Logan Hall A “Must-See”
August 6th, 2022
Rookie expectations.
Joe knows Bucs types were really, really giddy that Logan Hall dropped down to the first pick of second round where the Bucs grabbed him.
Bucs officials believe he could have a significant impact before all is said and done this season.
Josh Edwards of CBS Sports is a big Hall fan as well. And in typing a list of the top must-see rookies, Edwards included Hall.
Hall has a unique frame that should allow him to be used inside and outside depending upon the situation. Tampa Bay is loaded in the front seven so there will be no pressure for the rookie to contribute early. At the same time, it is easy to envision Vita Vea eating up blockers down the line and allowing Hall to loop around and create pressure. Center Ryan Jensen is on record as saying Hall is “the real deal.” …
Joe understands why Edwards would say the Bucs are “loaded” in the front-7 but Joe believes that is a little bit of hyperbole.
Yeah, the tackles are excellent, with excellent inside linebackers and one damn good outside linebacker. If Joe Tryon-Shoyinka can flip the switch this year, then yeah, look the eff out.
If JTS does come through, then Joe doesn’t believe the 2022 expectations on Hall will be that high, which will make his transition to the NFL much smoother and with less pressure.
So long as Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett, Lavonte David, Devin White, Vita Vea and Akiem Hicks are playing well, that should allow Hall (and JTS some room to operate) and without much attention from offenses.
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August 6th, 2022 at 8:09 am
Keep them fresh in September and October. Rotate. Rotate. Rotate.
August 6th, 2022 at 8:17 am
Hicks will provide pressure from inside that Suh never did, so I am very excited about our defense this year!
And, like Joe said, IF JTS can flip the switch this year, look the fuk out!
Both JPP and Suh were old, and not the players they once were.
IMHO, we were wise not to resign them.
August 6th, 2022 at 8:22 am
We aren’t finished with our roster yet…….we’ve got some cap space and may create even more if Succop is replaced.
Id like to see us bring in a top edge rusher……hopefully, we will be OK at center….
We could use another couple of WRs…(sarcasm)
August 6th, 2022 at 8:25 am
We’ll between JTS and Nelson I think we are loaded… but if injuries come around again look out
August 6th, 2022 at 8:30 am
Really excited to see what the D-Line is going to do this year. Nothing better than watching a wicked pass rush get after the QB!
August 6th, 2022 at 8:44 am
Our front 7 is as good as it gets. Our entire defense is loaded and a lot deeper than people realize. Definitely should be a top 5 overall unit!
August 6th, 2022 at 9:04 am
Gotta love training camp’s unbridled optimism. I think they should just hand us the Lombardi now and avoid all the angst that normally comes with actually playing the games. Surely we deserve it. (TBBF, tell me again how I turn off this sarcasm font).
August 6th, 2022 at 9:21 am
LOL @DR, yeah, Josh Edwards lost me when he said “…Tampa Bay is loaded in the front seven…”. How on earth is that???
Sure, I like the “potential” of our additions/changes in Hicks, Hall, the “hope” of JTS having a huge 2nd year jump. But the last time I went to the bank to deposit “potential”, they laughed at me.
And what about depth? Vita and Hicks are injury prone – who comes in when they are sitting out? Hall “looks” like a beast, but he IS A ROOKIE, even though he has a lot of “potential”. I like the “potential” of JTS, but it is only that, “potential”. Trask has “potential” too, he should push Brady for starting time (sarcasm button is stuck). MLB appears to be lacking depth.
Ok, I also recognize Licht is not close to being finished adding pieces to the puzzle (I hope and pray). The front 7 might be super bowl bound, but the depth scares me.
August 6th, 2022 at 9:21 am
Suh. Depth. Flowers.
August 6th, 2022 at 9:30 am
The Bucs defense should be improved this year barring injuries. Lack of depth is the main issues. Same for the Oline. Same for QB. Trade some of the extra receivers for backups elsewhere?
August 6th, 2022 at 9:32 am
Everyone forgets about Anthony Nelson who quietly had a breakout year. He should be good for at least another 5 sacks.
August 6th, 2022 at 10:17 am
AlabamaBucsFab … For some reason Anthony Nelson reminds me of Carl Nassib in terms of his ‘progress’. They’re both almost the exact same size (Nassib: 6’7″ & 275 lbs and Nelson: 6’7″ & 271 lbs). Their first 3 years were very similar.
Nassib was drafted in 2016 by Cleveland & got 5.5 sacks, 15 QB Hits & 11 TFLs with them in 2 yrs. Did much better when he came to us in 2018, getting 6.5 sacks, 14 QB Hits & 12 TFLs in almost 600 def snaps. Did about the same in 2019 in Todd Bowles’ 3-4 defense, getting 6 sacks, 11 QB Hits & 8 TFLs in 630 def snaps. But then the Raiders came a’callin and he hasn’t done much at all in his 2 years there (4 sacks, 13 QB Hits & 8 TFLS total over 2 years). Last year in particular he was literally a non-factor for the Raiders (only got 250 def snaps). Shoulda stayed a Buc.
Nelson’s got 3 yrs with us already. As a rookie in 2019, he got very little playing time (153 def snaps) and produced 0 sacks, 0 QB Hits & 0 TFLs. Did a little better in 2020 when he got 1 sack, 7 QB Hits & 2 TFLs in 322 def snaps. Then he took off in 2021 with 5 sacks, 10 QB Hits & 7 TFLs in 358 def snaps (that’s excellent production in those few snaps IMO). He’ll most likely get more snaps this year, and I think his production will go up, but with Shaq, JTS & Hall in there I have trouble seeing him doubling his production.
August 6th, 2022 at 10:36 am
How’s goholston look hesva linch pin now on the Def line..the oldest vet
August 6th, 2022 at 10:39 am
^^ Hall’s presence has no bearing on Nelson’s snaps. Different positions. Hall in a down DL, not an edge/OLB. Not that he couldn’t do some of that, but no evidence that’s in the plan.
August 6th, 2022 at 11:28 am
Nacho/O’Connor spell Vita and we have Hall & Gholston to spell Hicks. Nelson can spell Barrett or JTS and there’s 5 OLBS vying for that 4th OLB spot between Gill, Ponder, Young, Ozougwu, & Anthony. That’s the depth on our DL in a nutshell, the starting jobs are locked up the only thing thats in question is how they perform and how good can the guys behind them be. Senat, Previlion, Green, & Potoa’e are all also trying to earn jobs as back ups of back ups. That’s the depth. Really not much space to add anybody without thoroughly evaluating who we’ve already got.
August 6th, 2022 at 11:51 am
As much as I want Suh back, think he may be asking way too much at this point. There was an article about how the Vikings want him but they only have $8 million in cap space. So wondering if Suh has priced himself out of the market? The only way Suh gets signed is if he is willing to take a big pay cut.
August 6th, 2022 at 12:53 pm
Sasquatch … ‘Hall’s presence has no bearing on Nelson’s snaps’.
You might be right; tough to tell. Todd Bowles hybrid 3-4 uses DLinemen all over the place from what I’ve seen. Personally think that Hall will be used very much like Bowles used JPP as opposed to how he used Suh. JPP played inside some, played some OLB, but I think he played more DE than anything else. He was especially good at sealing the edges & ‘playing tall’ (actually had quite a few PDs for a DE/OLB).
Bucs are listing Hall at 6’6″ & 283 lbs, roughly the same size as JPP (6’5″ & 275 lbs). I’ll be really impressed with Logan if he gets a whole bunch of def snaps inside at that weight as a rookie. Just got a hunch that he’ll be used more like JPP until he ‘grows’ & packs on more muscle (kinda like what JTS has gone through?).
August 6th, 2022 at 1:32 pm
I can’t imagine playing football in Tampa and wanting all that hair that a lot of these guys have.
August 6th, 2022 at 1:42 pm
I think Bowles plans to use Hall more like Calais Campbell than either JPP or Suh.
Why pigeon-hole Bowles to just the way he used two players (JPP and Suh) on the Bucs. I would rather look at the full extent of Bowles coaching career. Hall’s body type seems more Campbell than JPP or Suh.
Further, the Bucs have said at every step (draft day, minicamp, training camp) that the consider Hall more a tackle than an OLB, DE. So not seeing why the constant push to say that he is replacing JPP.
August 6th, 2022 at 3:02 pm
@Geno711
Exactly