I think the offense should be back for the KC game – because I doubt the defense will be able to hold up if the offense isn’t helping, so about half way through that KC game I expect we’ll start to see things finally open up.
Then, after that, I believe we have the Panthers, and that should be a 400 yard, 4 TD type of day for Brady, then he should be on a roll for the rest of the season.
September 22nd, 2022 at 4:24 pm
Beckles is right about JTS, but even the coaches have said that he’s still raw. Right now he seems like a domestic cat that doesn’t know what to do with a mouse once he catches it. We’ve had sooooooo many players like him come here and tease us with their potential, but just never become good players. Hopefully he’s not the latest one.
September 22nd, 2022 at 4:34 pm
Pickgrin,
“then you already know he wasn’t all that great as a player.
Certainly not good enough to be such a vocal and repeating critic of multiple Buccaneer 1st rd picks over the years.”
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Yes I definitely watched him play, and I disagree with your assessment that being a 7-9 year starter in the NFL basically means nothing.
These last statements (shown above) though (no offense, personally) really seem silly to me, man. Some of the best analysts, scouts, coaches are people that never even got past high school football, let alone to be someone that played IN THE TRENCHES for 9 seasons in the NFL.
September 22nd, 2022 at 5:23 pm
Demon – its mostly just shots back at Beckles for talking ish prematurely about our 1st rd pick from last year…..
He’s done it for years – its part of his schtick – So I should know not to get triggered… LOL And Joe as he said above is a smart enough business owner to provide me regular opportunities to get triggered by this opinionated “local personality”….
OK – Yes – his NFL career had relevance and he was a decent player.
Poor schmo played for bad teams his whole career though. Bucs (90-96) and Eagles (97-98) were all bad teams which turned into contenders as soon as Beckles departed.
September 22nd, 2022 at 5:32 pm
“Think about people who grew up with Polio, Rubella, Mumps, Hep A & B, as prevalent threats in their lifetimes who wished back then for a clear way to avoid contracting any of that stuff.”
What do those vaccines have to do with a covid vaccine that doesn’t prevent spread or prevent people from catching covid?