Robert Hainsey “Needs Time”
August 12th, 2022
Offensive line chatter.
Though Bucs coach Todd Bowles tries to reassure fans if the team turns to backup center Robert Hainsey to start the season for Pro Bowl center Ryan Jensen — when is the last time you heard of a guy needing over two weeks for swelling to recede on an injured knee before a full diagnosis can be made? — many fans are likely missing Bowles’ main message.
After practice yesterday, Bowles delivered a message to Bucs fans, and perhaps his team, that if the Bucs need to turn to Hainsey, all will be right in the football world.
“He just needs … time,” Bowles said. “He’s behind a great player, so he just needs .. time. He’s very smart, he’s very tough and he works hard. He just needs time. He’s going to be fine.”
Joe has a hunch fans are not going to notice Bowles’ final sentence: “He’s going to be fine.”
Most are looking or hearing his first couple of sentences basically saying Hainsey is green as grass.
The way Joe sees it, if Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht thinks Hainsey can handle the job and Bowles thinks he can handle the job, and offensive line coaches Harold Goodwin and Joe Gilbert think Hainsey will be OK, then who is Joe suggest otherwise? Those guys have massive street cred built up the past couple of years.
As far as the Bucs’ offensive line as a whole, Bowles seems to enjoy seeing them practice with an edge against the Dolphins.
“I thought they were physical,” Bowles said. “I thought they did a good job getting on guys, putting bodies on bodies and pushing the line of scrimmage a little bit there. We tried to work on some things in the run game [Thursday]. I thought they executed well.”
And for your Friday evening dining and dancing pleasure, just in case this slipped past you, here and here are some clips of Luke Goedeke adult video blocking.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:05 pm
Great run blocking videos Joe. That first one caught my attention not because of Hainsey or Goedeke, but because of #74, Fred Johnson. He got to the 2nd level like lightning, then did a number on Miami’s #32 (a DB). Can’t imagine being a DB and seeing a 6’7″ 326 lb behemoth bearing down on me.
And yes, Goedeke does look like he plays with attitude. He’ll be fine in the passing game in time. Coaches will see to that.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:17 pm
Every player who just steps into a starting role needs time in that role to be a complete player……not concerned……but I am concerned about depth….we lost a big piece of our oline and are using depth to replace it….so we need to replace the depth.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:24 pm
Which means he is not fine right now.
Everything else is predictions
August 12th, 2022 at 4:33 pm
Goedeke looks stiff and un athletic like Cappa.
He also looks tall and thin like Cappa.
He was a tackle, not a guard.
Hainsey was a tackle not a center.
I am not happy about this.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:34 pm
Teacher:
Ali Marpet was a tackle too. In Division-III.
Seem to recall Alex Cappa was a tackle as well. In Division-II.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:35 pm
Nice spin job. Notice the coaches keep emphasizing the run blocking. The pass blocking is still a mess. This is a pass first offense and we have an advanced age QB who has happens to be the GOAT, and the most important piece if we have SB aspirations. Keeping 12 upright is the biggest priority. That OL got absolutely worked against the Dolphins during the first scrimmage. This was observed by outsiders. It’s nice to get another view than the endless propaganda being spit out by the org and some local beat writers. Brady was witnessed by many observers as being frustrated by the line play. He even went over to voice his frustrations to BA. We need to be honest about our weak interior OL.
Bowles also said they tried run drills on Thursday and they executed pretty well. Joe’s practice notes said they tried running inside multiple times with no luck. Hainsey needs time, but at what cost?
August 12th, 2022 at 4:35 pm
Hainsey will work out. He was a tackle at Notre dame. Meaning he just had to run block a lot. Which means he didn’t need a whole lot of lateral movement compared to other programs. Translates great to center tbh.
August 12th, 2022 at 4:37 pm
But Ali Marpet was a TE in high school.
He was very athletic. And he put up freakish numbers at the combine.
Engram is “turning heads” up in Minnesota.
https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/08/rookie-ed-ingram-beginning-turn-heads-training-camp/
August 12th, 2022 at 5:01 pm
Yah. I read that differently then the joes. Some day in the future he will be fine cause he isnt there today…with just a few weeks to go.
Look how he talks about other players including young players like cade otton. Different tone.
And what makes it worse is being next to our new left guard who will be one of 4 guys cause one guy is not rising to the top : walton / leverette / goedeke/ stinnie. Big problemo.
You wonder if jensen is getting second opinion to see if he can play on a partially torn something without making worse. I mean more
Tests after swelling clearly down? Again probably not ready to go week 1 but months from now. The dude is a warrior. Dont forget that eagles game where wirfs went down. Jensen went off the field in tears after he got rolled. Went into the tent. Prolly got a shot and came back and played. And played against rams prolly in miserable pain. Jensen is that dude you want in your fox hole
August 12th, 2022 at 5:16 pm
This is…not good.
August 12th, 2022 at 5:26 pm
Jensen just twisted his knee he will be back in week 3 or 4.
August 12th, 2022 at 5:42 pm
Was that Goedeke, or friggin Frankenstien?
August 12th, 2022 at 7:22 pm
Teacherman, I don’t think you realize how many starting NFL guards played tackle in college. College coaches generally put their best offensive lineman at tackle. Licht’s track record speaks for itself.
August 12th, 2022 at 7:35 pm
Marshall Yanda, Brandon Scherff, Zach Martin, Joel Bitonio are all college tackles that became all pro guards. That’s just off the top of my head.
August 12th, 2022 at 8:04 pm
teacherman777 Says:
August 12th, 2022 at 4:37 pm
Engram is “turning heads” up in Minnesota.
And also, Wirfs is an All Pro while Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, and Mekhi Becton have been just guys. Willing to give this offensive line coaching staff the benefit of the doubt.
August 12th, 2022 at 8:06 pm
teacherman777 Says:
May 27th, 2020 at 3:15 am
We need a RG who can get low and open lanes!!
Cappa is 6-6 and his center of gravity is too high!
We need a RG who has a thick lower body. Cappa can’t move DTs alone!
Please re-watch the season! Every snap!
We cant win a Super Bowl with Cappa!
August 12th, 2022 at 8:24 pm
In the senior bowl, Hainsey had a bunch of snaps at center. No it’s not the NFL, but from all accounts, he impressed the coaches. Of course he needs time and snaps. How the hell else are they supposed to get him ready. He’s a smart kid, and a tireless worker. Yes, Jensen is elite, but Hainsey is no scrub.
August 12th, 2022 at 8:32 pm
geno,
Your comment about a shorter guard is on point. We signed Shaq Mason, a stout dude who is known to be a road-grader in the run game, and decent/good at pass pro. It’s the center of gravity…that’s why got Mason. This is why I think Hainsey will be good at C. L guard position, not so sure just yet.
August 12th, 2022 at 9:55 pm
Time is what an ordinary team with an ordinary operational window might have.
Time is exactly what Tom Brady does not have.
If the goal is to win a SB with Tom Brady, this season, his likely last one, then they absolutely cannot afford to groom rookies during the season and “see what happens”.
This is it. These killer games, versus the top playoff teams of last season, and then, if they survive that gauntlet, p-p-playoffs!?
I am for the kind of all-in with Tom Brady that the Bucs org clearly is not. The roster is decent, but not good enough to overcome what’s coming.
August 12th, 2022 at 10:00 pm
Bad news, Nick Harris, the starting Center for Cleveland suffered a knee injury. If it proves serious (he was carted off) the Browns will likely re-sign JC Tretter.
August 12th, 2022 at 11:02 pm
@ steele I totally agree. It seems like the Bucs aren’t really all in. They have one foot in the water. What is the point bringing in Julio if you’re not gonna give your QB enough to throw. As i said, it’s coaching malpractice to go into this season with this patchwork offense. Brady has been in the league for 23 damn years everyone knows interior rush really bothers him. No QB really likes interior pressure, but that’s Brady’s kryptonite. This offense loves long developing patterns. Brady needs to time to throw. Teams are gonna be able to get pressure with 4 and play coverage. Honestly, some of the local beat writers are boarding on Baghdad Bob with these rosy reports of the OL.
August 12th, 2022 at 11:20 pm
This staff has done a lot of good work on the OLine. Our scouts have been excellent at finding talent as well.
So yeah Im with Joe. Licht and his staff absolutely get the benefit of the doubt. They clearly have shown they know how to evaluate and coach up OL.
Sometimes its better to just trust your team will figure it out. This is one of those times.
August 12th, 2022 at 11:26 pm
Umm guys last time I checked resigning Jensen was an all in move. Who do you expect the backup Center to be for a team thats all in? A probowler backing up a probowler?
We won a danged SB with a rookie Tackle and a backup guard.
August 13th, 2022 at 12:26 am
No, I don’t think the front office us all-in either. My guess is that it’s ownership rather than the GM. Sure, Hainsey “might” be a good Center someday, and who knows, in time Goedeke might prove adequate at LG as well. But as much praise as they’ve received for run blocking, they were manhandled on pass protection by Miami. That “someday” isn’t now, and not likely this season.
There’s plenty of money. Ownership forced season ticket holders to commit to a 2 year contract knowing full well that this is Brady’s last season. They also increased seating which will result in another $10 million in gross revenue. Yet there’s been no contract restructuring, nor any movement to fortify the Center position, even though a quality starter remains on the free market. On D, no Trey Flowers who would give flexibility, depth, and quality at the edge.
August 13th, 2022 at 2:00 am
Brady better be getting work outside with Hainsey if he not going to practice.
August 13th, 2022 at 4:49 am
@Soebuc Brady cannot help Hainey block better. Don’t put that responsibility on Tom. Tom already handles the protection calls on the line. That in itself takes so much weight off Hainesy’s plate. Most centers in the league handle the protection calls. Tom is one of the few QBs who sets the protection. Its been that way since his time in NE. Hainsey and the rest of the line can work on getting better at pass protection during practice. In no way is that Tom’s job. That’s the job of the OL coaches Joe Gilbert and Harold Goodwin. Great guys, but in no way are they Mike Munchack. I have little faith in them, and the fact that they crowned Hainsey the starter at C with no real vet com tells me something. Hainsey was in position to compete for the LG spot before Jensen got injured. Maybe LG is his best position. Bring a vet C to compete.
I hate the Pats, but Do Your Job is a great motto. It’s time for the OL and coach to start carrying the weight.Tom cannot do everyone’s job. Brady once said his favorite teammates are the ones he has to worry about the least. Passing Thru is correct. The OL is Licht’s baby. He’s gonna roll with “his guys.”This is not a SB or bust team. The team has once again reverted back to its loser mentality. We are just happy to compete and hopefully win the division. We aren’t serious about winning the SB. Bowles finally admits it.
I’ve been a season ticket holder for over twenty years. Tom is the Glazer’s cash cow and theyre gonna milk his brand for every drop. I bet the Glazers reassured Tom that the team was really all in. Maybe that message didn’t trickle down to the coach and GM. Yes, we acquired some skillplyers, but the OL was a big reason we won the SB. Having great skill players with a patchwork offensive line is useless. Ask Patty Mahomes how that worked out for him in the SB.
August 13th, 2022 at 11:17 am
Another injury to the OL will be fatal without additional depth. JL knows this. Hopefully the Bucs stay healthy and Licht can get Tretter on a cap friendly deal.
Also, Suh.
August 13th, 2022 at 1:20 pm
Bucsfan13…Are you gonna tell me that Brady’s second year center doesn’t need to establish communication? Not to mention the other two IOL.
August 13th, 2022 at 2:52 pm
@SOEbuc
This is very atypical of Brady, something is going in his personal life. While it would help for Brady to be around, it’s now a given that he won’t be for the next 10 days or so.
Brady makes like easier for Centers. As Bucsfan13 pointed out, he is one of the very few QBs that calls his own pass protection. That chore is almost universally assigned to the Center, so that will be a tremendous help to Hainsey. What Brady cannot do is coach Hainsey into blocking for pass protection. It’s depressing to watch videos of Hainsey being feisty, but not being productive with his primary duty, which should be pass protection. It’s all glitz, little substance. Even worse the coach is talking up Hainsey’s ability to push the line of scrimmage, which coincides with all of those between the tackles runs during practice. They’re working on run blocking, which just seems weird given the importance and current inadequacy of the pass protection by the interior offensive line.
August 13th, 2022 at 3:46 pm
Sick and tired of everybody chopping down the bucs. They are a good team and will be there at the end. If you got something bad to say about the bucs go say them on another soundboard and leave. Not wanted here. I believe in everybody associated with the bucs. Go bucs!!!!!!